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Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:58 pm
by nutella
iaafr wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:55 pm wait from hallys claim pov lc is confirmed town because she cant redirect maf to maf?

thats a thing right
yeah and that part of it does kinda rub me oddly tbh

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:58 pm
by Amy
point in lc's favor, tho: proto getting a no visit result

lends credence to the vest being real, at least

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:59 pm
by Timsup2nothin
FWIW I have an idea why Radishes would want to just shoot LC without needing any redirection, but it involves my kind of wolfing so no one is likely to believe it.

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:59 pm
by iaafr
ok well

idk ive just been kind of assuming it cant be dizzy for questionable reasons

maybe i shouldnt have liked protos catchup that much??? him buying my claim was silly? but ultimately nai

idk

but yeah linki edit protos claim seemed very very real to me, from how he handled it

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:59 pm
by Benson
Also, lol that 3 different players claimed actions on LC specifically.

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:00 pm
by Amy
[mention]Hally[/mention] walk me through why you chose the specific targets you chose n1 when you get the chance

apologies if you've already done this

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:00 pm
by iaafr
nutella wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:58 pm
iaafr wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:55 pm wait from hallys claim pov lc is confirmed town because she cant redirect maf to maf?

thats a thing right
yeah and that part of it does kinda rub me oddly tbh
honestly it strikes me as more likely real than not because

its not an intuitive thing to make up at all, yet it kind of makes sense for balance purposes...? turns a maf-on-maf kill to simply a check?

[mention]Hally[/mention] do you know what would have resulted if you did successfully redirect from maf to maf?

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:01 pm
by iaafr
meh maybe its colin after all?

heres hopin

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:02 pm
by Amy
honestly the biggest sticking point for me is "why would radishes carry the kill as scum"

that strikes me as off.

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:02 pm
by iaafr
nutella wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:35 am
iaafr wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:32 am
nutella wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:25 am
iaafr wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:13 am btw i love all the fear i get for all the being hedgy/wrong and infinite flipflopping like "wow what a nice meta to have if youre wolf you can just remove anybody from locktown and tunnel your own townreads and its in your townrange"

and then when i actually roll wolf im like frozen and my reads are static and i cant even use my own flipflop meta properly
i mean part of why i'm paranoid of you here is that...you haven't been doing the flipflop thing as dramatically as usual imo and it just kinda feels like you're struggling a bit to emulate it

and especially the way you stayed tunneled on amy for much longer than was merited imo was triggering
would u believe me if i say i flip flopped far more on amy than i posted about and sometimes im fine maintaining a sus i dont necessarily have just to keep it in the collective consciousness esp if it doesnt seem to bother the person?
i would believe you but i wouldn't think you are town






......seriously this is very not a town iaafr post wtf dude
oh yea i didnt get to respond to this earlier because my soapbox broke

thats a super town iaafr post tbh apparently you just dont know the b r e a d t h of my r a n g e

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:04 pm
by Timsup2nothin
iaafr wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:01 pm meh maybe its colin after all?

heres hopin
I'm in hoping that Tutuu welcomes the dawn alive and well and once again just says "okay guys, there's your wolf" so we can just turbo the last of them, declare Tutuu greatest of GOATs, and take the win. I am not too proud to say "mech and perfect storm and good jon ny Tutuu" and chalk it up.

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:06 pm
by nutella
iaafr wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:01 pm meh maybe its colin after all?

heres hopin
maybe. I think I should just let occam steer me on that one. I really wanted to soul read colin on tone (and on the LC track claim) but he's generally been in the background and I remember someone pointing out that he looked bad from bob spew (bob made a null read on him or something)

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:07 pm
by Timsup2nothin
Plot twist: This was not the last hour of night, we all broke post cap, everyone gets modkilled.

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:07 pm
by iaafr
Timsup2nothin wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:07 pm Plot twist: This was not the last hour of night, we all broke post cap, everyone gets modkilled.
yaaassssssssss

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:07 pm
by Benson
Colin does seem really likely when you believe proto's claim (which I do as well) and you consider how many tracking actions the town would have in the scenario Colin is town. Just far fetched.

