The Syndicate

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:46 am I'll say that anyone seriously considering me as mafia should have at least placed the question into the room: Where did my suspicion of bea go when I decided to vote DF instead ?

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:47 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:46 am I'll say that anyone seriously considering me as mafia should have at least placed the question into the room: Where did my suspicion of bea go when I decided to vote DF instead ?

Did it go anywhere?

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:48 am I only caught one voting with me on the garbo wagon that I‘m on, Sloonei still only seems to spot me on the playerlist which is unfortunate.

Ah well

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:49 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:47 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:46 am I'll say that anyone seriously considering me as mafia should have at least placed the question into the room: Where did my suspicion of bea go when I decided to vote DF instead ?

Did it go anywhere?

Can't deny that sometimes my thoughts grow legs and run off in mafia games.

Is this bea suspicion still with us in the room right now? Yessir

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:39 pm Also, @Golden how strong of a town read on sloonie do you have? If your strongly leaning civ, do you have any explanation as to gman's bizarre exit? @sloonei, I'd love to hear what you think about this as well.

Golden, I saw you mentioned me upthread. You, of all players, in this specific game I thought would know I'm civ and would even guess my role. I think if you read the posts, you'll see that it's in there.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:53 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:49 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:47 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:46 am I'll say that anyone seriously considering me as mafia should have at least placed the question into the room: Where did my suspicion of bea go when I decided to vote DF instead ?

Did it go anywhere?

Can't deny that sometimes my thoughts grow legs and run off in mafia games.

Is this bea suspicion still with us in the room right now? Yessir

Did you expect anyone would doubt it?

What’s interesting to me is that I got several questions directed at me about why I suspected DF *most* or *more* than others but it sounds like, from what you’re saying, you didn’t get those same questions.

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:04 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:53 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:49 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:47 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:46 am I'll say that anyone seriously considering me as mafia should have at least placed the question into the room: Where did my suspicion of bea go when I decided to vote DF instead ?

Did it go anywhere?

Can't deny that sometimes my thoughts grow legs and run off in mafia games.

Is this bea suspicion still with us in the room right now? Yessir

Did you expect anyone would doubt it?

What’s interesting to me is that I got several questions directed at me about why I suspected DF *most* or *more* than others but it sounds like, from what you’re saying, you didn’t get those same questions.

I really didn't. You are more familiar with each other so it's understandable. And I often like to put on an awful cover, or maybe I'm too lazy to create a proper avi instead of the next best meme I can find.
I played mafia for years at teamliquid and it's a starcraft forum where no one has custom avi's. While playing offsite it really baffled me how susceptible we are to take the avatar into consideration when we read players in mafia games. But that's just human nature I guess.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:10 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:04 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:53 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:49 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:47 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:46 am I'll say that anyone seriously considering me as mafia should have at least placed the question into the room: Where did my suspicion of bea go when I decided to vote DF instead ?

Did it go anywhere?

Can't deny that sometimes my thoughts grow legs and run off in mafia games.

Is this bea suspicion still with us in the room right now? Yessir

Did you expect anyone would doubt it?

What’s interesting to me is that I got several questions directed at me about why I suspected DF *most* or *more* than others but it sounds like, from what you’re saying, you didn’t get those same questions.

I really didn't. You are more familiar with each other so it's understandable. And I often like to put on an awful cover, or maybe I'm too lazy to create a proper avi instead of the next best meme I can find.
I played mafia for years at teamliquid and it's a starcraft forum where no one has custom avi's. While playing offsite it really baffled me how susceptible we are to take the avatar into consideration when we read players in mafia games. But that's just human nature I guess.

I suppose it’s true in that questions came from people who indicated an expectation I’d have a strong meta read on DF.

Which, tbh, I don’t.

Also while looking for smilies I found this guy! I used to love him!

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:46 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:10 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:04 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:53 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:49 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:47 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:46 am I'll say that anyone seriously considering me as mafia should have at least placed the question into the room: Where did my suspicion of bea go when I decided to vote DF instead ?

Did it go anywhere?

Can't deny that sometimes my thoughts grow legs and run off in mafia games.

