The Syndicate

[VOTE: Bea] aubergine

I luvz ya. But you bad, gf.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 6:57 pm Idk I figured Vivax’s comment was more tongue in cheek. By saying the strategy out loud, it invalidates the next read he gives.

Anyway, bea is definitely town

RIP scotty, and wp! Yeah this.
It's a bit funny that sig and Kate commented on it as strategy thinking I was seriously considering doing that

Fyi, it appears we can still move the votes.

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:44 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 6:57 pm Idk I figured Vivax’s comment was more tongue in cheek. By saying the strategy out loud, it invalidates the next read he gives.

Anyway, bea is definitely town

RIP scotty, and wp! Yeah this.
It's a bit funny that sig and Kate commented on it as strategy thinking I was seriously considering doing that

Yea, it took me a few different takes on it bf I even understood what you were saying. But it's funny that I asked, as opposed to funny that you'd say it at all? I don't think so.

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:45 pm Fyi, it appears we can still move the votes.

Good to know, thanks. I volunteer to start a counterwagon (which may or may not be the person I'd currently vote if it were EoD)

[VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:48 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:45 pm Fyi, it appears we can still move the votes.

Good to know, thanks. I volunteer to start a counterwagon (which may or may not be the person I'd currently vote if it were EoD)

[VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine

G-man treated DFaraday like somebody he wanted to eliminate when the opportunity arose. I do not think they were teammates.

Why start a counterwagon on a low poster? What would that accomplish?

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:47 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:44 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 6:57 pm Idk I figured Vivax’s comment was more tongue in cheek. By saying the strategy out loud, it invalidates the next read he gives.

Anyway, bea is definitely town

RIP scotty, and wp! Yeah this.
It's a bit funny that sig and Kate commented on it as strategy thinking I was seriously considering doing that

Yea, it took me a few different takes on it bf I even understood what you were saying. But it's funny that I asked, as opposed to funny that you'd say it at all? I don't think so.

If the outcome is funny I am pleased with the result in either case :-)

p-edit @S-V-S:

I have laid out how I saw reason to be suspicious of DFara from his D3 post.

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:44 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 6:57 pm Idk I figured Vivax’s comment was more tongue in cheek. By saying the strategy out loud, it invalidates the next read he gives.

Anyway, bea is definitely town

RIP scotty, and wp! Yeah this.
It's a bit funny that sig and Kate commented on it as strategy thinking I was seriously considering doing that

I’ve played with some VERY zany people before and you didn’t have any emojis sooooo rip me

Imma say voting DF is a waste of time right now I’d prefer Quin or Bea

Also Scotty’s death is making me tinfoil a world where Sloonie is Mafia much more

Mmm... Bea...

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:08 pmMmm... Bea...

I can hear your tongue flapping from over here

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:27 pm I’m entirely unsurprised the lynch was switched but glad it was to a good target. Vivax being Indy makes a tonne of sense in hindsight.

I was going a bit over Golden again and am now puzzled why it‘s unsurprising to him that the lynch was switched.

Old matter, I know. But am left wondering if this isn‘t a slip about Eloh and Sloon being town, if they are.

Sloon are still as absolutely certain on Quin as you have been thus far?

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:42 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:27 pm I’m entirely unsurprised the lynch was switched but glad it was to a good target. Vivax being Indy makes a tonne of sense in hindsight.

I was going a bit over Golden again and am now puzzled why it‘s unsurprising to him that the lynch was switched.

Old matter, I know. But am left wondering if this isn‘t a slip about Eloh and Sloon being town, if they are.

Do you have a solid theory about why the lynch was switched?

Sig looks townie to me. Latest posts are of a good vibe. Appreciate the occasional joke on the side.

Quin I just realized had questions I didn‘t answer yet (sorry about that, I‘m a bit erratic at times), but I can almost sense an odd disappointment at not being read as scum. Or maybe I‘m just imagining it.

Seems to be opinionated enough to be town for today imo.
I am maybe biased in reading boldness that superficially look bad as a townie thing. Bea‘s late vote feels like such a thing.

