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Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:01 pm**

martin what’s your legacy? who are the wolves? who’s town? etc.

if you flip town we’ll take your perspective into account

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:01 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:27 pm
Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:58 pm [VOTE: Mr Radishes] aubergine
like look at this shit, Made is basically suiciding so that Guillotine doesn't die

let me double check the votes

See?

You're acting like its obvious, and the truth is Made should've of seen it as the same way as well.

And yet you're not considering that.

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:04 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:41 pm i believe that made just got himself killed to make Guillo (the mafia PR) look good off of his flip

How the hell was I looking good after what he did?

Wolves are self-aware and you're acting like he had no self-awareness in doing that

@tutuu when I flip I want you take a long look at this point

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:05 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:58 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:59 pm Has anyone even done an iso of seanzie yet? I'm keeping up albeit not retaining everything, but I don't remember anyone seriously actually trying to sort seanzie one way or the other. A few little things, sure, but I feel like he's not gotten close attention.

I have no reason to think he's scum, but he's definitely in that mid-range of presence level where good wolves try to hide themselves. Dunno. It's probably worth a look later.
dizzy strongly thought sean was town

I generally don't believe in 'listening to dead townies' tbh. Their view is a remnant of a previous gamestate.

Again, I have no reason to doubt Sean is town, it's just a slot that hasn't gotten much attention one way or another imo.

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:06 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:05 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:58 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:59 pm Has anyone even done an iso of seanzie yet? I'm keeping up albeit not retaining everything, but I don't remember anyone seriously actually trying to sort seanzie one way or the other. A few little things, sure, but I feel like he's not gotten close attention.

I have no reason to think he's scum, but he's definitely in that mid-range of presence level where good wolves try to hide themselves. Dunno. It's probably worth a look later.
dizzy strongly thought sean was town
I generally don't believe in 'listening to dead townies' tbh. Their view is a remnant of a previous gamestate.

Again, I have no reason to doubt Sean is town, it's just a slot that hasn't gotten much attention one way or another imo.

i trust dizzy’s reads

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:07 pm**

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:50 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:17 pm i don’t know why you’re assuming it has anything to do with kp or any utility at all.
Well, it could be a pointless power role aside from self-confirmation but generally power roles aren't pointless

especially since theres apparently a vig here I would imagine that means all the power roles will have some effect, and unless that image was sent via virtue of special mechanics in the setup

I doubt there's 0 utility in it, and given there's a vig already I doubt it has kp attached to it.

However, if I didn't know there was a vig, then it would be reasonable to think it has some sort of KP since the bike in the picture, with the descriptions I gave, is a lot less..."alive" than the ones you see in the host post pictures of bikes, especially since there's no seat on the bike.

Have you looked for hidden messages or anything within the image?

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:07 pm**

i don’t really know how much i think martin will flip wolf rn. but i also don’t know where else i’d rather go

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:07 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:44 pm believe MR is spewed town and guillotine is spewed mafia pls vote martin pls

I could be slightly wrong but honestly I think its the opposite given that Made never really distanced from anyone / distanced from one more than the other in particular

and once I flip green you'll realize his vote had been sitting on a town for most of D1 of which he never really pushed hard at all during that day (at least not what I've seen through my skimming)

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:08 pm**

Like maybe it's a role that can send a role cop result in a difficult-to-parse form.

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:09 pm**

i think i’m just gonna stay on martin

wouldn’t be surprised if he’s town though

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:09 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:07 pm Have you looked for hidden messages or anything within the image?

There aren't any, at least not that I'm aware of. Its just a much lower-quality bike partially submerged in (what I guess) could say is some sort of quick-sand.

Only message is the title of the PM called "A Haunting Vision"

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:09 pm**

thinking pretty clearly mechanical intrigue and not role related

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:10 pm**

I guess Martin is a worthy chop still, at least considering I don't have a better alternative and it'll either confirm or reject the consensus PoE. (Not for everyone, since I'd be alive still, but I won't care what any of you think.) I don't have to stretch my brain to see w!Martin receiving the ghost bike thingy and immediately hoping to leverage it into towncred by being cagey and everything. In a vacuum he's been fine in his posting, so like, I'm not so sure on this either. But on balance he more or less exists in the same position as he did during the Guillo-era, and to me that's choppable.

