The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:00 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:53 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:50 pm That could be, Mac, but you might deserve to be lynched anyway for quoting that entire post.
I ain't clipping on my phone matus.
Fine.

What do you think of the notion that LC knew both you and Marmot were civilians and was trying to set you up to look like an arse when easy-to-lynch Marmot flips civilian?

I didn't feel like LC was very involved in most of the interactions I had with Marmot. If we lynch him and he civ flips I will look like an arse all on my own power.

Counterpoint what would you expect him to do if he found himself in a situation where both he and his only living scum partner were looking like toast? Distance, defend, bus? I think if that's the case he was damned if he does and damned if he doesn't so he would probably just defend and hope someone argues that it would be too obvious.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:01 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:55 pm
FZ. wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:54 pm Can we just lynch Nova next day and hope for the best?
He's my top pick right now and it isn't especially close.

Mine too, it's just that it feels too easy. But hey, maybe it is

@linki: I don't think it's Wilgy. I think he was a different quiet and lazy when he was bad last time I played with him. He actually apologized for being away and not contributing. Now it's like he doesn't give a damn

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:02 pm**

What would he do if his teammate was hidden and looking civ credible? Distance, attack or ignore? I would ignore because people would look for clues. Probably just a few light prods.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:03 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:00 pm Counterpoint what would you expect him to do if he found himself in a situation where both he and his only living scum partner were looking like toast? Distance, defend, bus? I think if that's the case he was damned if he does and damned if he doesn't so he would probably just defend and hope someone argues that it would be too obvious.

Who knows. I was in a similar position in the Mountain game and elected to hard-bus. It worked temporarily. Hard defense wouldn't have. That doesn't mean he'd do what I did though.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:05 pm**

The reason I like NVN as a suspect is that the suspicion doesn't involve anything LC said or did, so it's free of his WIFOM generation. It's all on NVN himself for that bizarre voting behavior yesterday. The first one (voting Marmot to pull him within one vote of LC) looked like an oopsie that he struggled to clean up with vague assertions about Marmot.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:06 pm**

FZ. wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:55 pm
FZ. wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:54 pm Can we just lynch Nova next day and hope for the best?
He's my top pick right now and it isn't especially close.
Mine too, it's just that it feels too easy. But hey, maybe it is

@linki: I don't think it's Wilgy. I think he was a different quiet and lazy when he was bad last time I played with him. He actually apologized for being away and not contributing. Now it's like he doesn't give a damn

Wilgy is the meta master. He tries different things every time he is mafia. You cannot use meta well on him. The best way to case him is to try to civ read him for his civilian efforts. If they are lacking then there is often a Mafia shirt under his button down.

If you put votes on town Wilgy he usually white flags. Mafia Wilgy usually pours gasoline everywhere and sets fire to the place.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:08 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:06 pm
FZ. wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:55 pm
FZ. wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:54 pm Can we just lynch Nova next day and hope for the best?
He's my top pick right now and it isn't especially close.
Mine too, it's just that it feels too easy. But hey, maybe it is

@linki: I don't think it's Wilgy. I think he was a different quiet and lazy when he was bad last time I played with him. He actually apologized for being away and not contributing. Now it's like he doesn't give a damn
Wilgy is the meta master. He tries different things every time he is mafia. You cannot use meta well on him. The best way to case him is to try to civ read him for his civilian efforts. If they are lacking then there is often a Mafia shirt under his button down.

If you put votes on town Wilgy he usually white flags. Mafia Wilgy usually pours gasoline everywhere and sets fire to the place.

You just gave him instructions for what to do in case we vote for him.
Anyway, I just don't see myself voting for him. My gut is telling me he's good

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:10 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:05 pm The reason I like NVN as a suspect is that the suspicion doesn't involve anything LC said or did, so it's free of his WIFOM generation. It's all on NVN himself for that bizarre voting behavior yesterday. The first one (voting Marmot to pull him within one vote of LC) looked like an oopsie that he struggled to clean up with vague assertions about Marmot.

Did LC or Lorab talk about him?

