The Syndicate

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:05 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:01 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:00 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:58 pm i will feel extremely dumb if im wrong about this and to be clear, im not saying to lock sloonei town and throw away the key. but i do think that it’s something we can trust in at least for today. it feels like the sort of self evident thing that we will kick ourselves for not getting if sloonei is eliminated this day and flips town

how do u feel about alison's play today in general? has it made u more suspicious of her?

idk i’ve only just barely skimmed what was said since last night. i just had this Thought and wanted to shout about it

okay valid, i honestly still want sloonei the most just factoring in the interaction analysis/how the game looks holistically to me rn - i have a harder time seeing a slooneitown world than i do seeing an alisontown world. i do understand your argument, though. the jagged kill gives me pause, and if sloonei is scum i dont understand the angle of killing one of his most passionate defenders

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:06 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:05 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:01 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:00 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:58 pm i will feel extremely dumb if im wrong about this and to be clear, im not saying to lock sloonei town and throw away the key. but i do think that it’s something we can trust in at least for today. it feels like the sort of self evident thing that we will kick ourselves for not getting if sloonei is eliminated this day and flips town

how do u feel about alison's play today in general? has it made u more suspicious of her?

idk i’ve only just barely skimmed what was said since last night. i just had this Thought and wanted to shout about it

okay valid, i honestly still want sloonei the most just factoring in the interaction analysis/how the game looks holistically to me rn - i have a harder time seeing a slooneitown world than i do seeing an alisontown world. i do understand your argument, though. the jagged kill gives me pause, and if sloonei is scum i dont understand the angle of killing one of his most passionate defenders

that’s because there isn’t one

(okay, okay, i’ve made my point. i’ll stop. but like, really though. mafia wants us to eliminate sloonei pretty sure.)

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:14 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:06 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:05 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:01 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:00 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:58 pm i will feel extremely dumb if im wrong about this and to be clear, im not saying to lock sloonei town and throw away the key. but i do think that it’s something we can trust in at least for today. it feels like the sort of self evident thing that we will kick ourselves for not getting if sloonei is eliminated this day and flips town

how do u feel about alison's play today in general? has it made u more suspicious of her?

idk i’ve only just barely skimmed what was said since last night. i just had this Thought and wanted to shout about it

okay valid, i honestly still want sloonei the most just factoring in the interaction analysis/how the game looks holistically to me rn - i have a harder time seeing a slooneitown world than i do seeing an alisontown world. i do understand your argument, though. the jagged kill gives me pause, and if sloonei is scum i dont understand the angle of killing one of his most passionate defenders

that’s because there isn’t one

(okay, okay, i’ve made my point. i’ll stop. but like, really though. mafia wants us to eliminate sloonei pretty sure.)

mm well, who do u think the maf is that's pushing for us to eliminate sloonei? alison and?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:23 pm phantom vote: alison

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:16 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:14 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:06 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:05 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:01 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:00 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:58 pm i will feel extremely dumb if im wrong about this and to be clear, im not saying to lock sloonei town and throw away the key. but i do think that it’s something we can trust in at least for today. it feels like the sort of self evident thing that we will kick ourselves for not getting if sloonei is eliminated this day and flips town

how do u feel about alison's play today in general? has it made u more suspicious of her?

idk i’ve only just barely skimmed what was said since last night. i just had this Thought and wanted to shout about it

okay valid, i honestly still want sloonei the most just factoring in the interaction analysis/how the game looks holistically to me rn - i have a harder time seeing a slooneitown world than i do seeing an alisontown world. i do understand your argument, though. the jagged kill gives me pause, and if sloonei is scum i dont understand the angle of killing one of his most passionate defenders

that’s because there isn’t one

(okay, okay, i’ve made my point. i’ll stop. but like, really though. mafia wants us to eliminate sloonei pretty sure.)

mm well, who do u think the maf is that's pushing for us to eliminate sloonei? alison and?

yea, probably alison. also, mafia doesn’t necessarily have to push for it. they can just let it happen since enough villagers also suspect sloonei

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:24 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:16 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:14 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:06 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:05 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:01 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:00 pm

how do u feel about alison's play today in general? has it made u more suspicious of her?

idk i’ve only just barely skimmed what was said since last night. i just had this Thought and wanted to shout about it

okay valid, i honestly still want sloonei the most just factoring in the interaction analysis/how the game looks holistically to me rn - i have a harder time seeing a slooneitown world than i do seeing an alisontown world. i do understand your argument, though. the jagged kill gives me pause, and if sloonei is scum i dont understand the angle of killing one of his most passionate defenders

that’s because there isn’t one

(okay, okay, i’ve made my point. i’ll stop. but like, really though. mafia wants us to eliminate sloonei pretty sure.)

mm well, who do u think the maf is that's pushing for us to eliminate sloonei? alison and?

yea, probably alison. also, mafia doesn’t necessarily have to push for it. they can just let it happen since enough villagers also suspect sloonei

sorry i worded that badly - who do u think is most likely to be partnered with alison if we live in an alisonscum world?

