The Syndicate

golden seems v here

I would add Guillo to the town core

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:24 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:23 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:20 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:19 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:17 pm Why is that behavior by Golden townie iyo?

Because it's righteous. I just think so, maybe I'm wrong.

K

TBH I would have voted for you regardless of alignment last night. It was 1am and I had no energy for bullshit. Nice of dizzy to see it as righteous, but I wouldn’t read too much into that specific action.

Good point.

[VOTE: Golden] aubergine

You won’t elim me. If you want me dead you’ll be better off vigging me.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:25 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:24 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:23 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:20 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:19 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:17 pm Why is that behavior by Golden townie iyo?

Because it's righteous. I just think so, maybe I'm wrong.

K

TBH I would have voted for you regardless of alignment last night. It was 1am and I had no energy for bullshit. Nice of dizzy to see it as righteous, but I wouldn’t read too much into that specific action.

Good point.

[VOTE: Golden] aubergine

You won’t elim me. If you want me dead you’ll be better off vigging me.

Good point.

[VOTE: Cape90] aubergine

112 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:24 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:22 pm I dunno, I don't see how HK's reaction to Guillo is AI at this stage

You don't interpret my meaning/reasoning at all?

I feel it's something that could be done by HK regardless of AI...it's clear there's a bee in his bonnet w/ re: to Guillo over something that's been brewing for a spell. I'd rather sort HK by his solve energy (or lack thereof)

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:17 pm

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:15 pm I double checked btw, Mac posted: " I dunno I didn't read that. Your posts that I've read have all just felt like they entirely lacked a town strategic mindset. "

lol he is outed.

"town strategic mindset"

"town"

"strategic mindset"


lololol

Why is that outing

because I don't think it's a thought he would actually have. Townies can be a lot of things, including playing with strategy. But most don't, so basing a read on someone having a town strategic mindset is wild.

I am 95%+ likely to use my gun on a lowposter by the way.

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:27 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:17 pm

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:15 pm I double checked btw, Mac posted: " I dunno I didn't read that. Your posts that I've read have all just felt like they entirely lacked a town strategic mindset. "

lol he is outed.

"town strategic mindset"

"town"

"strategic mindset"


lololol

Why is that outing

because I don't think it's a thought he would actually have. Townies can be a lot of things, including playing with strategy. But most don't, so basing a read on someone having a town strategic mindset is wild.

I feel like most townies do?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:12 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:19 pm townreading Golden and Iawy for haughty overwrought content is like scumreading TSP for doing nothing but shitposting. Only someone experiencing deep generational poverty would.

There’s a reason why it’s so often townie for me, and presumptuously discounting it and shaming others for considering it because it doesn’t fit your biased worldview is very -EV

wdym "biased" worldview? He's not tunnelling you afaict so it's not confbias. Does he hold an OOG grudge or something?

He called me mafia within 10 minutes of entering the thread and every thought that he has uttered regarding me has only been digging his heels in on that read while discounting my actual content and anybody who provided an alternate read

I love Mac outside of the game, I don’t think we’re on bad terms or anything, but he’s quite clearly tunneling and looking for things that confirm his read rather than putting any real effort into considering a world where I’m not mafia

On a technical level, as I am town, any read that does not read me as town is biased against me, but “bias” in the context of that post should be read more as specifically “confirmation bias”, as that’s what he’s doing atm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:27 pm I am 95%+ likely to use my gun on a lowposter by the way.

by choice or by rule? or both?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:28 pm

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:27 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:17 pm

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:15 pm I double checked btw, Mac posted: " I dunno I didn't read that. Your posts that I've read have all just felt like they entirely lacked a town strategic mindset. "

lol he is outed.

"town strategic mindset"

"town"

"strategic mindset"


lololol

Why is that outing

because I don't think it's a thought he would actually have. Townies can be a lot of things, including playing with strategy. But most don't, so basing a read on someone having a town strategic mindset is wild.

I feel like most townies do?

especially me

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:23 pm

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:21 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:12 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:19 pm townreading Golden and Iawy for haughty overwrought content is like scumreading TSP for doing nothing but shitposting. Only someone experiencing deep generational poverty would.

