The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:44 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:31 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:25 pm To me the only reason a person would vote to tie a lynch that they weren't in danger in is because they are on the tribunal or know who is and they want to save the person that is in the lead during the un-tied period.

Significantly more plausible baddie motives RE: Ties.

But what if there's a baddie team with nobody on the tribunal, and hypothetically one of their own is up for a lynch? They'd want to avoid that tie, wouldn't they?

Yeah if someone votes to break ties that's also worth looking at but what I'm saying is if someone votes to cause a tie, and especially if that tie then breaks against whoever they voted for, that's a red flag for me

So...

Your strategy is to examine polls that get made into a tie and polls that do not get made into a tie?

Cool.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:01 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:25 am Picture looks fine.

I can vote after having posted. Looks like DH saw he couldn't vote, posted, and then pooped about not being able to vote without realising he should now be able to.

Weird post.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:06 amJack is bad

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:56 pm What do you think of the reason I gave for voting for Tranq, DH? It was your post, after all.

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:58 pm I'm glad you asked, juliets.

Note i said poll options, not polls. LC/BR polls are always important.
A World Reborn's Day 0 poll options were literally meaningless. Players had to choose between Prog and other music genres. Poll options had nothing to do with the lore of the game. The outcome of the poll, however, did.
I did a quick search on these poll options and didn't find anything meaningful, and made my post.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:07 am Jack my boy. Come, confess your sins to me.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:56 pm What do you think of the reason I gave for voting for Tranq, DH? It was your post, after all.

Tranq's post RE: "the poll is meaningless" struck me as disingenuous. Like he wanted to find something to say and wanted to feign ignorance.

It's a suspicious thing to have said on his part, and a good reason to vote for him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:04 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:56 pm What do you think of the reason I gave for voting for Tranq, DH? It was your post, after all.

Tranq's post RE: "the poll is meaningless" struck me as disingenuous. Like he wanted to find something to say and wanted to feign ignorance.

It's a suspicious thing to have said on his part, and a good reason to vote for him.

My thoughts eggzacktly, but I give him less meh for his explanation just now.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:04 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:56 pm What do you think of the reason I gave for voting for Tranq, DH? It was your post, after all.

Tranq's post RE: "the poll is meaningless" struck me as disingenuous. Like he wanted to find something to say and wanted to feign ignorance.

It's a suspicious thing to have said on his part, and a good reason to vote for him.

My thoughts eggzacktly, but I give him less meh for his explanation just now.

It's less suspicious of you to articulate those reasons instead of parroting me twice.

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:58 pm I'm glad you asked, juliets.

Note i said poll options, not polls. LC/BR polls are always important.
A World Reborn's Day 0 poll options were literally meaningless. Players had to choose between Prog and other music genres. Poll options had nothing to do with the lore of the game. The outcome of the poll, however, did.
I did a quick search on these poll options and didn't find anything meaningful, and made my post.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:54 am Please note that the map grid in the first post has been updated to the current state of the map. It had been an older version. It went from this:



...to this:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:54 am Please note that the map grid in the first post has been updated to the current state of the map. It had been an older version. It went from this:



...to this:

LC, those are the exact same...

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:49 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:40 pm Anyway I've ranked the people who have currently voted from most to least suspicious as of me typing this post without being linkied into any other votes:


Cbob - "His posting" is a funny but ultimately hollow and wormy way to explain the Colin vote
Colin - "No U" vote was cheeky but still bad.
Chuck - Did not give a reason for his DDL vote which IIRC came close to if not directly after Epi said he'd be voting DDL. Chuck pulling up to the train station early AF to save himself a seat.
Sloonei - Voting for anyone based on other people's reasons for suspecting people is suspicious to me. Make your own points. Stand on your own ground.
TH - Early vote for Sorsha for a hollow, funny reason. Doesn't look serious. Sorsha's not done anything overtly suspicious. Could be buddying/distancing but not worth losing my shit over instantly.
Epi - His DDL vote makes sense, he gave a good reason and was consistent.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:45 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:41 pm Sloonei is supertowning, which is good.