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:34 pm now im paranoid jay was killed so sloonei would be misyeeted lol fuck

but

u guys are way more invested in the game

im glad i didnt defend lc even tho i townread him

so like i shouldnt get in the way

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:35 pm maybe kill alison if sloonei is town

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:33 pm it could be lc/alison/nook and nook bussed lc because it was better to lose lc than alison lololol

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:31 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:34 pm now im paranoid jay was killed so sloonei would be misyeeted lol fuck

but

u guys are way more invested in the game

im glad i didnt defend lc even tho i townread him

so like i shouldnt get in the way

Meh. You can just as easily argue that Jay was killed while his read status on Sloonei was still uncertain, before he could get there on Sloonei being scum and soul read him as mafia.

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:54 pm i honestly think we should eliminate alison today over sloonei

nova and jay both sussed alison and were more pro-sloonei than most others (and yes, i know jay had sloonei in his poe but he still defended sloonei a fair bit and resisted what he thought was undue pressure on him). if nova and jay were here they would be pushing alison over sloonei. they aren’t here because mafia didn’t want them here, and we should keep that in mind

another reason i don’t think mafia!sloonei would kill jay because there was quite a bit of speculation about a sloonei/jay w/w world. if sloonei is mafia he is killing someone that 1) would have helped him survive this day by pushing alison and 2) could have been eliminated after a scum!sloonei flip because he would have looked bad. sloonei would be shooting himself in the foot making that kill

meanwhile, nutella, who should have been the most lock cleared person out of anyone N2 pending an lc scum flip, is still alive over jay. nut has been the most anti-sloonei person from the start and pro-alison. mafia left her alive for a reason, and i think it’s because they want her to keep tunneling sloonei

sloonei doesn’t make these kills. they’re incredibly suboptimal for him and it doesn’t make sense when he could just kill nut instead

let’s trust in our dead teammates and kill alison

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:34 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:31 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:34 pm now im paranoid jay was killed so sloonei would be misyeeted lol fuck

but

u guys are way more invested in the game

im glad i didnt defend lc even tho i townread him

so like i shouldnt get in the way

Meh. You can just as easily argue that Jay was killed while his read status on Sloonei was still uncertain, before he could get there on Sloonei being scum and soul read him as mafia.

i feel like two game days was sufficient enough time for jay to soul read sloonei mafia if that was going to happen

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:36 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:54 pm i honestly think we should eliminate alison today over sloonei

nova and jay both sussed alison and were more pro-sloonei than most others (and yes, i know jay had sloonei in his poe but he still defended sloonei a fair bit and resisted what he thought was undue pressure on him). if nova and jay were here they would be pushing alison over sloonei. they aren’t here because mafia didn’t want them here, and we should keep that in mind

another reason i don’t think mafia!sloonei would kill jay because there was quite a bit of speculation about a sloonei/jay w/w world. if sloonei is mafia he is killing someone that 1) would have helped him survive this day by pushing alison and 2) could have been eliminated after a scum!sloonei flip because he would have looked bad. sloonei would be shooting himself in the foot making that kill

meanwhile, nutella, who should have been the most lock cleared person out of anyone N2 pending an lc scum flip, is still alive over jay. nut has been the most anti-sloonei person from the start and pro-alison. mafia left her alive for a reason, and i think it’s because they want her to keep tunneling sloonei

sloonei doesn’t make these kills. they’re incredibly suboptimal for him and it doesn’t make sense when he could just kill nut instead

let’s trust in our dead teammates and kill alison

Don't let the mafia manipulate you into voting me through NKs. You know as well as I do that scum teams work in strange ways and make strange night kills. Look at my POE analysis about deepwolves and why Sloonei is always scum here. Also nova didn't really have the ability to get people exed despite being widely townread so I think your analysis about me killing nova because he sussed me is off.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:38 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:34 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:31 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:34 pm now im paranoid jay was killed so sloonei would be misyeeted lol fuck

but

u guys are way more invested in the game

im glad i didnt defend lc even tho i townread him

so like i shouldnt get in the way

Meh. You can just as easily argue that Jay was killed while his read status on Sloonei was still uncertain, before he could get there on Sloonei being scum and soul read him as mafia.