But I think SVS mentioned it‘s more of a NAI thing for her.

p-edit: Hmm, I don‘t. I could try to guess who revolution mafia is. I have an idea, but even if correct, calling the switch unsurprising suggests you work from a framework where you can be more confident about what transpired, which is mafia indicative.

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:21 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:33 pm @Quin I probably missed it but can you walk me through the following

1. You’re Kate vote
2. Why Sig is the most amazing player ever (500 word minimum with 3 sources formatted in APA)
3. Who post Gman flip you think the mafia team is


@Elohcin Walk me through why you think Sheepers are more likely to be mafia and what your current thoughts are on the more sheepy players please.

@DFaraday if you could just give some quick general thoughts that would be great

@Scotty pay attention to me and my jokey posts + what do you think about Golden right now?

Me too, particularly, 1 and 3... If I'm remembering correctly, I don't think you even put it in the thread that you were voting for me. So what's up? I was to busy yesterday Halloweening to come ask.

PS you guys are FUNNY. Im loling all day today.

You know why I voted for you.

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:49 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:45 am

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:06 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:08 am I've never played with Kate. Hi Kate!

Kate has been generating reads, but the vast majority of them are developed in reaction to other's posts. Very little proactive scum hunting is happening. I'm seeing this as a scum doing the rounds to respond to lots of prompts, but not generating anything new of her own accord.

Can you comment on this, @Kate ?

I don't think operating off of others' leads is alignment indicative; that's typically how I play regardless of alignment.

I can understand that it's NAI for you. I'd even agree with it.

I want Kate to tell me why it's not alignment indicative for her.

Hi, I'm here and reading along but I'm going to be pretty busy until at least 3 pm today. I have noted your question and I will get back to you.

Waiting for you to get back to me.

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:16 pm Sig looks townie to me. Latest posts are of a good vibe. Appreciate the occasional joke on the side.

Quin I just realized had questions I didn‘t answer yet (sorry about that, I‘m a bit erratic at times), but I can almost sense an odd disappointment at not being read as scum. Or maybe I‘m just imagining it.

Seems to be opinionated enough to be town for today imo.
I am maybe biased in reading boldness that superficially look bad as a townie thing. Bea‘s late vote feels like such a thing.

But I think SVS mentioned it‘s more of a NAI thing for her.

p-edit: Hmm, I don‘t. I could try to guess who revolution mafia is. I have an idea, but even if correct, calling the switch unsurprising suggests you work from a framework where you can be more confident about what transpired, which is mafia indicative.

What does this mean?

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:27 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:24 pm I’m gonna go ahead and vote for Quin.

Silly sig never mind

Why aren't you voting for Quin now?

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:16 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:21 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:33 pm @Quin I probably missed it but can you walk me through the following

1. You’re Kate vote
2. Why Sig is the most amazing player ever (500 word minimum with 3 sources formatted in APA)
3. Who post Gman flip you think the mafia team is


@Elohcin Walk me through why you think Sheepers are more likely to be mafia and what your current thoughts are on the more sheepy players please.

@DFaraday if you could just give some quick general thoughts that would be great

@Scotty pay attention to me and my jokey posts + what do you think about Golden right now?

Me too, particularly, 1 and 3... If I'm remembering correctly, I don't think you even put it in the thread that you were voting for me. So what's up? I was to busy yesterday Halloweening to come ask.

PS you guys are FUNNY. Im loling all day today.

You know why I voted for you.

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:49 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:45 am

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:06 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:08 am I've never played with Kate. Hi Kate!

Kate has been generating reads, but the vast majority of them are developed in reaction to other's posts. Very little proactive scum hunting is happening. I'm seeing this as a scum doing the rounds to respond to lots of prompts, but not generating anything new of her own accord.

Can you comment on this, @Kate ?

I don't think operating off of others' leads is alignment indicative; that's typically how I play regardless of alignment.

I can understand that it's NAI for you. I'd even agree with it.

I want Kate to tell me why it's not alignment indicative for her.

Hi, I'm here and reading along but I'm going to be pretty busy until at least 3 pm today. I have noted your question and I will get back to you.

Waiting for you to get back to me.

