The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:20 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:21 am also like imagine thinking there could be such a thing as "projecting town" that doesn't include giving reads

I mean I find most of my townreads on things that aren’t directly related to people making reads lol

So yeah I think this is very much a thing, idk why you don’t

you can project town without giving reads.

Nutella hates most of my reads and still thinks im town.

It’s an active game so...no.

Realllllly don’t want to talk about it past this, SR me for anything else you want I’m just asking everyone to please accept my explanation, write it off as NAI, drop it and move on.

Now I’m gonna try and sleep again

Actually first, [mention]Alison[/mention] sorry in advance if this is condescending, I have no idea what your forum mafia experience is like—are you familiar with activity tells?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:28 am
When I'm bad, I never kill someone new Night 1. It's a rule I've adhered to as long as I can remember. I also don't vote someone new out Day 1. That's another one.

Moreover, I prefer to fool my prey rather than outright kill them if I can help that. It's more satisfying.

Now over and over you have bemoaned how people will think I'm good despite my "antitown" behavior. This information should point you in the direction that I'm a good guy.

If you are willing to concede those points and you still believe I'm bad, then it means I'm not the alpha dog in the mafia chatroom with Nine-post-Soneji and "Oh-hey-I-listened-to-your-music-Rej" (thanks for listening, @Rej by the way!). I've been present each period, so you can't argue I've been absent and needed teammates to submit the kill.

Ideally 4+ people with high postcounts can collaborate Epi doesnt kill newbies.

The voting someone new on day 1 is a lie, because you voted on me and I am new. Unless it was day 2 and im really getting old. quite possible.

Epi doesn't kill newbies

He did vote you D1

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:59 am Epi doesn't kill newbies

While you’re around

Claim your protect or no protect last night if you haven’t already?

Voting doesn't count in this game tho so.

I already said I did what I was told like a good boy. I holstered.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:40 am

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:14 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:48 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:29 pm I think I understand what Epi is trying to do here and if my theory is correct he's town

Found the reference. Can you share?

Found answer. You thought they were reaction checking you so you flipped your read of them to town. Epi then confirms they weren't doing anything of the sort. Why do you hold a townread on them?

"Epi then confirms"

Dont understand the intended meaning of "Epi then confirms"

Are you agreeing with Alisons theory on you? I had thought not.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:53 am i'm so tired of reading all yall's posts they just make my eyes glaze over

just find me another alien k

Please just go 4/4 so i can sheep you forever in future games. thanks.

Cool, sorry I missed it I’m still only like half locked in tbh

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:54 am

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:16 am

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:49 pm Final thoughts anyone? I'm hoping this isnt a DADV scenario but since he appears to have given up I'm feeling okay about it

What is DADV?

Don't google it.

well your reverse psych worked. I did google it. regret. much regret. I also dont think Nutella intended it in that way? like pretty sure.

Not sure what to make of you trying to feed me weird acronyms.

So it means something specific to this forum which doesnt show on google. can like... someone enlighten me?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:57 am

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:49 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:09 am

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:05 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:58 pm what if i protect myself tonight?

never protect yourself at night.

There is 1 KP, which is unlikely to go onto Nutella.

if you save YOURSELF, you spend 1 bunker shot, with a maximum result of saving your 3 remaining bunkershots.

Staying alive with no bunkershots have no value to town. Your only value to town is in your bunker shots.

There are 10 bunkers remaining for Aliens to shoot into.

You need to correct 1 in 10 times for your save to be +EV. You onyl get a 3 to 1 reward ratio. Its -EV to save yourself.

Multiple this by other bunkers trying to save themselves, its massively beneficial for aliens if all bunkers save themselves in the night. It gets them closer to auto by being able to kill Nutella because bunkers dont have saves anymore.

This is why Nanook is saying please dont save anyone other than Nutella. I feel this argument drops off as we get to fewer and fewer players and not exactly sure when, but at thios game state I am like 99% sure saving anyone except nutella is bad.

You made a huge case during Night 1 to keep Hally from self-protecting.

Every failed kill is a failed kill against the civilian faction.

