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Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:36 pm
by Guillotine
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:29 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:27 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:13 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:11 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:09 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:07 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:02 pm

That why you're voting someone who landed on Sabie, with someone who voted on Seanzie?
Because bussing exists and Gavial is playing anti-town. Because i townread Mac and he does not qualify as saving Sabie like you guys do.
Mac had their vote on Seanzie way before the CFD.
Man, if you're town imma be pissed at this deliberate game throwing.
Why cant i just be a vig this game, to kill you and enjoy being responsible of your demise?

You are trolling again and i actually thought you were trying to play.

Dont engage with me.
Every other post you make calls me a game thrower, and you thought I was going to engage you in a serious conversation? :clap:
I mean, i will give you this, if you are a wolf here i will take the game throwing comment back be ause as a wolf you are playing to your win condition, but If you game throw in games where i play you cant expect not to be xalled game thrower and i dont think you'd change your ways so i would stop calling you that, no no no, you enjoy this. This game and all other games you play as town is always about you isnt?
Literally no one is talking about me except for you, this reality you live in only exists in your head.
Well it is my duty as town to make myself heard about you. It only takes a voice to ignite the flame, does it not?

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:38 pm
by Guillotine
sig wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:31 pm So my biggest issue right now is I don't have any super solid mafia reads.

I'm back and forth on Gullio, his low tunneling on me is a bit scummy and he's not doing much content wise just volume also there's this weird thing with naa which doesn't seem V/V unless I"m missing something? But, he was also pushing sabie for awhile if i recall correctly and Last phase I pegged him as tunneling towny which seems more right.

I think the LC read on jack has some merit, but with the amount of blocks, protects, eCt out there it isn't solid.

I think most likely mafia are laying low, maybe we've got one who voted to save sabie, but doubt it's more than that, and probably one on her wagon? I need to go backk and look at that lay out.

Also beginning to suspect Falcon given his under the radar playstyle and D1 flipflopping vote then avoidance of wagons.
So im townie because i tunneled Sabie but not for low tunneling you? So i cant be scum for hellbussing Sabie for example?

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:40 pm
by Guillotine
I just realized that all we have to do is to post

Moppph mppphhhh mmmphhhh to meet the posting quota and not get replaced!

The world we live in! Lol

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:41 pm
by sig
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:38 pm
sig wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:31 pm So my biggest issue right now is I don't have any super solid mafia reads.

I'm back and forth on Gullio, his low tunneling on me is a bit scummy and he's not doing much content wise just volume also there's this weird thing with naa which doesn't seem V/V unless I"m missing something? But, he was also pushing sabie for awhile if i recall correctly and Last phase I pegged him as tunneling towny which seems more right.

I think the LC read on jack has some merit, but with the amount of blocks, protects, eCt out there it isn't solid.

I think most likely mafia are laying low, maybe we've got one who voted to save sabie, but doubt it's more than that, and probably one on her wagon? I need to go backk and look at that lay out.

Also beginning to suspect Falcon given his under the radar playstyle and D1 flipflopping vote then avoidance of wagons.
So im townie because i tunneled Sabie but not for low tunneling you? So i cant be scum for hellbussing Sabie for example?
Well I know i'm civ and your reasoning for tunneling on me is god awful. Which imo is usually something mafia are more prone to do D0/1 since it lets them latch onto something, tunnel, do less gameplay wise, and then when someone misflips it's a meh.

So in theory you could be scum for bussing sabie, but given that it was Day 1, Sabie wasn't outted at that point, and there are only four mafia members hard bussins seems a bit less likely. That isn't to say no mafia members voted for her D1, but voting vs hard pushing is very different.

So I guess you'd be a slight town read? but probably my least confident one.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:42 pm
by falcon45ca
sig wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:31 pm So my biggest issue right now is I don't have any super solid mafia reads.

I'm back and forth on Gullio, his low tunneling on me is a bit scummy and he's not doing much content wise just volume also there's this weird thing with naa which doesn't seem V/V unless I"m missing something? But, he was also pushing sabie for awhile if i recall correctly and Last phase I pegged him as tunneling towny which seems more right.

I think the LC read on jack has some merit, but with the amount of blocks, protects, eCt out there it isn't solid.

I think most likely mafia are laying low, maybe we've got one who voted to save sabie, but doubt it's more than that, and probably one on her wagon? I need to go backk and look at that lay out.

Also beginning to suspect Falcon given his under the radar playstyle and D1 flipflopping vote then avoidance of wagons.
I'm under the radar? You've got fewer than 80 posts, kettle meet pot?