I have no idea why you voted for me.

I have addressed the way I play at length, just not in direct response to your question. I'll pull up my posts and quote them, maybe they will answer your inquiry.

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 3:46 pm Can't really spot any concerted effort to save G-Man around End of Day.
Bea vote sticks out as townie, at first glance. I think for a Feb team that doesn't want to stick out too much voting together to save him, G-Man is the more logical choice. With the best choice being to vote off both wagons.
Michelle feels less opinionated than during D1. The DFaraday push could be such an attempt at placing a vote away from G-Man and also not Sloonei.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:58 pm Tokang thu ployurs frem thu lewust pesturs
Whot thu censunsis epanaen obeit Forodoy?

Has Ase as smoll, centoans o fuw ruods ond sulf muto soyang hu weild pest meru os o welf

DFaraday wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:50 pm I don't suspect either G-Man or Sloonei, and I won't be able to read the cases on them before the vote closes, so I will go ahead and move my vote to Michelle, on the grounds that I feel less town about her than anyone else really. As in, nothing has stood out as civ.

It's a weird interaction between these two, actually. It's really not the angle most of the game was looking at, and they seem to feel a bit too safe in this bubble where they push each other. DFara openly admits to not reading the reasons behind the wagons, but somehow finds Michelle interesting enough to read. Maybe he was just reading whoever was pushing him, but then he'd have had to read the thread?

The banger here is that Michelle didn't vote, so for DF to notice her, he'd also have had to run into posts describing reasons behind the main wagons. So this could be grounds to campaign for a DF lynch tomorrow, as it feels like he's lying here about what he read.

There was a big upheaval in sig voters switching to Sloonei towards EoD. If there was an attempt at a save, that was it.

Noting you also voted for him at one point, what do you think of those who voted for sig yesterday?

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:01 pm Sloon are still as absolutely certain on Quin as you have been thus far?

No.

@Quin
It‘s because you questioned me about which posts I was reading you town off. In contrast to that you seemed to be less interested into scumreads on you.

It spells...Interesting intention. But it seems to be an unlikely mindset for mafia as they are more conscious about people scumreading them.

The ideal outcome for a mafia aligned player is to change a lynch to civs being a threat to them.

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 11:11 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 11:02 am

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:52 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:47 am Fingersplints ffs.

That said, I think I want a Kate CW as being lone bea voter isn‘t going to get us far.

It‘s also not an unlikely pairing with Sloonei if the latter is indeed mafia.

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

Huh? Now I'm really confused. You want me to what?

Have reads on display a tad more openly.
It‘s D3, we should be panicking or something. Plenty of time for slow starters to amp it up.

But every EoD outcome has felt largely random and the players who voted aggressively are being taken out.

I‘m open to the possibility that you are town but I don‘t see lots of efforts going on to sell the wagon you are voting.

p-edit: I‘m the bea voter, kate

I'm really honestly making a good faith effort to play the new style more than what I'm used to. You'll see uptrend there was a discussion about OGs (Which i prefer to old school or relic lol) keeping your reads close to your chest. Also, I made the first multi quote posts I've ever made. I'm doing my best to follow the new regime.

This is the first time I've been exposed to a rainbow list. That is something that never would have been done in the past. It would have been seen as target painting.

@Quin

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:30 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:01 pm Sloon are still as absolutely certain on Quin as you have been thus far?

No.

Why not?

Do you have any thoughts on why he'd vote me yesterday, without putting anything about his vote in the thread?

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:30 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:01 pm Sloon are still as absolutely certain on Quin as you have been thus far?

No.

Why not?

Do you have any thoughts on why he'd vote me yesterday, without putting anything about his vote in the thread?

I did.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:53 am [VOTE: Kate] aubergine

I have untangled the spaghetti and Kate looks the worst. Wilgy and G-Man are also on the table for me.

Just so you're aware, claiming votes in the thread is (or was? I don't know if new people are doing it) a common courtesy we give the hosts in case there are issues with the poll and they ever need to manually track the order or number of votes. Not claiming their vote is not something I would expect an old timer to ever do as an in-game strategy thing - they most likely just forgot.