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:11 pm**

FZ. wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:10 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:05 pm The reason I like NVN as a suspect is that the suspicion doesn't involve anything LC said or did, so it's free of his WIFOM generation. It's all on NVN himself for that bizarre voting behavior yesterday. The first one (voting Marmot to pull him within one vote of LC) looked like an oopsie that he struggled to clean up with vague assertions about Marmot.
Did LC or Lorab talk about him?

On it next.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:14 pm**

FZ. wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:06 pm
FZ. wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:55 pm
FZ. wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:54 pm Can we just lynch Nova next day and hope for the best?
He's my top pick right now and it isn't especially close.
Mine too, it's just that it feels too easy. But hey, maybe it is

@linki: I don't think it's Wilgy. I think he was a different quiet and lazy when he was bad last time I played with him. He actually apologized for being away and not contributing. Now it's like he doesn't give a damn
Wilgy is the meta master. He tries different things every time he is mafia. You cannot use meta well on him. The best way to case him is to try to civ read him for his civilian efforts. If they are lacking then there is often a Mafia shirt under his button down.

If you put votes on town Wilgy he usually white flags. Mafia Wilgy usually pours gasoline everywhere and sets fire to the place.
You just gave him instructions for what to do in case we vote for him.
Anyway, I just don't see myself voting for him. My gut is telling me he's good

Maybe so but he already declared intent to do that anyway. Besides he is tangled up in a meta acting nightmare for the rest of time. I wouldn't ever really purport to read him either way. He is enigmatic. He should just be left alone for a few days and lynched in the mid game every time.

I would be lynching these players in order now.

Marmot
Nova
Wilgy
Daisy

After that I would hope to have more insight to reconstruct the list.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:15 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:55 pm
FZ. wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:54 pm Can we just lynch Nova next day and hope for the best?
He's my top pick right now and it isn't especially close.

I've got no reason to not want to lynch him, but what separates him so much from the rest of the pack?

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:20 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:55 pm
FZ. wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:54 pm Can we just lynch Nova next day and hope for the best?
He's my top pick right now and it isn't especially close.
I've got no reason to not want to lynch him, but what separates him so much from the rest of the pack?

He gave no reason to trust him, while the rest, when they post, feel better to me. But I might just be a sucker...

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:20 pm**

Long Con and novaselinenever

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There was no mention until LC's lynch was nigh, and he threw a bunch of mud at NVN over the perceived "info" thing. I don't care about any of this.

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.
The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:55 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:54 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:47 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.
The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town
Eh?
lol wrong about me. I've my names in red/yellow in several rainbows
What is it about LC that you think looks like mafia?
His excuses of trying to catch up and then casting a vote to save himself at the end of the day. He made some post and was around for a bit before casting that vote. He also didn't question him or voice anything against him. It seems like he was just trying to throw excuses for his change of vote.
I also didn't get his whole 'didn't have a chance to investigate Lorab or others'. He's also been asking a lot of simple, which seems weird.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:11 pm Do you have any other reads to share, novaselinenever? I'd even be happy if you could just go through the list of remaining players and give a simple "Good" or "Bad" read for each of them. Of course, any more detailed reads you might be able to shade would be superb as well.

Daisy Good
Dizzy Good
Epi Good
FZ Good
JJJ Good
Kyle Good
LC Mafia
Mac 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
Marmot 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
NVN Great
Nutella Good
Sloonei Good
Wilgy Good

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:39 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:34 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:33 am JaggedJimmyJay You've been flip flopping a lot between me and LC
Is that right? What do you think about that?
A Townie having doubts and not too sure who to vote.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:47 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:45 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:43 am I'd lynch several people before Nova at this point.
I'll await verification on the LC flip. If it goes according to plan, I'd lynch zero people before NVN.
If he flips scums, how does that make me scum ? Weren't I going after him until I figured something else ?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:14 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:50 am Look at who is not on Long Con wagon. Nova and Marmot.

I feel like it would be a bit dumb to not be on his wagon.
I was on his wagon very early on and gave my reads on him. I wanted to go after Marmot, they were enough people going after LC already

This guy has no opinion on anything in the entire game until LC is in trouble for the majority of a day phase, and he hops right on with the attack with a tone of confidence despite his read being entirely vague. Then, when I moved my vote to Marmot to make the tally 4-2 LC-Marmot, he followed me right over and made it 4-3. None of this makes any sense; I don't buy it. I think it's more likely that in BTSC LC sensed his own danger and recommended to NVN that he come by and eviscerate him. He tried, and fumbled that vote as awkwardly as any vote can be fumbled, and at no point explained himself adequately.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:24 pm**

I'm off to bed. Hope I'll still be alive when I wake up.