There’s a reason why it’s so often townie for me, and presumptuously discounting it and shaming others for considering it because it doesn’t fit your biased worldview is very -EV

wdym "biased" worldview? He's not tunnelling you afaict so it's not confbias. Does he hold an OOG grudge or something?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:17 pm

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:15 pm I double checked btw, Mac posted: " I dunno I didn't read that. Your posts that I've read have all just felt like they entirely lacked a town strategic mindset. "

lol he is outed.

"town strategic mindset"

"town"

"strategic mindset"


lololol

Why is that outing

i dont think town alison cares to defend mac from nonsense accusations if she doesnt have a read on him

i think alison/mac w/w

-tutuu 35/40

Why wouldn't I speak out if I see blatant nonsense in the thread

you would care about making reads on people's alignments and convincing people to sheep you once you do. correcting wrong or silly things that have no obvious benefit is not something that i think town alison cares about or wastes her time or posts about. in this case she says she doesnt have a read on mac. mac could be mafia. who cares if he's getting scumread for silly reasons. what does it accomplish to just correct people's wrong posts, and just leave it at that? why not let mac get grilled a bit, see how he and others reacts, and then make reads on everyone? that sounds more like town alison

36/40

and mac was talking about me not playing with a strategic mindset, alison

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:28 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:27 pm I am 95%+ likely to use my gun on a lowposter by the way.

by choice or by rule? or both?

I can use it on anyone I want, but the way it works makes it a lot more profitable if I shoot a zeroposter that doesn't care about the game and will realistically be POE'd forever

Alison is growing on me a little bit

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:18 pm IAWY and Guillotine have both expressed strong ‘HK never acts this way as town’ views.

I don’t know HK at all. I’m interested in takes on:

A) are iawy and Guillo reliable readers of HK
B) do their meta points ring true to others.

I won’t toot my own horn as this is addressed to others, but I will say that me and HK have hydra’ed multiple times and there is at least one game I can readily think of over on MU where me and HK have strong V/V synergy

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:18 pm IAWY and Guillotine have both expressed strong ‘HK never acts this way as town’ views.

I don’t know HK at all. I’m interested in takes on:

A) are iawy and Guillo reliable readers of HK
B) do their meta points ring true to others.

No.

I do think I have as much (maybe more) xp with HK, and it could go either way. We just chop him in another game off site where he acted like this. He was town. IRL happens also.

Why are neither of you currently voting HK?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:27 pm I am 95%+ likely to use my gun on a lowposter by the way.

I nominate Porscha

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:32 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:18 pm IAWY and Guillotine have both expressed strong ‘HK never acts this way as town’ views.

I don’t know HK at all. I’m interested in takes on:

A) are iawy and Guillo reliable readers of HK
B) do their meta points ring true to others.

No.

I do think I have as much (maybe more) xp with HK, and it could go either way. We just chop him in another game off site where he acted like this. He was town. IRL happens also.

Thank you for the counterpoint. Is miseliming HK common?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:30 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:28 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:27 pm I am 95%+ likely to use my gun on a lowposter by the way.

by choice or by rule? or both?

I can use it on anyone I want, but the way it works makes it a lot more profitable if I shoot a zeroposter that doesn't care about the game and will realistically be POE'd forever

I’d agree with this.


Voting off zero posters/non active people is usually a waste of time since it’s a crapshoot if they’re mafia and it’s so easily for mafia to jump on said wagons for cover. Shooting them resolves this issue, it gets a flip of someone who likely won’t be active at end of game when town needs their vote, and IF they’re mafia than we can get someone who if not 100% cleared town at least very close to it.