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:42 pm
by sig
I'd rather not lynch wilgy I mean I"ve seen him do this as civ and mafia, so while I'd feel like an idiot if we let mafia wilgy slide by doing nothing, It's usually more town wilgy to not be super series until needed.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:43 pm
by sig
falcon45ca wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:42 pm
sig wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:31 pm So my biggest issue right now is I don't have any super solid mafia reads.

I'm back and forth on Gullio, his low tunneling on me is a bit scummy and he's not doing much content wise just volume also there's this weird thing with naa which doesn't seem V/V unless I"m missing something? But, he was also pushing sabie for awhile if i recall correctly and Last phase I pegged him as tunneling towny which seems more right.

I think the LC read on jack has some merit, but with the amount of blocks, protects, eCt out there it isn't solid.

I think most likely mafia are laying low, maybe we've got one who voted to save sabie, but doubt it's more than that, and probably one on her wagon? I need to go backk and look at that lay out.

Also beginning to suspect Falcon given his under the radar playstyle and D1 flipflopping vote then avoidance of wagons.
I'm under the radar? You've got fewer than 80 posts, kettle meet pot?
:ninja:

Maybe we're both mafia. :p

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:43 pm
by NotAnAxehole
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:36 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:29 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:27 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:13 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:11 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:09 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:07 pm
Because bussing exists and Gavial is playing anti-town. Because i townread Mac and he does not qualify as saving Sabie like you guys do.
Mac had their vote on Seanzie way before the CFD.
Man, if you're town imma be pissed at this deliberate game throwing.
Why cant i just be a vig this game, to kill you and enjoy being responsible of your demise?

You are trolling again and i actually thought you were trying to play.

Dont engage with me.
Every other post you make calls me a game thrower, and you thought I was going to engage you in a serious conversation? :clap:
I mean, i will give you this, if you are a wolf here i will take the game throwing comment back be ause as a wolf you are playing to your win condition, but If you game throw in games where i play you cant expect not to be xalled game thrower and i dont think you'd change your ways so i would stop calling you that, no no no, you enjoy this. This game and all other games you play as town is always about you isnt?
Literally no one is talking about me except for you, this reality you live in only exists in your head.
Well it is my duty as town to make myself heard about you. It only takes a voice to ignite the flame, does it not?
Ah, so when you say it's all about me, you're projecting, this has been a good look into the psychology of one Guillotiny

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:43 pm
by sig
sig wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:43 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:42 pm
sig wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:31 pm So my biggest issue right now is I don't have any super solid mafia reads.

I'm back and forth on Gullio, his low tunneling on me is a bit scummy and he's not doing much content wise just volume also there's this weird thing with naa which doesn't seem V/V unless I"m missing something? But, he was also pushing sabie for awhile if i recall correctly and Last phase I pegged him as tunneling towny which seems more right.

I think the LC read on jack has some merit, but with the amount of blocks, protects, eCt out there it isn't solid.

I think most likely mafia are laying low, maybe we've got one who voted to save sabie, but doubt it's more than that, and probably one on her wagon? I need to go backk and look at that lay out.

Also beginning to suspect Falcon given his under the radar playstyle and D1 flipflopping vote then avoidance of wagons.
I'm under the radar? You've got fewer than 80 posts, kettle meet pot?
:ninja:

Maybe we're both mafia. :p
damn should've said

I go for quality not quantity thank you very much. :pout:

Lets just pretend I said that instead.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:45 pm
by Guillotine
sig wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:41 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:38 pm
sig wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:31 pm So my biggest issue right now is I don't have any super solid mafia reads.

I'm back and forth on Gullio, his low tunneling on me is a bit scummy and he's not doing much content wise just volume also there's this weird thing with naa which doesn't seem V/V unless I"m missing something? But, he was also pushing sabie for awhile if i recall correctly and Last phase I pegged him as tunneling towny which seems more right.

I think the LC read on jack has some merit, but with the amount of blocks, protects, eCt out there it isn't solid.

I think most likely mafia are laying low, maybe we've got one who voted to save sabie, but doubt it's more than that, and probably one on her wagon? I need to go backk and look at that lay out.

Also beginning to suspect Falcon given his under the radar playstyle and D1 flipflopping vote then avoidance of wagons.
So im townie because i tunneled Sabie but not for low tunneling you? So i cant be scum for hellbussing Sabie for example?
Well I know i'm civ and your reasoning for tunneling on me is god awful. Which imo is usually something mafia are more prone to do D0/1 since it lets them latch onto something, tunnel, do less gameplay wise, and then when someone misflips it's a meh.