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:10 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:09 pm wouldn’t be surprised if he’s town though

thank you for at least giving me that

it just might be, unfortunately, the "correct" elimination by virtue of never escaping the PoE and that apparently half the people here think Made was dumb enough to "spew me mafia" like that

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:11 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:09 pm i think i’m just gonna stay on martin

wouldn’t be surprised if he’s town though

Yeah that's how I feel, sans an actual vote there ofc.

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:11 pm**

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:10 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:09 pm wouldn’t be surprised if he’s town though
thank you for at least giving me that

it just might be, unfortunately, the "correct" elimination by virtue of never escaping the PoE and that apparently half the people here think Made was dumb enough to "spew me mafia" like that

eh, bigger issues involved

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:12 pm**

...I do sort of feel he's sounding townie right now though.

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:14 pm**

do you really?

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:14 pm**

cause we can flash wagon you if you want

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:14 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:12 pm ...I do sort of feel he's sounding townie right now though.

i don’t disagree

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:15 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:14 pm do you really?

Yeah.

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:15 pm**

I would like 1 (one) wolf

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:15 pm**

but i still don’t think i’d chop anyone else over him

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:15 pm**

will the real wolves please come out

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:15 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:14 pm cause we can flash wagon you if you want

Bring it.

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:15 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:51 pm Is it just Sean and Guillo/Martin? Normally if you have a top 2 poe, you're fine voting either option?

(in regards to Sean)

Nah. I recently did that sort of thing in a town game I had recently off-site. I mean, OF COURSE they're fine voting either option. Its just pragmatic to vote what you think is feasible.

Besides, sometimes its better to be showing those hard stances in the PoE as to whether you think X player is town or not, instead of going off on one's own little scum-hunt adventure story.

It helps with solving imo. And honestly I would rather be executed by a large wagon instead of a small one for that reason, so as of late I am glad for that.

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:16 pm**

vote: Sean

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:16 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:15 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:14 pm cause we can flash wagon you if you want
Bring it.

vote: mr

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:17 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:15 pm but i still don’t think i’d chop anyone else over him

Yeah I'm staring at the names in the poll right now and I don't have any better option. Like not even a credibly spicy take.

Maybe I just love EoD chaos so much I'm mistaking disappointment for uncertainty.

[VOTE: MartinG99] aubergine

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:17 pm**

radishes is probably town here

hard game

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:18 pm**

Maybe we can flash wagon Marmot?

It'd be funny.

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:18 pm**

someone said epi was too aggressive to be a wolf but I sorta think he hasn't been aggressive enough to be a wolf

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:19 pm**

remove vote

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:20 pm**

does epi have viable teammates? he doesn’t seem aligned with marmot or lc or sean

so if this is a hard game with martin/tony/radishes all town i’m not really seeing who he fits with

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:20 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:18 pm someone said epi was too aggressive to be a wolf but I sorta think he hasn't been aggressive enough to be a wolf

i understand what you mean and think both things are true in their own way

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:21 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:18 pm Maybe we can flash wagon Marmot?

It'd be funny.

I wouldn't be opposed.

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:22 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:20 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:18 pm someone said epi was too aggressive to be a wolf but I sorta think he hasn't been aggressive enough to be a wolf
i understand what you mean and think both things are true in their own way

I hope to someday achieve that level of unjudgable inscrutability.

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:22 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:20 pm does epi have viable teammates? he doesn’t seem aligned with marmot or lc or sean

so if this is a hard game with martin/tony/radishes all town i’m not really seeing who he fits with

On a different note, Marmot/LC/Sean is my exact 'no reason to think they're scum but not fully sold on them definitely being town' crowd.

I distrust that sort of crowd, particularly when I start being uncertain about the PoE.