I want to find this post...here we are:

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:24 am Epi immeadiately locking in a save for Nutella at the start of N1 when we had done math on 3 rng saves is extremely scummy. It just makes it likely for people to waste bunker saves since we cannot use their save in the rng for the results to work out. I will say that hitting an alien in the first day makes the math much more favourable to town since its now 3/13 x 2/12 x 1/11 for us to rng 3 aliens exactly which is 6/1,716 which is 0.35%. We still cant use Epi's save to get this outcome because they self selected. Epi knows this which is why its was extremely scummy to lock in a save before Nutella nominated the savers. People wanting to apply more than 3 saves I think are aliens, since it wastes bunker shots, but maybe they hadnt done the math. The math has been done above for you. There are 13 non Nutella players left. There is one combo of hitting all three aliens back to back. Thats 0.35%. If people still want to push for a night protection scheme that uses any more than 3 saves in Nutella, (such as bottom 3 POE plus one for example), I just think you are really really bad at math. We already have to use 4 since Epi locked in a save.

Which the fuck is it? Do I save nutella or do I not, professor?

You just told Hally, your biggest "townread" to refrain from refusing to die. Presumably Hally had four protections. By dying, Hally has zero.

Now how many protections are left with Hally dead?

If Hally had self-protected, how many would be left?

You feel like you are taking crazy pills because you refuse to engage with mechanics.

I mathed why its base to save non nutella people with this many players remaning.

Engage with it. Find holes. Discuss them. Change my mind.

Why does trying to save someone RESULT in a save?

When Hally died, there were 13 players (I think - 15 minus Soneji minus Nutella) a save could have gone onto. You dont gain 13 bunkersaves if you land a save. You gain 2.6.

I worked out the EV of trying to save someone who isnt Nutella is -EV.

Nobody died last Night.

What did it cost? Lets see if we get saves claimed.

Winning at roulette doesnt mean its +EV

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:59 am

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:52 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:16 am

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:05 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:37 am After having looked at it again, that stuff is rather meh Tbh a lot of Epi's reads in this game have been him arriving to firm conclusions off pretty random things. Quite a few times he's taken a firm stance on someone and my immediate response was "really guy"? His response post flip was a bit weird too. He's well within his mafia range.

This. This right here.

This is the smoking gun example of Epi arrving at a firm conclusion off pretty random things.

You'll see a smoking gun all right.

Example of a typical no content post

I believe I have had a revelation about you.

Can you share for me to assess its reasonability?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:04 am There's no way I can in good conscience support the death of proto. I have changed my mind.

Something clicked (I won't say what), but it's enough for me to come around.

If nutella wants to shoot proto, whatever, but I'm looking elsewhere.

you are making it look like scum theatre now. Not sure if this is another trap to see who jumps on it.

You got to say what it is, otherwise this just seems like a hard pocket attempt.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:09 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:54 am

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:16 am

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:49 pm Final thoughts anyone? I'm hoping this isnt a DADV scenario but since he appears to have given up I'm feeling okay about it

What is DADV?

Don't google it.

lmao

sorry

"dead air, dead villager"

basically when an elimination feels too consensus and nobody is fighting back, usually signifying that the scum are cool with it bc it's town

wasn't the case here!

I wish I had seen this earlier... thanks Nutella

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:13 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:59 am

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:52 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:16 am

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:05 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:37 am After having looked at it again, that stuff is rather meh Tbh a lot of Epi's reads in this game have been him arriving to firm conclusions off pretty random things. Quite a few times he's taken a firm stance on someone and my immediate response was "really guy"? His response post flip was a bit weird too. He's well within his mafia range.

This. This right here.

This is the smoking gun example of Epi arrving at a firm conclusion off pretty random things.

You'll see a smoking gun all right.

Example of a typical no content post

I believe I have had a revelation about you.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:04 am There's no way I can in good conscience support the death of proto. I have changed my mind.

Something clicked (I won't say what), but it's enough for me to come around.

If nutella wants to shoot proto, whatever, but I'm looking elsewhere.

Is it that he has no sense of humor cause I figured that one out a while ago

I have humour, its just not really appropriate for the forum.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:20 am Now I go to die for seven hours only to be resurrected unto coffee.

unsure what to make of referencing coffee since in day 0, someone made a coffee tell read. not sure if it was a meme. So hard to tell what is meme and what is meta

protocultures wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:11 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:20 am Now I go to die for seven hours only to be resurrected unto coffee.

unsure what to make of referencing coffee since in day 0, someone made a coffee tell read. not sure if it was a meme. So hard to tell what is meme and what is meta

It’s a meme

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:30 am I'm not sure that applies to Proto or not, I'm definitely not comfortable speculating one way or the other, but I'm gonna hard TR Epi for making that read.

The read is about me, and everyone gets it except me and carotenoid.

I have thick skin. you internet strangers are incapable of offending me. people are almost incapable of offending me in general.

