The Syndicate

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:34 pm Sorry for the absence. I got a bit mad earlier and needed to step away and get through my work day without being tilted. Honey dying last night is one of the main reasons I'm starting to hate bastard games.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:45 pm By the way I feel like the mafia most likely have a strongman because Honey was obvious town and should've been a doc target with Alison getting NK immunity, so either the protectives went completely stupid or mafia have a way of getting through the protection.

I could see mafia interpreting these posts as softing doctor.

Nothing in Mac's ISO suggests ascetic though. If that was a legitimate attempt to kill him my best guesses are either that they have a rolecop, or that the fake gun gave him the ascetic role (it is kind of negative utility since it stops all beneficial actions but allows kills to go through).

I haven’t hinted at all to my role but even if I did I don’t even know how to describe it lol

And Yeah maybe it was a desperate soup.

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:35 am Undecided.
I think that it would be too much of a scum power as, if anyone in that list is scum, that person would become impossible to catch. On the other hand, I re-read the game rules and didn't find anything about the mod publicly announcing that the soup kill is wrong or that there were consequences for the entire team for wrong guesses. You might want to read over the rules about the soup kill because I might have misunderstood it or misinterpreted it in some way.

The rules state that:

Mafia also has the soup kill, a mechanic that allows them to kill players by correctly guessing their role actions. Scum has to submit only 1 of a player's JOAT's abilities for the soup kill to work. This is a mechanic that punishes claiming, there is no info of how many soup kill shots scum got, it could be 1 or it could be infinite. The soup kill is absolute and inevitable if a role ability is submitted correctly.

This seems to intentionally leave out a lot of information about the soupkill, like how it works, the consequences for failing it, etc. "there is no info of how many soup kill shots scum got" seems to suggest that Guillo wants the specifics of how the soupkill works to be a mystery to town, presumably to avoid people trying to game it or find loopholes that allow them to claim their role while still being immune to soupkills.

I will say that announcing a failed soup and having your nightkill stripped away if you fail are both things I've seen in role madness games before (although never at the same time), as ways to make scum be absolutely sure that they're right about the role before submitting it, and also to encourage town to fakeclaim roles.

If it was a desperation soup I would turbo Ender and Gnome back to back without hesitation.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:51 am Also wtf at that soup. If wolves gunned Mac don't they just know what he is????

Why are you assuming here that the soup failed because of Mac, as opposed to one of the other targets? The failure message simply states "one or more of the targets hasn't been matched to their role". Maybe they were right about Mac, and it's Lime Coke that isn't a doctor, or whatever.

In fact the unorthodox guess of ascetic suggests that the wolves do "just know what he is".

How many mafia do we think is customary in a role madness type game with 21 people? 5? Is 6 too much?

14 people left, a soup kill of 4 people would put it at probably 4-5 mafia, 5-6 town. Killing 4 could very well end the game with 5 mafia still alive. 4 creates lylo

Yeah, I’m comfortable with gnome or Ender gone

Dunno who the other 2-3 mafia would be lol. Hell, it could be Mac. Or even you, Alison. Deeeepwolf

Not concerned about that right now tho

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:17 am Dunno who the other 2-3 mafia would be lol. Hell, it could be Mac. Or even you, Alison. Deeeepwolf

Not concerned about that right now tho

Oh, if Alison is scum, we're in deep doo doo.

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:22 am that's a whole new level of bastard if that's the case.

Is it tho

Didn't sean flip with a thing that let him dictate a guillo post

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:44 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:51 am Also wtf at that soup. If wolves gunned Mac don't they just know what he is????

Why are you assuming here that the soup failed because of Mac, as opposed to one of the other targets? The failure message simply states "one or more of the targets hasn't been matched to their role". Maybe they were right about Mac, and it's Lime Coke that isn't a doctor, or whatever.