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:30 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:01 pm Sloon are still as absolutely certain on Quin as you have been thus far?

No.

Why not?

Do you have any thoughts on why he'd vote me yesterday, without putting anything about his vote in the thread?

He doesn’t look squeaky clean in G-man’s posts.

I do not have thoughts on Quin’s Day 3 vote. I didn’t take much note of it. @Quin care to weigh in?

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:31 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 11:11 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 11:02 am

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:52 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:47 am Fingersplints ffs.

That said, I think I want a Kate CW as being lone bea voter isn‘t going to get us far.

It‘s also not an unlikely pairing with Sloonei if the latter is indeed mafia.

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

Huh? Now I'm really confused. You want me to what?

Have reads on display a tad more openly.
It‘s D3, we should be panicking or something. Plenty of time for slow starters to amp it up.

But every EoD outcome has felt largely random and the players who voted aggressively are being taken out.

I‘m open to the possibility that you are town but I don‘t see lots of efforts going on to sell the wagon you are voting.

p-edit: I‘m the bea voter, kate

I'm really honestly making a good faith effort to play the new style more than what I'm used to. You'll see uptrend there was a discussion about OGs (Which i prefer to old school or relic lol) keeping your reads close to your chest. Also, I made the first multi quote posts I've ever made. I'm doing my best to follow the new regime.

This is the first time I've been exposed to a rainbow list. That is something that never would have been done in the past. It would have been seen as target painting.

@Quin

I asked you to tell me why I shouldn't scum read you for your type of engagement in the thread so far. You don't need to multi quote or make rainbow lists to do that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:40 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:30 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:01 pm Sloon are still as absolutely certain on Quin as you have been thus far?

No.

Why not?

Do you have any thoughts on why he'd vote me yesterday, without putting anything about his vote in the thread?

He doesn’t look squeaky clean in G-man’s posts.

I do not have thoughts on Quin’s Day 3 vote. I didn’t take much note of it. @Quin care to weigh in?

I've said it multiple ways by now. Kate is not genuinely engaged in the hunt.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:29 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 3:46 pm Can't really spot any concerted effort to save G-Man around End of Day.
Bea vote sticks out as townie, at first glance. I think for a Feb team that doesn't want to stick out too much voting together to save him, G-Man is the more logical choice. With the best choice being to vote off both wagons.
Michelle feels less opinionated than during D1. The DFaraday push could be such an attempt at placing a vote away from G-Man and also not Sloonei.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:58 pm Tokang thu ployurs frem thu lewust pesturs
Whot thu censunsis epanaen obeit Forodoy?

Has Ase as smoll, centoans o fuw ruods ond sulf muto soyang hu weild pest meru os o welf

DFaraday wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:50 pm I don't suspect either G-Man or Sloonei, and I won't be able to read the cases on them before the vote closes, so I will go ahead and move my vote to Michelle, on the grounds that I feel less town about her than anyone else really. As in, nothing has stood out as civ.

It's a weird interaction between these two, actually. It's really not the angle most of the game was looking at, and they seem to feel a bit too safe in this bubble where they push each other. DFara openly admits to not reading the reasons behind the wagons, but somehow finds Michelle interesting enough to read. Maybe he was just reading whoever was pushing him, but then he'd have had to read the thread?

The banger here is that Michelle didn't vote, so for DF to notice her, he'd also have had to run into posts describing reasons behind the main wagons. So this could be grounds to campaign for a DF lynch tomorrow, as it feels like he's lying here about what he read.

There was a big upheaval in sig voters switching to Sloonei towards EoD. If there was an attempt at a save, that was it.

Noting you also voted for him at one point, what do you think of those who voted for sig yesterday?

Those were Kate, me and...Golden perhaps? I‘m on phone chillposting from bed but got the VC saved elsewhere.

I think sig voters are heroes cause I wasn‘t understanding half of what he wrote but had fun reading it.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:39 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:30 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:01 pm Sloon are still as absolutely certain on Quin as you have been thus far?

No.

Why not?

Do you have any thoughts on why he'd vote me yesterday, without putting anything about his vote in the thread?