License to speculate given to all.

Many pages. I'll take some time to get caught up. But I have time throughout the day.

protocultures wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:14 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:57 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:05 pm Tony is town for proposing basically the same plan I did with the nifty addition of the protects coming from within the POE

I don't actually like this post - I don't think it's a good or convincing reason for reading Tony town. I think it's sort of null alignment-wise though, since at this stage in the game having forced reads can come from both town and scum. Scum forces reads because they don't have any of their own, town forces reads to try to get a sense of the game out of very little pages of content.

I read tony's plan as towny. Its solvy for a plan for town. I agree with Nanook's take on tony's plan as being towny.

I'm surprised you dont agree tbh. What didnt you like about tony's plan? I didnt love all of it, but I thought it came from a pro town pov.

Dont aliens just push bad plans?

Aliens can push bad plans. Aliens can also push good plans to look town. Saying someone is town just because they proposed the same plan as you is questionable. Especially when they did it after you, so they can just copy your plan to get towncred.

protocultures wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:16 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:01 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:14 pm Sorry Mac I think drago is scum for stuff entirely out of your control. Sorry you subbed into the wrong slot, it sucks


Semi related I’m saying 1.5 scum between Mac and bimbo

This post confused me. Nanook spent most of his time talking about mechanics prior to this, but comes out with a strong read on Dragomir scum in this post. Could be a reaction test, but... "1.5 scum between Mac and bimbo"? At the time, bimbo (Hally's slot) had no posts, so I'm just super confused why there was a relationship drawn between the slots or why a completely null slot is 50% to be a wolf.

Is my general theory that no/low posts makes people think they are scummy not true in forum?

Do other people not think this way?

Actual question btw.

I think no/low posts = null, because 95% of the time, lack of activity is caused by being busy IRL, low interest in the game etc. or factors that aren't related to alignment. If someone always lurks as wolf or tries to coast through the game, that is one thing, but in general just being completely AWOL from the start of the game is null.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:56 am Actually first, @Alison sorry in advance if this is condescending, I have no idea what your forum mafia experience is like—are you familiar with activity tells?

I know what activity tells are. I think they're extremely unreliable, borderline angleshooty and have seen them create more false positives than accurate reads.

Borderline angleshooty wut


Anyways would you characterize yourself as a high activity player in general, or no?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:16 am Borderline angleshooty wut


Anyways would you characterize yourself as a high activity player in general, or no?

In general I'm a pretty high activity player (as either alignment). Either I have interest in the game or I don't. If I have interest in the game I'll post frequently. If I don't have interest in the game I'll replace out.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:06 am Many pages. I'll take some time to get caught up. But I have time throughout the day.

I'd be ok with you shooting this [mention]nutella[/mention]

I'm up to like Page 34 or something.
I've already adjusted some reads in my head. I'll go through Rej spew after catching up, but I found a post Rej is talking to Epi in a way that really looks like Epi is town. So yeah, Epi town. Also deciding to believe the Dunya kill thing, though she's being annoying as hell (but I still love you, of course). I see she was around on N1 also.

Anyway, this post in response to Rej saying he protected Epi is weird to me:

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:43 amWhy did you use a bunker save at all?

Why did you think Epi would be an alien target?

Did you read the arguments for/against using bunker saves on non-nutella people?

Where did you land on those arguments?

Do you think you made yourself a higher laser target for Day 2 because you now only have 3 bunker saves remaining?

With how much Proto tunnelled Epi I would expect a more wtf reaction to Rej protecting Epi. Like, "Why the hell would you protect Epi he's so scummy" kind of thing. Proto's stance on Rej has been meh. If Proto is scum he's actively tried to deflect from his teammates. He mentioned he would bus if scum, but then again, if he actually is scum, he would just lie. I also liked Epi's point about Proto giving Soneji a "very, very light townread". It falls in line with Proto saying that Rej was susp for a post he made, but he would leave the door open to town again depending on the follow up. I don't think Proto has talked to anyone else like that.

Honestly finding more reasons to think many are town than scum. But there's only two scum left so maybe not that strange lol.

[mention]nutella[/mention] and [mention]Epignosis[/mention] Can you explain to me why you think LC is town?

Still not nearly caught up. Just needed to point this post out.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:29 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:06 am Many pages. I'll take some time to get caught up. But I have time throughout the day.

I'd be ok with you shooting this @nutella

That's harsh. I literally have no idea what I've done wrong this game. Honestly sad. I'm trying to solve. Can't do anything else.

