Fiddler on the Roof Mafia

[Long Con]

why is "push Marmot" a viable scum strategy for Macdougall entering Day 3?

Attacking Marmot for lazy play, as if Marmot tends to be an overly-vocal, super-analytical player. Possibly ironic, because THAT looks like lazy play on Macdougall's part, going after Marmot for his extremely usual play.

I'm not sure this answers my question, so I'll rephrase: why does it make sense for macdougall, as scum, to pick Marmot of all people as his lynch target for the day?

I guess if I were a better Mafia player, I could figure out that answer. Unless it specifically makes NO sense, then it's a strategy a person could go with. If Marmot is Civ and Mac is bad, then it makes sense to try and get a Civ lynched, while also looking like you're doing some new, fresh hunting. In this instance, though, the new, fresh hunting looks stale.

[Long Con]

Long Con- do me a favor, will ya? And go find mafia.

I'm trying.

Does anyone else have trouble with the two concurrent games?

[Kylemii]

Can anyone make an argument for Kyle to be town?

yes :/

Of the players you've ISO'd so far, who do you think is the most likely partner of LoRab?

at this point, long con

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I believe SD's defenses and don't find her pre lorab death posts all that suspicious either. I believe Jay is doing his best and I also have a role in mind for him.

the fact that neither of LC nor LR discussed each other while doing so and convincing us that the other player was more likely to be scum would have been their only chance at survival is troubling.

[Kylemii]

Lorab:

lorabs push against epi was too consistent to be distancing, I see where Sloonei is coming from in the comment about buddying Nutella, asks about the LC case, doesn't seem to do anything with it. speed is an unlikely partner as well, same reason as epi. I don't see Sloonei as a partner either. Lorab doesn't seem to discuss long con at all, even near the end of day when the lynch is down to the two of them

stream of consciousness; I was commenting on lorabs pursuit of him. obviously his death makes him even less likely to be mafia

[Epignosis]

Long Con- do me a favor, will ya? And go find mafia.

I'm trying.

Does anyone else have trouble with the two concurrent games?

I'm hosting the other one. Yes.

[Sloonei]

Long Con- do me a favor, will ya? And go find mafia.

I'm trying.

Does anyone else have trouble with the two concurrent games?

No, I'm handling it pretty well over here.

[Sloonei]

Lorab:

lorabs push against epi was too consistent to be distancing, I see where Sloonei is coming from in the comment about buddying Nutella, asks about the LC case, doesn't seem to do anything with it. speed is an unlikely partner as well, same reason as epi. I don't see Sloonei as a partner either. Lorab doesn't seem to discuss long con at all, even near the end of day when the lynch is down to the two of them

stream of consciousness; I was commenting on lorabs pursuit of him. obviously his death makes him even less likely to be mafia

Yeah. This makes me want to move my vote. I highly doubt a mafia member momentarily forgets they just killed a guy.

[Long Con]

Can anyone make an argument for Kyle to be town?

yes :/

Of the players you've ISO'd so far, who do you think is the most likely partner of LoRab?

at this point, long con

Tellmemore.gif

I believe SD's defenses and don't find her pre lorab death posts all that suspicious either. I believe Jay is doing his best and I also have a role in mind for him.

the fact that neither of LC nor LR discussed each other while doing so and convincing us that the other player was more likely to be scum would have been their only chance at survival is troubling.

Well, if you read the lynch sober, you'll see that I came in after work last minute, and wasn't able to catch up, just voting to try to save myself. I didn't have a chance to investigate Lorab or anyone else.

[Sloonei]

Moved my vote to novaselinenever because I don't want to pile on LC or wilgy right now.

[Sloonei]

Well, if you read the lynch sober, you'll see that I came in after work last minute, and wasn't able to catch up, just voting to try to save myself. I didn't have a chance to investigate Lorab or anyone else.

so why the vote for epi?

[Marmot]

Long Con- do me a favor, will ya? And go find mafia.

I'm trying.

Does anyone else have trouble with the two concurrent games?

I was in three earlier today.