Is this bea suspicion still with us in the room right now? Yessir

Did you expect anyone would doubt it?

What’s interesting to me is that I got several questions directed at me about why I suspected DF *most* or *more* than others but it sounds like, from what you’re saying, you didn’t get those same questions.

I really didn't. You are more familiar with each other so it's understandable. And I often like to put on an awful cover, or maybe I'm too lazy to create a proper avi instead of the next best meme I can find.
I played mafia for years at teamliquid and it's a starcraft forum where no one has custom avi's. While playing offsite it really baffled me how susceptible we are to take the avatar into consideration when we read players in mafia games. But that's just human nature I guess.

I suppose it’s true in that questions came from people who indicated an expectation I’d have a strong meta read on DF.

Which, tbh, I don’t.

@Vivax I love your avatar, when my Dad was younger he looked like Scarface era Pacino, so I always like me a good Pacino picture!

When we were in early days here, before the RYM influx, some of us were visiting various sites and playing there, looking for recruits. I played at this one site where I questioned them for lynching a low poster Day One, instead of trying harder to find suspects, and they lynched me instead

Apparently voting low posters Day One was their norm unless there was a red flag. I was the flag. I loathe default low poster voting, and I tend to find people pushing for low posters suspicious. But it would seem that that is not universally the case.

I don't know Vivax, and I can't get a grip on his game. He often seems to be on the same page as me, then he says/does something I don't understand. In which case I back away and watch more. Which is the lesson I took from that other site (I think it was Medieval or King Arthur themed, something like that). Everyone does things differently, give strangers some room, and try to understand them (things which those Arthurians did not do for me ) I expect the same courtesy be extended to me to some extent, but I'm a hybrid. I was the second member, and I was Admin here for several years. Now I'm a flitter in and out, who plays a game or two a year, and I would say the majority of the active players never "met" me. I also have troubles discerning humor coming from people I don't know. Not always sure if kidding or not, like Vivax' murder/crocodile tears post. I spent way more time than was healthy trying to decide if that was a joke or a chat room slip.

So maybe voting low posters is the norm in Vivaxville

So yes, Golden, I would not expect this vote from you, but I am thinking of the you you were several years ago. You might be a different you today. So when you got huffy and indignant at being challenged, I backed off, becasue that was a Golden I knew. I was a bit more at Quin inserting himself into the discussion. The attorney comment was on one had a joke aimed at you, but I also was trying to figure out why he swooped in when he did and got involved in that discussion in the first place. It was facetious more so than trying to put you together, if you get my meaning.

Golden, one question, re Sloonei. If not for that role slot, would you feel differently? Because I also thought of G Man trying to set Sloonei up for a lynch as a possible reasoning behind his behavior. But it really looked to me like G Man committed suicide, he didn't even try to live at any point after Sloonei started taking votes. At the point where it was tied, even a civvie saving themself would move their vote. He never even did that.

It really looked like suicide, and I know G Man doesn't love being bad, but I can't ever see him suiciding like that for no reason. And I really am having a problem finding a reason for that in a world where Sloonei is a civ. From a baddie viewpoint, why would they sacrifice 1/4 of their strength to save a strong civ player like Sloonei?

Also while looking for smilies I found this guy! I used to love him!

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:50 am ebwop,

"The attorney comment was on one HAND a joke aimed at you, but I also was trying to figure out why he swooped in when he did and got involved in that discussion in the first place. It was facetious OF ME, more so than trying to put you together, if you get my meaning.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:46 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:10 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:04 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:53 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:49 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:47 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:46 am I'll say that anyone seriously considering me as mafia should have at least placed the question into the room: Where did my suspicion of bea go when I decided to vote DF instead ?

Did it go anywhere?

Can't deny that sometimes my thoughts grow legs and run off in mafia games.

Is this bea suspicion still with us in the room right now? Yessir

Did you expect anyone would doubt it?

What’s interesting to me is that I got several questions directed at me about why I suspected DF *most* or *more* than others but it sounds like, from what you’re saying, you didn’t get those same questions.

