JJJ's Bad First Dates Mafia [END]

[Kate]

I hope that blurb above makes sense.

I'm very hesitant to trust Kate now and I'm not very keen on Zenon's read supporting is the tldr and the above is what's adding to that feeling.

I'm finding it very hard to believe you.

[DrWilgy]

I hope that blurb above makes sense.

I'm very hesitant to trust Kate now and I'm not very keen on Zenon's read supporting is the tldr and the above is what's adding to that feeling.

I'm finding it very hard to believe you.

Alright, why?

[Kate]

Kill Guillo Epi or Wilgy

It'll be exelo but that's the PoE

I'm out

Kate is lock town

I don't think it's Epi.

y tho

Do you think it's epi? If so why?

[DrWilgy]

Kill Guillo Epi or Wilgy

It'll be exelo but that's the PoE

I'm out

Kate is lock town

I don't think it's Epi.

y tho

Do you think it's epi? If so why?

Aye, I think it kinda has to just be Epi.

Pyx and Falc are town and I'd bet the game on it.

Guillo I don't have a meta for, but I really don't think a wolf has the interactions with Seanzie that Guillo had D2.

Don't think it's Zenon either.

[DrWilgy]

And honestly your Epi read being contrary, for minimal perceived reason, and what almost seems like an arbitrary refusal of omgus, makes me think your opinion on the matter has agenda.

I'd expect T to have speculation over those pushing them that I do not see in you at all.

[Kate]

And honestly your Epi read being contrary, for minimal perceived reason, and what almost seems like an arbitrary refusal of omgus, makes me think your opinion on the matter has agenda.

I'd expect T to have speculation over those pushing them that I do not see in you at all.

I've been here for a day and have read about 10 pages so...doing the best I can with that.

I always have minimally perceived reason.

[Kate]

And honestly your Epi read being contrary, for minimal perceived reason, and what almost seems like an arbitrary refusal of omgus, makes me think your opinion on the matter has agenda.

I'd expect T to have speculation over those pushing them that I do not see in you at all.

And I don't automatically think people are bad just bc they wrongly thing I am. Sometimes, they're just wrong.

[Kate]

Kill Guillo Epi or Wilgy

It'll be exelo but that's the PoE

I'm out

Kate is lock town

I don't think it's Epi.

y tho

Do you think it's epi? If so why?

Aye, I think it kinda has to just be Epi.

Pyx and Falc are town and I'd bet the game on it.

Guillo I don't have a meta for, but I really don't think a wolf has the interactions with Seanzie that Guillo had D2.

Don't think it's Zenon either.

So me, you, zenon, pyx, falcon, guillo are all town? I don't think that maths.

[Kate]

@Epignosis humor me for a moment, let's assume you, zenon and I are all town. Who is your top chop in that scenerio?

[DrWilgy]

And honestly your Epi read being contrary, for minimal perceived reason, and what almost seems like an arbitrary refusal of omgus, makes me think your opinion on the matter has agenda.

I'd expect T to have speculation over those pushing them that I do not see in you at all.

I've been here for a day and have read about 10 pages so...doing the best I can with that.

I always have minimally perceived reason.

And I appreciate you

[DrWilgy]

And honestly your Epi read being contrary, for minimal perceived reason, and what almost seems like an arbitrary refusal of omgus, makes me think your opinion on the matter has agenda.

I'd expect T to have speculation over those pushing them that I do not see in you at all.

And I don't automatically think people are bad just bc they wrongly thing I am. Sometimes, they're just wrong.

Aye, and I don't think it is an automatic thing either. It does normally exist though. It's also only more agenda-y in tandem with the lack of reason.

I know you are a very intuitive townie, but I have also seen arguments and reason from you that help me understand you.

[Guillotine]

Vote Epi

I suggest Tutuu first. *checks own voting record* *squints* *asks self wtf*

Anyways what do you think of Falcon?

I just want wagon balance and kinda am panicking that tutuu is just playing weird for whatever reason and is town.

Panic bad.

Anyways I can't read falcon for shit. Seems like falcon. I've seen falcon wolf once and he kinda try harded I dunno if that's normal or not.

Any names I should have on my radar that I dont?