[Kylemii]

Well, if you read the lynch sober, you'll see that I came in after work last minute, and wasn't able to catch up, just voting to try to save myself. I didn't have a chance to investigate Lorab or anyone else.

you arrived around 8:40, so you had about a half hour to figure things out. you made about 6 or 7 posts. you asked about the case against yourself and responded to my directly asking you directly about why I shouldn't vote for you (and lorab and a secret player named jaggedjimmyjag). you didn't ask about the case against lorab or jay, or anyone else for that matter.

also:

I had several tabs open, for catching up, writing responses, Mortal Kombat, etc, and when I realized that the time was running out, the poll I voted in had Epi as the best possibility to save myself. After my vote went in, though, there was some shifting due to last-few-minutes vote changing, and Lorab was my only way.

which parts of this thread did you prioritize while catching up last night? even if you weren't able to get caught up completely, you at least started. what was your focus in those 27 minutes?

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall, what do you say to LC's accusation that you're "dubiously shoehorning" Marmot into a lynch?

I would say that I have raised valid concerns and that his description is inaccurate.

[MacDougall]

why is "push Marmot" a viable scum strategy for Macdougall entering Day 3?

Attacking Marmot for lazy play, as if Marmot tends to be an overly-vocal, super-analytical player. Possibly ironic, because THAT looks like lazy play on Macdougall's part, going after Marmot for his extremely usual play.

I'm not sure this answers my question, so I'll rephrase: why does it make sense for macdougall, as scum, to pick Marmot of all people as his lynch target for the day?

I guess if I were a better Mafia player, I could figure out that answer. Unless it specifically makes NO sense, then it's a strategy a person could go with. If Marmot is Civ and Mac is bad, then it makes sense to try and get a Civ lynched, while also looking like you're doing some new, fresh hunting. In this instance, though, the new, fresh hunting looks stale.

Well I am doing my best to make a sensible case against a player I find suspicious. I also haven't just plucked him out of nowhere as you are suggesting.

I have been trying harder to solve the game than most. Yourself and Marmot included. I suggest you look elsewhere because I am a civ.

[FZ.]

why is "push Marmot" a viable scum strategy for Macdougall entering Day 3?

Attacking Marmot for lazy play, as if Marmot tends to be an overly-vocal, super-analytical player. Possibly ironic, because THAT looks like lazy play on Macdougall's part, going after Marmot for his extremely usual play.

I'm not sure this answers my question, so I'll rephrase: why does it make sense for macdougall, as scum, to pick Marmot of all people as his lynch target for the day?

I guess if I were a better Mafia player, I could figure out that answer. Unless it specifically makes NO sense, then it's a strategy a person could go with. If Marmot is Civ and Mac is bad, then it makes sense to try and get a Civ lynched, while also looking like you're doing some new, fresh hunting. In this instance, though, the new, fresh hunting looks stale.

Well I am doing my best to make a sensible case against a player I find suspicious. I also haven't just plucked him out of nowhere as you are suggesting.

I have been trying harder to solve the game than most. Yourself and Marmot included. I suggest you look elsewhere because I am a civ.

He's going after you because he's bad and he needs to put the blame somewhere...

[nutella]

I just reread this whole Mac/Marmot exchange and it's quite ridiculous. I think Mac is overreacting. Like, he's been my strongest town read all game, and I don't understand why Marmot is claiming to scumread him, but I don't think I agree with Mac's leap in confidently believing Marmot is bad for this. I have no reason to townread Marmot and he is a potential mafia, but I don't think this Mac business is particularly alignment-indicative, it's just Marmot being weird, as he tends to be. Idk, it could be scum or indie Marmot trying to pull some crazy gambit, but maybe he really does suspect Mac? I guess I wouldn't be opposed to a Marmot lynch today but I don't see why Mac is so confident.

....Or LC and Marmot are our two scum trying some bizarro strategy of pushing a lynch of one of the most widely townread people in the game. Crazy gambit time... I'd believe it coming from those two tbh

.........Or Mac has been bad this whole time..... but seriously I would eat a pack of tinfoil if that turned out to be the case.

[MacDougall]

I just reread this whole Mac/Marmot exchange and it's quite ridiculous. I think Mac is overreacting. Like, he's been my strongest town read all game, and I don't understand why Marmot is claiming to scumread him, but I don't think I agree with Mac's leap in confidently believing Marmot is bad for this. I have no reason to townread Marmot and he is a potential mafia, but I don't think this Mac business is particularly alignment-indicative, it's just Marmot being weird, as he tends to be. Idk, it could be scum or indie Marmot trying to pull some crazy gambit, but maybe he really does suspect Mac? I guess I wouldn't be opposed to a Marmot lynch today but I don't see why Mac is so confident.