@linki: I'm hoping this is indeed a newbie baddie slip and not a civvie doing the mistakes we usually end up mistakenly lynching when we assume it's a baddie thing. Used to happen to often on this site.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:41 pm**

Long Con and DaveDaisy

Long Con appears to have never acknowledged the existence of this player slot in either of its bodies.

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I don't care much that she had LC in the green pile. The reasoning provided doesn't inspire me though. She was clear and concrete with her reason for placing FZ. in this tier. She thought FZ felt sincere in her handling of Kyle. She even felt FZ was more sincere than LC. They're the same color. There is no reason provided here whatsoever that LC is colored the same way she is. The case on speedchuck is cited, but not as an indicator in either direction, and that is immediately qualified with a "maybe my problem..." disclaimer. At face value this is an ugly moment for Daisy.

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Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:15 pm Alright, well I've been trying to keep up throughout the day while I was working. I took a nap when I got home and accidentally slept for three hours! :eep: I'm here now though, sorry guys. I'm going to try and post my thoughts about the people discussed today.

This day has been weird. Mac posted a request to read something about Marmot a while ago, I didn't at the time but I will go back and do that after I post here. Mainly because I don't quite understand why he is so sure of Marmot. I really haven't felt much of anything about Marmot. So maybe I'm missing something there. I'll post more on him once I read what Mac has said.

I would like to say I suspect Kyle, because everyone seems to think he and I are equally suspicious based on our actions, but I just don't. Everything Kyle says reads like sincere Kyle to me. Lorab's flip didn't change that. And the fact he isn't swung by self preservation just to say "It must be Daisy" either just makes me feel that much more like he is sincere and trying to find actual baddies.

I don't think Mac is bad, despite Marmot's no u. :shrugs:

This leaves me with LC. The thing I can't get past is Epi's case about the vote LC placed yesterday coupled with the fact Lorab didn't vote to save herself. I can't think of a single good reason not to vote to save yourself if you are in a lynch tied with a civ. No one would think less of someone who casts a self preservation vote. So why didn't she?

NVN, I don't know what to think of him. Nothing and then a bunch of posts in self defense. I didn't even think he (? correct me if I am wrong) was even actually playing. I was actually kind of worried the stuff in the early game had driven him off. I would say he would be a second suspect for me, the timing of the sudden activity combined with the voting shenanigans has me questioning. I still think I feel more confident in LC though. I mean if NVN were bad, he could have kept right on laying low and it would have taken a while for PoE to get to him. I don't know. LC is more suspicious to me.

I'm going to go ahead and put a vote on LC and then go back and look at Mac's case again.

*Votes LC*

Sloonei mentioned this earlier and I have similar concerns. This post seems to be a walkthrough of the thought process that eventually culminates in a LC vote, and I don't care for any of it until the last large paragraph. The bit about Marmot and Mac is pretty pointless. The bit about Kyle doesn't even reflect the reality of this game as far as I can tell. I don't know why she's drawn up this "Kyle/Daisy" dichotomy, because I haven't felt that way at any juncture. It's also a dubious reason to give Kyle credit. This stuff reads like someone who knows where their vote is going and is trying to manufacture the right image before getting to the point.