I did.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:53 am [VOTE: Kate] aubergine

I have untangled the spaghetti and Kate looks the worst. Wilgy and G-Man are also on the table for me.

Just so you're aware, claiming votes in the thread is (or was? I don't know if new people are doing it) a common courtesy we give the hosts in case there are issues with the poll and they ever need to manually track the order or number of votes. Not claiming their vote is not something I would expect an old timer to ever do as an in-game strategy thing - they most likely just forgot.

Sorry totally missed that.

I can't remember specifically but I think putting your vote in the thread was a requirement back in the day.

I thought it was easy to decipher sig's posts.

Thanks for the quesadilla recipe, btw.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:47 pm I thought it was easy to decipher sig's posts.

Thanks for the quesadilla recipe, btw.

Mostly. I think sig will be my new llama or scotty for today‘s dayphase, as in a player I trust enough to follow their vote around.

I liked the the ogling towards Golden there in the bog bog pust

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:41 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:31 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 11:11 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 11:02 am

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:52 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:47 am Fingersplints ffs.

That said, I think I want a Kate CW as being lone bea voter isn‘t going to get us far.

It‘s also not an unlikely pairing with Sloonei if the latter is indeed mafia.

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

Huh? Now I'm really confused. You want me to what?

Have reads on display a tad more openly.
It‘s D3, we should be panicking or something. Plenty of time for slow starters to amp it up.

But every EoD outcome has felt largely random and the players who voted aggressively are being taken out.

I‘m open to the possibility that you are town but I don‘t see lots of efforts going on to sell the wagon you are voting.

p-edit: I‘m the bea voter, kate

I'm really honestly making a good faith effort to play the new style more than what I'm used to. You'll see uptrend there was a discussion about OGs (Which i prefer to old school or relic lol) keeping your reads close to your chest. Also, I made the first multi quote posts I've ever made. I'm doing my best to follow the new regime.

This is the first time I've been exposed to a rainbow list. That is something that never would have been done in the past. It would have been seen as target painting.

@Quin

I asked you to tell me why I shouldn't scum read you for your type of engagement in the thread so far. You don't need to multi quote or make rainbow lists to do that.

My type of engagement has always been to hold things closer to my chest than to make a wall of text. It's just always been the way I've played. I'd usually talk about my biggest suspicion, and pretty much never talk about more than 1 at a time. If you died in our games, you lose. I was trying to baddie hunt while also trying to NOT get nk'd. Does that clarify it a little?

I think it's more than a little obvious that I'm "town," as y'all would say, at this point in the game. Are you looking to get something from me or are you actually suspecting me?

Hiding your hand is one way of surviving as town.
Being very wrong and annoying or very entertaining for the mafia is another. As long as town doesn‘t try to get your head on a spike.

Definitely interesting rule of old to only win when alive but explains a lot of styles I didn‘t understand at first.

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:52 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:41 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:31 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 11:11 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 11:02 am

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:52 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:47 am Fingersplints ffs.

That said, I think I want a Kate CW as being lone bea voter isn‘t going to get us far.

It‘s also not an unlikely pairing with Sloonei if the latter is indeed mafia.

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

Huh? Now I'm really confused. You want me to what?

Have reads on display a tad more openly.
It‘s D3, we should be panicking or something. Plenty of time for slow starters to amp it up.

But every EoD outcome has felt largely random and the players who voted aggressively are being taken out.

I‘m open to the possibility that you are town but I don‘t see lots of efforts going on to sell the wagon you are voting.

p-edit: I‘m the bea voter, kate

I'm really honestly making a good faith effort to play the new style more than what I'm used to. You'll see uptrend there was a discussion about OGs (Which i prefer to old school or relic lol) keeping your reads close to your chest. Also, I made the first multi quote posts I've ever made. I'm doing my best to follow the new regime.

This is the first time I've been exposed to a rainbow list. That is something that never would have been done in the past. It would have been seen as target painting.

@Quin

I asked you to tell me why I shouldn't scum read you for your type of engagement in the thread so far. You don't need to multi quote or make rainbow lists to do that.

