The Syndicate

Actually, [VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine for that, since it reads like someone willing to fling shit around but not actually commit to anything

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:48 pm Also @TonyStarkPrime what's with you taking the hedge option when you have established several suspicions?

Which suspicions and which hedge option

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:49 pm Actually, [VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine for that, since it reads like someone willing to fling shit around but not actually commit to anything

Yes I agree

The better question is why am I willing to chop Dizzy for doing nothing when I’ve developed a generally strong attitude against easy chops this game

indeed a good question

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:19 pm The better question is why am I willing to chop Dizzy for doing nothing when I’ve developed a generally strong attitude against easy chops this game

Have you though? You said you voted robyn because they weren't doing anything

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:21 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:19 pm The better question is why am I willing to chop Dizzy for doing nothing when I’ve developed a generally strong attitude against easy chops this game

Have you though? You said you voted robyn because they weren't doing anything

and voted abi

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:17 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:48 pm Also @TonyStarkPrime what's with you taking the hedge option when you have established several suspicions?

Which suspicions and which hedge option

The one you're voting for, duh. And aren't you the one trying to push Ranmilia and Gira?

I’m not going to push Ran (that will go nowhere) I’m just here to complain. Like yeah I probably could push dizzy but I’m vaguely resigned on that one. I’m just not going to push Gira and I’m not even interested really. I don’t think Gira’s a good chop today.

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:21 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:19 pm The better question is why am I willing to chop Dizzy for doing nothing when I’ve developed a generally strong attitude against easy chops this game

Have you though? You said you voted robyn because they weren't doing anything

Yeah but I voted Robyn late and Robyn’s form of doing nothing was more malicious

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:32 pm I’m not going to push Ran (that will go nowhere) I’m just here to complain.

You gonna do anything productive?

I think complaining is productive what do you want me to do

like I’ll maybe ISO dizzy later and decide if I actually want to start any fights about that

The Dizzy iso is really short. Can’t fight much over it. Makes me feel a bit better about Gira, don’t really think Gira / Dizzy is paired. Dizzy hasn’t posted today, possible mech stuff(?)

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:33 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:21 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:19 pm The better question is why am I willing to chop Dizzy for doing nothing when I’ve developed a generally strong attitude against easy chops this game

Have you though? You said you voted robyn because they weren't doing anything

Yeah but I voted Robyn late and Robyn’s form of doing nothing was more malicious

Weren't there already seven voters on that wagon? What changed by you joining it? If you wanted to make a stance against "easy" wagons, would that not be a perfect opportunity?

There were eight, and I answered the question. I have an opposition to intentional non-game-playing

I like making lots of pointless stances

I'm happy with my vote where it is

I also think like POE wagons are fine in general and it’s not so much a stance against the concept as against the specific Schweppes wagon which I thought was at the very least premature

I also thought it was bad to POE Robyn but can’t blame Mac for that anymore, he’s dead

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:44 pm I also thought it was bad to POE Robyn but can’t blame Mac for that anymore, he’s dead

Do you think we would be better served by looking at the voters on robyn or off robyn at EoD?

it’s probably complete wifom but most wolf teams probably wouldn’t triple stack on Robyn so off wins by a hair

Now if Dizzy is a wolf that’s kinda out the window because that vote wasn’t really placed with intention

Actually like ok yeah Rondo / Abby / Bereft / Dizzy is probably a two wolf group

Ok that raises the question where the hell is the Rondo push

I gotta go get internet I’ll be back to ponder this later maybe

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 2:23 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 12:15 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:30 pm I don't know why Bereft voted the hedge option, but damn their posting method is just so cryptic. If they don't get serious this phase there will be issues.

What was Robyn's final read on schweppes?

I didn't read EoD and I won't

Robyn dipped for half the phase, so I doubt any read they posted has any sort of finality.

