Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Who did you try to target?Mana wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:43 amI haven't caught up but we were a one-shot watcher and our watching failed last night (im assuming due to the redirect thing?)Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:15 am I am at the point where I just wanna sleepwalk flip mana
@Mana claim lol
you, we thought you might either get nked or protected or some combination that might give us something to work withAkemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:56 amWho did you try to target?Mana wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:43 amI haven't caught up but we were a one-shot watcher and our watching failed last night (im assuming due to the redirect thing?)Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:15 am I am at the point where I just wanna sleepwalk flip mana
@Mana claim lol
well idk if it was blocked, my theory is someone tried to block someone else and the block it was redirected to us, or all actions on you got redirected to us including us trying to watch you so the action failed bc we would have been watching ourselvesAkemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:58 am Also why didn't you claim blocked immediately at SOD? Also redirect would not block you, it would make you watch someone different.
because the first other information we got was that BT redirected the actions from someone to us so I assumed that played a role. I guess its also possible we were just blocked directly too. im not sure what a self-resolving role isAkemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 3:04 am Why would your first conclusion be that a block on someone else was redirected to you rather than someone blocked you directly, given that you were heavily suspected yesterday and a prime target for any town roleblocker (especially since the other top suspect, BT, claimed to have a self resolving role)?
This is a good pointBottom Text wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:55 pmthats honestly >rand W imoToopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:52 pm Like they didn’t want to give me their role due to wolf paranoia.
if a villager is janitored D1 without knowing it'll happen they'll be likely to assume a wolf did it and decent odds are if a wolf has an ability to do that then the game is silly then they have a way to find out what flipped
given the opportunity to speak to a medium, a role that is proooobably >rand V, there's very few roles i'd refuse to claim in their position. especially to a player like you, who is extremely obvious in their typing and is also widely townread
Very logical reasoningTonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:07 pm also the fact that jpic posted 9 times more than me on day 1 means we're lock clear and anyone who voted for us and should have known better is therefore a wolf
Walrus died because they essentially claimed vig d1Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:16 pm BT's 4 voters - Akemi Hazelnut, Mana, trans rights, TwoAndThrough
Mana's 3 voters - Julinook, TonyStarkPlaysItCool, Poop Explosions
TwoAndThrough's 4 voters - Timsup2gettinserious, Toopy and Binoo, Honey & Vinegar, Bottom Text
TSPIC voter - The Walrus
No voters - Falcon
Hmmm. The Walrus then dies? Only voter on the TSPIC wagon. Probably never a wolf kill they would make it's too obvious.
Mana wagon is very pure.
But Mana is voting for BT in a tie. If Mana wagon is pure >rand wolf and that means their vote is >rand on a town.
So if Mana is a wolf, and TAT WAS a wolf, then the other teammate is probably either trans rights or Akemi Hazelnut, or an absent FalconKnows I guess?
But Akemi Hazelnut is currently operating inside that very POE so it's almost certainly not them. Trans Rights also playing the POE game in a tight window.
Makes me think TAT is always a wolf. Which strongly clears all the TAT voters. But then why did none of them die? Why kill The Walrus? Perhaps @Bottom Text did you actually get an action in?
Doesn't QUITE stack up. So what if TAT AND BT are both town. The janitoring might be a passive (no flips til you die) wolf role maybe.
Mana wolf equity is through the roof no matter what. I take TSPIC and Julinook as town for it. I take the kill as pure wifom. I take the mafia teammates of mana to be probably Falcon and ONE active wolf in this case.
I think this makes the most sense. Falcon + someone getting more townreads, that isn't on the Mana wagon. I feel like ... Timsup2gettingserious profiles.
Meh, this was obviously a joke from the Tim hydraToopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:22 pmYep!The Walrus wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 4:46 pmWe don’t believe your role claim. We know you are lying.Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 4:42 pmDon't worry. I'm shooting them tonight.TwoAndThrough wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 4:42 pm Both heads of the Walrus making time to converse with each other in thread and doing nothing but whine about post counts while padding theirs is really aggravating.
I’m changing the vote to Tim!
-Toopy
You forgot about ustrans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:34 pm i'm back
akemi v
bottom text w
falconknows w
honey & vinegar v
julinook v
mana v
poop explosions v
timsuptogettinserious v
toopy and binoo v
this is my gth list and im somewhat sheeping mist on falconknows and mana
Not if you believe the loverizer was a wolf who made a terrible choice selection.Bottom Text wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:56 pm ngl i think outting that you were loverized was terrible play especially given the gamestate but whatever
I have ten pages i haven't read i have no idea if it's been claimed or notTonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 4:59 am Janitor is obvs a wolf role otherwise it would have been claimed by now
If seth was trolling me? Lol
Yeah, but that's par of the course with him so like
Tim is incredibly stubbornTonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 5:24 amYeah, but that's par of the course with him so like
Sounds like you should start lying about the reasons for your readstrans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 7:48 pm seriously i'll give you a bit of self-meta but it generally is pretty accurate of my wolf game
i tend to make observations as a wolf that are "right for the right reasons" very often. whenever i'm going off and doubling down on my logic regarding it's because i'm usually a villager because i've seen this time and time again where people don't understand the reads i make for the reasons i make them, and i'm way more often to be a villager if that's the case.
i think poop explosions is probably a villager but this just profoundly annoys me
Idk that seems townie to mePoop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:21 pm Alright I want to talk about something.
Urist (I think) evidently was able to guess our identity on the basis that Urist:
a) Believes that he correctly identified that the Phil Dunphy character is the most likely janitor because he's a magician? And apparently in flavour a magician would "make a flip disappear"?
b) Is so thoroughly convinced we are mafia that he took his epiphany that the janitor was Phil, to the extreme of applying it to his top scum read.