....Or LC and Marmot are our two scum trying some bizarro strategy of pushing a lynch of one of the most widely townread people in the game. Crazy gambit time... I'd believe it coming from those two tbh

.........Or Mac has been bad this whole time..... but seriously I would eat a pack of tinfoil if that turned out to be the case.

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[FZ.]

I'm down to Kyle or Daisy after we lynch LC. Sure, it can also be Nova (not even sure about his name), but if so, then I don't even care...

LC has not been playing his regular game, I don't care what he says. He's being more diplomatic (in LC standards) than he usually is. Taking less of a stand and like I said, asking more questions and clarifications than I expect him to.

Some of Daisy's actions and stances are questionable, but her tone feels more genuine, and then there's kyle who has been talked about the entire game. He feels a lot more careful than Daisy to me, which makes me say he's the last baddie over her, but who knows

[MacDougall]

I'm down to Kyle or Daisy after we lynch LC. Sure, it can also be Nova (not even sure about his name), but if so, then I don't even care...

LC has not been playing his regular game, I don't care what he says. He's being more diplomatic (in LC standards) than he usually is. Taking less of a stand and like I said, asking more questions and clarifications than I expect him to.

Some of Daisy's actions and stances are questionable, but her tone feels more genuine, and then there's kyle who has been talked about the entire game. He feels a lot more careful than Daisy to me, which makes me say he's the last baddie over her, but who knows

I presume you believe Marmot to be a civ then?

[FZ.]

I'm down to Kyle or Daisy after we lynch LC. Sure, it can also be Nova (not even sure about his name), but if so, then I don't even care...

LC has not been playing his regular game, I don't care what he says. He's being more diplomatic (in LC standards) than he usually is. Taking less of a stand and like I said, asking more questions and clarifications than I expect him to.

Some of Daisy's actions and stances are questionable, but her tone feels more genuine, and then there's kyle who has been talked about the entire game. He feels a lot more careful than Daisy to me, which makes me say he's the last baddie over her, but who knows

I presume you believe Marmot to be a civ then?

Not sold on it, but yeah

[speedchuck]

Mazel Tov

[Sloonei]

24 hours ago I felt good that one of Daisy or Kyle was bad, but they've both done things thay prompt me tk change my mind. Long Con has not, so he's emerged as my top suspect, but the other two have complicated things for me and I've begun to second guess some of my town reads.
It could just be LC and NVN as the remaining baddies, but I'm not comfortable banking on that. We've also got an indie role that might be worth worrying about.

[Sloonei]

Lorab:

lorabs push against epi was too consistent to be distancing, I see where Sloonei is coming from in the comment about buddying Nutella, asks about the LC case, doesn't seem to do anything with it. speed is an unlikely partner as well, same reason as epi. I don't see Sloonei as a partner either. Lorab doesn't seem to discuss long con at all, even near the end of day when the lynch is down to the two of them

Does anyone else feel like this is as strong as I think it is? Kyle made this post well after speedchuck's death have been revealed. I don't see scum kyle overlooking or forgetting his own nightkill victim.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Lorab:

lorabs push against epi was too consistent to be distancing, I see where Sloonei is coming from in the comment about buddying Nutella, asks about the LC case, doesn't seem to do anything with it. speed is an unlikely partner as well, same reason as epi. I don't see Sloonei as a partner either. Lorab doesn't seem to discuss long con at all, even near the end of day when the lynch is down to the two of them

Does anyone else feel like this is as strong as I think it is? Kyle made this post well after speedchuck's death have been revealed. I don't see scum kyle overlooking or forgetting his own nightkill victim.

The obvious counterpoint would be:

"It was intentional. Kyle stuck that in there on purpose to make it look like he forgot who he just killed."

And that's the sort of point that is usually crap. I wouldn't call that the best slam-dunk reason to read Kyle as a civilian, but it doesn't hurt his case at all.

[Sloonei]

Is there an argument for Long Con to be town?