I'm quite sure they posted reads I don't care when I care what the read was

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 2:27 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 12:31 pm I have reason to believe this might be true because I am the connection point for Porscha who clearly was voted out in the other thread and I received an extra vote

How do you know this? I have no idea who, if anyone, is my "connection point"

It should be pretty fucking obvious how I know this

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 2:33 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 2:27 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 12:31 pm I have reason to believe this might be true because I am the connection point for Porscha who clearly was voted out in the other thread and I received an extra vote

How do you know this? I have no idea who, if anyone, is my "connection point"

Okay, so I read up, and apparently you're neighbors? Which is weird, since I don't have one. Does anyone else here have a neighbor from the other thread?

It happened after they died in the other thread like... follow what I said

The threads are approximately on a 12 hour difference I think based on when Porscha joined me.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:07 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:02 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 12:59 pm that doesn’t make it better

Why the vote was 4 to 5 and than 76 people appeared to make it like 3 to 8 in favor of robyn immediately when it got to close for comfort.

Ted is wolf.

hey bud

please review the tapes

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:19 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:17 am

Spoiler: show

Bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
Dubz
2
14%
Voters: tedxtr, leetic
Dyslexicon
0
No votes
Voters: None
Gira
0
No votes
Voters: None
leetic
1
7%
Voters: pyxxy
MacDougall
0
No votes
Voters: None
☆Princess Abigail☆
1
7%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime
pyxxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Ranmilia
0
No votes
Voters: None
robyn
5
36%
Voters: Ranmilia, WindwardAway, Dyslexicon, Gira, MacDougall
tedxtr
2
14%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle, Bereft
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None
WindwardAway
0
No votes
Voters: None
No elimination
0
No votes
Voters: None
No vote / Unvote
1
7%
Voters: robyn

after this

*is the shadow vote +1 modify in effect

I moved from leetic (1 -> 0) to ted (2 -> 3)
WWA moved from robyn (6* -> 5*) to ted (3 -> 4)
leetic moved from RondDubz (3*->2*) to robyn (5* -> 6*)
ted moved from RonDubz (2* -> 1*) to robyn (6* -> 7*)
Abigail voted for ted (4 -> 5)
WWA switched back from ted (5 -> 4) to robyn (7* -> 8*)
tsp moved from Abigail (1 -> 0) to robyn (8* -> 9*)

because I can see certain people already trying to pre-flip robyn and hey, I just want to help y'all do the work, because I'm a nice person

I made this post on D1 specifically for anyone wanting to do exactly what you're doing

I don't see how this changes my right process at all

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:11 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 12:31 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:36 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:01 pm Questions for @Porscha (keeping track of these in a post so we can use our time with them more efficiently):

How did nutella die?
Are the threads out of sync? (e.g. did Night 1 start 24 hours earlier in the other thread?)
Do you know anything about the hidden votes?

If anyone has any more feel free to add them

This is getting pretty irritating.

1. By NK.
2. We know this to be true.
3. IDK, my best guess is that its the corresponding outies of whoever received most votes at work, but I certainly don't think Porscha would know.

None of this is that hard to puzzle out.

~ Schweppes

Oh wait point 3

Omg...

I have a theory. I think everyone is connected to someone from the other thread right. So I wonder if schweppes is just right here that it's the net collective of who had their corresponding partner recieve the most votes

I have reason to believe this might be true because I am the connection point for Porscha who clearly was voted out in the other thread and I received an extra vote

I also think the reason Nutella AND Mac might be dead than is that they are connected. The wolfs probably get one joint night kill but it kills and fully eliminates the connection point in BOTH threads. I think when you die you become a stump in the other thread unless your connection point is dead because if I die I know for fact my connection point will die Porscha will die.

If this is true, it adds a pseudo-lovers aspect to the setup, which would mean that wolves would have to avoid killing people they're paired with. That assumes w/t pairings are possible, but I don't see why they aren't as too many potential mason pairs seem unbalanced. There's a question of whether Porscha is town, they said they were but that would be an easy lie, though we should get someone else here to corroborate that. Of course, both of the first lynches in the other thread could be wolves, but in that case we don't have much to worry about from the other thread anyway.