(This is all void if I’m included in the “zero poster” camp and if I am that’s 100% a bad idea and only mafia would suggest it )

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:28 pm you would care about making reads on people's alignments and convincing people to sheep you once you do. correcting wrong or silly things that have no obvious benefit is not something that i think town alison cares about or wastes her time or posts about. in this case she says she doesnt have a read on mac. mac could be mafia. who cares if he's getting scumread for silly reasons. what does it accomplish to just correct people's wrong posts, and just leave it at that? why not let mac get grilled a bit, see how he and others reacts, and then make reads on everyone? that sounds more like town alison

36/40

1) I have always spoken out if I see people try to push BS in the thread. What are you talking about
2) Calling out blatant nonsense helps me get a read on the person propagating the nonsense, even if I have no read on Mac myself
3) I have publicly argued in the past that Mac should be given a day 1 pass even if I personally have suspicions of him
4) My asking IAWY what he meant by bias isn't even a defense of Mac, it's literally just asking him to elaborate what he means by bias.

iawy has been making some town posts
this is a bad thing because it means i have to reevaluate my read

wait porscha is in this game i forgot

sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:33 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:30 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:28 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:27 pm I am 95%+ likely to use my gun on a lowposter by the way.

by choice or by rule? or both?

I can use it on anyone I want, but the way it works makes it a lot more profitable if I shoot a zeroposter that doesn't care about the game and will realistically be POE'd forever

I’d agree with this.


Voting off zero posters/non active people is usually a waste of time since it’s a crapshoot if they’re mafia and it’s so easily for mafia to jump on said wagons for cover. Shooting them resolves this issue, it gets a flip of someone who likely won’t be active at end of game when town needs their vote, and IF they’re mafia than we can get someone who if not 100% cleared town at least very close to it.


(This is all void if I’m included in the “zero poster” camp and if I am that’s 100% a bad idea and only mafia would suggest it )

It's not just that, the specific way it works makes it weird

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:15 pm I double checked btw, Mac posted: " I dunno I didn't read that. Your posts that I've read have all just felt like they entirely lacked a town strategic mindset. "

lol he is outed.

"town strategic mindset"

"town"

"strategic mindset"


lololol

lmao

I agree with Alison, mac gets a policy day one pass from me.

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:17 pmHe was here and posting before Guillo came in IIRC and by that time I was decently active ITT. He didn’t interact with me and then basically counter-tunneled into Guillo’s case and then did nothing else before disappearing

That also probably isn’t the most town-indicative for HK because he would be able to see beyond the tunnel and let Guillo run his mouth while looking elsewhere at the same time. But W!HK can just use the fighting with Guillo as a smokescreen to make posts without actually accomplishing something

Went back to try and look. This was on page 1 already. My worry was that this looked possibly opportunistic from you, because you were bringing it up when you had pressure on you and long after HK was even here. You also didn't interact with him.

That said, I'm not town reading HK either.

112 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:22 pmRighteous is a very biblical word. I am enthused with your thought therefore. How could you be so correct in your approach--an 'opposite' of sin being righteousness, sin being the devil we're all fighting throughout this contest--and also so shallow in your faith? Maybe you're wrong? What?

Hello, number 112. I could, of course, be wrong. I may not have stated as much if not responding to Alison. =)

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:23 pmTBH I would have voted for you regardless of alignment last night. It was 1am and I had no energy for bullshit. Nice of dizzy to see it as righteous, but I wouldn’t read too much into that specific action.

I'm still going to town read you, because I'm having the same reaction to you as to Jimmay.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:22 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:17 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:24 pm

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:49 pm Actual hot take

HK is mafia because he’s ignored me so far this game and HK never ignores me as town

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

My critical mind can't help ask you this question: What is the difference between HK ignoring you and him ignoring the game as a whole? He has basically not been around since the start of the game, and has only or pretty much only interacted with Guillo.

He was here and posting before Guillo came in IIRC and by that time I was decently active ITT. He didn’t interact with me and then basically counter-tunneled into Guillo’s case and then did nothing else before disappearing

That also probably isn’t the most town-indicative for HK because he would be able to see beyond the tunnel and let Guillo run his mouth while looking elsewhere at the same time. But W!HK can just use the fighting with Guillo as a smokescreen to make posts without actually accomplishing something

Wouldn't that just draw unnecessary attention to himself, and his lack of accomplishing any solving, if he is a wolf?