So in theory you could be scum for bussing sabie, but given that it was Day 1, Sabie wasn't outted at that point, and there are only four mafia members hard bussins seems a bit less likely. That isn't to say no mafia members voted for her D1, but voting vs hard pushing is very different.

So I guess you'd be a slight town read? but probably my least confident one.
Im gonna pretend i dont scum read you to engage with you. Boom! That read is gone, the tunnel is vanished.

Sig, why do you think Sabie chose to chop Seanzie instead of chopping Gavial and you who were available wagons at the time?

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:46 pm
by Guillotine
sig wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:43 pm
sig wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:43 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:42 pm
sig wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:31 pm So my biggest issue right now is I don't have any super solid mafia reads.

I'm back and forth on Gullio, his low tunneling on me is a bit scummy and he's not doing much content wise just volume also there's this weird thing with naa which doesn't seem V/V unless I"m missing something? But, he was also pushing sabie for awhile if i recall correctly and Last phase I pegged him as tunneling towny which seems more right.

I think the LC read on jack has some merit, but with the amount of blocks, protects, eCt out there it isn't solid.

I think most likely mafia are laying low, maybe we've got one who voted to save sabie, but doubt it's more than that, and probably one on her wagon? I need to go backk and look at that lay out.

Also beginning to suspect Falcon given his under the radar playstyle and D1 flipflopping vote then avoidance of wagons.
I'm under the radar? You've got fewer than 80 posts, kettle meet pot?
:ninja:

Maybe we're both mafia. :p
damn should've said

I go for quality not quantity thank you very much. :pout:

Lets just pretend I said that instead.
Hmmm

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:50 pm
by Guillotine
sig wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:42 pm I'd rather not lynch wilgy I mean I"ve seen him do this as civ and mafia, so while I'd feel like an idiot if we let mafia wilgy slide by doing nothing, It's usually more town wilgy to not be super series until needed.
I mean i rather not lynch wilgy either. I just wished there was a day vig to solve our little problems.

If wilgy is town scum will not kill him because at this rate Wilgy will beckme PoE for not providing content.
And if Wilgy is scum, there is no way for us to determine that because he has not provided any sort of content thst will allow us to determine his that he is indeed scum.

Wilgy is getting away with not playing the game and it just takes two trash posts to survive in this game and not get bothered by the host.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:00 pm
by Gavial
MacDougall wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:21 am
Gavial wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:16 am
MacDougall wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:42 am @DrWilgy is probably always mafia here too fwiw.

Also think sig is pretty likely mafia.

Don't like Falcon either.
I honestly think Wilgy is very likely town due to the massive amount of Null he has and how much wolf equity others have and town equity other have.

I think Sig has been decently Townie so I don’t think it’s them.

Nanook - Jack - Falcon is there PoE
And if TSP/Marmot are alive during a later time in the game they both need to go.
ok I am town

now assume you know that for a second

what chance do you think there is a mafia voting for me right now between naa and wilgy?

keep in mind this is a high percentage read lol
7%.
Town is voting you over 90% of the time.
It’s happened to me before and it can happen to you as well.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:01 pm
by Gavial
Obviously 7% is just a round estimate but I’m basically trying to tell you it’s a low chance.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:02 pm
by Guillotine
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:43 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:36 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:29 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:27 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:13 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:11 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:09 pm

Man, if you're town imma be pissed at this deliberate game throwing.
Why cant i just be a vig this game, to kill you and enjoy being responsible of your demise?

You are trolling again and i actually thought you were trying to play.

Dont engage with me.
Every other post you make calls me a game thrower, and you thought I was going to engage you in a serious conversation? :clap:
I mean, i will give you this, if you are a wolf here i will take the game throwing comment back be ause as a wolf you are playing to your win condition, but If you game throw in games where i play you cant expect not to be xalled game thrower and i dont think you'd change your ways so i would stop calling you that, no no no, you enjoy this. This game and all other games you play as town is always about you isnt?
Literally no one is talking about me except for you, this reality you live in only exists in your head.
Well it is my duty as town to make myself heard about you. It only takes a voice to ignite the flame, does it not?
Ah, so when you say it's all about me, you're projecting, this has been a good look into the psychology of one Guillotiny
Im not projecting anything. Ive seen players like you before whose only joy is to troll people's games to get attention. Because it does not matter to you if other players talk bad about your play as long as they talk about you.