I doubt anyone is wolf town paired

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:19 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 12:31 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:36 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:01 pm Questions for @Porscha (keeping track of these in a post so we can use our time with them more efficiently):

How did nutella die?
Are the threads out of sync? (e.g. did Night 1 start 24 hours earlier in the other thread?)
Do you know anything about the hidden votes?

If anyone has any more feel free to add them

This is getting pretty irritating.

1. By NK.
2. We know this to be true.
3. IDK, my best guess is that its the corresponding outies of whoever received most votes at work, but I certainly don't think Porscha would know.

None of this is that hard to puzzle out.

~ Schweppes

Oh wait point 3

Omg...

I have a theory. I think everyone is connected to someone from the other thread right. So I wonder if schweppes is just right here that it's the net collective of who had their corresponding partner recieve the most votes

I have reason to believe this might be true because I am the connection point for Porscha who clearly was voted out in the other thread and I received an extra vote

I also think the reason Nutella AND Mac might be dead than is that they are connected. The wolfs probably get one joint night kill but it kills and fully eliminates the connection point in BOTH threads. I think when you die you become a stump in the other thread unless your connection point is dead because if I die I know for fact my connection point will die Porscha will die.

Is your neighbor chat still active? If so, you could be asking these questions for us!

Yes.

Porscha can read and tell me what she wants to I don't ask her things

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:21 pm abi’s point above isn’t valid, because rondo and robyn both received additional votes, and only 1 person can die per day ldo

How does that make what I said about the highest total 3 applying to the other thread

I didn't say it was only the one who died just that Porscha dying implies she would be one of the highest 3

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:25 pm MacDougall and nutella both look like they are expected nightkill options. I mean, there's a chance they're paired, but it seems like a hell of a coincidence if so. Thus, I think Abby's theory is unlikely.

Why.

Robyn is only not a tree stump in the other thread by choice

Porscha is a stump here

Wolfs likely are not in 2 separate wolf chats their kill is likely joint I don't see why it wouldn't be when it seems pretty obvious just from what host has said that we are tied to the other thread through other players

Abby/Porscha being w/w seems like the easiest lie to make... until you consider that if someone else comes from the other thread, they can dispute that and condemn Abby. Thus, I don't think w!Abby is so open about this.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:31 pm that’s not proof for connections all around, lol

there being 2 masons doesn’t mean everyone is somehow related

Jfc people read what I'm saying

Although the problem with what Abby says is that it effectively confirms whoever gets a partner as town, and I'm not sure how balanced that is.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:35 pm Five flips are dizzy rondo bereft ran and Abigail narrowly over Ted before Leetic asks

Sure

Town

Eh maybe.

Town

Town

Your list is bad

So basically, Abby/Porscha not w/w but I'm not entirely sure I would discount w/t or t/w just yet.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:59 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:57 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:55 pm Mmm no the cdistance between Ran and Dizzy felt pretty genuine. And like they’re both good enough to plan that so O wouldn’t rule it out but I wouldn’t say it’s in a way where they’d have massive equity from that or from gamestate reasons

if you don't mind helping me think

what or why do you feel like dizzy and ran are distanced?

Dizzy came into the thread with a naked suspicion on Ran, some wolfmilla comments, Ran seemed 1) genuinely offended (in a theatrical way) and 2) pushed back, to the point where Dizzy could easily have been a viable wagon if Mac hadn’t gotten the Robyn chop (but Mac also kinda wanted the Dizzy chop)

What makes it theatrical and not just real annoyance at being treated this way in every game

I don't like speculating that emotion is being called tbh

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:12 pm Although the problem with what Abby says is that it effectively confirms whoever gets a partner as town, and I'm not sure how balanced that is.

Basically, this would effectively be a free cop check every day that wolves would have no way of planning around. Every mislynch would basically guarantee another mislynch can't go through.