However, I am at least a little more pleased with what she said about NVN toward the end. The opportunity to pursue that line of attack more fervently was in place, whether she voted there or not, and she still focused her eye on LC. So that's a bit better.

~~~

Conclusion -- I think she belongs in the "tinfoil" category alongside the likes of Mac, meaning she shouldn't be a priority lynch. She is in the POE pool though.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:47 pm**

Alright yeah i'd vote for NVN.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:35 pm**

Long Con and Marmot

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Typical WIFOM

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Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:14 am Well, right now it looks like he's shoehorning Marmot into lynch position for dubious reasons.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:19 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:15 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:14 am Well, right now it looks like he's shoehorning Marmot into lynch position for dubious reasons.
Do you read Marmot as town?
GTH yes. I haven't been pinged by him. Lazy play, despite what Macdougall is saying, isn't much of a baddie tell for Marmot.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:32 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:25 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:19 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:15 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:14 am Well, right now it looks like he's shoehorning Marmot into lynch position for dubious reasons.
Do you read Marmot as town?
GTH yes. I haven't been pinged by him. Lazy play, despite what Macdougall is saying, isn't much of a baddie tell for Marmot.
Can you tell me more about why Macdougall is scum? Is it based entirely on his recent treatment of the marmot?
Actually, it is based on the recent stuff. I'm having some trouble with the two concurrent games running, and getting mixed up between them. This is something that currently looks suspicious.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:45 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:36 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:32 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:25 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:19 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:15 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:14 am Well, right now it looks like he's shoehorning Marmot into lynch position for dubious reasons.
Do you read Marmot as town?
GTH yes. I haven't been pinged by him. Lazy play, despite what Macdougall is saying, isn't much of a baddie tell for Marmot.
Can you tell me more about why Macdougall is scum? Is it based entirely on his recent treatment of the marmot?
Actually, it is based on the recent stuff. I'm having some trouble with the two concurrent games running, and getting mixed up between them. This is something that currently looks suspicious.
why is "push Marmot" a viable scum strategy for Macdougall entering Day 3?
Attacking Marmot for lazy play, as if Marmot tends to be an overly-vocal, super-analytical player. Possibly ironic, because THAT looks like lazy play on Macdougall's part, going after Marmot for his extremely usual play.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:56 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:53 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:45 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:36 am why is "push Marmot" a viable scum strategy for Macdougall entering Day 3?
Attacking Marmot for lazy play, as if Marmot tends to be an overly-vocal, super-analytical player. Possibly ironic, because THAT looks like lazy play on Macdougall's part, going after Marmot for his extremely usual play.
I'm not sure this answers my question, so I'll rephrase: why does it make sense for macdougall, as scum, to pick Marmot of all people as his lynch target for the day?
I guess if I were a better Mafia player, I could figure out that answer. Unless it specifically makes NO sense, then it's a strategy a person could go with. If Marmot is Civ and Mac is bad, then it makes sense to try and get a Civ lynched, while also looking like you're doing some new, fresh hunting. In this instance, though, the new, fresh hunting looks stale.

That's all of LC's responses to Mac's suspicion of Marmot. To me it reads more like LC has TMI on Marmot being a civilian and wants to make Mac look bad if Marmot gets lynched (indicating civilians on each end, with more capacity for Mac distancing than Marmot protecting). This isn't a slam dunk read so I can understand those who may disagree.

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Not sure why LC is relevant to Marmot's read on NVN here.

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Marmot preferred an NVN lynch and was vague in his agreement that LC "could" be mafia. He also threw some pretty baseless tinfoil into the thread. This isn't my favorite thing, though a failure to just annihilate a teammate LC at this point is a confusing move for anyone.

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Conclusion -- I cannot find the confidence to remove him from the POE pool. He's not my first priority though.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:36 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:06 pm
FZ. wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:55 pm
FZ. wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:54 pm Can we just lynch Nova next day and hope for the best?
He's my top pick right now and it isn't especially close.
Mine too, it's just that it feels too easy. But hey, maybe it is

@linki: I don't think it's Wilgy. I think he was a different quiet and lazy when he was bad last time I played with him. He actually apologized for being away and not contributing. Now it's like he doesn't give a damn
Wilgy is the meta master. He tries different things every time he is mafia. You cannot use meta well on him. The best way to case him is to try to civ read him for his civilian efforts. If they are lacking then there is often a Mafia shirt under his button down.

If you put votes on town Wilgy he usually white flags. Mafia Wilgy usually pours gasoline everywhere and sets fire to the place.

Or so.etimes I do the same things in a row as a certain alignment to set expectations for the sweeeeeeet victory it earns me after 6 losses.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:37 pm**

Herro.

So here's my realistic POE: Nova, Wilgy and Marmot - for mafia.
If we need to get rid of 3p, then who fucking knows.