i feel like two game days was sufficient enough time for jay to soul read sloonei mafia if that was going to happen

eh it could change after the first red flip though; plus killing jay after the first red flip is always smart because he always does the thorough interaction analyses (ofc spf is doing them and sloon himself also did his own lc spew analysis but i think silencing jay there does make sense and the argument could be made that it was to shut him down before he could more solidly find sloonei as mafia

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:50 pm but you already found sloonei as mafia if he’s mafia. you already linked him to lc too. why not shoot you, the person who already found him, over the person who might possibly find him? idk, i don’t want to beat this horse to death but i really think it’s strictly better for sloonei to shoot you, and maybe even n1 instead of n2

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:48 pm NKA definitely has its place in mafia games but exeing someone who's less suspicious over someone who's more suspicious purely based off NKA doesn't make sense. The NK is controlled by the mafia; you don't want it to be the sole arbiter of who to exe, because it's not coming from people who are using it to achieve good outcomes for town. I wouldn't have boxed myself into a POE this small if I was scum. Heck, I'm openly offering to let you exe me without a single shred of resistance whatsoever if Sloonei flips town. Because at that point in the game my presence is -EV. I'd much rather die, flip green and leave you guys with strong legacy reads to help you hunt the deepwolf than be dragged to endgame as the designated game-losing misexe.

Sloonei has been scummy since Day 1. If you exe me, I am going to flip green and then you will have to exe Sloonei tomorrow anyway. Kill Sloonei first.

linki: That's not what I'm saying actually. I'm saying "NKA isn't reliable because the reasons scum make kills aren't the reasons you think they do sometimes". The town collectively buried itself in a hole in Space Invaders in part due to no-kill one night and it convinced itself that the only people who had a motive to do that were the people assigned to protect nutella.

No, I'm not going to stand here and pretend I know what Sloonei was thinking when he shot Jay and nova. I'm not Sloonei. I've posited a hypothesis about why Jay was shot, to silence him before he could get there about Sloonei being scum. No clue on nova. I'm just telling you what I know from my perspective, which is that it is incorrect to rely strongly on night-kill analysis to make your decisions over in-game actions. NKA has its place and it can be used as a tiebreaker or to try to track the mafia's patterns/philosophy in killing players, but don't use it as a substitute for actual hunting.

I've made actions that would box myself into a POE if I'm scum. I've offered to let you exe me without resistance if Sloonei flips town. If I'm scum I'm not doing that because I'm not gambling the game on my scum buddy winning a 6v1 in a playerlist this strong and a bunch of hard locked town. I'm going to hard push Thunal or someone else I think I can raise suspicion on, tutuu or something, and try to expand the POE at all costs and drag myself to endgame while murdering as many townies as possible. Not give it all up just to get a townie who was already destined to die sooner or later (Sloonei) exed before me.

Trust me on this. I am town. I saw Sloonei vent. Vote him out, and if it's not him you can vote me.

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:50 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:38 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:34 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:31 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:34 pm now im paranoid jay was killed so sloonei would be misyeeted lol fuck

but

u guys are way more invested in the game

im glad i didnt defend lc even tho i townread him

so like i shouldnt get in the way

Meh. You can just as easily argue that Jay was killed while his read status on Sloonei was still uncertain, before he could get there on Sloonei being scum and soul read him as mafia.

i feel like two game days was sufficient enough time for jay to soul read sloonei mafia if that was going to happen

eh it could change after the first red flip though; plus killing jay after the first red flip is always smart because he always does the thorough interaction analyses (ofc spf is doing them and sloon himself also did his own lc spew analysis but i think silencing jay there does make sense and the argument could be made that it was to shut him down before he could more solidly find sloonei as mafia

but you already found sloonei as mafia if he’s mafia. you already linked him to lc too. why not shoot you, the person who already found him, over the person who might possibly find him? idk, i don’t want to beat this horse to death but i really think it’s strictly better for sloonei to shoot you, and maybe even n1 instead of n2

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:53 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:50 pm but you already found sloonei as mafia if he’s mafia. you already linked him to lc too. why not shoot you, the person who already found him, over the person who might possibly find him? idk, i don’t want to beat this horse to death but i really think it’s strictly better for sloonei to shoot you, and maybe even n1 instead of n2

Here's a line of argument I think might make sense to you. You argue to me that nutella already caught Sloonei. nutella is widely believed to be a townie and already got one scum exed. From the point of view of Sloonei, isn't he stuck between a rock and a hard place? If he lets nutella live, nutella finds him and uses her clout to vote him. If he lets Jay live, Jay probably finds him (not exactly hard since Jay is good at reading Sloonei and there's like two people in the POE to choose from), and uses his clout to vote him.