I get anxious I'm clearing Wilgy too easily...

And Robyn is a threat that I likely won't find if she is wolfing

Wanna check into those and lemme no what you see?

Zenon, I take it you have towned against wolf!Robyn?

[pyxxy]

@Epignosis humor me for a moment, let's assume you, zenon and I are all town. Who is your top chop in that scenerio?

This doesn't feel like a normal Kate post. But maybe this is just substitute Kate.

[DrWilgy]

Kill Guillo Epi or Wilgy

It'll be exelo but that's the PoE

I'm out

Kate is lock town

I don't think it's Epi.

y tho

Do you think it's epi? If so why?

Aye, I think it kinda has to just be Epi.

Pyx and Falc are town and I'd bet the game on it.

Guillo I don't have a meta for, but I really don't think a wolf has the interactions with Seanzie that Guillo had D2.

Don't think it's Zenon either.

So me, you, zenon, pyx, falcon, guillo are all town? I don't think that maths.

But I don't think you are townie and I acknowledge that I could be wrong on Zenon.

[pyxxy]

@Epignosis humor me for a moment, let's assume you, zenon and I are all town. Who is your top chop in that scenerio?

This doesn't feel like a normal Kate post. But maybe this is just substitute Kate.

I'm not seeing much change since I was last awake?

- Epi/Robyn-Kate still valid, Epi EOD was throwing bc mad at afk partner (not sure I specifically said this in the thread before tho)
- Epi/Zenon still valid for EOD shenanigans
- but otherwise Epi is cleared town for trying to slip 'n slide
- Guillo still valid, especially post-trying to shove zenon in a locker today
- wilgy def town to me for tone now + I went and re-read Hot Fuzz and I can't imagine him bringing that up for literally just him and Zenon to relate to, as in idk the scum motivation for remembering that game
- falcon had me blinking but he figured himself out eventually today

and right now we're at

DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Epignosis
2
20%
Voters: DrWilgy, falcon45ca
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
Guillotine
2
20%
Voters: Zenon, Kate
pyxxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
robyn
0
No votes
Voters: None
Zenon
2
20%
Voters: Epignosis, Guillotine

[pyxxy]

imagine if Rem had just, like, been online and self-prezzed.

[Guillotine]

Rem and Robyn are mafia. Go.

I disagree

Good. Tell me more.

I don't really have a read either way on Rem yet but I will eventually.

Robyn seems towny to me though.

I mean... this is like my 7th post

Your read here on Robyn is a throw away, since you claimed they weren't Maf, and also don't have a read on them.




And there's nothing you point to that informs the Robyn read, it's vague & generalized

This is the problem I'm seeing with her reads on people, they are generalized, there is no meet on them except for Tutuu, which I agreed with her as well. Tutuu was wolfy.

But if you check when she talks about Seanzie, Zenon calls him town without saying why, then in the big wall post with anime gifs, she outs a hedging read on Seanzie voicing concern on him but still townreading, then on day 2 she declares that she no longer townreads Seanzie without saying why (I know why, Seanzie was suspecting her and she just OMGUS), She parked on Seanzie until we started talking about eliminating Robyn and Rem, then she appealed to Seanzie about to killing Rem, then Seanzie scum reads he and she actually appeals to him as if she knew Seanzie was town and then we know the rest.

Another example is myself, she had me in her townreads all game except today. She townread me more being uncooperative with Seanzie (even though she said it was my indignation) when he asked me why I was suspecting Epignosis and another player I dont remember now, then that she still townread me but that she was concerned about my derp being fake, then she voted Tutuu to save me from elimination, on day 2 she continued to townread me, then voted me to tie me with Rem (because she liked Rem more than me), then she dropped it and went for Seanzie, then Epignosis all in an attempt to save her townreads that she had no in game justification for, again, we know what happened at the end.

She has played very uncooperatively when prompted to show us her minset about her reads on people, specially Rem, then she just kills Rem.

[Guillotine]

Rem and Robyn are mafia. Go.

I disagree

Good. Tell me more.

I don't really have a read either way on Rem yet but I will eventually.

Robyn seems towny to me though.