Do you know why i just think you are town?

Because you had no voice whatsoever during day 1 and you came out of nowhere to push on Seanzie. As town i wouldn't let you lead me to chop Seanzie so those who did had yo have had an agenda to save Sabie. Despite that i think you are a troll, i dont think you are stupid, so i dont think you would out yourself to save Sabie who was outted wolf on day 1 already. Why would you trade two scum (sabie and yourself) to try to save her? It is dumb and I dont think town is dumb enough to follow your lead there, so i think scum saw your CFD and took advantage of it with the premise that when Sabie flipped scum, you'd be the first to look bad from it. That is why i wanna chop those who jumped onto Seanzie during that CFD.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:03 pm
by falcon45ca
@MacDougall I've gone thru Dolby's ISO, and there's nothing that jumps out at me. GTH he's town

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:04 pm
by Gavial
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:46 am Anyways I should be hard cleared from being a sabie teammate tbh, I dont think I'd ever save a teammate then immediately turn around and have them do the n1 kill, especially in a game with so many potential blocks
Hmm honestly that’s a good point.
Like why would Sabie do the kill?
It makes more sense Sabie does the kill if Marmot is Mafia Watcher going for a Buss, but you know whatever.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:04 pm
by falcon45ca
[VOTE: Gav] aubergine

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:04 pm
by Gavial
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:55 am Dolby Falcon LimeCoke Mac has to contain a lot of wolves.
One or None, always Falcon if One.


What is your full reads btw?

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:06 pm
by Guillotine
Gavial wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:46 am Anyways I should be hard cleared from being a sabie teammate tbh, I dont think I'd ever save a teammate then immediately turn around and have them do the n1 kill, especially in a game with so many potential blocks
Hmm honestly that’s a good point.
Like why would Sabie do the kill?
It makes more sense Sabie does the kill if Marmot is Mafia Watcher going for a Buss, but you know whatever.
It is not a good point. Nanook would allow Sabie do the night kill because she was outted wolf already, better her than risking another teammate getting caught killing Dizzy.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:07 pm
by Gavial
falcon45ca wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:04 pm [VOTE: Gav] aubergine
Instead of voting me (and not the players roleblocked.) how about you answer my question and tell me who you “protected” last night.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:07 pm
by Gavial
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:06 pm
Gavial wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:46 am Anyways I should be hard cleared from being a sabie teammate tbh, I dont think I'd ever save a teammate then immediately turn around and have them do the n1 kill, especially in a game with so many potential blocks
Hmm honestly that’s a good point.
Like why would Sabie do the kill?
It makes more sense Sabie does the kill if Marmot is Mafia Watcher going for a Buss, but you know whatever.
It is not a good point. Nanook would allow Sabie do the night kill because she was outted wolf already, better her than risking another teammate getting caught killing Dizzy.
Ah yeah that makes sense.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:08 pm
by falcon45ca
Gavial wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:07 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:04 pm [VOTE: Gav] aubergine
Instead of voting me (and not the players roleblocked.) how about you answer my question and tell me who you “protected” last night.
I already have.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:08 pm
by Gavial
falcon45ca wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:46 am
Gavial wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:56 am
Dolby wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:55 am LC, it’s more likely that the kill got protected last night imo
@falcon45ca
Who did you medic last night?
Marmot
I’m Dumb.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:09 pm
by Gavial
But alright, you claim protected Marmot.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:09 pm
by falcon45ca
falcon45ca wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:46 am
Gavial wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:56 am
Dolby wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:55 am LC, it’s more likely that the kill got protected last night imo
@falcon45ca
Who did you medic last night?
Marmot
@Gavial

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:10 pm
by Gavial
Yeah IK, I found it.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:11 pm
by Gavial
I kinda want Jack to go over Nanook here.
Jack gives me Paranoia and has a wolf roll streak.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:13 pm
by Gavial
sig wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:43 pm
sig wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:43 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:42 pm
sig wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:31 pm So my biggest issue right now is I don't have any super solid mafia reads.

I'm back and forth on Gullio, his low tunneling on me is a bit scummy and he's not doing much content wise just volume also there's this weird thing with naa which doesn't seem V/V unless I"m missing something? But, he was also pushing sabie for awhile if i recall correctly and Last phase I pegged him as tunneling towny which seems more right.

I think the LC read on jack has some merit, but with the amount of blocks, protects, eCt out there it isn't solid.

I think most likely mafia are laying low, maybe we've got one who voted to save sabie, but doubt it's more than that, and probably one on her wagon? I need to go backk and look at that lay out.