My type of engagement has always been to hold things closer to my chest than to make a wall of text. It's just always been the way I've played. I'd usually talk about my biggest suspicion, and pretty much never talk about more than 1 at a time. If you died in our games, you lose. I was trying to baddie hunt while also trying to NOT get nk'd. Does that clarify it a little?

I think it's more than a little obvious that I'm "town," as y'all would say, at this point in the game. Are you looking to get something from me or are you actually suspecting me?

It does clarify it. Thank you.

I was 'looking' for an explanation for your engagement, which you've probably done as best as you can here. I'm not in a mind to dump a vote on you and run off, at any rate.

Did you have anything to say about the Sloonei wagon yesterday?

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:00 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:52 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:41 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:31 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 11:11 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 11:02 am

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:52 am

Huh? Now I'm really confused. You want me to what?

Have reads on display a tad more openly.
It‘s D3, we should be panicking or something. Plenty of time for slow starters to amp it up.

But every EoD outcome has felt largely random and the players who voted aggressively are being taken out.

I‘m open to the possibility that you are town but I don‘t see lots of efforts going on to sell the wagon you are voting.

p-edit: I‘m the bea voter, kate

I'm really honestly making a good faith effort to play the new style more than what I'm used to. You'll see uptrend there was a discussion about OGs (Which i prefer to old school or relic lol) keeping your reads close to your chest. Also, I made the first multi quote posts I've ever made. I'm doing my best to follow the new regime.

This is the first time I've been exposed to a rainbow list. That is something that never would have been done in the past. It would have been seen as target painting.

@Quin

I asked you to tell me why I shouldn't scum read you for your type of engagement in the thread so far. You don't need to multi quote or make rainbow lists to do that.

My type of engagement has always been to hold things closer to my chest than to make a wall of text. It's just always been the way I've played. I'd usually talk about my biggest suspicion, and pretty much never talk about more than 1 at a time. If you died in our games, you lose. I was trying to baddie hunt while also trying to NOT get nk'd. Does that clarify it a little?

I think it's more than a little obvious that I'm "town," as y'all would say, at this point in the game. Are you looking to get something from me or are you actually suspecting me?

It does clarify it. Thank you.

I was 'looking' for an explanation for your engagement, which you've probably done as best as you can here. I'm not in a mind to dump a vote on you and run off, at any rate.

Did you have anything to say about the Sloonei wagon yesterday?

Ok. In attempt to really play new school I'll do it. I think sloonei is dead red. Or at least a more important bad role than OT Green. I don't see any other explaination for gmans behavior and vote.

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:04 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:00 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:52 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:41 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:31 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 11:11 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 11:02 am

Have reads on display a tad more openly.
It‘s D3, we should be panicking or something. Plenty of time for slow starters to amp it up.

But every EoD outcome has felt largely random and the players who voted aggressively are being taken out.

I‘m open to the possibility that you are town but I don‘t see lots of efforts going on to sell the wagon you are voting.

p-edit: I‘m the bea voter, kate

I'm really honestly making a good faith effort to play the new style more than what I'm used to. You'll see uptrend there was a discussion about OGs (Which i prefer to old school or relic lol) keeping your reads close to your chest. Also, I made the first multi quote posts I've ever made. I'm doing my best to follow the new regime.

This is the first time I've been exposed to a rainbow list. That is something that never would have been done in the past. It would have been seen as target painting.

@Quin

I asked you to tell me why I shouldn't scum read you for your type of engagement in the thread so far. You don't need to multi quote or make rainbow lists to do that.

My type of engagement has always been to hold things closer to my chest than to make a wall of text. It's just always been the way I've played. I'd usually talk about my biggest suspicion, and pretty much never talk about more than 1 at a time. If you died in our games, you lose. I was trying to baddie hunt while also trying to NOT get nk'd. Does that clarify it a little?

I think it's more than a little obvious that I'm "town," as y'all would say, at this point in the game. Are you looking to get something from me or are you actually suspecting me?

It does clarify it. Thank you.

I was 'looking' for an explanation for your engagement, which you've probably done as best as you can here. I'm not in a mind to dump a vote on you and run off, at any rate.