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:22 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:20 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:39 pm Okay, so I actually read a bit more of the context for what I was reading earlier.

I didn't realize Epi just simply OMGUS voted Marmot.
Not the case at all.

Well my original reason for voting with you was because I felt and thought you were town and so I looked at who you voted in the the vote-poll and followed that.

Especially since I wasn't aware of everything (and still kinda am) in the the game so far.

You did make a big post about him, but "middle pile" doesn't sound exactly like a scum read to me and more of a "null read". Later, I found your post that had the vote on Marmot and it had that meanie emoji on it, looking like a silly OMGUS if we looked at that vote post exclusively.

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:26 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:21 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:18 pm Maybe we can flash wagon Marmot?

It'd be funny.
I wouldn't be opposed.

Eh. I would have my own reasons for voting Marmot but in all seriousness I think he's town.

I would like to comment though the way he brought up a single quote from Made in his scum game and compared it to this one and then summarily vote him after said comparison is almost quite literrally what I did in my last scum-game off-site to another scummmate.

I still think hes more likely to be town than not. But I can't say locked town though.

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:27 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:05 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:58 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:59 pm Has anyone even done an iso of seanzie yet? I'm keeping up albeit not retaining everything, but I don't remember anyone seriously actually trying to sort seanzie one way or the other. A few little things, sure, but I feel like he's not gotten close attention.

I have no reason to think he's scum, but he's definitely in that mid-range of presence level where good wolves try to hide themselves. Dunno. It's probably worth a look later.
dizzy strongly thought sean was town
I generally don't believe in 'listening to dead townies' tbh. Their view is a remnant of a previous gamestate.

Again, I have no reason to doubt Sean is town, it's just a slot that hasn't gotten much attention one way or another imo.

Look at you, casting shade on known townies.

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:28 pm**

@TonyStarkPrime do you just have your vote on "no elimination" because you are trying to decide or do you intend to keep it there?

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:29 pm**

I'm just going to go to bed.

I'd prefer not to get flash wagoned again, but I understand it's a professional hazard of being me.

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:29 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:18 pm Maybe we can flash wagon Marmot?

It'd be funny.

Yeah let's get that guy

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:30 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:29 pm @MartinGG99 i want to apologize again for frustrating you earlier

No need to apologize. I think we're just different people and we just think differently.

Its bound to happen at some point.

I just grew frustrated realizing that given some of my interactions with you in grasslands, IIRC I think I got frustrated as well

But honestly it just seems to be more of an inherent difference between us rather than anything done wrong by either of us.

Its just that I might still get a little upset over that and the best course of action for me to is to leave the thread for a short while; but I'm very good at learning to control my emotions (in a precautionary sense) so I doubt it'll be likely to happen again in the future.

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:32 pm**

Martin also feels very townie to me after returning to the thread.

But we've done a lot of work to get to this point, and flash-wagoning anyone other than Radish doesn't make sense.

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:34 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:22 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:20 pm does epi have viable teammates? he doesn’t seem aligned with marmot or lc or sean

so if this is a hard game with martin/tony/radishes all town i’m not really seeing who he fits with
On a different note, Marmot/LC/Sean is my exact 'no reason to think they're scum but not fully sold on them definitely being town' crowd.

I distrust that sort of crowd, particularly when I start being uncertain about the PoE.

yeah. sean > marnot or lc though

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:34 pm**

Reminder that day ends in 13 minutes, not 26 minutes.

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:37 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:59 am i don’t see why i wouldn’t kill dizzy N1 though, if i’m being perfectly honest. i don’t always when i’m scum but in this game i probably would (though it would depend on who my teammate was)

but i think pretty much anyone else would also kill dizzy first after D1, so

If I came into the game in control of the kill I probably would kill one of the top-posters

maybe dizzy maybe not but arguably since I didn't know dizzy I might've just killed someone like you or tutuu instead both of who could be very hard to get eliminated

Posted: **Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:39 pm**

Well, I know dizzy played in the champs final and was the Grasslands host but that's it.

Honestly I kinda don't know why I made this (pointless) argument so late.

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