You probably shouldve just said "I'm not a bomb giver" and left it at that tbh

Too late now obviously

If its real I'd expect probably two hits within ender gnome creature, if it's fake they're probably all town

I don't see how they can all three be town so I guess it was real


This is what air tight deductive reasoning looks like folks

lol I’m loving that the host vote actually counts for Ender.
Wtf is this game

Rethinking this through.

[VOTE: Garden Gnome] aubergine

Ender is the lead, him and Garden ended up voting Creature and if they're both with each other, voting on the same wagon as them might not be a bright idea.

Also Alison is on the wagon as well, think it's better to vote with her.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:04 pm Rethinking this through.

[VOTE: Garden Gnome] aubergine

Ender is the lead, him and Garden ended up voting Creature and if they're both with each other, voting on the same wagon as them might not be a bright idea.

I don't like bussing so you can be sure that Creature and I are not scum buddies.

The cheese stands alone

Dolby, who you looking to vote for bud?

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:23 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:04 pm Rethinking this through.

[VOTE: Garden Gnome] aubergine

Ender is the lead, him and Garden ended up voting Creature and if they're both with each other, voting on the same wagon as them might not be a bright idea.

I don't like bussing so you can be sure that Creature and I are not scum buddies.

Yeah the anti-bus meta is strong with this one.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:34 pm lol I’m loving that the host vote actually counts for Ender.
Wtf is this game

the host is scum.

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:34 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:34 pm lol I’m loving that the host vote actually counts for Ender.
Wtf is this game

the host is scum.

Well that helps the POE for sure.

Bastard isn’t even on the poll

Truly is unwinnable

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:33 pm

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:23 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:04 pm Rethinking this through.

[VOTE: Garden Gnome] aubergine

Ender is the lead, him and Garden ended up voting Creature and if they're both with each other, voting on the same wagon as them might not be a bright idea.

I don't like bussing so you can be sure that Creature and I are not scum buddies.

Yeah the anti-bus meta is strong with this one.

Key word: she doesn’t ‘like’ bussing, so you can be sure she will do it if she has to, but it’ll be like pulling teeth.

Probably tells me creature is town imo.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:36 pm

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:33 pm

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:23 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:04 pm Rethinking this through.

[VOTE: Garden Gnome] aubergine

Ender is the lead, him and Garden ended up voting Creature and if they're both with each other, voting on the same wagon as them might not be a bright idea.

I don't like bussing so you can be sure that Creature and I are not scum buddies.

Yeah the anti-bus meta is strong with this one.

Key word: she doesn’t ‘like’ bussing, so you can be sure she will do it if she has to, but it’ll be like pulling teeth.

Probably tells me creature is town imo.

I do like my teeth.
Which is why we should flip creature first.
If he flips scum, then you know that I am town.
And I really believe that he is scum.

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:44 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:36 pm

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:33 pm

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:23 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:04 pm Rethinking this through.

[VOTE: Garden Gnome] aubergine

Ender is the lead, him and Garden ended up voting Creature and if they're both with each other, voting on the same wagon as them might not be a bright idea.

I don't like bussing so you can be sure that Creature and I are not scum buddies.

Yeah the anti-bus meta is strong with this one.

Key word: she doesn’t ‘like’ bussing, so you can be sure she will do it if she has to, but it’ll be like pulling teeth.

Probably tells me creature is town imo.

I do like my teeth.
Which is why we should flip creature first.
If he flips scum, then you know that I am town.
And I really believe that he is scum.

It could mean that all the wagons are bad and you have to save someone. Him being scum doesn’t prove you didn’t bus him.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:48 pm

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:44 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:36 pm

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:33 pm

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:23 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:04 pm Rethinking this through.

[VOTE: Garden Gnome] aubergine

Ender is the lead, him and Garden ended up voting Creature and if they're both with each other, voting on the same wagon as them might not be a bright idea.

I don't like bussing so you can be sure that Creature and I are not scum buddies.

Yeah the anti-bus meta is strong with this one.