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:08 pm
by WerewolfHunter
Timsup2nothin wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:07 pm Plot twist: This was not the last hour of night, we all broke post cap, everyone gets modkilled.
I'm just assuming he's a little late

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:08 pm
by nutella
Amy wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:02 pm honestly the biggest sticking point for me is "why would radishes carry the kill as scum"

that strikes me as off.
nah I don't have an issue with that at all? like I know theres been some varying opinions on this in like the meta of the current champs setup and stuff but if the wolves had any suspicion there was a tracker, which seems a reasonable assumption to make, why not just have radish do it bc he was like essentially outed and always dying next

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:08 pm
by iaafr
nutella wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:57 pm @protocultures I believe your claim and will not be voting for you tomorrow. However your tinfoil of hally makes zero sense and is really just annoying at this point where we have a clear direction on where to go next. Your last post that I think hally didn't see to respond to before running out of posts just doesn't make any sense. Radish was Hally's top suspect, I don't understand what you're missing there. He was the obvious target. And I think part of why they cleared me was also just how hard I went after radish, in addition to the mech clear stuff which really makes sense if you just think about it logically.

Chill with the tinfoil. We have this shit locked down. We're not using a fucking cop on a mech clear townie when we can use it on a poe target. WWH and Colin are priority POE. We start there. I don't really think it's Colin, and I've gone back and forth on whether WWH is TWTBAW or just a losing wolf. But if it's not in them, and not dizzy (or you but I believe your claim is legit), I really really think there is a wolf in iaafr/tim.


My personal order of likelihood is wwh > iaafr > tim > colin > dizzy



Also @Benson yes it is common for the wolf who is carrying kp to also be able to use a different ability. Sometimes hosts make them forgo their other ability when they're doing the kill but I think being able to do both is more common and more what I'd expect in this game.
i mean honestly your perspective here is fine and i liked that you liked protos claim

i am just terrified your poe is 5 town

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:09 pm
by Benson
I'm hoping to get killed tbh. If I die now, I can say I was right all along if some of my tinfoil was right without having to make any of the decisions. If not, I'll just say I was meming to get things interesting. I'm playing both sides so I always come out on top.

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:09 pm
by iaafr
but yea colin seems like occams razor ezworld atp

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:10 pm
by Amy
apology for poor english

where were you when teaspoon dies

i was sat at home doing job when fred ring

'tsp is die'

'no'

and you????????

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:11 pm
by nutella
Benson wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:09 pm I'm hoping to get killed tbh. If I die now, I can say I was right all along if some of my tinfoil was right without having to make any of the decisions. If not, I'll just say I was meming to get things interesting. I'm playing both sides so I always come out on top.
dude stop saying weird shit now i have to tinfoil you too

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:11 pm
by iaafr
i mean tracker claim is kind of an autoloss claim but

well i cleared nic cage in marblelympics for not playing himself out of the vig shot poe on d6 when he was literally trying to lolcat (with literal lolcats with cage faces shopped on)

so maybe i shouldnt clear him for that

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:11 pm
by iaafr
nutella wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:11 pm
Benson wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:09 pm I'm hoping to get killed tbh. If I die now, I can say I was right all along if some of my tinfoil was right without having to make any of the decisions. If not, I'll just say I was meming to get things interesting. I'm playing both sides so I always come out on top.
dude stop saying weird shit now i have to tinfoil you too
as somebody who thinks like benson

thats a standard town post tbh

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:12 pm
by Amy
iaafr wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:11 pm i mean tracker claim is kind of an autoloss claim but

well i cleared nic cage in marblelympics for not playing himself out of the vig shot poe on d6 when he was literally trying to lolcat (with literal lolcats with cage faces shopped on)

so maybe i shouldnt clear him for that
who, colin?

yeah i refuse to FA defense the claim, we're gonna play this by the book

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:14 pm
by Timsup2nothin
iaafr wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:11 pm
nutella wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:11 pm
Benson wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:09 pm I'm hoping to get killed tbh. If I die now, I can say I was right all along if some of my tinfoil was right without having to make any of the decisions. If not, I'll just say I was meming to get things interesting. I'm playing both sides so I always come out on top.
dude stop saying weird shit now i have to tinfoil you too
as somebody who thinks like benson

thats a standard town post tbh
Yeah, total town perspective there.

Truth be told if I were Benson I'd have just never admitted being a lim shot and been sure to draw a kill after my doc power was spent anyway.

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:15 pm
by Timsup2nothin
Plot twist: the last mafia has NKed the host in a desperate effort to change the momentum.

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:17 pm
by Amy
Ampharos has died! She was Makaze, ???