As a supertown, I demand that you talk about my Tranq vote.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:48 am Jackofhearts2005 want to trust team? Coming back to a 30 player fancy game is intimidating and I need to find a handhold somewhere.

Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:15 am btw i decided i have a truth meta now

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:04 am Nutella is fluffing so hard this game I almost think she has a curse.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:06 am I normally don't analyse roles too deeply at once but I'm normally not given a list of 28 roles that I'm supposed to figure out the alignment of so that really incited my curiosity.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:28 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:49 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:40 pm Anyway I've ranked the people who have currently voted from most to least suspicious as of me typing this post without being linkied into any other votes:


Cbob - "His posting" is a funny but ultimately hollow and wormy way to explain the Colin vote
Colin - "No U" vote was cheeky but still bad.
Chuck - Did not give a reason for his DDL vote which IIRC came close to if not directly after Epi said he'd be voting DDL. Chuck pulling up to the train station early AF to save himself a seat.
Sloonei - Voting for anyone based on other people's reasons for suspecting people is suspicious to me. Make your own points. Stand on your own ground.
TH - Early vote for Sorsha for a hollow, funny reason. Doesn't look serious. Sorsha's not done anything overtly suspicious. Could be buddying/distancing but not worth losing my shit over instantly.
Epi - His DDL vote makes sense, he gave a good reason and was consistent.

I read this the first time but it's not exactly meaty by your standards. Why requote it?

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:26 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:20 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:15 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:27 am Can I suggest that we change the vote word from aubergine to something that is not one of the role names? I mean, if the point is to be easily searched, then it seems to me it would make it easier if it were a word that isn't likely to come up. Also, lol to the hosts for putting that in there.

This aubergine thing sounds silly. Why is there a need to have a vote word?

Because since the poll itself no longer shows vote order some people may want to go back through the thread and track the vote order so the word aubergine was attached to in-thread votes (using the vote tags). That way you can search aubergine and bring up the votes and see the order.

Ok, i previewed a vote and see how it works now. I thought y'all were literally typing aubergine every time.
Still, looks like not everyone uses the vote tags so it doesn't really work imo. The whole thing looks ridiculous

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:41 pm Sloonei is supertowning, which is good.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:55 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:07 pm pichu is good in this game

How

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:45 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:41 pm Sloonei is supertowning, which is good.

Ok


Howbouyou

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:52 pm Screw it let's get this over with early or I'll be uneasy for the rest of the game [VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:53 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:52 pm Screw it let's get this over with early or I'll be uneasy for the rest of the game [VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine

Should be DH tbh

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:19 pm Keep an eye on the folks who darted in here early and, in light of the D0 poll result, pooh-poohed ties on the lynch poll. It’s a subtle way to establish a preemptive cop-out for either train-hopping later (to show they stick to their convictions) or blame-shifting to set up fall guys who tie polls that result in mislynches.

Close lynches and ties (whether mid-phase or at EOD) are valuable sources of information. Granted, that information is best in hindsight after the herd has thinned some.

We may not know who is on the Tribunal but we’re starting out with more civs than baddies (unless this game is extra-double whacky) and there are also two baddie factions, so the odds are against Tribunal being filled with one baddie team.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:32 pmYeah if someone votes to break ties that's also worth looking at but what I'm saying is if someone votes to cause a tie, and especially if that tie then breaks against whoever they voted for, that's a red flag for me

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:05 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:32 pmYeah if someone votes to break ties that's also worth looking at but what I'm saying is if someone votes to cause a tie, and especially if that tie then breaks against whoever they voted for, that's a red flag for me

when did this start? was this always your opinion on ties? i don't remember this coming up before and i feel like it would have, cus i basically do that constantly

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:55 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:44 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:31 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:25 pm To me the only reason a person would vote to tie a lynch that they weren't in danger in is because they are on the tribunal or know who is and they want to save the person that is in the lead during the un-tied period.

Significantly more plausible baddie motives RE: Ties.

But what if there's a baddie team with nobody on the tribunal, and hypothetically one of their own is up for a lynch? They'd want to avoid that tie, wouldn't they?