Also beginning to suspect Falcon given his under the radar playstyle and D1 flipflopping vote then avoidance of wagons.
I'm under the radar? You've got fewer than 80 posts, kettle meet pot?
:ninja:

Maybe we're both mafia. :p
damn should've said

I go for quality not quantity thank you very much. :pout:

Lets just pretend I said that instead.
With this interaction Falcon!Wolf makes Sig!Town.
@Guillotine

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:13 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:06 pm
Gavial wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:46 am Anyways I should be hard cleared from being a sabie teammate tbh, I dont think I'd ever save a teammate then immediately turn around and have them do the n1 kill, especially in a game with so many potential blocks
Hmm honestly that’s a good point.
Like why would Sabie do the kill?
It makes more sense Sabie does the kill if Marmot is Mafia Watcher going for a Buss, but you know whatever.
It is not a good point. Nanook would allow Sabie do the night kill because she was outted wolf already, better her than risking another teammate getting caught killing Dizzy.
There are like 8 roleblocks this game lol, you can't have someone like sabie carry the kill n1

Frankly it's amazing that any team let her carry

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:13 pm
by Guillotine
Gavial wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:11 pm I kinda want Jack to go over Nanook here.
Jack gives me Paranoia and has a wolf roll streak.
That is OGI. It's an illegal read.

I have better reasons to chop Jack but his wolf streak is never one of them, that is dirty.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:15 pm
by Guillotine
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:45 pm
sig wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:41 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:38 pm
sig wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:31 pm So my biggest issue right now is I don't have any super solid mafia reads.

I'm back and forth on Gullio, his low tunneling on me is a bit scummy and he's not doing much content wise just volume also there's this weird thing with naa which doesn't seem V/V unless I"m missing something? But, he was also pushing sabie for awhile if i recall correctly and Last phase I pegged him as tunneling towny which seems more right.

I think the LC read on jack has some merit, but with the amount of blocks, protects, eCt out there it isn't solid.

I think most likely mafia are laying low, maybe we've got one who voted to save sabie, but doubt it's more than that, and probably one on her wagon? I need to go backk and look at that lay out.

Also beginning to suspect Falcon given his under the radar playstyle and D1 flipflopping vote then avoidance of wagons.
So im townie because i tunneled Sabie but not for low tunneling you? So i cant be scum for hellbussing Sabie for example?
Well I know i'm civ and your reasoning for tunneling on me is god awful. Which imo is usually something mafia are more prone to do D0/1 since it lets them latch onto something, tunnel, do less gameplay wise, and then when someone misflips it's a meh.

So in theory you could be scum for bussing sabie, but given that it was Day 1, Sabie wasn't outted at that point, and there are only four mafia members hard bussins seems a bit less likely. That isn't to say no mafia members voted for her D1, but voting vs hard pushing is very different.

So I guess you'd be a slight town read? but probably my least confident one.
Im gonna pretend i dont scum read you to engage with you. Boom! That read is gone, the tunnel is vanished.

Sig, why do you think Sabie chose to chop Seanzie instead of chopping Gavial and you who were available wagons at the time?
Gavial wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:13 pm
sig wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:43 pm
sig wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:43 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:42 pm
sig wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:31 pm So my biggest issue right now is I don't have any super solid mafia reads.

I'm back and forth on Gullio, his low tunneling on me is a bit scummy and he's not doing much content wise just volume also there's this weird thing with naa which doesn't seem V/V unless I"m missing something? But, he was also pushing sabie for awhile if i recall correctly and Last phase I pegged him as tunneling towny which seems more right.

I think the LC read on jack has some merit, but with the amount of blocks, protects, eCt out there it isn't solid.

I think most likely mafia are laying low, maybe we've got one who voted to save sabie, but doubt it's more than that, and probably one on her wagon? I need to go backk and look at that lay out.

Also beginning to suspect Falcon given his under the radar playstyle and D1 flipflopping vote then avoidance of wagons.
I'm under the radar? You've got fewer than 80 posts, kettle meet pot?
:ninja:

Maybe we're both mafia. :p
damn should've said

I go for quality not quantity thank you very much. :pout:

Lets just pretend I said that instead.
With this interaction Falcon!Wolf makes Sig!Town.
@Guillotine
I want Sig to answer the first quote though.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:21 pm
by Guillotine
falcon45ca wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:46 am
Gavial wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:56 am
Dolby wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:55 am LC, it’s more likely that the kill got protected last night imo
@falcon45ca
Who did you medic last night?
Marmot
Why would you claim this and let scum know that they can kill Marmot tonight?