I really didn't. You are more familiar with each other so it's understandable. And I often like to put on an awful cover, or maybe I'm too lazy to create a proper avi instead of the next best meme I can find.
I played mafia for years at teamliquid and it's a starcraft forum where no one has custom avi's. While playing offsite it really baffled me how susceptible we are to take the avatar into consideration when we read players in mafia games. But that's just human nature I guess.

I suppose it’s true in that questions came from people who indicated an expectation I’d have a strong meta read on DF.

Which, tbh, I don’t.

@Vivax I love your avatar, when my Dad was younger he looked like Scarface era Pacino, so I always like me a good Pacino picture!

When we were in early days here, before the RYM influx, some of us were visiting various sites and playing there, looking for recruits. I played at this one site where I questioned them for lynching a low poster Day One, instead of trying harder to find suspects, and they lynched me instead

Apparently voting low posters Day One was their norm unless there was a red flag. I was the flag. I loathe default low poster voting, and I tend to find people pushing for low posters suspicious. But it would seem that that is not universally the case.

I don't know Vivax, and I can't get a grip on his game. He often seems to be on the same page as me, then he says/does something I don't understand. In which case I back away and watch more. Which is the lesson I took from that other site (I think it was Medieval or King Arthur themed, something like that). Everyone does things differently, give strangers some room, and try to understand them (things which those Arthurians did not do for me ) I expect the same courtesy be extended to me to some extent, but I'm a hybrid. I was the second member, and I was Admin here for several years. Now I'm a flitter in and out, who plays a game or two a year, and I would say the majority of the active players never "met" me. I also have troubles discerning humor coming from people I don't know. Not always sure if kidding or not, like Vivax' murder/crocodile tears post. I spent way more time than was healthy trying to decide if that was a joke or a chat room slip.

So maybe voting low posters is the norm in Vivaxville

So yes, Golden, I would not expect this vote from you, but I am thinking of the you you were several years ago. You might be a different you today. So when you got huffy and indignant at being challenged, I backed off, becasue that was a Golden I knew. I was a bit more at Quin inserting himself into the discussion. The attorney comment was on one had a joke aimed at you, but I also was trying to figure out why he swooped in when he did and got involved in that discussion in the first place. It was facetious more so than trying to put you together, if you get my meaning.

Golden, one question, re Sloonei. If not for that role slot, would you feel differently? Because I also thought of G Man trying to set Sloonei up for a lynch as a possible reasoning behind his behavior. But it really looked to me like G Man committed suicide, he didn't even try to live at any point after Sloonei started taking votes. At the point where it was tied, even a civvie saving themself would move their vote. He never even did that.

It really looked like suicide, and I know G Man doesn't love being bad, but I can't ever see him suiciding like that for no reason. And I really am having a problem finding a reason for that in a world where Sloonei is a civ. From a baddie viewpoint, why would they sacrifice 1/4 of their strength to save a strong civ player like Sloonei?

Also while looking for smilies I found this guy! I used to love him!

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:39 am Can't really blame Sloonei for pushing me if mafia, but it rubs me the wrong way if he thinks I'm the easiest mislim and I don't really get the oomph vibe that makes me think he takes his own read seriously. Still want to give him the 'day off' for the G-Man vote, but meh. My ego demands I quote these posts.

Spoiler: show

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:14 pm LoRab gets Botd for busy claims. But there's a bunch of those about.

Kate goes to town after an ISO, but I'm not a fan of limming Scotty today. Think he's town now.

Golden and Sloonei on P5 stick out to me somewhat. Golden for townread on Fingersplints after dropping a vote on Sloonei. Sloonei for quickly dropping a few posts after Finger did that.
Mostly though I get associative vibes around there, maybe cause they didn't interact with each other much.

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:15 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Consider this a delayed Omgus if you will

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:42 pm If you want to be taken seriously, now's the time.

Mostly interested into your takes on Bea, Eloh, Golden. The latter had a period of regular relaxed posting that briefly flashed town to me, but again something felt off on P5 on my latest reread.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:56 pm @Vivax why were those three names (bea, eloh, golden) important to you?

bea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:44 am Svs - i will settle for a cppy of ypur cheesecake recipie. My old copy got lost in the house move shuffle.