Also, the road towards a town win might not be a straight line. There's a lot of unknowns still and I think town should still be on the lookout and not slack. I don't want a good position to turn into a situation where town snoozes and loses.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:42 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:20 pm Long Con and novaselinenever

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Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:00 am The chance involves the night. Your generosity has to extend to lynching me tomorrow if you're not satisfied.

I'm voting NVN right now, because I don't believe a word she's saying. He? She?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:03 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:01 am I would also be willing to change my vote if you can change my mind/bring up a better alternative
NVN is the alternative that I'm most sure of. Maybe I'm not understanding their posts today, but I guarantee NVN has no info on me.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:23 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:18 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:13 am I don't actually know that trick. I can't recall ever seeing that trick.

Nobody reveal your Civ powers.
What do you think of NVN if you make the following assumption:

He did not intend to actually claim information and instead worded his suspicion of you awkwardly because he isn't familiar with Syndicate jargon?
I would think he is trying to make shit up to push my easy lynch because that's how he thinks it goes? It was just vague enough.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:27 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:23 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:21 am I don't even know the issue here. We're not in lylo or mylo or whatever. Lynch me tomorrow if you're not satisfied.
This is the most bored plea I've ever seen.
Despair can look like boredom. It doesn't seem like anyone is willing to give me the benefit of the doubt just once. I'm sorry that I haven't been able to always be so participatory in this game.

Maybe just forget the proving thing. It's kind of sketchy at this point anyway, I haven't actually confirmed with the host that it's cool. Get me out of the way, and you'll probably be looking at NVN tomorrow, and we can still win.

There was no mention until LC's lynch was nigh, and he threw a bunch of mud at NVN over the perceived "info" thing. I don't care about any of this.

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.
The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:55 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:54 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:47 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.
The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town
Eh?
lol wrong about me. I've my names in red/yellow in several rainbows
What is it about LC that you think looks like mafia?
His excuses of trying to catch up and then casting a vote to save himself at the end of the day. He made some post and was around for a bit before casting that vote. He also didn't question him or voice anything against him. It seems like he was just trying to throw excuses for his change of vote.
I also didn't get his whole 'didn't have a chance to investigate Lorab or others'. He's also been asking a lot of simple, which seems weird.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:11 pm Do you have any other reads to share, novaselinenever? I'd even be happy if you could just go through the list of remaining players and give a simple "Good" or "Bad" read for each of them. Of course, any more detailed reads you might be able to shade would be superb as well.

Daisy Good
Dizzy Good
Epi Good
FZ Good
JJJ Good
Kyle Good
LC Mafia
Mac 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
Marmot 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
NVN Great
Nutella Good
Sloonei Good
Wilgy Good

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:39 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:34 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:33 am JaggedJimmyJay You've been flip flopping a lot between me and LC
Is that right? What do you think about that?
A Townie having doubts and not too sure who to vote.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:47 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:45 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:43 am I'd lynch several people before Nova at this point.
I'll await verification on the LC flip. If it goes according to plan, I'd lynch zero people before NVN.
If he flips scums, how does that make me scum ? Weren't I going after him until I figured something else ?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:14 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:50 am Look at who is not on Long Con wagon. Nova and Marmot.

I feel like it would be a bit dumb to not be on his wagon.
I was on his wagon very early on and gave my reads on him. I wanted to go after Marmot, they were enough people going after LC already

This guy has no opinion on anything in the entire game until LC is in trouble for the majority of a day phase, and he hops right on with the attack with a tone of confidence despite his read being entirely vague. Then, when I moved my vote to Marmot to make the tally 4-2 LC-Marmot, he followed me right over and made it 4-3. None of this makes any sense; I don't buy it. I think it's more likely that in BTSC LC sensed his own danger and recommended to NVN that he come by and eviscerate him. He tried, and fumbled that vote as awkwardly as any vote can be fumbled, and at no point explained himself adequately.

If you are right, this is the worst scum performance I have ever seen bar none. Sorry scummers but I calls it as I sees it.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm**

Best reasons to read each player as a civilian, colored by the strength of the statement.

DaveDaisy

~ After being clearly upset about the way her previous body was mislynched, Daisy returned to the game with a fire lit under her ass and pursued her convictions loudly.
~ She has been willing to change her mind when the progression of the game has dictated that without hanging on too tightly to dubious threads.
~ She conveys an earnest tone which suits her previous form, at least the four posts available to us.

DrWilgy

~ He was essentially ignored by both confirmed mafia members. One might expect them to poke or prod him to life at least once.
~ He gives no impression that he is concerned with the state of the game or with being lynched by process of elimination.

Dyslexicon

~ They were an early critic of LoRab, and in her response to that criticism she seemed to be trying to convince someone of her innocence more than simply trading barbs.