Did you have anything to say about the Sloonei wagon yesterday?

Ok. In attempt to really play new school I'll do it. I think sloonei is dead red. Or at least a more important bad role than OT Green. I don't see any other explaination for gmans behavior and vote.

Is Sloonei scum based on G-Man's posts/votes or do you think he's bad independently?

Someone plz send help. I've had the damn cyberpunk edgerunners OST playing in my head all day. I'm going to go insane.

I didn't have much of an opinion on him before the vote went down yesterday. I was planning to leave it alone until we got through the bea vote, honestly.

That was the most bizarre lynch I can't think of an alternate reasoning for it other than they were caught with 2 wagons going. I also think they may have known that one of the votes on sloonei didn't count bc of that other role that has a non player vote.

Ok I just got the baby to sleep. I'll follow up on this tomorrow.

Gn all.

Just vote for me after bea. I’ll do my ISOs and leave behind what I can.

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:16 pm Sig looks townie to me. Latest posts are of a good vibe. Appreciate the occasional joke on the side.

Quin I just realized had questions I didn‘t answer yet (sorry about that, I‘m a bit erratic at times), but I can almost sense an odd disappointment at not being read as scum. Or maybe I‘m just imagining it.

Seems to be opinionated enough to be town for today imo.
I am maybe biased in reading boldness that superficially look bad as a townie thing. Bea‘s late vote feels like such a thing.

But I think SVS mentioned it‘s more of a NAI thing for her.

p-edit: Hmm, I don‘t. I could try to guess who revolution mafia is. I have an idea, but even if correct, calling the switch unsurprising suggests you work from a framework where you can be more confident about what transpired, which is mafia indicative.

How much role madness have you played?

Also, yes, I thought you had an idea who rev mafia is. I have an idea who it is too. Pretty confident your idea and my idea are the same. And if that person is ever under lynch pressure, you will see me defend them hard.

To be honest it was a complete shock to me that every single person didn’t count out of day one with a consensus read on who rev mafia is. I think it’s fucking obvious.

@Scotty or @thellama73 you should try asking for a rez pls

Bea -> G-man Interactions
Already talked about the flip side of this interaction in my previous wall. I think it looks like textbook teammate fluff banter. Bad look for Bea.
G-man is one of the players she is most familiar with. Noted.

That is the extent of their interactions while G-man was alive, unless I'm missing something. But I just triple checked. Not great.
Bea does contribute to some postmortem G discussions here. I snipped the relevant bit:

bea wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 7:22 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:15 am Addendum to the post about why G Mans bad team wouldn’t try to lynch someone else.

This is driving me nuts. I’m trying to figure out why a bad team wouldn’t try to start a third wagon if both Sloon and G were bad, or try harder to pile on Sloonei if only G was bad.

Maybe he was alone, or only had one teammate there? Like others were low posters or had time zone issues?

Because I’ve been playing Mafia a long time and have never seen a baddie with an alternative train do … nothing. I’m spitballing about maybe low posters etc because I just don’t understand Gs behavior

It was this behavior that baffeled me eod. Basically, it put just enough doubt in my mind that the lynch was potentially civ v civ again. I was super wrong. But I trying my hardest.

I am not buying this at all. Bea gave no indication that G-man's behavior influenced her at all, or that she even had a preference between the two options (G-man & I). Here are the posts she made around the time of her vote:

bea wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:34 pm I am a confused and no lies feel like any vote I make is rushed and illinformed.

Also i missed why svs voted sloon? It looked in the thread like she sused gman.

bea wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:35 pm Dgoing with the tie. I hope rev knows better than i do.

Bea shows up to the thread as time is winding down and chucks a blind vote onto me for the sake of creating a tie. This vote is bad in every which way and I don't think I need to analyze it any further than it already has been. I'm only pointing out here to highlight the point that I do not believe Bea when she says G-man's EoD behavior put doubt in her mind.

If B is not G's teammate, I'll eat all of your shoes.