Key word: she doesn’t ‘like’ bussing, so you can be sure she will do it if she has to, but it’ll be like pulling teeth.

Probably tells me creature is town imo.

I do like my teeth.
Which is why we should flip creature first.
If he flips scum, then you know that I am town.
And I really believe that he is scum.

It could mean that all the wagons are bad and you have to save someone. Him being scum doesn’t prove you didn’t bus him.

good point. Unlikely, but you could be right. Still, why don't you check it out by flipping creature?

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:32 am

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:38 am I also feel sad that everyone seems to have mostly stopped thinking about reading people off of Michelle's flip.

That’s the main reason I think Ender is bad. Did you happen to read that? Where are you getting your Ender = town conclusions?

I see their interactions being too likely to come from Michelle interacting with a town player.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:36 am

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:35 am Honestly, fuck it. I really don't want to elim in this group. I'm inclined to believe that we have entirely town wagons.

[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

Naw, there’s some combination of town and mafia methinks. Someone’s attempting to save someone.
It makes sense to me that creature is town, even though he’s not playing as such, and that creature voteswell was to save both GG and Ender

I have a stronger townread on Ender than either of the other two. I don't think I'd ever vote for Ender prior to LyLO.

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:19 am

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:28 am

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:19 am

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:22 am [VOTE: Garden Gnome] aubergine

Out of the three here, I feel like this is most likely to be a hit.

It will be a hit.
You'll hit town.
Enjoy.

Most probably gnome is scum.

You'll find out after you flip me and I bleed green blood all over the place.
Like a Vulcan.

Green blood? Must be an imposter! Gnome sus.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:29 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:28 am I think Scotty has been townie today tbh. He has a lot of WIM and motivation to solve, and his thoughts are free flowing and make sense.

Conversely, I think Ender has looked townie today too lol

However, that doesn’t change the fact that his d2 was not and D1 Michele votes don’t look good

I think every scumread I've seen on Ender has been based on a single small part of their ISO, just like this read. I'm not convinced.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:35 pm

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:34 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:34 pm lol I’m loving that the host vote actually counts for Ender.
Wtf is this game

the host is scum.

Well that helps the POE for sure.

Bastard isn’t even on the poll

Truly is unwinnable

We could vote for the host.

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:15 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:35 pm

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:34 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:34 pm lol I’m loving that the host vote actually counts for Ender.
Wtf is this game

the host is scum.

Well that helps the POE for sure.

Bastard isn’t even on the poll

Truly is unwinnable

We could vote for the host.

that would be an interesting twist to the game.

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:09 pm

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:19 am

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:28 am

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:19 am

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:22 am [VOTE: Garden Gnome] aubergine

Out of the three here, I feel like this is most likely to be a hit.

It will be a hit.
You'll hit town.
Enjoy.

Most probably gnome is scum.

You'll find out after you flip me and I bleed green blood all over the place.
Like a Vulcan.

Green blood? Must be an imposter! Gnome sus.

space alien.
which is, of course, town.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:26 am

listo95 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:43 pm Hmm these responses from Ender do seem townie to me. Of course I'd like to resolve Nanook 1st but I have nothing against a Creature elim today.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

This switch from ender to creature has me weirded out though seeing one of his scum reads and one slot to clear is voting for creature.

My reason for the vote on Creature was because like I said I felt Ender was being townie and I've yet to get a town feel from Creature. So I figured resolve both slots at once with that elim.

In other news I'm not so sure about the GG train mainly because of my feel that Nanook is wolf and with him being the 3rd vote on it.

listo95 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:25 pm

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:26 am

listo95 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:43 pm Hmm these responses from Ender do seem townie to me. Of course I'd like to resolve Nanook 1st but I have nothing against a Creature elim today.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

This switch from ender to creature has me weirded out though seeing one of his scum reads and one slot to clear is voting for creature.

My reason for the vote on Creature was because like I said I felt Ender was being townie and I've yet to get a town feel from Creature. So I figured resolve both slots at once with that elim.