~ When they've been available to play, they have provided a consistently thorough effort.

Epignosis

~ LoRab was eager to lynch him on Day 1 and didn't budge from that perspective through Night 1 when Epignosis was being painted as a dead man walking.
~ Long Con interacted with him very little early in the game while he and I were fist-fighting, suggesting that he was enjoying a civilian vs. civilian powder keg being in the room.

FZ.

~ She made it a personal crusade to see LC lynched and did not budge from that at any juncture. LC's handling of that pressure was much like LoRab's handling of Dizzy.
~ She provides a good effort when she is available to play and conveys an earnest tone.

JaggedJimmyJay

~ It's gotta be that beautiful, tight butt.

Kylemii

~ Long Con danced around his read on Kyle early relative to the fake tell in such a way that it looked like he was capitalizing on thread progression and smearing.
~ His effort has been decent and he has been present frequently.
~ He conveys an earnest tone.

MacDougall

~ He was the first to calm the environment of the thread in Night 1 with unique analytic effort, drawing possible team connections.
~ This is the best effort he has given in a game in recent memory.
~ He conveys an earnest tone.

Marmot

~ Long Con treated him like he was an easy-button mislynch when Mac interrogated him, suggesting TMI.
~ He sounded rather genuine in response to being suspected early in the game (before Mac's attacks became more frequent).

novaselinenever

~ He might be an information-carrying role who misunderstood the rules.
~ He's the most obvious option and it's rarely this easy.

nutella

~ On Day 2 she was all over the place with her vote, a literal expression of this emoji: . After freaking out with indecision she ended up on LoRab, and she didn't have to.
~ She has conveyed an earnest tone.

Sloonei

~ He was an eager driver of the LoRab lynch and contributor to the Long Con lynch.
~ He has over 400 posts.
~ He hasn't stopped hunting despite being heavily suspected at numerous junctures of play.

This exploration doesn't change my POE. It does however give me a reason to double-check nutella's interactions with the mafia, because that point about her LoRab vote used to be stronger before it came to be known that the counterwagon was also a mafioso.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:06 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:06 pm
FZ. wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:55 pm
FZ. wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:54 pm Can we just lynch Nova next day and hope for the best?
He's my top pick right now and it isn't especially close.
Mine too, it's just that it feels too easy. But hey, maybe it is

@linki: I don't think it's Wilgy. I think he was a different quiet and lazy when he was bad last time I played with him. He actually apologized for being away and not contributing. Now it's like he doesn't give a damn
Wilgy is the meta master. He tries different things every time he is mafia. You cannot use meta well on him. The best way to case him is to try to civ read him for his civilian efforts. If they are lacking then there is often a Mafia shirt under his button down.

If you put votes on town Wilgy he usually white flags. Mafia Wilgy usually pours gasoline everywhere and sets fire to the place.
Or so.etimes I do the same things in a row as a certain alignment to set expectations for the sweeeeeeet victory it earns me after 6 losses.

You sure do

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:06 pm**

Jimmy can you make one of my points darker green please. Thanks.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:07 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:06 pm Jimmy can you make one of my points darker green please. Thanks.

Me too!!

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:22 pm**

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:31 pm**

MacDougall

~ He was the first to calm the environment of the thread in Night 1 with unique analytic effort, drawing possible team connections.
~ This is the best effort he has given in a game in recent memory.
~ He conveys an earnest tone.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:39 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm~ His effort has been decent and he has been present frequently.

is this like the mafia version of "a pleasure to have in class"?

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:58 pm**

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:01 pm**

Seriously though Mac, I think we're in a pretty similar place with regard to the POE pool. The order might not be identical, but whatever.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:02 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:01 pm Seriously though Mac, I think we're in a pretty similar place with regard to the POE pool. The order might not be identical, but whatever.

Yes failing a brilliant game by a random who has somehow earned buckets of civ cred ... I REEEALLLY hope we haven't got a situation where one of the main players has hard bussed their teammates and looked clean as a whistle in the process but can't rule it out.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:21 pm**

Long Con and nutella

Spoiler: show

He threw shade at both Mac and nutella for their debate over the copypasta rainbow list. It is unclear why.

Spoiler: show

They had a few of these silly banter posts.

Picture battle

k

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This post acknowledge that I may think LC ate my poop but does little with it.

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Indirect prod.

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Decent that nutella included both LoRab and Long Con in this little wolf list.

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The read is reiterated as "pretty orange".

A full rainbow featuring an orange LC

Promoted to a lighter shade of orange next time

Hater.

Spoiler: show

She's happy to lynch either of the two confirmed mafia which is cool beans, but she is drawn to a Sloonei lynch which I have felt was a very poor choice at every juncture of this game. So that's a bit ew.

Spoiler: show

This looked a lot worse before LC flipped mafia. Now it's pretty groovy. It's pretty radical, dude. Totally tubular. This kind of setup would force her to be nice to me after my LC case turns into a mafia lynch, which wouldn't serve to her benefit much at all if she is his teammate. Good look.

She oranges LC again but spends much of her explanation for that talking about me instead of him. Meh.

Spoiler: show

Player salad!

Spoiler: show

Kyle is her projected target post-LC. I haven't agreed with any of the connections she has drawn. To be fair she wasn't alone in this one.