Sorry I played like crap this game guys!

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:04 am

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:39 pm Also, @Golden how strong of a town read on sloonie do you have? If your strongly leaning civ, do you have any explanation as to gman's bizarre exit? @sloonei, I'd love to hear what you think about this as well.

Golden, I saw you mentioned me upthread. You, of all players, in this specific game I thought would know I'm civ and would even guess my role. I think if you read the posts, you'll see that it's in there.

Ok, so I read back and found something and… facepalm moment… I had seen it before and noticed it then but because it was while I was very busy it hasn’t stuck in my brain. Day 3/night 3 were a write off in terms of retention.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:30 am ebwop, "Why vote Sloonei if they're all bad together?" That would make no sense either.

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:03 pm Vanishing for most of the phase was not my intention. Here is a short version of what I have so far:

Several tiers based on participation-

Big Talk- Scotty, Sloonei, Golden coward, DH- I would be shocked if there wasn’t a baddie in that group. Maybe two, but lots of productive chatter for the most part.

Llama in a tier of his own, but I still feel loose llama is good llama.

VivAxe or Viv2.0, Eloh, Michelle, Quin- mixed bag here. Eloh was sussed yesterday, Viv2.0 is a reset and still murky on D1 NAA read, Michelle feels most ambiguous (her posts didn’t make any impression on me), and same goes for Quin. These folks are at radar-level. I need to ISO to see if I detected a skimmer.

Kate, sig, Bea, Wilgy- 1/2 seem off the table today and the sig is less memorable that Wilgy licking everything in sight. Under the radar crew- also need ISOs to find manufactured content.


G-Man, LoRab, DF- low posters. Not ideal to find myself in that camp that must be ‘dealt with’ before too long. I saw points about LR’s evasiveness but I’m not exactly one to harp on that without being a hypocrite just yet. DF… just needs to show up for the weekend and get some content before he becomes an afterthought to everything happening in the present.

I will try to speed read the day and make a vote after I get back from wife’s birthday dinner.

Too many null reads for me right now- not a good look. Need to get my head back in the game and sort out some townclears to help my poe.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:42 pm

Variations on a Read List, Part 1
by G-Man

Still a Null Read (And That Needs To Change)
-DFaraday
-VivAxe

Note- this category is not the bad list. It's just null, existing outside of reads and vibes.

DF hasn't posted much at all. As with LoRab, I'm not in good standing to bash low-posters, but it's troublesome for me. I can't get a read on you if you don't post. I think we have better points of discussion that are active right now, but I hate that lingering concern about a low-participation player becoming an easy target if we screw up D3 and get desperate.

VivAxe is still tricky for me. I tend to just shrug Axe off on D1's, so his departure leaves me with a day of nothingness on that slot. Vivax replaced in, but Vivax is new to me, so that compounds the nullness of it all. An ISO of D2 content should help move VivAxe into another category.

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 12:14 am Various read on the other manageable ISO's:
NAA/Vivax 2.0:
NAA is a bit cryptic, holds his cards close to the vest, and is punchy-awkward. He stirs the pot and then claims rolefishing. I've grown used to just looking past NAA on D1's that I feel nothing from his ISO. Vivax 2.0, however, is a different story. While I am still trying to get a feel for this ne-to-me player, they're chugging along at their own pace and producing content. Their reads differ quite a bit from mine in places, but it's okay to live outside of an echo chamber in this game. Let's see where this one goes.

Votes: Eloh D1, Quin D2

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:29 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:15 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:07 pm Two days in a row I plant counterwagon votes and the person I vote no u’s me.

Like, I have thoughts. Some of them are ‘if you’re town, can’t you get on board with subtext’ thoughts. Others are ‘if you’re bad, am I putting you under pressure’ thoughts.

But my main thought is what I said to svs yesterday. I would have ultimately voted to save Sloonei if needed (and kinda did) but bea is ‘winning’ the poll today and seems to have gone into antispew because Sloonei, someone who I think is civ, is a viable counter option.