I mean... this is like my 7th post

Your read here on Robyn is a throw away, since you claimed they weren't Maf, and also don't have a read on them.




And there's nothing you point to that informs the Robyn read, it's vague & generalized

This is the problem I'm seeing with her reads on people, they are generalized, there is no meet on them except for Tutuu, which I agreed with her as well. Tutuu was wolfy.

But if you check when she talks about Seanzie, Zenon calls him town without saying why, then in the big wall post with anime gifs, she outs a hedging read on Seanzie voicing concern on him but still townreading, then on day 2 she declares that she no longer townreads Seanzie without saying why (I know why, Seanzie was suspecting her and she just OMGUS), She parked on Seanzie until we started talking about eliminating Robyn and Rem, then she appealed to Seanzie about to killing Rem, then Seanzie scum reads he and she actually appeals to him as if she knew Seanzie was town and then we know the rest.

Another example is myself, she had me in her townreads all game except today. She townread me more being uncooperative with Seanzie (even though she said it was my indignation) when he asked me why I was suspecting Epignosis and another player I dont remember now, then that she still townread me but that she was concerned about my derp being fake, then she voted Tutuu to save me from elimination, on day 2 she continued to townread me, then voted me to tie me with Rem (because she liked Rem more than me), then she dropped it and went for Seanzie, then Epignosis all in an attempt to save her townreads that she had no in game justification for, again, we know what happened at the end.

She has played very uncooperatively when prompted to show us her minset about her reads on people, specially Rem, then she just kills Rem.

And today when I asked her why did she flip on Rem she went on auto defense mode and declared that a thunderdome must take place between she and I. How is that townie?

[falcon45ca]

Pyxxy sitting on the voting sidelines I see...why?

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[Epignosis]

Kill Guillo Epi or Wilgy

It'll be exelo but that's the PoE

I'm out

Kate is lock town

I don't think it's Epi.

y tho

Do you think it's epi? If so why?

Aye, I think it kinda has to just be Epi.

Pyx and Falc are town and I'd bet the game on it.

Guillo I don't have a meta for, but I really don't think a wolf has the interactions with Seanzie that Guillo had D2.

Don't think it's Zenon either.

Who is my teammate? You?

[pyxxy]

Pyxxy sitting on the voting sidelines I see...why?

I'm waiting to be pampered.

[pyxxy]

also at 2-2-2 if I join any wagon it's E-1

(well, now it's if I _had joined_)

[Guillotine]

Epi looks to be partnered if Neon flips red

is it really that easy sometimes?

Why the need to untie the wagons? Why not vote Epi if she's been TR Rem at that point? What kind of interactions does she have w/ Epi?




Yeah, sometimes it is that easy

Rand is anti town

Rand is strictly not anti town if you enable a 50/50 between a w and t where it was just a t going over previously though...

Rand is anti town. I will never let a vote rand if I can help it. Ever.

I disagree with this view very much.

You threw your own top town over because of this thinking then decided to blame everyone else. I think your flawed view on ties and how to handle a perceived TvT game state here is exactly what's caused this aggravating game state we are in now. I think, in a TvT game state, if one should try to rationalize the arguments made for each (as it's impossible for everyone involved to be wolf), and then make the best vote even if it results in a tie. That will always result in a higher chance for a W flip.

I think I'd be more keen to just try trusting your Kate read if it wasn't for the blaming of others and the AtE you expressed in response into the EoD which really reminds me of your gameplay in Hot Fuzz. There's a big difference between 'I panic'd and impulsively voted, my bad' and the AtE and blame you expressed going into this phase.

Also, I don't want this to come across as a criticism on you, rather my view on EoD and following. I somewhat struggled writing this one out as you are my friend and I do want to think you are town, acking that I think you are town, I can see this view of yours being genuine. I do not wish to bash/criticize your genuine view or emotion related. I don't think I'd make this argument in the first place if I didn't think it was needed for expressing my thoughts on this game state and where I'm at.

Rand is anti town though. But yah, she eliminating Rem does not make sense.

In fact anyone who voices a townread in that behavior with clear no lack of paranoia is a wolf with TMI if Zenon flips town because no one in their right mind would believe that shit was townie.