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:17 pm
by Benson
Timsup2nothin wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:14 pm
iaafr wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:11 pm
nutella wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:11 pm
Benson wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:09 pm I'm hoping to get killed tbh. If I die now, I can say I was right all along if some of my tinfoil was right without having to make any of the decisions. If not, I'll just say I was meming to get things interesting. I'm playing both sides so I always come out on top.
dude stop saying weird shit now i have to tinfoil you too
as somebody who thinks like benson

thats a standard town post tbh
Yeah, total town perspective there.

Truth be told if I were Benson I'd have just never admitted being a lim shot and been sure to draw a kill after my doc power was spent anyway.
I forgot to submit on tutuu so I still have another one.

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:17 pm
by Amy
wait i'm not ampharos on this site gimme a do-over

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:18 pm
by iaafr
ok i flipped through hallys iso and im willing to stay in ezworld for now

hally mightve literally had a 4/4 d1 list

pretty sick if so

1/60

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:18 pm
by Hally
ive decided i’m not engaging with any tinfoils surrounding me/nut/lc because it’s frankly a waste of time and no matter what i say someone will respond with another layer of tinfoil. it’s impossible for me to address it all when it has no basis in the first place

if anyone has substantive questions or accusations to make against me i will respond but i’m not engaging with “but this thing seems unlikely and doesn’t fit with my expectations so therefore you’re lying lulz”

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:19 pm
by Amy
iaafr wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:18 pm ok i flipped through hallys iso and im willing to stay in ezworld for now

hally mightve literally had a 4/4 d1 list

pretty sick if so

1/60
Hally wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:18 pm ive decided i’m not engaging with any tinfoils surrounding me/nut/lc because it’s frankly a waste of time and no matter what i say someone will respond with another layer of tinfoil. it’s impossible for me to address it all when it has no basis in the first place

if anyone has substantive questions or accusations to make against me i will respond but i’m not engaging with “but this thing seems unlikely and doesn’t fit with my expectations so therefore you’re lying lulz”
high tier xpost

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:19 pm
by iaafr
lol for some reason i thought that linki had tsp posting that flip and i didnt even doubt it for a second

LMAO

am i fucking derp cleared for thinking that was actually the nk

in my own eyes i am LMAO

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:19 pm
by Benson
Hally wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:18 pm ive decided i’m not engaging with any tinfoils surrounding me/nut/lc because it’s frankly a waste of time and no matter what i say someone will respond with another layer of tinfoil. it’s impossible for me to address it all when it has no basis in the first place

if anyone has substantive questions or accusations to make against me i will respond but i’m not engaging with “but this thing seems unlikely and doesn’t fit with my expectations so therefore you’re lying lulz”
Is your role unlimited?

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:20 pm
by Hally
Benson wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:19 pm
Hally wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:18 pm ive decided i’m not engaging with any tinfoils surrounding me/nut/lc because it’s frankly a waste of time and no matter what i say someone will respond with another layer of tinfoil. it’s impossible for me to address it all when it has no basis in the first place

if anyone has substantive questions or accusations to make against me i will respond but i’m not engaging with “but this thing seems unlikely and doesn’t fit with my expectations so therefore you’re lying lulz”
Is your role unlimited?
yes

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:20 pm
by Hally
iaafr wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:18 pm ok i flipped through hallys iso and im willing to stay in ezworld for now

hally mightve literally had a 4/4 d1 list

pretty sick if so

1/60
ikr

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:20 pm
by Amy
iaafr wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:19 pm lol for some reason i thought that linki had tsp posting that flip and i didnt even doubt it for a second

LMAO

am i fucking derp cleared for thinking that was actually the nk

in my own eyes i am LMAO
are you telling me the 1/60 was because you saw me flip some secret third party with the role name Makaze and thought it was genuine

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:21 pm
by nutella
iaafr wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:19 pm lol for some reason i thought that linki had tsp posting that flip and i didnt even doubt it for a second

LMAO

am i fucking derp cleared for thinking that was actually the nk

in my own eyes i am LMAO

lol

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:21 pm
by nutella
Amy wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:20 pm
iaafr wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:19 pm lol for some reason i thought that linki had tsp posting that flip and i didnt even doubt it for a second

LMAO

am i fucking derp cleared for thinking that was actually the nk

in my own eyes i am LMAO
are you telling me the 1/60 was because you saw me flip some secret third party with the role name Makaze and thought it was genuine
this is peak spec chat