A real medic never claims their targets unless they are at risk of getting chopped.

The fuck is this game?

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Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:25 pm
by NotAnAxehole
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:02 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:43 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:36 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:29 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:27 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:13 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:11 pm

Why cant i just be a vig this game, to kill you and enjoy being responsible of your demise?

You are trolling again and i actually thought you were trying to play.

Dont engage with me.
Every other post you make calls me a game thrower, and you thought I was going to engage you in a serious conversation? :clap:
I mean, i will give you this, if you are a wolf here i will take the game throwing comment back be ause as a wolf you are playing to your win condition, but If you game throw in games where i play you cant expect not to be xalled game thrower and i dont think you'd change your ways so i would stop calling you that, no no no, you enjoy this. This game and all other games you play as town is always about you isnt?
Literally no one is talking about me except for you, this reality you live in only exists in your head.
Well it is my duty as town to make myself heard about you. It only takes a voice to ignite the flame, does it not?
Ah, so when you say it's all about me, you're projecting, this has been a good look into the psychology of one Guillotiny
Im not projecting anything. Ive seen players like you before whose only joy is to troll people's games to get attention. Because it does not matter to you if other players talk bad about your play as long as they talk about you.

Do you know why i just think you are town?

Because you had no voice whatsoever during day 1 and you came out of nowhere to push on Seanzie. As town i wouldn't let you lead me to chop Seanzie so those who did had yo have had an agenda to save Sabie. Despite that i think you are a troll, i dont think you are stupid, so i dont think you would out yourself to save Sabie who was outted wolf on day 1 already. Why would you trade two scum (sabie and yourself) to try to save her? It is dumb and I dont think town is dumb enough to follow your lead there, so i think scum saw your CFD and took advantage of it with the premise that when Sabie flipped scum, you'd be the first to look bad from it. That is why i wanna chop those who jumped onto Seanzie during that CFD.
You're now projecting your dislike for me onto other players, also you're failing to consider players who are likely to CFD on anything. None of the votes that followed mine stood out as being weird or out of character.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:26 pm
by NotAnAxehole
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:13 pm
Gavial wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:11 pm I kinda want Jack to go over Nanook here.
Jack gives me Paranoia and has a wolf roll streak.
That is OGI. It's an illegal read.

I have better reasons to chop Jack but his wolf streak is never one of them, that is dirty.
It's not.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:27 pm
by NotAnAxehole
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:13 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:06 pm
Gavial wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:46 am Anyways I should be hard cleared from being a sabie teammate tbh, I dont think I'd ever save a teammate then immediately turn around and have them do the n1 kill, especially in a game with so many potential blocks
Hmm honestly that’s a good point.
Like why would Sabie do the kill?
It makes more sense Sabie does the kill if Marmot is Mafia Watcher going for a Buss, but you know whatever.
It is not a good point. Nanook would allow Sabie do the night kill because she was outted wolf already, better her than risking another teammate getting caught killing Dizzy.
There are like 8 roleblocks this game lol, you can't have someone like sabie carry the kill n1

Frankly it's amazing that any team let her carry
The only caveat is if you had a team that dismissed you - which is possible given your general easygoing-limited activity nature. Otherwise you're town.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:29 pm
by NotAnAxehole
I've concluded that Nanook and Mac are definitely not mafia together

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:32 pm
by Guillotine
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:25 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:02 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:43 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:36 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:29 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:27 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:13 pm

Every other post you make calls me a game thrower, and you thought I was going to engage you in a serious conversation? :clap:
I mean, i will give you this, if you are a wolf here i will take the game throwing comment back be ause as a wolf you are playing to your win condition, but If you game throw in games where i play you cant expect not to be xalled game thrower and i dont think you'd change your ways so i would stop calling you that, no no no, you enjoy this. This game and all other games you play as town is always about you isnt?
Literally no one is talking about me except for you, this reality you live in only exists in your head.
Well it is my duty as town to make myself heard about you. It only takes a voice to ignite the flame, does it not?
Ah, so when you say it's all about me, you're projecting, this has been a good look into the psychology of one Guillotiny
Im not projecting anything. Ive seen players like you before whose only joy is to troll people's games to get attention. Because it does not matter to you if other players talk bad about your play as long as they talk about you.

Do you know why i just think you are town?