[Guillotine]

I have a spicy statement

[Epignosis]

@Epignosis humor me for a moment, let's assume you, zenon and I are all town. Who is your top chop in that scenerio?

At this moment, Wilgy.

I'm apparently the only mafia member in existence.

[Kate]

@Epignosis humor me for a moment, let's assume you, zenon and I are all town. Who is your top chop in that scenerio?

This doesn't feel like a normal Kate post. But maybe this is just substitute Kate.

Sub Kate is trying desperately to get thoughts without reading 40 or whatever pages.

[pyxxy]

I think what I'm having trouble squaring is

- if Epi flips scum, then I always chop Zenon next
- but if Epi flips town, nothing feels clarified about Zenon?

hmmm
- well, if Zenon flips scum, then I want to chop Epi next for potential theater but idk if that's really right
- if Zenon flips town, I think maybe I can townread Epi? because why would scum knowingly suicide

but that's my whole Epi read in general, it's technically WIFOM but like, why vote off

oh, well, wait a second

@Epignosis why didn't you self-vote instead of voting Zenon at EOD yesterday, to confirm your own death?

[Epignosis]

- Epi/Robyn-Kate still valid, Epi EOD was throwing bc mad at afk partner (not sure I specifically said this in the thread before tho)

I've experienced this. I didn't get mad. I won. With songs.

Epi/Zenon still valid for EOD shenanigans

Just no.

- but otherwise Epi is cleared town for trying to slip 'n slide

Used to love the Slip and Slide as a kid. Tried it again in my 30s. Oof, what a mistake that experience was.

What is this in a mafia context?

[Epignosis]

I think what I'm having trouble squaring is

- if Epi flips scum, then I always chop Zenon next
- but if Epi flips town, nothing feels clarified about Zenon?

hmmm
- well, if Zenon flips scum, then I want to chop Epi next for potential theater but idk if that's really right
- if Zenon flips town, I think maybe I can townread Epi? because why would scum knowingly suicide

but that's my whole Epi read in general, it's technically WIFOM but like, why vote off

oh, well, wait a second

@Epignosis why didn't you self-vote instead of voting Zenon at EOD yesterday, to confirm your own death?

I don't vote for myself. I find it antithetical to the spirit of the game.

[Kate]

I disagree

Good. Tell me more.

I don't really have a read either way on Rem yet but I will eventually.

Robyn seems towny to me though.

I mean... this is like my 7th post

Your read here on Robyn is a throw away, since you claimed they weren't Maf, and also don't have a read on them.




And there's nothing you point to that informs the Robyn read, it's vague & generalized

This is the problem I'm seeing with her reads on people, they are generalized, there is no meet on them except for Tutuu, which I agreed with her as well. Tutuu was wolfy.

But if you check when she talks about Seanzie, Zenon calls him town without saying why, then in the big wall post with anime gifs, she outs a hedging read on Seanzie voicing concern on him but still townreading, then on day 2 she declares that she no longer townreads Seanzie without saying why (I know why, Seanzie was suspecting her and she just OMGUS), She parked on Seanzie until we started talking about eliminating Robyn and Rem, then she appealed to Seanzie about to killing Rem, then Seanzie scum reads he and she actually appeals to him as if she knew Seanzie was town and then we know the rest.

Another example is myself, she had me in her townreads all game except today. She townread me more being uncooperative with Seanzie (even though she said it was my indignation) when he asked me why I was suspecting Epignosis and another player I dont remember now, then that she still townread me but that she was concerned about my derp being fake, then she voted Tutuu to save me from elimination, on day 2 she continued to townread me, then voted me to tie me with Rem (because she liked Rem more than me), then she dropped it and went for Seanzie, then Epignosis all in an attempt to save her townreads that she had no in game justification for, again, we know what happened at the end.

She has played very uncooperatively when prompted to show us her minset about her reads on people, specially Rem, then she just kills Rem.

And today when I asked her why did she flip on Rem she went on auto defense mode and declared that a thunderdome must take place between she and I. How is that townie?