In other news I'm not so sure about the GG train mainly because of my feel that Nanook is wolf and with him being the 3rd vote on it.

With all these wolves left by my calculations, someone’s gotta be bussing someone

And then there’s Dolby, who is passed out in some back alley somewhere

I don’t know if that’s a lie please don’t kill me dolby

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:26 pm

listo95 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:25 pm

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:26 am

listo95 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:43 pm Hmm these responses from Ender do seem townie to me. Of course I'd like to resolve Nanook 1st but I have nothing against a Creature elim today.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

This switch from ender to creature has me weirded out though seeing one of his scum reads and one slot to clear is voting for creature.

My reason for the vote on Creature was because like I said I felt Ender was being townie and I've yet to get a town feel from Creature. So I figured resolve both slots at once with that elim.

In other news I'm not so sure about the GG train mainly because of my feel that Nanook is wolf and with him being the 3rd vote on it.

With all these wolves left by my calculations, someone’s gotta be bussing someone

Oh almost certainly. I'm just not sure which of them all would be bussing

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:27 pm And then there’s Dolby, who is passed out in some back alley somewhere

I don’t know if that’s a lie please don’t kill me dolby

Tbh I wish this was what happened

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:16 am

A Soup Kill Has Been Attempted!

The following soup kill has been submitted:

MacDougall - Ascetic
Dolby - Lie Detector
Lime Coke - Doctor
Alison - Bomb Giver

One or more of these players has been wrongly matched to their roles, as a result, the soup kill fails and the mafia team will lose their factional kill for tonight.

Can mafia submit a inaccurate soup kill on themselves?

Because this is a whack move

Mac Ascentic after what’s happening now? Maybe given D2 comments sure

Creature and GG have given comments that I can use my shot on since I announced it. Not sure if GG’s were intentional

Ender has not

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:23 pm Creature and GG have given comments that I can use my shot on since I announced it. Not sure if GG’s were intentional

Ender has not

Did you intend to say something past "Ender has not..."? It sounds like your thought is incomplete.

No

GG did you put some of the more recent (I’ll spill green blood) comments given my claim or nah

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:37 pm GG did you put some of the more recent (I’ll spill green blood) comments given my claim or nah

Nah. Spilling green blood just means that I'm going to flip town.

as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[VOTE: Lost Monkey] aubergine

listo95 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:25 pm

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:26 am

listo95 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:43 pm Hmm these responses from Ender do seem townie to me. Of course I'd like to resolve Nanook 1st but I have nothing against a Creature elim today.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

This switch from ender to creature has me weirded out though seeing one of his scum reads and one slot to clear is voting for creature.

My reason for the vote on Creature was because like I said I felt Ender was being townie and I've yet to get a town feel from Creature. So I figured resolve both slots at once with that elim.

In other news I'm not so sure about the GG train mainly because of my feel that Nanook is wolf and with him being the 3rd vote on it.

Imagine basing all your other reads on one incorrect scum read

Wild

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:58 pm as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:09 am as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:10 am as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[VOTE: Lost Monkey] aubergine

This is your poe? Vote me if yes

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:12 am

listo95 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:25 pm

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:26 am

listo95 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:43 pm Hmm these responses from Ender do seem townie to me. Of course I'd like to resolve Nanook 1st but I have nothing against a Creature elim today.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

This switch from ender to creature has me weirded out though seeing one of his scum reads and one slot to clear is voting for creature.

My reason for the vote on Creature was because like I said I felt Ender was being townie and I've yet to get a town feel from Creature. So I figured resolve both slots at once with that elim.

In other news I'm not so sure about the GG train mainly because of my feel that Nanook is wolf and with him being the 3rd vote on it.

Imagine basing all your other reads on one incorrect scum read

Wild

Yet I don't know if its incorrect. I am wolf reading you so of course I will base other reads around that also.