The Syndicate

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:28 pm iaafr also noticably turned off his online indicator so that might be scummy idk (is this an angleshoot on this site?)

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:28 pm iaafr also noticably turned off his online indicator so that might be scummy idk (is this an angleshoot on this site?)

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:30 pm I'm not going to hard defend Amy, or anyone else at this point, but a scum case based on low motivation in a day zero is not making me jump for the torch and pitchfork either. I'll have a comprehensive reads post sometime about twenty real time hours into day one, but right now I have some first impressions at most.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:34 pm Benson your whale gif is super cool!

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:33 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:30 pm I'm not going to hard defend Amy, or anyone else at this point, but a scum case based on low motivation in a day zero is not making me jump for the torch and pitchfork either. I'll have a comprehensive reads post sometime about twenty real time hours into day one, but right now I have some first impressions at most.

I mean I have no real case on Amy. That's just an intuition read.

Send those impressions, imo.
The less well-thought-out the better.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:43 am Three town (IAAFR tutuu radishes) down, too many more to go

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:39 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:33 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:30 pm I'm not going to hard defend Amy, or anyone else at this point, but a scum case based on low motivation in a day zero is not making me jump for the torch and pitchfork either. I'll have a comprehensive reads post sometime about twenty real time hours into day one, but right now I have some first impressions at most.

I mean I have no real case on Amy. That's just an intuition read.

Send those impressions, imo.
The less well-thought-out the better.

I got towny feelies for you, Tutuu, Alison, Rabbit, and Nutella...mostly null on the rest of the people who posted...I'm trying to decide if what I said about Radishes is true. That was a really "towny mindset" post if he got there unconsciously...and I don't really know Radishes well enough to claim it was in his wolf range to fake like I said.

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:45 pm
Unless you're reading that post deeper than I am, I don't see why it wouldn't be that hard for him to fake as wolf. He's a good wolf and can definitely fake a mindset like that.
That said, he generally gives me a good feeling so far.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:45 pm that said i was flattered by nanook calling me clear until d3 or whatever it was he said so im daypassing him probs

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:45 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:39 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:33 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:30 pm I'm not going to hard defend Amy, or anyone else at this point, but a scum case based on low motivation in a day zero is not making me jump for the torch and pitchfork either. I'll have a comprehensive reads post sometime about twenty real time hours into day one, but right now I have some first impressions at most.

I mean I have no real case on Amy. That's just an intuition read.

Send those impressions, imo.
The less well-thought-out the better.

I got towny feelies for you, Tutuu, Alison, Rabbit, and Nutella...mostly null on the rest of the people who posted...I'm trying to decide if what I said about Radishes is true. That was a really "towny mindset" post if he got there unconsciously...and I don't really know Radishes well enough to claim it was in his wolf range to fake like I said.

Unless you're reading that post deeper than I am, I don't see why it wouldn't be that hard for him to fake as wolf. He's a good wolf and can definitely fake a mindset like that.
That said, he generally gives me a good feeling so far.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:48 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:45 pm that said i was flattered by nanook calling me clear until d3 or whatever it was he said so im daypassing him probs

Clear until f3!

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:49 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:45 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:39 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:33 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:30 pm I'm not going to hard defend Amy, or anyone else at this point, but a scum case based on low motivation in a day zero is not making me jump for the torch and pitchfork either. I'll have a comprehensive reads post sometime about twenty real time hours into day one, but right now I have some first impressions at most.

I mean I have no real case on Amy. That's just an intuition read.

Send those impressions, imo.
The less well-thought-out the better.

I got towny feelies for you, Tutuu, Alison, Rabbit, and Nutella...mostly null on the rest of the people who posted...I'm trying to decide if what I said about Radishes is true. That was a really "towny mindset" post if he got there unconsciously...and I don't really know Radishes well enough to claim it was in his wolf range to fake like I said.

Unless you're reading that post deeper than I am, I don't see why it wouldn't be that hard for him to fake as wolf. He's a good wolf and can definitely fake a mindset like that.
That said, he generally gives me a good feeling so far.

There's hardly anything that can't be faked, the question always really comes down to "is this a fake that would occur to this person?" That I can't really answer. I know it would occur to me, but I think like that all the time.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:28 pm iaafr also noticably turned off his online indicator so that might be scummy idk (is this an angleshoot on this site?)