In my opinion, and I know her quite well, voting rem is not all that crazy. This new genz group of mafia players have these hard core theories/rules that thwy place on themselves. I don't necessarily agree with A LOT of them but they are hard core. It's similar to the day 1 counterwagon must be flipped. I hate that and I won't go along with it as an absolute. I'm not throwing shade at any group or their play, I've just been trying to play with them and learn their tactics. I'd bet the game on zenon being civ despite her voting rem, to avoid a tie.

[pyxxy]

oh "Slip and Slide" is a zoomer substitute word for suicide bc censorship and I just used it here to be funny since I forgot self-voting is a better term anyway

[Kate]

I think what I'm having trouble squaring is

- if Epi flips scum, then I always chop Zenon next
- but if Epi flips town, nothing feels clarified about Zenon?

hmmm
- well, if Zenon flips scum, then I want to chop Epi next for potential theater but idk if that's really right
- if Zenon flips town, I think maybe I can townread Epi? because why would scum knowingly suicide

but that's my whole Epi read in general, it's technically WIFOM but like, why vote off

oh, well, wait a second

@Epignosis why didn't you self-vote instead of voting Zenon at EOD yesterday, to confirm your own death?

I don't vote for myself. I find it antithetical to the spirit of the game.

I assume you also didn't want to vote for a civ?

[pyxxy]

I think what I'm having trouble squaring is

- if Epi flips scum, then I always chop Zenon next
- but if Epi flips town, nothing feels clarified about Zenon?

hmmm
- well, if Zenon flips scum, then I want to chop Epi next for potential theater but idk if that's really right
- if Zenon flips town, I think maybe I can townread Epi? because why would scum knowingly suicide

but that's my whole Epi read in general, it's technically WIFOM but like, why vote off

oh, well, wait a second

@Epignosis why didn't you self-vote instead of voting Zenon at EOD yesterday, to confirm your own death?

I don't vote for myself. I find it antithetical to the spirit of the game.

Yep that makes sense.

[Epignosis]

I'm going to resurrect a post I made a while ago.

This particular post warrants scrutiny:

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Im down with putting some pressure there.

Cape90 did suspect Zenon early and Epi voiced a suspicion on Zenon as well but chainsawed Cape90 for suspecting Zenon which is a very wtf moment.

I also thought that there was a wolf in Tutuu/Epi for the way they were pocketing each other yesterday but Tutuu's w/w reads were sooo non-sensical that i thought it couldnt possibly come from town and kinda forgot about Epi.

I am curious as to how tutuu and I were "pocketing" each other.

tutuu expressed a firm view of me as a civilian and was revealed to be a civilian.

I had my doubts about tutuu and expressed them, even voting tutuu at one point.

But Im seeing more signs that Epi could be a wolf here whom tried to misexe Cape90 and since he couldnt, he just had to kill him.

What are these signs that you are seeing "more of?" This implies that you are examining me and have found new evidence in the thread that I tried super hard lynch Cape90, failed at my task, went back into my chat with my tail between my legs and told my team, "You know what guys? I just couldn't get the job done today. We now have no choice this Night 1 but to kill Cape90. It's the only way."

Anybody who knows anything about me knows that's a knee slapper right there.

But that's not important. What's important is how this opinion can even exist if in fact Guillotine is a civilian. Behold:

Spoiler: show

Cape90
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Epignosis
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
Guillotine
5
33%
Voters: tutuu, falcon45ca, DrWilgy, Rem, pyxxy
pyxxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Rem
0
No votes
Voters: None
robyn
0
No votes
Voters: None
Seanzie
1
7%
Voters: Epignosis
tutuu
5
33%
Voters: Guillotine, Seanzie, Zenon, robyn, Cape90
Zenon
0
No votes
Voters: None
No elimination / Sleep
0
No votes
Voters: None
No vote / Unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None

We know tutuu is good.

The perspective in question here is that I'm mafia who tried to get Cape90 lynched and failed miserably.

If this is the case, and Guillotine is not mafia, then wouldn't I be equally satisfied (if not more satisfied) that two civilians were tied at the end of Day 1?

That's money right there. The gravy is that Cape90 voted tutuu, not Guillotine. Cape90 wouldn't be in my top five names to kill Night 1.