[Sloonei]

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Is there an argument for Long Con to be town?

I think it can fairly be reduced to his mega-post/case on speedchuck. If you read that thing and see nothing but a glowing beacon of sincerity, then that would be telling. At first I thought it was a nice look, not simply for being effortful, but for being well-conceived. I think my initial reception was colored by the influence "Epi/JJJ" had over it though. I don't have to think too hard to place a mafia LC in the shoes of that post's creator.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The early returns across a few games seem to indicate that this is what should be expected from novaselinenever -- not just a lower post count, but also a lack of concrete [or any] reads. This means that reading him as mafia would amount to little better than a guess. Like you said though, he is never going to be left out of any POE pool playing this way and remains a valid suspect if not necessarily a compelling one.

[Sloonei]

Well, if you read the lynch sober, you'll see that I came in after work last minute, and wasn't able to catch up, just voting to try to save myself. I didn't have a chance to investigate Lorab or anyone else.

you arrived around 8:40, so you had about a half hour to figure things out. you made about 6 or 7 posts. you asked about the case against yourself and responded to my directly asking you directly about why I shouldn't vote for you (and lorab and a secret player named jaggedjimmyjag). you didn't ask about the case against lorab or jay, or anyone else for that matter.

also:

I had several tabs open, for catching up, writing responses, Mortal Kombat, etc, and when I realized that the time was running out, the poll I voted in had Epi as the best possibility to save myself. After my vote went in, though, there was some shifting due to last-few-minutes vote changing, and Lorab was my only way.

which parts of this thread did you prioritize while catching up last night? even if you weren't able to get caught up completely, you at least started. what was your focus in those 27 minutes?

I also liked this post from Kyle and am waiting patiently for an answer from LC. There seems to be a discrepancy between LC Post #1 ("I didn't have a chance to investigate Lorab or anyone else.") and LC Post #2 ("I had several tabs open, for catching up."). The first, which is a retrospective summary from LC, suggests he was totally at a loss. The second, which came closer to the heat of the moment, implies he had been actively working to catch up. This is not a slam dunk, and this line of scum hunting usually produces more messiness than successful lynches, but this looks to me like a player fumbling over their words and fudging the story of their vote behavior. Epi has also called into question the validity of LC's excuse about "last-minute vote changing". I don't like LC's aura from EOD2 and I don't feel like he's adequately addressed any of the concerns around him today, nor do I feel like he's presented any insightful arguments for an alternative candidate. I'm open to a theory against Mac, but I'm not seeing it yet.

[novaselinenever]

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

[novaselinenever]

Lynching him would be a great idea.

[Marmot]

@MacDougall

I feel like you are playing a mafia game that parallels the one the rest of us our playing, like you're not playing this game fully, with your teammate compatibility angle.

I don't understand this post.

You blamed me for Spacedaisy's lynch.

@MacDougall

I feel like you are playing a mafia game that parallels the one the rest of us our playing, like you're not playing this game fully, with your teammate compatibility angle.

I don't understand this post.

You blamed me for Spacedaisy's lynch.

That's fair because I feel the same way. My perspectives are different to most. This always happens. When I find Mafia they tend to be the players everyone else misses and I am blind to the ones the majority catch.

I thought I explained very clearly why I went to group 3. The players I had scum reads on in group 1 and 2 were either not up for lynch or posting content that made me doubt my reads. I even made a point of saying it's time to consider that there are a lot of mafia in group 3. I picked you two out mostly because you were more front of mind than the others.

You were the one who posed whether I would feel differently if Daisy were the one catching votes when you were. And that was what caught my hastily thought through vote that ended up stuck on her wagon.

I haven't solved you. Some of your content looks civvie but I am gut reading you scum.

Spacedaisy wasn't up for a lynch... Until she suddenly was.

My point was, you went for the low-hanging fruit, Dr. Wilgy and Marmot. I'm also pretty sure also stated that the thread was moving in the direction of lynching me because of you (although I can't find that post right now). You're capable of doing such things, so why not push it towards a higher-profile suspect?

I don't think you cared that Spacedaisy was lynched. I get that you voted her in the end, but I'm not sure how meaningful it was.

These were my original beefs with Mac.