Yeah if someone votes to break ties that's also worth looking at but what I'm saying is if someone votes to cause a tie, and especially if that tie then breaks against whoever they voted for, that's a red flag for me

So...

Your strategy is to examine polls that get made into a tie and polls that do not get made into a tie?

Cool.

I'm not sure what's difficult to grasp about "I'm placing a higher level of scrutiny on votes that result in a tied lynch"

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:41 pm (In general I always think that pushing for a tie is a lame strategy. There's always a mechanism for deciding the result, and that mechanism always takes the responsibility of the outcome away from the hands of the voters, and that's never preferable. The existence of the tribunal does not change that. We should avoid any situations that would make the tribunal relevant, but none of this is really special to this game.)

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:41 pm (In general I always think that pushing for a tie is a lame strategy. There's always a mechanism for deciding the result, and that mechanism always takes the responsibility of the outcome away from the hands of the voters, and that's never preferable. The existence of the tribunal does not change that. We should avoid any situations that would make the tribunal relevant, but none of this is really special to this game.)

The reason to avoid ties has nothing to do with who is on the tribunal and everything to do with making it harder to draw conclusions from the lunch result.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:25 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:48 am Hmm good, we've started actually playing.

Epi, you still feeling DDL?

SVS could be obliquely defending sabie or poking Sloonei. Not a big fan of sabie's response.

Jackofhearts2005 want to trust team? Coming back to a 30 player fancy game is intimidating and I need to find a handhold somewhere.

Update: I no longer want to trust team you.

Looks like a lot of people busy this weekend... including me (as I will be away most of today).

[VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:57 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:15 am btw i decided i have a truth meta now

Lynch Enrique

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:37 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:48 am Hmm good, we've started actually playing.

Epi, you still feeling DDL?

SVS could be obliquely defending sabie or poking Sloonei. Not a big fan of sabie's response.

@Jackofhearts2005 want to trust team? Coming back to a 30 player fancy game is intimidating and I need to find a handhold somewhere.

Why Jack?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:01 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:19 pm Keep an eye on the folks who darted in here early and, in light of the D0 poll result, pooh-poohed ties on the lynch poll. It’s a subtle way to establish a preemptive cop-out for either train-hopping later (to show they stick to their convictions) or blame-shifting to set up fall guys who tie polls that result in mislynches.

Close lynches and ties (whether mid-phase or at EOD) are valuable sources of information. Granted, that information is best in hindsight after the herd has thinned some.

like

We may not know who is on the Tribunal but we’re starting out with more civs than baddies (unless this game is extra-double whacky) and there are also two baddie factions, so the odds are against Tribunal being filled with one baddie team.

what is tribunal?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:15 am The Tribunal of Judgement has been chosen. Three players will each secretly vote to decide the outcome of tied lynches.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:14 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:57 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:15 am btw i decided i have a truth meta now

Lynch Enrique

This is the game where I have no original thoughts.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:40 pm Anyway I've ranked the people who have currently voted from most to least suspicious as of me typing this post without being linkied into any other votes:


Cbob - "His posting" is a funny but ultimately hollow and wormy way to explain the Colin vote
Chuck - Did not give a reason for his DDL vote which IIRC came close to if not directly after Epi said he'd be voting DDL. Chuck pulling up to the train station early AF to save himself a seat.
Sloonei - Voting for anyone based on other people's reasons for suspecting people is suspicious to me. Make your own points. Stand on your own ground.
TH - Early vote for Sorsha for a hollow, funny reason. Doesn't look serious. Sorsha's not done anything overtly suspicious. Could be buddying/distancing but not worth losing my shit over instantly.
Epi - His DDL vote makes sense, he gave a good reason and was consistent.

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:15 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:27 am Can I suggest that we change the vote word from aubergine to something that is not one of the role names? I mean, if the point is to be easily searched, then it seems to me it would make it easier if it were a word that isn't likely to come up. Also, lol to the hosts for putting that in there.

This aubergine thing sounds silly. Why is there a need to have a vote word?