The Syndicate

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 11:27 am**

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:11 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:10 am 2 & 3 are bad. 4 is chaos. 1, 5, & 6 all add unique and volatile dimensions .
Why is 2 bad?

Well look at the 2016 election ! Nobody wanted either of those buffoons to be president but the ballot was reduced to 2 people and we had to vote for one of them.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 11:28 am**

If I started roleplaying, I would never post anything comprehensible again.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 11:28 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 11:26 am Good morning everyone.

This is Marmot here, and I'll be your rock climbing instructor for the remainder of this game. I'm glad to see you all here in this wonderful place and ready to climb. You don't have any gear? Oh well that's ok, I'll take care of that for you, and we can begin lessons tomorrow.

Charlie Blackmon, what are you doing here? Oh I see, you just happened to be in the area. Well, I know you can't climb with us, but I'm sure your insight and perception will be helpful nonetheless. I'll need another set of eyes with all these other folks here.

As for the rest of you, thanks for coming! We've got a looong climb ahead of us, so brace yourselves for what stands ahead. You've got a lot to learn, but we'll make it yet.

Charlie Blackmon of the Colorado Rockies can’t climb rocks?

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 11:30 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 10:55 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 1:30 am A NARROW FOCUS IS BAD FOR EVERY BODY. OPEN MINDS MEAN OPEN HEARTS AND YOU NEED TO HAVE AN OPEN HEART TO LOVE .

Do you hear this foolish mongrel? Her proclamations are pure nonsense.

YOjung man where are your MANNERS;?

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 11:32 am**

He's not young, ma'am.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 11:35 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 11:32 am He's not young, ma'am.

Well then his rudeness is even less excusable! How do I report a person? I do not want HIM on the same internet as ME

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 11:36 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 11:28 am
Charlie Blackmon of the Colorado Rockies can’t climb rocks?

He comes all the time in the off-season. But he's a busy man these days, but But Black would be none to pleased if Charlie was injured playing around on rocks while his team's in the playoff race.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 11:42 am**

Back in my day ballplayers like Ted Williams would take time off from baseball to be fighter pilots in the war! Men these days are so soft.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 11:44 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 11:42 am Back in my day ballplayers like Ted Williams would take time off from baseball to be fighter pilots in the war! Men these days are so soft.

R.A. Dickey still does cool stuff.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 11:46 am**

He’s retired, doesn’t count.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 11:47 am**

With Jay intent on switching to option 6, we are looking at 7 v 11 right now in the total tally.
Those of you who are vehemently opposed to 6 and on other places than 1, you may want to consider whether you can live with it as an alternative to your current selection.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 11:47 am**

Unless people want a mass exodus from 1 to 2, but idk about that one still.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 11:49 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 11:46 am He’s retired, doesn’t count.

He wasn't retired when he did that though.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 11:52 am**

I'd switch to 1 to stop 6 from winning, but 2 just looks so yummy

I mean, it sounds like exactly what everybody wants, a temporarily smaller suspect pool.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 11:54 am**

I realized in making my list that I have enough people who I at least somewhat suspect to give 2 a chance, but I'd be annoyed if my biggest suspects were given a free day to hide, and that's pretty likely.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 11:55 am**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 11:54 am I realized in making my list that I have enough people who I at least somewhat suspect to give 2 a chance, but I'd be annoyed if my biggest suspects were given a free day to hide, and that's pretty likely.

It's a trade off. With this many players we all have to work extra hard to make our "biggest suspects" cases made. Some early focus could help everyone.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 11:56 am**

That's fair.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 11:58 am**

One important rule of climbing, always back yourself up. When you're on the side of a giant rock face and a long way from the ground, multiple points of attachment to the wall is ideal for safety. If one of them fails for some reason, you've got a second or even a third option keeping you safe.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 12:00 pm**

can we all agree that marmot looks positively dashing in his safety helmet

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 12:02 pm**

I'm voting 6 as well. I like that option, I think it has potential to get us a baddie and help steer the game. Even though it means we're going to be doing a LOT of talking tomorrow. I also don't like that I considered not voting for it because of Golden's repeated insistence that all 6 voters are suspicious. I'm proving you wrong Golden, I'm Civ and I'm voting 6. So, chew on that, or whatever.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 12:05 pm**