If Sloonei's already going into this day with the idea that a widely townread player with clout is going to find him and push him, what's the best way he can slip away? Neither nutella nor Jay are particularly easy to talk down when they really think someone is scum. I suggest to you that the most viable way for Sloonei to wriggle out of an exe here is actually by making the townies who have him pinned down doubt themselves and step away from their read out of paranoia or uncertainty. In that respect, a WIFOM kill meant to frame me makes more sense than just shooting whoever scumreads him more.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:48 pm NKA definitely has its place in mafia games but exeing someone who's less suspicious over someone who's more suspicious purely based off NKA doesn't make sense. The NK is controlled by the mafia; you don't want it to be the sole arbiter of who to exe, because it's not coming from people who are using it to achieve good outcomes for town. I wouldn't have boxed myself into a POE this small if I was scum. Heck, I'm openly offering to let you exe me without a single shred of resistance whatsoever if Sloonei flips town. Because at that point in the game my presence is -EV. I'd much rather die, flip green and leave you guys with strong legacy reads to help you hunt the deepwolf than be dragged to endgame as the designated game-losing misexe.

Sloonei has been scummy since Day 1. If you exe me, I am going to flip green and then you will have to exe Sloonei tomorrow anyway. Kill Sloonei first.

linki: That's not what I'm saying actually. I'm saying "NKA isn't reliable because the reasons scum make kills aren't the reasons you think they do sometimes". The town collectively buried itself in a hole in Space Invaders in part due to no-kill one night and it convinced itself that the only people who had a motive to do that were the people assigned to protect nutella.

No, I'm not going to stand here and pretend I know what Sloonei was thinking when he shot Jay and nova. I'm not Sloonei. I've posited a hypothesis about why Jay was shot, to silence him before he could get there about Sloonei being scum. No clue on nova. I'm just telling you what I know from my perspective, which is that it is incorrect to rely strongly on night-kill analysis to make your decisions over in-game actions. NKA has its place and it can be used as a tiebreaker or to try to track the mafia's patterns/philosophy in killing players, but don't use it as a substitute for actual hunting.

I've made actions that would box myself into a POE if I'm scum. I've offered to let you exe me without resistance if Sloonei flips town. If I'm scum I'm not doing that because I'm not gambling the game on my scum buddy winning a 6v1 in a playerlist this strong and a bunch of hard locked town. I'm going to hard push Thunal or someone else I think I can raise suspicion on, tutuu or something, and try to expand the POE at all costs and drag myself to endgame while murdering as many townies as possible. Not give it all up just to get a townie who was already destined to die sooner or later (Sloonei) exed before me.

Trust me on this. I am town. I saw Sloonei vent. Vote him out, and if it's not him you can vote me.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:53 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:50 pm but you already found sloonei as mafia if he’s mafia. you already linked him to lc too. why not shoot you, the person who already found him, over the person who might possibly find him? idk, i don’t want to beat this horse to death but i really think it’s strictly better for sloonei to shoot you, and maybe even n1 instead of n2

Here's a line of argument I think might make sense to you. You argue to me that nutella already caught Sloonei. nutella is widely believed to be a townie and already got one scum exed. From the point of view of Sloonei, isn't he stuck between a rock and a hard place? If he lets nutella live, nutella finds him and uses her clout to vote him. If he lets Jay live, Jay probably finds him (not exactly hard since Jay is good at reading Sloonei and there's like two people in the POE to choose from), and uses his clout to vote him.

If Sloonei's already going into this day with the idea that a widely townread player with clout is going to find him and push him, what's the best way he can slip away? Neither nutella nor Jay are particularly easy to talk down when they really think someone is scum. I suggest to you that the most viable way for Sloonei to wriggle out of an exe here is actually by making the townies who have him pinned down doubt themselves and step away from their read out of paranoia or uncertainty. In that respect, a WIFOM kill meant to frame me makes more sense than just shooting whoever scumreads him more.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:10 am i think that hally does present a compelling case for why sloonei being scum is not something we can say with 100% slam dunk certainty - and i agree with their points - but the part that i object to is the idea that we should chop alison over sloonei ~because~ of that case. i just think that sloonei's interactions with long con reflect a lot more poorly on sloonei than alison's do, and while i can see alison being scum, i also find it really hard to envision a world where sloonei flips town

i am mindful of the fact that i could easily be confirmation biasing myself because of how early into the game i was suspicious of sloonei, but i just think he's the best chop today based on the information we have. shrug