DFaraday -> G-man DF gives G-man an unsubstantiated town read, along with Scotty. He cites "tone" for each of them. Okay then.
G-man asks DF to justify his LoRab vote, and DF responds with a direct citation. Solid response. DF's response to G here tells me very little, but (as I said in my previous post), I think G-man's treatment of him here looks like a mafioso in search of more "suspects" to push.
DF abstains from yesterday's vote because he suspects neither of the two main candidates. Fine. His town read on G-man is at least consistent, although he never quite articulated why it existed. This is not the worst, but there is nothing in DF's posts that counts as "good" either. Inconclusive.

DH -> G-man
Fluff

This post contains several ISOs, including one of G-man. DH offers a relatively unfavorable view of G-man, criticizing his inconsistent and hypocritical approach to Day 1. Not a bad look. Let's see how much it is followed up on.
DH doesn't know how many mafia teams there are, and also is commenting on Bea and G-man buddying. I can go either way with this. I think the belief that there were two teams is genuine, but I don't necessarily see that as a "townslip". I also don't think it's impossible that he is softly defending two teammates here. However, there is also an argument to be made that Mafia DH may not stick his neck out for Mafia Bea and Mafia G in one post like this. Especially when he has already been critical of G-man elsewhere. Let's keep going.
Noted.
G-man is in DH's list of Day 1 suspects. I highlighted the dead players according to their alignments. On the one hand, it's encouraging that G-man is named here. On the other, this list contains five names. The rule of salad dictates that a list of five players probably contains at least one teammate.
He follows through with a vote. i dig it.
DH feels jilted by G-man's lack of attention paid to his case. I'll tentatively call this a good look, though I wouldn't put it past DH to stage something like this. I believe he is capable of elaborate theatrics.
DH elects not to elaborate on why he chose G-man over another strong suspicion (Scotty) on Day 1. Noted.
G-man gets an incidental mention. Noted.
He continues to feel spurned by G-man.
DH defends his handling of G-man when it is suggested that he has not built off his early. Noted. At this point, I think DH's emotions had overtaken him and he was more focused on refuting criticism than developing reads, so I'm hesitant to read too much into this as to how it reflects on the DH->G-man dynamic.
This is a post that exists.
We have reached a total communication breakdown at this point. I'm not going to bother to highlight any future posts like this one.
Throws some snark at G-man's tiered reads list. The criticism of G-man is certainly an aspect of this post worth weighing. But I feel this post is more of a passive-aggressive dig at others than it is an act of aggression against G-man. Still, I don't think it's a bad look for DH as far as his alignment goes.
Short comment about G-man, still wants him to respond to his now-somewhat-outdated case against him.
I agree with part of this list. Salad Law still applies, though.
As I said before, I think the fact that G-man felt compelled to apologize to DH here is a good look for him. If they are teammates, this whole exchange probably never happens. Combined with DH's consistent, though stagnant, suspicion of G-man throughout his time in the game, there are certainly some points in his favor here. But there are also a few points that look really bad for DH in G-man's ISO.

I also feel that DH's frustration was genuine. While that made it difficult to assess some of his content as it pertains to G-man, I do think it is a good look for him as far as his alignment is concerned. I might be willing to call this slow a light town read, but with a few major concerns still lingering.

I'll get to the SVS portion later. It's nearly 2 AM again.

Actually SVS's ISO from the time G-man was alive is relatively short, so:

Here she provides some sharp criticism of his play. Cool, noted. I do appreciate the read and would ordinarily give her very good marks for it. But a mid-game sub always has the potential to have formed reads before entering. At the very least, this is not a bad look for SVS.
This is not a bad observation. I dig it. And it's fresh, so she gets more credit this time.
SVS votes for G-man. Cool. But...
SVS would eventually vote for me over G-man. She's already explained that this was more tactical than due to a preference for me over G-man. But even with that explanation, I can't simply look past the fact that she voted on the wrong wagon when it was Town Vs. Mafia. I don't hate her vote as much as I did initially.

Really the only point I am stuck on with this slot is that G-man voted for LoRab instead of DH on Day 2. That vote was so jarring and out of place that it was one of the centerpieces of my case against G-man. So why did he do it if not to save DH? If we can answer that question, SVS is a comfortable town read.