Because you had no voice whatsoever during day 1 and you came out of nowhere to push on Seanzie. As town i wouldn't let you lead me to chop Seanzie so those who did had yo have had an agenda to save Sabie. Despite that i think you are a troll, i dont think you are stupid, so i dont think you would out yourself to save Sabie who was outted wolf on day 1 already. Why would you trade two scum (sabie and yourself) to try to save her? It is dumb and I dont think town is dumb enough to follow your lead there, so i think scum saw your CFD and took advantage of it with the premise that when Sabie flipped scum, you'd be the first to look bad from it. That is why i wanna chop those who jumped onto Seanzie during that CFD.
You're now projecting your dislike for me onto other players, also you're failing to consider players who are likely to CFD on anything. None of the votes that followed mine stood out as being weird or out of character.
I disagree. No competent townie would follow your lead there, you are their scapegoat.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:32 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:13 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:06 pm
Gavial wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:46 am Anyways I should be hard cleared from being a sabie teammate tbh, I dont think I'd ever save a teammate then immediately turn around and have them do the n1 kill, especially in a game with so many potential blocks
Hmm honestly that’s a good point.
Like why would Sabie do the kill?
It makes more sense Sabie does the kill if Marmot is Mafia Watcher going for a Buss, but you know whatever.
It is not a good point. Nanook would allow Sabie do the night kill because she was outted wolf already, better her than risking another teammate getting caught killing Dizzy.
There are like 8 roleblocks this game lol, you can't have someone like sabie carry the kill n1

Frankly it's amazing that any team let her carry
The only caveat is if you had a team that dismissed you - which is possible given your general easygoing-limited activity nature. Otherwise you're town.
Sure, but the people that applies to is pretty limited i think

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:34 pm
by NotAnAxehole
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:32 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:13 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:06 pm
Gavial wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:46 am Anyways I should be hard cleared from being a sabie teammate tbh, I dont think I'd ever save a teammate then immediately turn around and have them do the n1 kill, especially in a game with so many potential blocks
Hmm honestly that’s a good point.
Like why would Sabie do the kill?
It makes more sense Sabie does the kill if Marmot is Mafia Watcher going for a Buss, but you know whatever.
It is not a good point. Nanook would allow Sabie do the night kill because she was outted wolf already, better her than risking another teammate getting caught killing Dizzy.
There are like 8 roleblocks this game lol, you can't have someone like sabie carry the kill n1

Frankly it's amazing that any team let her carry
The only caveat is if you had a team that dismissed you - which is possible given your general easygoing-limited activity nature. Otherwise you're town.
Sure, but the people that applies to is pretty limited i think
So, I have to assume that based on my last game with Sabie, she would side with the 2 over the 1... I don't think it's as limiting as that given there are some hard heads in this game, buuut I think this is a situation where what you think matters more than what I think.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:36 pm
by NotAnAxehole
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:32 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:25 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:02 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:43 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:36 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:29 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:27 pm

I mean, i will give you this, if you are a wolf here i will take the game throwing comment back be ause as a wolf you are playing to your win condition, but If you game throw in games where i play you cant expect not to be xalled game thrower and i dont think you'd change your ways so i would stop calling you that, no no no, you enjoy this. This game and all other games you play as town is always about you isnt?
Literally no one is talking about me except for you, this reality you live in only exists in your head.
Well it is my duty as town to make myself heard about you. It only takes a voice to ignite the flame, does it not?
Ah, so when you say it's all about me, you're projecting, this has been a good look into the psychology of one Guillotiny
Im not projecting anything. Ive seen players like you before whose only joy is to troll people's games to get attention. Because it does not matter to you if other players talk bad about your play as long as they talk about you.

Do you know why i just think you are town?

Because you had no voice whatsoever during day 1 and you came out of nowhere to push on Seanzie. As town i wouldn't let you lead me to chop Seanzie so those who did had yo have had an agenda to save Sabie. Despite that i think you are a troll, i dont think you are stupid, so i dont think you would out yourself to save Sabie who was outted wolf on day 1 already. Why would you trade two scum (sabie and yourself) to try to save her? It is dumb and I dont think town is dumb enough to follow your lead there, so i think scum saw your CFD and took advantage of it with the premise that when Sabie flipped scum, you'd be the first to look bad from it. That is why i wanna chop those who jumped onto Seanzie during that CFD.
You're now projecting your dislike for me onto other players, also you're failing to consider players who are likely to CFD on anything. None of the votes that followed mine stood out as being weird or out of character.
I disagree. No competent townie would follow your lead there, you are their scapegoat.
Almost every game I've ever played people sheep me. Your judgement is just clouded, which will make it impossible for you to form reads.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:38 pm
by falcon45ca
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:21 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:46 am
Gavial wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:56 am
Dolby wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:55 am LC, it’s more likely that the kill got protected last night imo
@falcon45ca
Who did you medic last night?
Marmot
Why would you claim this and let scum know that they can kill Marmot tonight?