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:56 pm Okay, so didn't overestimate the Master Radishes. Will keep in mind.

Feelies on Alison and Tutuu based on their initial clash being too attention grabby to be w/w, and Tutuu's reaction being too calm to be a wolf randomly tunneled by a villager friend.

Any thoughts here?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:56 pm Okay, so didn't overestimate the Master Radishes. Will keep in mind.

Feelies on Alison and Tutuu based on their initial clash being too attention grabby to be w/w, and Tutuu's reaction being too calm to be a wolf randomly tunneled by a villager friend.

Any thoughts here?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:57 pm Rabbit's just Rabbit...if his Amy read flip flops less than five times in the course of D1 I will worry about him.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:59 pm Reserved for day 1 flavor (it's real guys it's real).

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:04 pm now gonna actively lurk and conserve posts for the first 24h

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:21 pm

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Amy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:06 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:32 pm I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.

i want it known that he did something similar in his last non-mash towngame and kept it up for all of d1. this is NAI for him

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:34 pm I agree with this yeah, I think he's deffo in wolfrange so far

and you should know this, because you were in that game. what's different about him here?

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Amy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:10 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:52 pm 24/30

tr on tim, i think its towny that he spent a post saying "wait did X rly do Y?" instead of taking 5 secs to scroll back and see for it himself. and im kinda feeling like he still didnt bother going back to look for it, he just assumed what im saying is true and went along with it and made a joke

this is a bad read on tim, because tim is a player who's generally extremely cognizant of his own posting and able to deliberately fake stuff like this as a wolf quite well

that said i think it's kind of villagery to make this read, maybe?

i'm torn on tutuu in general because i think the way they kinda jumped us out of shitposting phase by taking a jokepost seriously is something i've seen both alignments do and i'm not entirely sure which one i'm looking at here. gth probably v off tone but far from sure

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Amy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:14 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:09 am If we're reading alignment based on avatars then a Your Name avatar has to be lock town right? Like that movie is on par with Madoka Magica.

Anyway even if the "call your own play scummy" thing is NAI for him I think the rest of my points are still valid.

i haven't seen madoka magica but i'm already pocketed gg

i think your disliking the use of the word "tunnel" there is again somewhat NAI for iaafr; i think there may be something to your point on potential TMI on you/tutuu but i'm not willing to go anywhere near that until people start flipping, i think

idk i guess i just struggle to see anything iaafr's really done so far as being anything other than "iaafr being iaafr"

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Amy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:17 am i guess honestly given that it's d0 and doesn't matter, and that the threadstate mostly reflects this, it's probably lightly villagery in a vacuum for anyone to be actually Playing The Game at this point

which i think looks best for alison because she's taking it the most seriously

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Amy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:18 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:15 am Premature. Not bad. It was reasoned. Amy is correct that there was absolutely nothing outside my wolf range there, but as long as you give solid reasoning you aren't making a bad read. Just don't count it as a conclusion.

yeah perhaps better phrasing would have been "bad way to read tim specifically"

side note ctrl+i not italicizing on this forum is yet another reason why phpBB needs to go away

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Amy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:23 am

protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:23 am framing their introduction
background state of mind
this person comes to meme
and be excused for this mentality later in the game

do you not find it scummy?

it's a copypasta. i didn't write it

amy posts enclosed

these are all scum posts

first is scum post, meme copypasta that's not particularly original or fitting is >rand scum (based on experience with wiggles doing it once as scum, n=1 reads goat)

everything amy's posted so far is easily postable as scum. like scarily easily. i can't find a single thought by amy that makes me want to town her, and i don't think she'd be QUITE this underwhelming as town. think she's just low wim scum because she didn't particularly want to rand scum here and can't find the motivation to put her pride on the line by trying particularly hard. clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest). amy is just completely transparently joyless in this game, and i think that's because of her alignment.

might not be a particularly convincing case, but i feel pretty good about this scumread.

sorry if wrong, this is my d1 tunnel.

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

townreads:

nutella, tutuu, protocultures

townleans:

tim, scirrus (guttest of gut), werewolfhunter, alison, long con

null/scumlean/flipfloppy:

nanook, radishes, benson, dyslexicon, coliniscool, kza, colonialbob

scumread:

amy



not giving deep reasons for any reads except the scumcase i wrote on amy for now. will start writing towncases sometime during the day, after more stuff has happened.

tempted to put benson in townleans, but... just a bit sketched by a few little things. similar thoughts with nanook/radishes. the rest of the people in that group don't seem to be playing to be read any townier than null regardless of actual alignment, so i feel like they're pretty understandable placements. also slightly sketched by alison, but i mildly mindmelded with the early tutuu sus (before i decided it was civ/civ) and thats enough to make me gth her town.