Would it? I mean, who’s been seriously talking about HK up to this moment aside from me and Guillo? Nutella mentioned voting for HK as an aside-comment that she didn’t follow through with, but that was after I voted for him

The only people who are paying attention to HK, let alone scumreading him, are me and Guillo for different reasons and we’re the ones invariably leading the charge to point the conversation towards him. So I would honestly say no, because the posts in this thread can attest that it didn’t draw attention to him

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:34 pm wait porscha is in this game i forgot

Yeah, she'll be chopped D1 though.

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:34 pm iawy has been making some town posts
this is a bad thing because it means i have to reevaluate my read

Almost towny mindmeld

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:33 pm

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:32 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:18 pm IAWY and Guillotine have both expressed strong ‘HK never acts this way as town’ views.

I don’t know HK at all. I’m interested in takes on:

A) are iawy and Guillo reliable readers of HK
B) do their meta points ring true to others.

No.

I do think I have as much (maybe more) xp with HK, and it could go either way. We just chop him in another game off site where he acted like this. He was town. IRL happens also.

Thank you for the counterpoint. Is miseliming HK common?

happens. but get a read. I mean don't buy my words lol.

WHat is weirding me out is Guillo having trouble with HK being annoyed at him. Like we all know what would have happened if HK didn't react like he did. I mean.

i think that mac pointing out how i am specifically not playings strategically is nai

bc i am an objectively strategic player and we've discussed lots of mafia theory before

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:21 pm tutuu 35/40

u should post more bb the other heads clearly arent gonna

Who here talked about Dennis and their meta and how they are falling into wolf meta? Can you talk more about that?

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:38 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:33 pm

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:32 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:18 pm IAWY and Guillotine have both expressed strong ‘HK never acts this way as town’ views.

I don’t know HK at all. I’m interested in takes on:

A) are iawy and Guillo reliable readers of HK
B) do their meta points ring true to others.

No.

I do think I have as much (maybe more) xp with HK, and it could go either way. We just chop him in another game off site where he acted like this. He was town. IRL happens also.

Thank you for the counterpoint. Is miseliming HK common?

happens. but get a read. I mean don't buy my words lol.

WHat is weirding me out is Guillo having trouble with HK being annoyed at him. Like we all know what would have happened if HK didn't react like he did. I mean.

Meh I’m not buying any one persons words it’s all info. Also I’m fine sheeping on day one, I like finding something that feels consensus-ish

also Alison, no, most don't. (but I won't post more about it for now). tuttuu shades noted too.

brb

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:39 pm bc i am an objectively strategic player and we've discussed lots of mafia theory before

oh tx for the context.

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:41 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:39 pm bc i am an objectively strategic player and we've discussed lots of mafia theory before

oh tx for the context.

69 posts nice

dizzy eats a policy tunnel d3 if she doesn't bag 2 wolves

Just don't lynch me today.

That's all I ask.

D1s are pretty hard and you all keep finding excuses to wolfread me D1 for NAI things.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:42 pm dizzy eats a policy tunnel d3 if she doesn't bag 2 wolves

Two? Good to know.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:46 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:42 pm dizzy eats a policy tunnel d3 if she doesn't bag 2 wolves

Two? Good to know.

high standards after anni game 4

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:43 pm Just don't lynch me today.

That's all I ask.

So you're fine w/ being lynched tomorrow?




If you're actually Town, what difference does it make? A ML is a ML, regardless of the D1 or whatever

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:47 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:46 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:42 pm dizzy eats a policy tunnel d3 if she doesn't bag 2 wolves

Two? Good to know.

high standards after anni game 4

I do not recall the game. I have more confidence in myself after my last two games though. I'm taking the compliment. ^^

falcon town

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:49 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:47 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:46 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:42 pm dizzy eats a policy tunnel d3 if she doesn't bag 2 wolves

Two? Good to know.

high standards after anni game 4

I do not recall the game. I have more confidence in myself after my last two games though. I'm taking the compliment. ^^

you wrecked me/rico/dolby

violet/daisy/me/you f4