I believe in being accountable for how you vote and use an explanation, but I think it’s problematic (and this goes beyond myself, it’s problematic on a level of solving the game well), if people are discouraged for voting in ways that create pressure and the opportunity for mafia to show themselves, for me that’s a net negative to the town.

If Bea is outed wolf there is not much to say.
I play usually at MU where the day ends in most of the games when majority is reached. Often town forces the majj to end the day in such cases.

The MU hammers are not my favourite. But the last time I played there I was mafia and manipulated a couple of hammers to my ends to win.

There’s a philosophical thing going on here about the purpose of a vote that I find frustrating but it also feeds in to why I like non-changeable votes to begin with.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:30 pm Also, hi Michelle. I don’t think I’ve interacted with you before. Maybe on say one, but if so I don’t remember. Nice to meet you, to me you are a vacuum in my reads and I intend to change that.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:20 pm @Golden @Sloonei @Kate vote Vivax you perfect little Angels who taste of sweet licorice.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:20 pm @Golden @Sloonei @Kate vote Vivax you perfect little Angels who taste of sweet licorice.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:46 am

bea wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:44 am Svs - i will settle for a cppy of ypur cheesecake recipie. My old copy got lost in the house move shuffle.


Sorry I played like crap this game guys!

Die cute kitten thing die!

Then I shall consume.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:20 pm @Golden @Sloonei @Kate vote Vivax you perfect little Angels who taste of sweet licorice.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:22 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:29 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:15 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:07 pm Two days in a row I plant counterwagon votes and the person I vote no u’s me.

Like, I have thoughts. Some of them are ‘if you’re town, can’t you get on board with subtext’ thoughts. Others are ‘if you’re bad, am I putting you under pressure’ thoughts.

But my main thought is what I said to svs yesterday. I would have ultimately voted to save Sloonei if needed (and kinda did) but bea is ‘winning’ the poll today and seems to have gone into antispew because Sloonei, someone who I think is civ, is a viable counter option.

I believe in being accountable for how you vote and use an explanation, but I think it’s problematic (and this goes beyond myself, it’s problematic on a level of solving the game well), if people are discouraged for voting in ways that create pressure and the opportunity for mafia to show themselves, for me that’s a net negative to the town.

If Bea is outed wolf there is not much to say.
I play usually at MU where the day ends in most of the games when majority is reached. Often town forces the majj to end the day in such cases.

The MU hammers are not my favourite. But the last time I played there I was mafia and manipulated a couple of hammers to my ends to win.

There’s a philosophical thing going on here about the purpose of a vote that I find frustrating but it also feeds in to why I like non-changeable votes to begin with.

I never played with locked votes except lylo and I would probably adapt to it.
Seems less fun tbh

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:30 pm Also, hi Michelle. I don’t think I’ve interacted with you before. Maybe on say one, but if so I don’t remember. Nice to meet you, to me you are a vacuum in my reads and I intend to change that.

Hi ^^
Vacuum is a way to say you don't have a read for me, right? When you reach a conclusion ping me with it.

Maybe you talked about and I didn't read, what's your Poe?

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:37 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:20 pm @Golden @Sloonei @Kate vote Vivax you perfect little Angels who taste of sweet licorice.

I will not be voting vivax.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:44 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:37 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:20 pm @Golden @Sloonei @Kate vote Vivax you perfect little Angels who taste of sweet licorice.

I will not be voting vivax.

Talk about your Vivax read, please.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:34 pm I should also be clear that I am not done looking at people's interactions with G-man. My current Vivax suspicion exists entirely because of the way G-man interacted with him. I have not looked at Vivax's interactions with G-man. Or most of the remaining players' interactions with G. So while I stand by the reads I have right now, my view of the game is still a work in progress.

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:57 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:34 pm I should also be clear that I am not done looking at people's interactions with G-man. My current Vivax suspicion exists entirely because of the way G-man interacted with him. I have not looked at Vivax's interactions with G-man. Or most of the remaining players' interactions with G. So while I stand by the reads I have right now, my view of the game is still a work in progress.

I find this hard to believe. Even before G-Man's flip you gave off the impression of having me in your PoE at all times.