The logical hoops I have to jump through to be okay with this are TOO DAMN HIGH.
Is it bad that I want to scumread thisAkemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:51 pmidk felt more like town nook d1 but i dont have the best track recordPoop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:46 pm Nutella what's going on with Nanook and Juliets talk about that slot plz.
The correct play is actually to not use the role.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:38 pm Why would you ever lover a townread and not a scumread?
Surely the correct play is to loverize someone in the POE so you get a free red flip if you ever die?
Would have prefered you spoke to us first tbhTimsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:35 pmSo, I talked to Syn, and he's okay with me revealing what happened to us last night.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:16 pm BT's 4 voters - Akemi Hazelnut, Mana, trans rights, TwoAndThrough
Mana's 3 voters - Julinook, TonyStarkPlaysItCool, Poop Explosions
TwoAndThrough's 4 voters - Timsup2gettinserious, Toopy and Binoo, Honey & Vinegar, Bottom Text
TSPIC voter - The Walrus
No voters - Falcon
Hmmm. The Walrus then dies? Only voter on the TSPIC wagon. Probably never a wolf kill they would make it's too obvious.
Mana wagon is very pure.
But Mana is voting for BT in a tie. If Mana wagon is pure >rand wolf and that means their vote is >rand on a town.
So if Mana is a wolf, and TAT WAS a wolf, then the other teammate is probably either trans rights or Akemi Hazelnut, or an absent FalconKnows I guess?
But Akemi Hazelnut is currently operating inside that very POE so it's almost certainly not them. Trans Rights also playing the POE game in a tight window.
Makes me think TAT is always a wolf. Which strongly clears all the TAT voters. But then why did none of them die? Why kill The Walrus? Perhaps @Bottom Text did you actually get an action in?
Doesn't QUITE stack up. So what if TAT AND BT are both town. The janitoring might be a passive (no flips til you die) wolf role maybe.
Mana wolf equity is through the roof no matter what. I take TSPIC and Julinook as town for it. I take the kill as pure wifom. I take the mafia teammates of mana to be probably Falcon and ONE active wolf in this case.
I think this makes the most sense. Falcon + someone getting more townreads, that isn't on the Mana wagon. I feel like ... Timsup2gettingserious profiles.
H&V loverized us last night. We've got a lover chat with them right now. I've been going back and forth whether I fully trust them or not because I don't understand why they thought we wouldn't be considered a potential NK after the amount of townreads we got D1?
I checked with dunya, our role couldn't be used like that otherwise I would have 100%.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:40 pm If I was playing someone that could loverize other players I would 100% try my hardest to bait the NK N1 and loverize my top scumread lol. But maybe H&V don't play that role the same way I would.
I'm not a rolecop, it's just equally obvious that phil is the janitor and that you're mafia.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:41 pm I doubt H&V's a rolecop with that loverizing
I doubt H&V guessed our flavor out of thin air
Someone else rolecopped us and H&V saw the result despite not being a rolecop
H&V pushed us despite having a greencheck on us
Lmao
It can't be used as a vigilante shot because the target, if they're a wolf, knows that you loverized them and obviously won't shoot you.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 11:00 pmI don't think you were a super likely NK last night with an outed vig on the table regardless, and I agree that my slot and trans rights both have higher NK equity than yours. The point is not "you are going to die N1". The question is whether you're going to die at all. If you're using it as a neighborizer, you'd want to use it on someone who's both town and likely to survive to the end of the game, so you avoid giving mafia a free KP. This is awkward since you never know when the townie you put your ability on claims super cop or something, which is why I prefer to use this kind of role as a vigilante shot. But regardless if you were trying to find a townie that has low NK equity you'd probably look at people like julinooks or FalconKnows, not your slot.Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:56 pm Also, what would your reasons for us being one of the more likely people getting NKed last night? Weren't you one of the people D1 saying that YOUR HYDRA was probably one of the more likely to die N1 just for the potential of becoming obvtown later in the game?
H&V -Honey & Vinegar wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 8:02 amI'm not a rolecop, it's just equally obvious that phil is the janitor and that you're mafia.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:41 pm I doubt H&V's a rolecop with that loverizing
I doubt H&V guessed our flavor out of thin air
Someone else rolecopped us and H&V saw the result despite not being a rolecop
H&V pushed us despite having a greencheck on us
Lmao
Why tf would I, as mafia, claim a rolecop result inthread as mafia after loverizing town.
You're being disingenuous.
Loldunya wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 9:38 am This is a closed set up. Role claiming and info dumping is legal. Character claiming is also legal as all characters were randomized separately from roles! Flavor is strictly for pleasure, and has no bearing on the game. I will not write any clues in the flavor text (but I may write secret love notes to you, so you better read it all, Syn!).
Why did you use it then?Honey & Vinegar wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 7:56 amThe correct play is actually to not use the role.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:38 pm Why would you ever lover a townread and not a scumread?
Surely the correct play is to loverize someone in the POE so you get a free red flip if you ever die?
Second-best is to use it on someone you think won't die for any reason regardless of their alignment.
I have no reason to scumread them but I wouldn't call it a lock.
You know flavor isn't related to roles yeahHoney & Vinegar wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 8:02 amI'm not a rolecop, it's just equally obvious that phil is the janitor and that you're mafia.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:41 pm I doubt H&V's a rolecop with that loverizing
I doubt H&V guessed our flavor out of thin air
Someone else rolecopped us and H&V saw the result despite not being a rolecop
H&V pushed us despite having a greencheck on us
Lmao
Why tf would I, as mafia, claim a rolecop result inthread as mafia after loverizing town.
You're being disingenuous.