Actually, Epi is probably double spewed town from Rej "protecting him".

protocultures wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:05 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:58 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:46 pm Hoping that aliens double stacked on nutes to bury KP cause people wasting bunker saves is honestly bad

Sighs

Alright well might as well claim protects last nights, I think it’s bad but whatever I’m clearly not winning mechanics arguments this game for some reason

hmmmm... if they were paying attention they'd have known that I assigned four people to me (even if both wolves were in that group I'd be guaranteed to survive)

so either the wolves weren't paying attention and wasted a shot, or somebody successfully saved somebody else.


either way that's cool

wolves assume tsp goes for some fancy play if they have two in the four tbh

interesting take. I would not think you likely for FPS (fancy play syndrome) when you are allocated to protect Nutella.

Have you played with a lot of people in here? I assume the people with similar high post counts.

Obviously you think they think you have FPS in your range.

Can others confirm Tony's meta includes FPS?

why does this question exist

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:54 am

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:16 am

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:49 pm Final thoughts anyone? I'm hoping this isnt a DADV scenario but since he appears to have given up I'm feeling okay about it

What is DADV?

Don't google it.

okay you can get away with this one

[mention]protocultures[/mention] dead air dead villager

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:10 am DADV pretty overrated imo

honestly I think invoking it is >rand wolf.
Nutella w confirmed.

Like the reason I'd be thinking about Dizzy/Dunya making a double shot on Nutella isn't because I'd expect them to think me or Proto would FPS, but just because that seems like the only team that would have that as an optimal play.

Has anyone else even claimed to have bunkered someone else?

Up to page 36. Was going to try to not quote, since I'm so far behind and there's already so much to read in thread. But I fail.

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:10 pmexplain that one to me.

A consensus townread (alien me) goes on a crusade to bury another consensus townread (alien Epi) in a 2KP until 2 game.

I am listening.

It's moot now, since I think Epi is town based on Rej interaction. Also, I think you're likely to be scum. The thing was just that your tunnel has been so firm it looks agenda-y. And I've seen a lot of weird bus play like that on here. You even said you would bus. You probably lied about that though, assuming scum for you.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:14 pmwow? retracting disclaimer right there.

so let's get into wiofm, when would you kill hally?

I don't understand this post.
Look. There's 0% chance Hally is wrong on me when subbing in like that. Literally 0%. That is all the relevant info you have regarding me/Hally. If you choose to ignore this, that is on you.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:14 pm How hard is it to follow a “nutella dictates saves on her, nobody else saves” plan, jfc

^This. I hope this is what we're doing now.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:32 pm

Spoiler: show

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:22 am MacDougall is chaos, Rej, Soneji and bimbo are still missing in action...

1st mention of rej by carot.

Spoiler: show

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:50 pm aaaah anyone that quote posts that are kilometers long without spoilers are evil

Therefore Rej and TonyStarkPrime are aliens.

tongue in cheek accusation on rej.

Spoiler: show

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:02 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:01 pm Hmn nutella it's kinda scary that you approach this by "if I shoot Soneji and he flips town" tbh

Who should it be then?

Hmn I feel dragomir-MacDougall/TonyStarkPrime/maybe Rej would be ok

the historic player salad that includes rej. typically it's 4 players, right? she gives 4 names, but 3 players. if carot and rej w/w, TSP and mac lock town imo.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:15 pmcarot wants us to think and know she is scumreading rej without actually pursuing anything about rej. i think carot and rej can easily be teammates.

I like this case on Carot. The biggest reason I thought Carot was town was her defending Soneji so hard before he was shot. But maybe it's just a quack like a duck situation.

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:36 pmWhat if they scumread Rej for having a low postcount? Its kinda how you got scummier that one day you were afk.

Oof.

Simplest world to me now just says Proto/Carot.
Proto has been deflecting from both Soneji and Rej, and now Carot. I think Proto is talking differently to Rej than others. Carot deflected from Soneji. Maybe my expectation of scum trying to distance better is just wrong.

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:39 pmcant see the benefit of claiming as an alien, so i didnt read it as inherently scummy.

If the way they posted is scummy, thats another issue.

your scum radar is god tier (1/1) so who am I to question lol

More soft protecting Rej.