Pretty sure we're gonna see 2 or 3 civ patsies die with option 6 but I don't necessarily hold it against those voters

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 12:20 pm**

2 is the high percentage move

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 12:22 pm**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 2:33 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 7:20 am
Lilefer wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 7:00 am Hello hello, checking in, I have 18 pages to catch up on but I'm free all day unlike yesterday so that's good !!
That's the hello of a mafia member.
What about this sounds mafia to you?

Lilefer wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 7:00 am Hello hello, checking in, I have 18 pages to catch up on but I'm free all day unlike yesterday so that's good !!
7:00am - checking in

Lilefer wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 8:13 am Okay I got to page 17 I'm sure my knowledge of the situation is good enough for now.

8:13am - on page 17

Something don't smell right here.

I like this post.

This was some serious skimming from Liefer if I ever saw one.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 12:51 pm**

My friend [mention]Scotty[/mention] whom I play bridge with on Saturdays should recall an incident from the Bridge Game of Champions when we had to limit our pool. It was a dreary and dismal time and it suffocated the game to h***. No thank you.

Have a lovely day.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 12:55 pm**

I don't want to limit the pool. I want to drain it.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 12:59 pm**

Where the fuck am i supposed to swim

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:04 pm**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 12:59 pm Where the fuck am i supposed to swim

FLOP AROUND LIKE THE ******* FISH YOU ARE

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:14 pm**

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:18 pm**

I'm really antsy about option 6. It just doesn't seem the same as three lynches in a row because with 3 in a row you are more informed with each lynch. Plus Golden's point on how with 3 in a row civs have three separate votes, not one vote as we would have if we did 3 at once. There is more likelihood of town controlling all 3 lynches doing them in a row if it is early enough in the game. With three at once it seems like civs would only control one of the three. What am I missing that makes 6 such a good option?

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:19 pm**

I didn't look at the results before voting just now. Good to know others feel the same way

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:19 pm**

While I acknowledge that my initial expression of certainty lacked nuance and has been tempered, I still like #6. I won’t object if it wins. If not, only #2 seems to serve a purpose without actively favoring the mafia teams.

I’ll vote #2 for now to bring us closer to an agreeable duality. #1 strikes me as pointless at best.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:23 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 12:22 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 2:33 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 7:20 am
Lilefer wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 7:00 am Hello hello, checking in, I have 18 pages to catch up on but I'm free all day unlike yesterday so that's good !!
That's the hello of a mafia member.
What about this sounds mafia to you?

Lilefer wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 7:00 am Hello hello, checking in, I have 18 pages to catch up on but I'm free all day unlike yesterday so that's good !!
7:00am - checking in

Lilefer wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 8:13 am Okay I got to page 17 I'm sure my knowledge of the situation is good enough for now.

8:13am - on page 17

Something don't smell right here.
I like this post.

This was some serious skimming from Liefer if I ever saw one.

I don't find skimming to be indicative of being evil. Especially when trying to catch up with such a prolific game, I myself have skipped entire Pages already this game.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:24 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 1:18 pm I'm really antsy about option 6. It just doesn't seem the same as three lynches in a row because with 3 in a row you are more informed with each lynch. Plus Golden's point on how with 3 in a row civs have three separate votes, not one vote as we would have if we did 3 at once. There is more likelihood of town controlling all 3 lynches doing them in a row if it is early enough in the game. With three at once it seems like civs would only control one of the three. What am I missing that makes 6 such a good option?

Even if they’re not three separate lynches in a row, they’re still three lynches. It’s a net gain of one lynch through the game (given default projections) and eliminates night kills (the least certain deaths to be of mafia members) that would otherwise occur between the three lynches if taken one at a time.