~~~

Conclusion -- There are some very small gripes here. The point that moves me most though was the good look that I had previously hated. Gun to my head she is not mafia.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:31 pm**

I have not read this page, but it damn sure looks like fun.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:20 pm**

I don't think there's any reason to believe I'm civilian.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:21 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:20 pm I don't think there's any reason to believe I'm civilian.

How would you handle it if in a game you were everyone's top civilian read?

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:23 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:20 pm I don't think there's any reason to believe I'm civilian.
How would you handle it if in a game you were everyone's top civilian read?

My goal in life is to become even just a single person's top civilian read.

To be everyone's top civilian read, that's like my wet dream.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:35 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm Best reasons to read each player as a civilian, colored by the strength of the statement.

DaveDaisy

~ After being clearly upset about the way her previous body was mislynched, Daisy returned to the game with a fire lit under her ass and pursued her convictions loudly.
~ She has been willing to change her mind when the progression of the game has dictated that without hanging on too tightly to dubious threads.
~ She conveys an earnest tone which suits her previous form, at least the four posts available to us.

I suspect spacedaisy more for that. She was not a major presence early on. She subs in on the other side, so she feels the need to look like she's doing something. She has no credibility from me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm DrWilgy

~ He was essentially ignored by both confirmed mafia members. One might expect them to poke or prod him to life at least once.
~ He gives no impression that he is concerned with the state of the game or with being lynched by process of elimination.

I'd lynch him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm Dyslexicon

~ They were an early critic of LoRab, and in her response to that criticism she seemed to be trying to convince someone of her innocence more than simply trading barbs.
~ When they've been available to play, they have provided a consistently thorough effort.

I would lynch.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm Epignosis

~ LoRab was eager to lynch him on Day 1 and didn't budge from that perspective through Night 1 when Epignosis was being painted as a dead man walking.
~ Long Con interacted with him very little early in the game while he and I were fist-fighting, suggesting that he was enjoying a civilian vs. civilian powder keg being in the room.

I would share a Pesach supper with him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm FZ.

~ She made it a personal crusade to see LC lynched and did not budge from that at any juncture. LC's handling of that pressure was much like LoRab's handling of Dizzy.
~ She provides a good effort when she is available to play and conveys an earnest tone.

Her suspicion of Long Con came about because he answered for her, and she didn't take kindly to that. That would mean her treatment of him was dependent upon my treatment of her. FZ. is a civilian.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm JaggedJimmyJay

~ It's gotta be that beautiful, tight butt.