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:12 pm The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit. The second is to look things in the face and know them for what they are.

[VOTE: Amy ] aubergine


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Rabbit, did I move up just because I'm also SRing Amy? Or was it something else?

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:12 pm The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit. The second is to look things in the face and know them for what they are.

[VOTE: Amy ] aubergine


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Rabbit, did I move up just because I'm also SRing Amy? Or was it something else?

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:21 pm clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest).

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:49 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:48 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:45 pm that said i was flattered by nanook calling me clear until d3 or whatever it was he said so im daypassing him probs

Clear until f3!

aight; deal; likewise

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:18 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:21 pm clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest).

i mean, in my personal opinion this is a reach. i saw it as clarification for the sake of clarification, ive flatly clarified a bunch of stuff already this game i feel like (and reminder im town) altho maybe they werent flat and i just cant accurately recognize how i come off as but. mm. idk, like, ... nvm actually u do say it yourself that this point might be weakest

i like the person with the whale avatar. was it benson? i like alison's tr on him alot.

looks like im in the minority but i kind of dislike nutella? (in the sense of not townreading her obviously!). i think that shes hard to read, finding her as town in pyre mafia wasnt easy, a lot of ppl were scumreading her but i managed to do it. and in this game i feel like if she's town it's ... even harder to find her? and everyone townreading her is just making me paused. am i in the wrong here to perceive nutella this way, or am i not? that is the question

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tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:18 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:21 pm clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest).

i mean, in my personal opinion this is a reach. i saw it as clarification for the sake of clarification, ive flatly clarified a bunch of stuff already this game i feel like (and reminder im town) altho maybe they werent flat and i just cant accurately recognize how i come off as but. mm. idk, like, ... nvm actually u do say it yourself that this point might be weakest

i like the person with the whale avatar. was it benson? i like alison's tr on him alot.

looks like im in the minority but i kind of dislike nutella? (in the sense of not townreading her obviously!). i think that shes hard to read, finding her as town in pyre mafia wasnt easy, a lot of ppl were scumreading her but i managed to do it. and in this game i feel like if she's town it's ... even harder to find her? and everyone townreading her is just making me paused. am i in the wrong here to perceive nutella this way, or am i not? that is the question

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iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:57 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:56 pm Okay, so didn't overestimate the Master Radishes. Will keep in mind.

Feelies on Alison and Tutuu based on their initial clash being too attention grabby to be w/w, and Tutuu's reaction being too calm to be a wolf randomly tunneled by a villager friend.

Any thoughts here?

my townread on tutuu is essentially for depth and transparency of thoughts that felt genuine and idiosyncratic

my townlean on alison is because i also thought tutuu gave mild scum vibes early and alison's readiness to jump on her susses and get into the game immediately is towny in my book

Amy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:41 pm This is the one and only post I'm gonna use for self-defense unless this wagon sticks.

Consider this post largely addressed at Rabbit.

I'm multitabling. I'm pooped from Anni. I tend to intentionally use light games to decompress and not tryhard. And perhaps most pertinently, I'm pretty damn capable of faking joie de vivre as a wolf. It'd perhaps be harder if I was burned out from wolfing, but I've had a healthy mix of rands thus far this summer and if I were a wolf here I don't think we'd be in for a mountainado repeat. Go take a peek at my ISO in Voxx 9er if you don't believe me, but early tonereads aren't a good way to catch me.

You're correct that nothing I've posted yet is out of my wolfrange. If you're expecting me to leave my wolfrange in... 9? posts on day 0, you have unrealistic expectations for my towngame.

I was always entering this game with Zackpasta regardless of rand, it's a good pasta. I considered making a joke at proto's expense about not realizing it was a pasta but honestly I was afraid he wouldn't get that one either. Having people not realize jokes are jokes gets old.

Hopefully my future body of work will speak for itself, but I'd prefer to nip any misguided tunnels in the bud; like I said, Anni was exhausting. Will be around to post more content later tonight.

The worst vote on me is Nutella's.

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