The mafia lose immediate command of the body count by kills, and are forced to dance to reclaim it among the lynches. This is especially important if the two teams do not alternate kills (and when Mac hosted LOTR Mafia years ago, both mafia teams killed every night). If the civilians give a proper effort on Day 2 to coordinate the poll properly, that will make it difficult for mafia manipulation (manipulation which itself can still result in mafia lynches anyway).

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:26 pm**

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] here is the ISO link for Sloonei and thank you again.

Sloonei

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:26 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 9:41 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 7:54 pm Let’s make things even more exciting. I wonder what happens in a tie.

[VOTE: DUNYA] aubergine
he votes for dunya to make things exciting at 12.54am.

lizzyfacepalming.jpg

I'm stopping his ISO now.

I don't need to see "more".

at the time of his vote for you, the lynch was also equally tie-able between eloh and epi as it was between you and epi.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:29 pm**

Caught up on Day 1, but I have no intention of catching up on Night 1 too. My head needs a rest. I cut on playing Dominion this week and am trying to keep my mafia time reasonable so I can still study for my gargantuan public job exam that happens next week without my head exploding in the meantime. I have to learn Law, for fucks sake.

My view on this day 1 lynch is that it was a series of opportunistic votes. The only people with more than 1 vote are Epi, Eloh, dunya, Marmot and Wolbre. This includes one guy who begged to be begged to be lynched, a woman who expressed unhappiness over being in a big game, a chaotic dude voting for himself, a guy who got fire because of some boobquest thing, and dunya. Honestly only dunya is a lynch I'd say takes a bit of effort to make, and I don't exclude the possibility of opportunistic mafia in it either. Point is, this day 1 was pretty crappy from a civ performance standpoint.

That said it's not like I made a lot of effort myself, so I'm not condemning people. Just stating an observation. In the future I'd love to look at Day 1 votes to find baddies.

As for Night 1, I pretty much only read the argument about the poll, and I have to say, I love Jay/Golden's argument. Looks like civ/civ to me. I am a little less happy about nutella's part in it. She is flip-flopping. Then again nutella is always flip-flopping.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:31 pm**

I am concerned that nutella’s flip-flopping is gratuitous.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:31 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 1:24 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 1:18 pm I'm really antsy about option 6. It just doesn't seem the same as three lynches in a row because with 3 in a row you are more informed with each lynch. Plus Golden's point on how with 3 in a row civs have three separate votes, not one vote as we would have if we did 3 at once. There is more likelihood of town controlling all 3 lynches doing them in a row if it is early enough in the game. With three at once it seems like civs would only control one of the three. What am I missing that makes 6 such a good option?
Even if they’re not three separate lynches in a row, they’re still three lynches. It’s a net gain of one lynch through the game (given default projections) and eliminates night kills (the least certain deaths to be of mafia members) that would otherwise occur between the three lynches if taken one at a time.

The mafia lose immediate command of the body count by kills, and are forced to dance to reclaim it among the lynches. This is especially important if the two teams do not alternate kills (and when Mac hosted LOTR Mafia years ago, both mafia teams killed every night). If the civilians give a proper effort on Day 2 to coordinate the poll properly, that will make it difficult for mafia manipulation (manipulation which itself can still result in mafia lynches anyway).

Ok thanks for your explanation. It doesn't completely negate my concerns but it helps me understand a little more why it has so many votes.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:32 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 1:26 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 9:41 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 7:54 pm Let’s make things even more exciting. I wonder what happens in a tie.

[VOTE: DUNYA] aubergine
he votes for dunya to make things exciting at 12.54am.

lizzyfacepalming.jpg

I'm stopping his ISO now.

I don't need to see "more".
at the time of his vote for you, the lynch was also equally tie-able between eloh and epi as it was between you and epi.

I don’t think that’s correct ... why would I have switched my vote then?

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:42 pm**

I don’t understand why #1 has 7 votes. What benefit does that offer?

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:43 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 1:29 pm Caught up on Day 1, but I have no intention of catching up on Night 1 too. My head needs a rest. I cut on playing Dominion this week and am trying to keep my mafia time reasonable so I can still study for my gargantuan public job exam that happens next week without my head exploding in the meantime. I have to learn Law, for fucks sake.