Sandra Lee has many things to say about that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm Kylemii

~ Long Con danced around his read on Kyle early relative to the fake tell in such a way that it looked like he was capitalizing on thread progression and smearing.
~ His effort has been decent and he has been present frequently.
~ He conveys an earnest tone.

He cares about the roof (or ghostly roofs- I don't care about the ghostly roofs).

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm MacDougall

~ He was the first to calm the environment of the thread in Night 1 with unique analytic effort, drawing possible team connections.
~ This is the best effort he has given in a game in recent memory.
~ He conveys an earnest tone.

MacDougall cares about Putin's roof. That's how much he cares about a roof. If anybody needs me to explain why, I will.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm Marmot

~ Long Con treated him like he was an easy-button mislynch when Mac interrogated him, suggesting TMI.
~ He sounded rather genuine in response to being suspected early in the game (before Mac's attacks became more frequent).

I would lynch the rat.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm novaselinenever

~ He might be an information-carrying role who misunderstood the rules.
~ He's the most obvious option and it's rarely this easy.

I want to hear him talk more.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm nutella

~ On Day 2 she was all over the place with her vote, a literal expression of this emoji: . After freaking out with indecision she ended up on LoRab, and she didn't have to.
~ She has conveyed an earnest tone.

Lynch her out of frustration if you get nothing right.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm
Sloonei

~ He was an eager driver of the LoRab lynch and contributor to the Long Con lynch.
~ He has over 400 posts.
~ He hasn't stopped hunting despite being heavily suspected at numerous junctures of play.

This exploration doesn't change my POE. It does however give me a reason to double-check nutella's interactions with the mafia, because that point about her LoRab vote used to be stronger before it came to be known that the counterwagon was also a mafioso.

JJJ and Sloonei are teammates. Lynch them.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:31 pm**

JFC that Mortal Kombat game is doing my head in

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:39 am**

This page was a fun read.

But seriously I am pretty dang mafiaed out for the day. If I get around to more in-depth POE analysis it'll be in the morning.

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:59 am**

I've been reading through my night at work but I'm struggling with a really bad migraine tonight guys so I can't handle looking at the screen anymore. Night guys.

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:00 am**

I propose that we all shut up for Day 4 and make the POE suspects (NVN, Daisy, Marmot, & Wilgy) figure it out on their own.

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:12 am**

Night 3 - This Guy Gets It

With the Constable dead, the Anatevka Police Department was under new management. The Tsar had sent This Guy himself to take over and enforce a vicious regime of terror upon the village. This Guy wasted little time in making himself credible; he assembled all of the villagers in the town square and made a bold proclamation.

"The time for vigilantism is over," he thundered. "To make it clear that our Empire will have none of it, I've arranged a...demonstration here tonight."

The soldiers scanned the crowd for potential victims, and found Nutella mimicking This Guy disrespectfully. Enraged by her insolence, they dragged her to the front of the crowd. This Guy drew a pistol and shot Nutella in the heart.

"Another attempt to subvert my authority, and more shall fall!" he said ominously, turning on his heel and walking back to the station.

Nutella has been killed. It is now Day 4. You have 24 hours to lynch someone.

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:13 am**

A message from Avram:

This is Avram's Night 3 message. Avram does not have much to say other than to encourage his Jewish brothers and sisters to keep up the good work. There is work to be done, but it's being done. The more we keep turning things inside out, the harder it will be for our adversary to hide. Trust in each other and remember the commandments and this game is ours. Avram out.

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:16 am**

My vote is starting the day on [mention]novaselinenever[/mention].

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:20 am**

Rip nut. Strange choice.

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:23 am**

rip nutella

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:12 am"To make it clear that our Empire will have none of it, I've arranged a...demonstration here tonight."

......was Russia an empire?

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:25 am**

new Kyle-meta announcement: effective immediately, I vote at the start of the day instead of at the end of the day now.

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:40 am**

NVN dropped a silent vote on Marmot.

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:41 am**

New Meta Alert: from now on I will loudly announce when I am making changes to my overall gameplay style.

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:43 am**

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention] [mention]Marmot[/mention] [mention]DrWilgy[/mention] [mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] Tell us who should be lynched today. I'm pretty sure it's one of you four. Help me figure out which one by not being it.

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:02 am**

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