But again, the important takeaway is that, rather than say I'm mafia for being satisfied that two civilians are tied Day 1 and stayed on the sidelines by leaving my vote on Seanzie, Guillotine's interpretation is that I sucked at getting Cape90 lynched.

This is not an honest perspective. This do be a doo-doo take.

I understand that he allegedly townread both Tutuu and I and that is his alibi for staying on Cape90 at EoD1, but the more i read his ISO the more the pieces fit if he is scum with either Zenon.

My vote was on Seanzie.

Therefore I'm left wondering how you can honestly think I required an alibi for staying on Cape90.

Circling back to the initial part of the post and considering my own reservations regarding Zenon (not to mention they are both voting me), I am looking forward to these thrilling developments.

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

I have to learn to trust my own shit.

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

[Guillotine]

Guillo Wilgy is the team

Kill falcon if I'm wrong

Pyx Robyn Epi are always town

Bet bet

I also think falcon is just town

Actually maybe Guillo >Wilgy > Pyx > Falcon but I'd be surprised if Guillo Wilg doesn't just end the game

If I was scum in Zenon position, I wouldn't be defending my teammate and risk associating them with me.

I would be distancing.

Zenon is clearly distancing from Wilgy here.

Specially because if you check her ISO they've been townreading each other and when they "suspected" each other it was very subtle.

And Wilgy looked like he had TMI on Tutuu, also he parked on me most of Day 2 as a wolf trying to capitalize on me for being the unresolved day 1 wagon. Then he tried to associate me with him while shielding Zenon in the process.

It is Zenon/Wilgy!

Epi was just the guy Zenon set up to look partnered with her along with myself, but since I flipped an 180 on her for killing Rem, she had no choice but to thunderdome.

@Zenon @DrWilgy i caught you motherflowers! Who wants to die first?

[Guillotine]

oh I guess Im dying first never mind

[Guillotine]

I rather not be hammered early I have stuff to share but if you guys are in a rush, go ahead. Just read my legacy overnight.

[Epignosis]

I think what I'm having trouble squaring is

- if Epi flips scum, then I always chop Zenon next
- but if Epi flips town, nothing feels clarified about Zenon?

hmmm
- well, if Zenon flips scum, then I want to chop Epi next for potential theater but idk if that's really right
- if Zenon flips town, I think maybe I can townread Epi? because why would scum knowingly suicide

but that's my whole Epi read in general, it's technically WIFOM but like, why vote off

oh, well, wait a second

@Epignosis why didn't you self-vote instead of voting Zenon at EOD yesterday, to confirm your own death?

I don't vote for myself. I find it antithetical to the spirit of the game.

I assume you also didn't want to vote for a civ?

I don't recall who was in the running other than Rem. Saw I had the most votes and decided to give the people what they wanted. It was happenstance that Zenon voted Rem at the same time and put Rem over instead of me.

I feel like this entire game is the worst first date ever. So thank you @JaggedJimmyJay for this rather vicarious experience.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

I despise hammers.

[Epignosis]

Jesus, now it looks like I caused a hammer and tried to alert the host.

[Guillotine]

That was intense.

[pyxxy]

Jesus, now it looks like I caused a hammer and tried to alert the host.

don't worry, I sat here and didn't hammer, I can help distract from how bad you look /s

[Epignosis]

Nobody jumped to be number four though. Hmm.

[Guillotine]

My turn!

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

[Guillotine]

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

[Guillotine]

That was a cool test of adrenaline.

[Guillotine]

I'll be back later unless I'm hammered while I'm away

[Kate]

At vet. Brb.

[pyxxy]

Jesus, now it looks like I caused a hammer and tried to alert the host.

don't worry, I sat here and didn't hammer, I can help distract from how bad you look /s

(I don't actually look bad because I tried to kill Guillo D1 and the chop got prevented by Zenon who was trying to prevent a rand but caused a rand by accident)

D1 poll is actually kinda fun to look at

Epi on Seanzie

Guillo not paired with: falcon45ca, DrWilgy, pyxxy (this was the Guillo wagon)
Guillo could be paired with: Zenon, robyn (this was the tutuu wagon)

and now Zenon + Robyn-Kate are both voting for Guillo