My view on this day 1 lynch is that it was a series of opportunistic votes. The only people with more than 1 vote are Epi, Eloh, dunya, Marmot and Wolbre. This includes one guy who begged to be begged to be lynched, a woman who expressed unhappiness over being in a big game, a chaotic dude voting for himself, a guy who got fire because of some boobquest thing, and dunya. Honestly only dunya is a lynch I'd say takes a bit of effort to make, and I don't exclude the possibility of opportunistic mafia in it either. Point is, this day 1 was pretty crappy from a civ performance standpoint.

That said it's not like I made a lot of effort myself, so I'm not condemning people. Just stating an observation. In the future I'd love to look at Day 1 votes to find baddies.

As for Night 1, I pretty much only read the argument about the poll, and I have to say, I love Jay/Golden's argument. Looks like civ/civ to me. I am a little less happy about nutella's part in it. She is flip-flopping. Then again nutella is always flip-flopping.

What’s crappy about the case for wolbre? You write it off here without saying any reason why — in fact you do that for Eloh as well. Are you telling me that you read all of Day 1 and have good reads on all these people, or somehow no reads at all?

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:44 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 1:24 am You can learn a lot from lynching three people at once. But you may lose a lot too. Aside from lynching, vote patterns are town’s best chance, and 1 gives us more meat there without giving anything up.

Imo.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:46 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 1:32 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 1:26 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 9:41 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 7:54 pm Let’s make things even more exciting. I wonder what happens in a tie.

[VOTE: DUNYA] aubergine
he votes for dunya to make things exciting at 12.54am.

lizzyfacepalming.jpg

I'm stopping his ISO now.

I don't need to see "more".
at the time of his vote for you, the lynch was also equally tie-able between eloh and epi as it was between you and epi.
I don’t think that’s correct ... why would I have switched my vote then?

it is correct. i was deciding between epi and eloh who were the top vote havers when you switched your vote and made dunya tied with epi in the lead and eloh in 3rd place outside of the danger zone

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:46 pm**

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] wait was your vote on eloh prior to it being on dunya?

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:47 pm**

Hmm. I really don’t recall that happening like that, but I have no way of proving it.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:48 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 1:46 pm @ColinIsCool wait was your vote on eloh prior to it being on dunya?

Yeah, I went wolbre Scotty Eloh dunya.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:54 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 1:42 pm I don’t understand why #1 has 7 votes. What benefit does that offer?

I got to it by process of elimination. There were things I didn't like about all the other options. However, now I'm considering option 2 since both you and Golden seem to think it's a good option, though I need to think through whether limiting the pool is too likely to give us almost all civs. I acknowledge c-bobs point (I think it was c-bob) about the probability it will include at least one mafia I'm just not sure how confident I am in our ability to find that one. See Ass Class for reasons why I think this way.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:59 pm**

1 seems really boring and has no real benefit outside of meta analysis. I think of all the choices it's basically the closest to normal.

I think 2 and 6 are the most interesting and likely to effect our mindset as a group. There's been a lot of focus on math, but I think thread soup is just as important as math. 2 forces us to focus in places we might not be looking at yet, with some risk based on the fact that we could get fucked by the RNG. Number 6... also alters the focus, but not in as much of a necessary way. Number 6 can be done without focusing up but if we treat a 6 lynch like a regular lynch it's gonna end poorly. number 6 requires people to talk about more suspects otherwise we'll end up with some "and I guess that guy"'s thrown in.

either choice is a leap of faith I think, 2 puts faith in a combination of luck and other players, 6 puts the ball fully in our court as players.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 2:01 pm**

putting my [VOTE: 2] aubergine to keep the discussion open between 2 and 6.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 2:14 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 12:42 am HEY THERE BUCKAROOS .MY SON RICHARD SETUP THIS COMPUTER IN THE DEN FOR GERALD AND I . WE ARE SO PROUD OF HIM AND OUR GRANDSON BENJAMIN, 8. IS THIS WHERE I GO TO CATCH SCUM...?

Do you have my other tit you saggy old bitch

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