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:18 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:10 am i think that hally does present a compelling case for why sloonei being scum is not something we can say with 100% slam dunk certainty - and i agree with their points - but the part that i object to is the idea that we should chop alison over sloonei ~because~ of that case. i just think that sloonei's interactions with long con reflect a lot more poorly on sloonei than alison's do, and while i can see alison being scum, i also find it really hard to envision a world where sloonei flips town

i am mindful of the fact that i could easily be confirmation biasing myself because of how early into the game i was suspicious of sloonei, but i just think he's the best chop today based on the information we have. shrug

okay, i’m not going to insist. i don’t even know how confident i am in it myself. my goal was more so to get us to not be complacent and at least think twice before eliminating sloonei. if i’m right i can say i told you so, and if i’m wrong i’ll look dumb. won’t be the first time

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:23 am

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:18 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:10 am i think that hally does present a compelling case for why sloonei being scum is not something we can say with 100% slam dunk certainty - and i agree with their points - but the part that i object to is the idea that we should chop alison over sloonei ~because~ of that case. i just think that sloonei's interactions with long con reflect a lot more poorly on sloonei than alison's do, and while i can see alison being scum, i also find it really hard to envision a world where sloonei flips town

i am mindful of the fact that i could easily be confirmation biasing myself because of how early into the game i was suspicious of sloonei, but i just think he's the best chop today based on the information we have. shrug

okay, i’m not going to insist. i don’t even know how confident i am in it myself. my goal was more so to get us to not be complacent and at least think twice before eliminating sloonei. if i’m right i can say i told you so, and if i’m wrong i’ll look dumb. won’t be the first time

lol i feel the exact way but on the opposite end of the spectrum, im worried about conf biasing myself and following the exact plan of the mafia while looking dumb when i end up being wrong

mafia sucks

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:48 pm NKA definitely has its place in mafia games but exeing someone who's less suspicious over someone who's more suspicious purely based off NKA doesn't make sense. The NK is controlled by the mafia; you don't want it to be the sole arbiter of who to exe, because it's not coming from people who are using it to achieve good outcomes for town. I wouldn't have boxed myself into a POE this small if I was scum. Heck, I'm openly offering to let you exe me without a single shred of resistance whatsoever if Sloonei flips town. Because at that point in the game my presence is -EV. I'd much rather die, flip green and leave you guys with strong legacy reads to help you hunt the deepwolf than be dragged to endgame as the designated game-losing misexe.

Sloonei has been scummy since Day 1. If you exe me, I am going to flip green and then you will have to exe Sloonei tomorrow anyway. Kill Sloonei first.

linki: That's not what I'm saying actually. I'm saying "NKA isn't reliable because the reasons scum make kills aren't the reasons you think they do sometimes". The town collectively buried itself in a hole in Space Invaders in part due to no-kill one night and it convinced itself that the only people who had a motive to do that were the people assigned to protect nutella.

No, I'm not going to stand here and pretend I know what Sloonei was thinking when he shot Jay and nova. I'm not Sloonei. I've posited a hypothesis about why Jay was shot, to silence him before he could get there about Sloonei being scum. No clue on nova. I'm just telling you what I know from my perspective, which is that it is incorrect to rely strongly on night-kill analysis to make your decisions over in-game actions. NKA has its place and it can be used as a tiebreaker or to try to track the mafia's patterns/philosophy in killing players, but don't use it as a substitute for actual hunting.

I've made actions that would box myself into a POE if I'm scum. I've offered to let you exe me without resistance if Sloonei flips town. If I'm scum I'm not doing that because I'm not gambling the game on my scum buddy winning a 6v1 in a playerlist this strong and a bunch of hard locked town. I'm going to hard push Thunal or someone else I think I can raise suspicion on, tutuu or something, and try to expand the POE at all costs and drag myself to endgame while murdering as many townies as possible. Not give it all up just to get a townie who was already destined to die sooner or later (Sloonei) exed before me.

Trust me on this. I am town. I saw Sloonei vent. Vote him out, and if it's not him you can vote me.

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:30 pm fwiw lc and spf had a lot of interaction in the grasslands chat that is worth looking at and i think reflects well on her

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:10 am Maybe my reason to townread nook is dumb