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:21 pm
by iaafr
Amy wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:20 pm
iaafr wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:19 pm lol for some reason i thought that linki had tsp posting that flip and i didnt even doubt it for a second

LMAO

am i fucking derp cleared for thinking that was actually the nk

in my own eyes i am LMAO
are you telling me the 1/60 was because you saw me flip some secret third party with the role name Makaze and thought it was genuine
look i didnt process the role name or anything at all but yes

legitimately that is what happened

when postgame happens and i am revealed as town you will know that i actually bought that flip for a second

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:22 pm
by Benson
Hally wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:20 pm
Benson wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:19 pm
Hally wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:18 pm ive decided i’m not engaging with any tinfoils surrounding me/nut/lc because it’s frankly a waste of time and no matter what i say someone will respond with another layer of tinfoil. it’s impossible for me to address it all when it has no basis in the first place

if anyone has substantive questions or accusations to make against me i will respond but i’m not engaging with “but this thing seems unlikely and doesn’t fit with my expectations so therefore you’re lying lulz”
Is your role unlimited?
yes
Who did you use it on?

(I'm assuming the deadline must be passed by now)


lmao rabbit. You guys are killing me.

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:22 pm
by nutella
i'm actually clearing iaafr on this ama

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:23 pm
by Hally
Benson wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:22 pm
Hally wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:20 pm
Benson wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:19 pm
Hally wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:18 pm ive decided i’m not engaging with any tinfoils surrounding me/nut/lc because it’s frankly a waste of time and no matter what i say someone will respond with another layer of tinfoil. it’s impossible for me to address it all when it has no basis in the first place

if anyone has substantive questions or accusations to make against me i will respond but i’m not engaging with “but this thing seems unlikely and doesn’t fit with my expectations so therefore you’re lying lulz”
Is your role unlimited?
yes
Who did you use it on?

(I'm assuming the deadline must be passed by now)


lmao rabbit. You guys are killing me.
i will not disclose this until colin posts his result on me

that was the whole point of the plan to verify his tracker ability

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:23 pm
by nutella
god this is so funny i love all yall sm

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:23 pm
by Benson
Sometimes on my home forum we'll change our avatar to the host's and post a fake nightfall report and everyone will buy it. Yeah a lot of stupid shit goes on there.

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:24 pm
by Benson
Hally wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:23 pm
Benson wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:22 pm
Hally wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:20 pm
Benson wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:19 pm
Hally wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:18 pm ive decided i’m not engaging with any tinfoils surrounding me/nut/lc because it’s frankly a waste of time and no matter what i say someone will respond with another layer of tinfoil. it’s impossible for me to address it all when it has no basis in the first place

if anyone has substantive questions or accusations to make against me i will respond but i’m not engaging with “but this thing seems unlikely and doesn’t fit with my expectations so therefore you’re lying lulz”
Is your role unlimited?
yes
Who did you use it on?

(I'm assuming the deadline must be passed by now)


lmao rabbit. You guys are killing me.
i will not disclose this until colin posts his result on me

that was the whole point of the plan to verify his tracker ability
No, you guys will post them at the exact same time to the second.

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:25 pm
by Hally
Benson wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:24 pm
Hally wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:23 pm
Benson wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:22 pm
Hally wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:20 pm
Benson wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:19 pm
Hally wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:18 pm ive decided i’m not engaging with any tinfoils surrounding me/nut/lc because it’s frankly a waste of time and no matter what i say someone will respond with another layer of tinfoil. it’s impossible for me to address it all when it has no basis in the first place

if anyone has substantive questions or accusations to make against me i will respond but i’m not engaging with “but this thing seems unlikely and doesn’t fit with my expectations so therefore you’re lying lulz”
Is your role unlimited?
yes
Who did you use it on?

(I'm assuming the deadline must be passed by now)


lmao rabbit. You guys are killing me.
i will not disclose this until colin posts his result on me

that was the whole point of the plan to verify his tracker ability
No, you guys will post them at the exact same time to the second.
no we won’t ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:25 pm
by iaafr
btw if i die tonight in addition to some not-me dying

tinfoil tim for killing me with the broken soapbox i guess

Re: Philosophers' Mafia [NIGHT 2]

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:26 pm
by WerewolfHunter
Benson wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:23 pm Sometimes on my home forum we'll change our avatar to the host's and post a fake nightfall report and everyone will buy it. Yeah a lot of stupid shit goes on there.
That actually sounds like a lot of fun