A real medic never claims their targets unless they are at risk of getting chopped.

The fuck is this game?

Image
Why do you assume I'm telling the truth?

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:38 pm
by NotAnAxehole
Also, why are people even talking about D1 as though it was a major CFD, Sabie never held a majority vote on D1. She peaked at 7/18 votes.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:45 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:34 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:32 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:13 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:06 pm
Gavial wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:46 am Anyways I should be hard cleared from being a sabie teammate tbh, I dont think I'd ever save a teammate then immediately turn around and have them do the n1 kill, especially in a game with so many potential blocks
Hmm honestly that’s a good point.
Like why would Sabie do the kill?
It makes more sense Sabie does the kill if Marmot is Mafia Watcher going for a Buss, but you know whatever.
It is not a good point. Nanook would allow Sabie do the night kill because she was outted wolf already, better her than risking another teammate getting caught killing Dizzy.
There are like 8 roleblocks this game lol, you can't have someone like sabie carry the kill n1

Frankly it's amazing that any team let her carry
The only caveat is if you had a team that dismissed you - which is possible given your general easygoing-limited activity nature. Otherwise you're town.
Sure, but the people that applies to is pretty limited i think
So, I have to assume that based on my last game with Sabie, she would side with the 2 over the 1... I don't think it's as limiting as that given there are some hard heads in this game, buuut I think this is a situation where what you think matters more than what I think.
Eh, i tend to think sabs would side with me, but im not sure how much this matters anyways

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:49 pm
by Gavial
Like what’s really odd to me is why wasn’t Sabie roleblocked and why would mafia let Sabie attack when they can easily be roleblocked?
Marmot bussing keeps making more and more sense which scares me and if Marmot is wolf, he just slanks until late game.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:49 pm
by NotAnAxehole
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:45 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:34 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:32 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:13 pm
Guillotine wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:06 pm
Gavial wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:04 pm

Hmm honestly that’s a good point.
Like why would Sabie do the kill?
It makes more sense Sabie does the kill if Marmot is Mafia Watcher going for a Buss, but you know whatever.
It is not a good point. Nanook would allow Sabie do the night kill because she was outted wolf already, better her than risking another teammate getting caught killing Dizzy.
There are like 8 roleblocks this game lol, you can't have someone like sabie carry the kill n1

Frankly it's amazing that any team let her carry
The only caveat is if you had a team that dismissed you - which is possible given your general easygoing-limited activity nature. Otherwise you're town.
Sure, but the people that applies to is pretty limited i think
So, I have to assume that based on my last game with Sabie, she would side with the 2 over the 1... I don't think it's as limiting as that given there are some hard heads in this game, buuut I think this is a situation where what you think matters more than what I think.
Eh, i tend to think sabs would side with me, but im not sure how much this matters anyways
It only becomes relevant if you come under fire. I tend to agree with your strategy of sheeping Marmot, but assuming Marmot either doesn't show up or is too boring to merit a sheep, what do you think of Lime Coke this game? Dolby? Mac? Falcon?

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:51 pm
by NotAnAxehole
Gavial wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:49 pm Like what’s really odd to me is why wasn’t Sabie roleblocked and why would mafia let Sabie attack when they can easily be roleblocked?
Marmot bussing keeps making more and more sense which scares me and if Marmot is wolf, he just slanks until late game.
What's odd to me is that I was roleblocked, I literally never agree to carry KP

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:52 pm
by Gavial
Dolby and Lime Coke are pretty damn Townie and they both claim roleblocker @NotAnAxehole

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:52 pm
by Gavial
NotAnAxehole wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:51 pm
Gavial wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:49 pm Like what’s really odd to me is why wasn’t Sabie roleblocked and why would mafia let Sabie attack when they can easily be roleblocked?
Marmot bussing keeps making more and more sense which scares me and if Marmot is wolf, he just slanks until late game.
What's odd to me is that I was roleblocked, I literally never agree to carry KP
Yeah but like, mafia still has abilities as they carry what we carry.

Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:52 pm
by NotAnAxehole
But Marmot is definitely town, there's no reason to bus that hard, and I don't see Marmot pulling that move.