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:17 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:12 pm Although the problem with what Abby says is that it effectively confirms whoever gets a partner as town, and I'm not sure how balanced that is.

Basically, this would effectively be a free cop check every day that wolves would have no way of planning around. Every mislynch would basically guarantee another mislynch can't go through.

Although perhaps the secret votes are a method of balancing around that?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:02 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 2:33 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 2:27 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 12:31 pm I have reason to believe this might be true because I am the connection point for Porscha who clearly was voted out in the other thread and I received an extra vote

How do you know this? I have no idea who, if anyone, is my "connection point"

Okay, so I read up, and apparently you're neighbors? Which is weird, since I don't have one. Does anyone else here have a neighbor from the other thread?

It happened after they died in the other thread like... follow what I said

The threads are approximately on a 12 hour difference I think based on when Porscha joined me.

Or 24

I dunno I was drunk when she got added

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:12 pm Although the problem with what Abby says is that it effectively confirms whoever gets a partner as town, and I'm not sure how balanced that is.

How?

If a wolf is killed in the other thread we do not know they are a wolf

You have no clue porscha is town or not none of us do

So if they get stumped with their wolf anchor we have no way of knowing they are a wolf since I assume

I didn't ask though

That they are removed from the other thread when added here so they can't see anything from previous all we can learn is from people who are added a day later ig but

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:19 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:12 pm Although the problem with what Abby says is that it effectively confirms whoever gets a partner as town, and I'm not sure how balanced that is.

How?

If a wolf is killed in the other thread we do not know they are a wolf

You have no clue porscha is town or not none of us do

Didn't you just say that you didn't see there being w/t pairings?

So if the secret votes are received by people tied to the biggest wagons in the other thread, and there are truly no w/t pairings, then if every player who received the votes is town that would mean none of the three biggest wagons on the other side were wolves. Given the player list on that side, I find that doubtful. Then again, unless tedxtr is a wolf then the three biggest wagons at EoD in this thread were all town

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:11 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:31 pm that’s not proof for connections all around, lol

there being 2 masons doesn’t mean everyone is somehow related

Jfc people read what I'm saying

can you just put it all in one nice, clear, concise post

so the dumb people, like myself, don't have to sift through 50 posts instead?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 12:25 pm

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:15 pm Starting over with the riddles three stuff.

Ranmilia = brick
pyxxy = toy sword
leetic = ducky
TSP = metal plate
Rondo = tabasco bottle
Robyn = she
tedxtr = disco ball
Wind = cigarette? (presumed because avatar and context)
Abigail = carton of orange juice? (again presumed on avatar/context)

So Bereft now townreads Rondo because Robyn flipped town, also townreads pyxxy, me, wind, "compass" (I previously thought compass was mac, idk now).
Doesn't townread but doesn't want to go after orange juice (abigail) right now.
Scumreads leetic, ted, possibly TSP, and the "stuffed animal/comfort object" and "kewpie doll" which I'm not sure who they are.

That's what I get out of that.

I knew I loved you for a reason

If you answer this cool but I'm still catching up

What do you make of these tags?

I lost the battle with sleep last night, apologies. Back and catching up.

The tags I think are mostly based on players avatars, except for me and rondo (I'm an orange catgirl, tabasco is orange, i don't get how rondo is tabasco at all and thought he was clearly the metal plate in my first go at it). It seems like some roleplaying (or possibly a post restriction) where he's avoiding saying player names or quoting posts. The numbers listed are postnums if you go hunt them down.

702 and 714 are tsp talking about leetic talking about the flying spaghetti monster thread in a different subforum or lack thereof
2004 is leetic (ducky) saying to me that pyxxy is a wolflean because of their uninspiring voting/lack of posts difficult for wolf.
1475 is a post from rondo saying a gira/leetic worldview, voting gira

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 12:25 pm Reads*

oh.

I think they're pretty consensus takes, +/- pyxxy town gira scumlean. Not absurd but not hard to come up with, doesn't move the needle much for me.