---

I will ISO Rej, Proto and Carot today. Looking for spew in Rej. Looking for consistency of how Proto talks to people. Cause I feel like he's been very lenient and soft towards both Soneji and Rej, and also Carot. Want to confirm this. Look at Carot to get an impression honestly, haven't payed too much attention there.

tony and mac are so lock town that they've basically stopped playing

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:28 am Like the reason I'd be thinking about Dizzy/Dunya making a double shot on Nutella isn't because I'd expect them to think me or Proto would FPS, but just because that seems like the only team that would have that as an optimal play.

Has anyone else even claimed to have bunkered someone else?

Ok, so are the ones who protected Nut last night me, you, Dunya and Proto? And then perhaps Epi and Tutuu? I saw scum trying to shoot Nut which I honestly think is dumb and I didn't expect. /shrug. Makes sense to suspect those who were assigned though. Rip

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:30 am tony and mac are so lock town that they've basically stopped playing

#LockTownAreToBeIgnoredNotHeard

Hi Tony can we wait until we have all the claims before speculating, kthx

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:32 am Hi Tony can we wait until we have all the claims before speculating, kthx

Has not everyone shown? I'll speculate as I darn well please

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:51 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:36 pm i have mixed feelings about carot's treatment of rej. on one hand it feels like distancing and the fact that rej wasn't too fussed with her makes it feel like he didn't care.

alison i got different feelings from after i iso'd rej and searched for alison in his iso.
there's one post in particular, where i felt like she didnt deserve a town cred from him (she had 1 post) and i called him out on it.
he made a conscious decision to address that.

it feels pretty bad to me.

what do you think?

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:19 am

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:30 am

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:27 am Drago doesnt like Spacemovies = bad

Dunya, Alison and Tutu are town GTH, nice energy.
Not excluding the possibility that a wolf is coordinating the mechtalk with others.

Tho nothing else pinged me for now. I am at work, will be properly active later on.

Hmmm

I'm making a note for later of stuffing Alison with 1 post between me and tutu and calling out nice energy. Something pingy about this entrance.

Well her entrance was "agressive" not passive, it pinged me and from a GTH perspective there wasn't anything negative I felt there.

So this is going to be convulted response.

Alison first made one post and then went quiet for a while on Day 0. I also remember thinking Alison is probably town if I had to pick, based on that one post.

Didnt think much of Rej's comment since I didnt know they were alien at the time, and I thought their read on Alison was towny. In general, I tend to think aliens would give more organic reads than partner/partner reads simply due to player distribution. Knowing Rej is an alien, the fact they made a read on a player (Alison) which is not at all unreasonable from an objective standpoint (well, I subjectively think its fine) is not controversial and shouldnt make you think Alison is necessarily a partner with Rej.

Interestingly it does make me more suspicious of YOU.

I dont know how you think, but on Day 0, to be thinking of potential partner interaction based on this, rather that just finding scum. Thats galaxy brain.

If Alison flips alien, I think you are a potential partner for trying to distance from Alison with TMI. No idea if this is consistent with the remainder of the game, havent looked into it. Just where I end up at after analysing your quoted exhange.

Now if you are town, you might be thinking WTF is Proto smoking?

And I conclude with, this is why I dont like to read too much into partners post flip.

i think our brains work on very different wavelengths.

rej picking alison in the first place with me and tutuu who were each like 60 posts into the game was shady as fuck, where alison only had ONE post. ONE post and he claims her "energy is good" on the same level as me and tutuu. nah.

the fact he then takes my post and tries to "clarify" what he means only makes them look more teammate compatible in my eyes.

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:04 pm @dunya

So I have now hard defended Carotenoid and Alison.

I should have high partner equity with them in your mind.

Do you think people reading our exchange will think we are doing scum theatre?

i get you don't do dead mafia analysis, but that's not exactly how it works for me.

tone, progression and overall thread contribution make a very big difference. also, my intuition comes into play as a fourth factor when i tie people together. and it's not the hard defence that bugs me, it's the suspecting them without giving reasons for suspicion that bugs me more. it's tmi-ey. like my issue on carot with rej.

alison has spent most of her time in self-defence mode as well (i mean, those are the bulk of posts that i remember), and that's not a good look to me. coupled with rej's treatment of her, i have reason to suspect her.

i look at the overall picture and decide if the person making the defences or accusations actually BELIEVES what they're saying. this is usually very easy to accomplish if you're bussing, but a lot of people fall into TMI and think what's obvious to them is obvious to others, but that isn't true.

those are my methods, and they work for me. ask [mention]MacDougall[/mention].

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:31 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:28 am Like the reason I'd be thinking about Dizzy/Dunya making a double shot on Nutella isn't because I'd expect them to think me or Proto would FPS, but just because that seems like the only team that would have that as an optimal play.