Another note to consider was that he originally placed his vote on me on Day 1 because no other player was suspicious enough to lynch, except for nutella, who he didn't have the gumption to lynch. So Mac also found evidence to fit his narrative and back up a vote that was not made on such grounds.

[Epignosis]

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

Eh?

[novaselinenever]

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

Eh?

lol wrong about me. I've my names in red/yellow in several rainbows

[JaggedJimmyJay]

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

Eh?

lol wrong about me. I've my names in red/yellow in several rainbows

What is it about LC that you think looks like mafia?

[Sloonei]

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

What makes you say this?

[novaselinenever]

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

Eh?

lol wrong about me. I've my names in red/yellow in several rainbows

What is it about LC that you think looks like mafia?

His excuses of trying to catch up and then casting a vote to save himself at the end of the day. He made some post and was around for a bit before casting that vote. He also didn't question him or voice anything against him. It seems like he was just trying to throw excuses for his change of vote.
I also didn't get his whole 'didn't have a chance to investigate Lorab or others'. He's also been asking a lot of simple, which seems weird.

[novaselinenever]

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

What makes you say this?

Just gave my thoughts to JJJ. Read above

[Sloonei]

Do you have any other reads to share, [mention]novaselinenever[/mention]? I'd even be happy if you could just go through the list of remaining players and give a simple "Good" or "Bad" read for each of them. Of course, any more detailed reads you might be able to shade would be superb as well.

[novaselinenever]

Do you have any other reads to share, @novaselinenever? I'd even be happy if you could just go through the list of remaining players and give a simple "Good" or "Bad" read for each of them. Of course, any more detailed reads you might be able to shade would be superb as well.

Daisy Good
Dizzy Good
Epi Good
FZ Good
JJJ Good
Kyle Good
LC Mafia
Mac 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
Marmot 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
NVN Great
Nutella Good
Sloonei Good
Wilgy Good

[Kylemii]

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

Lynching him would be a great idea.

him is nvn?

[novaselinenever]

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

Lynching him would be a great idea.

him is nvn?

Him is LC. NVN is a fellow townie

[Kylemii]

sorry I didn't realize that was a post made by you.

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

I thought the "him"s here was referring to a separate entity so I got confused.

[novaselinenever]

sorry I didn't realize that was a post made by you.

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

I thought the "him"s here was referring to a separate entity so I got confused.

Yeah, made a typo. The first 'him' should have been a 'me'.

[Sloonei]

I've been struggling to articulate why I think the tied lynch poll indicates a LoRab/Long Con scum pairing, but here it is: if only one of them was scum, I think we would have seen a push to save that one of them. There was no such push and the votes just kind of fell into place, with each of them having a more or less equal shot at being lynched. It was left in the hands of the rabbi without anyone being exposed by making a desperate heavento save a partner... except maybe Long Con for his brief Epi vote.

Granted, some of these votes came down in a quick flurry right around the deadline, and this theory assumes a somewhat complete coordination from the scum team. But if Long Con is bad then that's 2/3 right there. If it was just the two of them online at the time, then I could also see them hoping that we'd look past the survivor of the lynch under the assumption that they were the counterwagon to a baddie lynch.

[Sloonei]

I put my vote on Long Con because I'll be at work all night and don't see my decision changing at the moment.

[nutella]

Huh. Sudden burst of content from NVN heavily pushing an LC lynch. Very odd.

I'm feeling pretty confident in an LC lynch at the moment and voting accordingly.

[novaselinenever]

Huh. Sudden burst of content from NVN heavily pushing an LC lynch. Very odd.

I'm feeling pretty confident in an LC lynch at the moment and voting accordingly.

Just clearing my name. Sloonei asked to hear from me, I delivered. But it's all I have so far.

[Sloonei]

Mac 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
Marmot 2nd Mafia/3rd Party

I'm interested in these reads, NVN. You list them both as potentially being either mafia or 3rd party. what stands out about these two, and which do you think is more likely to be mafia, and which is more likely to be 3rd party?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Huh. Sudden burst of content from NVN heavily pushing an LC lynch. Very odd.

I'm feeling pretty confident in an LC lynch at the moment and voting accordingly.

Just clearing my name. Sloonei asked to hear from me, I delivered. But it's all I have so far.

For some reason I believe this. I'm gullible.