Has anyone else even claimed to have bunkered someone else?

Ok, so are the ones who protected Nut last night me, you, Dunya and Proto? And then perhaps Epi and Tutuu? I saw scum trying to shoot Nut which I honestly think is dumb and I didn't expect. /shrug. Makes sense to suspect those who were assigned though. Rip

how did you see scum? what? huh?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:00 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:45 pm i do not feel comfortable having alison, dizzy and proto only protect you, nutella.

can you add a fourth.

It's currently dizzy, proto, and tsp, not alison.

You could be fourth if you still think we need one for that set.

i intentionally didn't confirm if i was doing this or not (i did obv, duh). i think maf tried their luck on nutella anyway. i know i would have on an even night, especially when it seemed like dunya and tsp were missing from the thread and may not have subbed their actions in.

i'm shading dizzy there.

Maybe past stuff but: I see Alison's point when she says that LC thinking Tutuu is intentionally trying to trick Nut is way too out there. I agree with Alison and I believe that those are her genuine thoughts. I don't think it makes LC scum though. I don't know how LC thinks. I liked his post about assuming scum schemes like that. Imo scum schemes like that almost never happens. But people feel differently.

I don't think qualified to read LC. Which is dumb. I actually feel like he's one of the cindy katers I normally can read actually. But I feel it's better if Nut just reads him, which is ultimately what's going to happen anyway. He might be town.

Alison I think is town.
Tutuu I think is town. Her frustration and how that all went down seems very real. And I don't think if she was scum she would assume that she would be universally town read forever. I think she would be the kind of player that would be more nervous and just waiting for people to turn on her. I'm inferring a bit, but she's just town overall.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:01 pm (im not offiically diagnosed but i highly suspect i have BPD just btw. sorry if im too much to handle. lets not make this about me tho)

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:28 pmi believe dizzy saying he wouldnt kill hally

This was already cleared up, but I have never said this.
What I do say is that Hally fully town reading me is clearing.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:33 pmi still want to tr them

I feel loved and validated and please never leave me. <3

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:53 amhow did you see scum? what? huh?

I saw nobody died. I assume they tried to kill Nut with their two shots. Both failing on two other players seems wildly unlikely.

Funny thing - I dreamt that scum made one shot on Nut and one shot on Jimmay who flipped town. And I remember I thought scum was being idiots.

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:29 pm @dunya

Can you explain your day/night progression of yours reads on below players? Ideally with some blurb for me to follow as to why.

Epi
Tony
Longcon

I just did an iso on you. Reason I cant read you is you make a lot of short posts and ask a lot of questions, but havent seen any walls of text for me to get any sense of where your head is at. Not everyone is a wall of text kind of person, but it would help me a lot to determine your alignment if you explain your read progression on these 3 players.

epi- scum epi doesn't get so opinionated and fixated on bad reads. he's in TMI land and will make reads that are more easy to push. going after me and you--not easy. why would he not instead make fake cases on people we are more easily to suspect? tunnelling a brand new player to our website from day 0--not epi behavior. plus, he's basically oozing town and i will bet my cat on it. if i lose to him this game, i'm more than ok with that. i don't agree with a lot of his reads, i mean, i think he's very wrong about me and you, but i'm okay with that.

tony- i waffle on tony tbh. but he makes some posts that just seem so authentically coming from a townie mindset that i wanna lock town him. his game mechanic solving has seemed as authentic as nanook's... i guess i felt a little less confident with him sort of disappearing, but it doesn't change his iso looking townie. we just finished playing a game together where he was in LyLo with LC and Epi. i knew he was town there, and i believe he's town here. there's a lot of overlap in behavior.

lc- i dunno. my weakest town read is on lc out of these three, but i iso'd them and like, didn't feel any negative energy from their posts. seem really authentic and in a setup like this, i feel like LC woulda been stronger at bussing. that's speculative but idk, i just don't think they're in my poe now.

i mean, i feel weird how the majority of syndicats want to alien-read dizzy but hally and tutuu had town reads on them. so idk. why is our gut telling us dizzy is bad?

protocultures wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:57 am

Ideally 4+ people with high postcounts can collaborate Epi doesnt kill newbies.
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epi doesn't kill newbies on their first night.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:29 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:06 am Many pages. I'll take some time to get caught up. But I have time throughout the day.

I'd be ok with you shooting this @nutella

Why? This looks like an awful shot to me.