The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:06 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:05 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:18 pm Kyle just floating around

He's always floating around.

I give you one chance to convince me you're not scum with Seanzie. Tell me who the other mafia is.

Isn't floating around what bees do? Is this a town read by Bo?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:09 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:08 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:05 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:18 pm Kyle just floating around

He's always floating around.

I give you one chance to convince me you're not scum with Seanzie. Tell me who the other mafia is.

Just check who's in the "Scum Chat", and those people that you're looking for. Only thing is that would make them your partners...

Very awkward response. You're scum with Seanzie.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:15 pm alison disregarding my vote on her and just doing work is a read

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:23 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:20 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:15 pm why it would it be a bad thing if LC was making up a reason to suspect Seanzie

Cuz' it would mean he doesn't have an actual reason & is creating false narratives?

So?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:05 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:04 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:12 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:01 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:54 pm LC getting on Seanzie for writing style has my attention.

In a "That's a BS reason to sus someone", or a "Yeah that's a good point" way?

Former.

It's not a BS reason. I mean, I don't think it's a read I'd make here, but writing style is definitely a way to read people.

Pocket request application approved.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:16 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:15 pm alison disregarding my vote on her and just doing work is a read

It's pretty NAI for me.

What makes you think it's AI?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:03 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:53 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:51 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:24 pm But no one is cool enough to say the phrase "calms my qualms" naturally, that is a constructed deliberate careful thing to say, and it shows that Sean is Mafia.

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

Interesting take. What's your take-away from his interactions with BK if Seanzie is Maf?

Bo is actually getting confused and overwhelmed by Seanzie's questioning in real time. Not w/w, sorry Alison.

If they are wolves together they are faking a fight to distance.

Why do you think this is not a faked fight?

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:03 pm Did anyone wear green today?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:04 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:12 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:01 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:54 pm LC getting on Seanzie for writing style has my attention.

In a "That's a BS reason to sus someone", or a "Yeah that's a good point" way?

Former.

It's not a BS reason. I mean, I don't think it's a read I'd make here, but writing style is definitely a way to read people.

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:43 pm alison is town imo

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:41 pm What? My posts to Alison were not about you.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:03 pm Did anyone wear green today?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:42 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:16 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:15 pm alison disregarding my vote on her and just doing work is a read

It's pretty NAI for me.

What makes you think it's AI?

it's more the work that seems lightly fried AI rather than the ignoring itself.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:51 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:04 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:12 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:01 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:54 pm LC getting on Seanzie for writing style has my attention.

In a "That's a BS reason to sus someone", or a "Yeah that's a good point" way?

Former.

It's not a BS reason. I mean, I don't think it's a read I'd make here, but writing style is definitely a way to read people.

If you know them really well, sure. I don't get the impression that LC knows Seanzie very well, and uh... I suspect this writing style is normal for Seanzie, for reasons.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:35 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:23 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:20 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:15 pm why it would it be a bad thing if LC was making up a reason to suspect Seanzie

Cuz' it would mean he doesn't have an actual reason & is creating false narratives?

So?

Here LC does all but admit that he didn't have an actual reason and was weaving a false narrative.

Kyle mentions "hey, town sometimes do this RD1 to generate conversation."

Ok, sure I can see that.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:05 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:04 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:12 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:01 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:54 pm LC getting on Seanzie for writing style has my attention.

In a "That's a BS reason to sus someone", or a "Yeah that's a good point" way?

Former.

It's not a BS reason. I mean, I don't think it's a read I'd make here, but writing style is definitely a way to read people.

Pocket request application approved.

But here we have Alison bring up writing style analysis as a legit way to make reads, and LC approves.


Here's the kicker, you can't have it both ways. Either you're making up narrative early on to stir up conversation, or you're legit analyzing writing to scum hunt. LC's just going with whichever way the wind blows, he doesn't have conviction in his approach.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:05 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:42 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:16 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:15 pm alison disregarding my vote on her and just doing work is a read

It's pretty NAI for me.

What makes you think it's AI?

it's more the work that seems lightly fried AI rather than the ignoring itself.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "lightly fried AI", care to explain?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:07 pm @Allison, if I flipped right now and you found out I was town, would you still scumread BK?

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:11 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:07 pm @Allison, if I flipped right now and you found out I was town, would you still scumread BK?

why are you asking this? Do you scum read BK?

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:19 pm what is everyones read on fingersplits?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:10 pm Ratrug and ts account are in the appropriate position to be the third mafia.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:48 pm For the reason in the post you quoted. Because Bo's reaction is tempered in a very hard-to-fake way, not overreacting and shrinking away too much, and no false bravado at the same time. Just gives a quiet "wtf" and moves on with his life.

Oh but mainly Bo is towny and the reason you have to call them w/w is pretty hardcore reachy.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:07 pm @Allison, if I flipped right now and you found out I was town, would you still scumread BK?

Ratrug wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:54 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:10 pm Ratrug and ts account are in the appropriate position to be the third mafia.

Why is that?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:19 am

Ratrug wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:54 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:10 pm Ratrug and ts account are in the appropriate position to be the third mafia.

Why is that?

Because I believe the first two mafia are BK and Seanzie, and if BK and Seanzie are mafia then they entered the thread by loudly distancing. And if they entered the thread by loudly distancing it suggests that their third member is afk and probably someone neither of them know. You and ts account fit that bill; for instance I don't think BK and Seanzie would play this day the way they did if Esooa or Nanook was the third. fingersplints is a candidate but they're sufficiently townie that they aren't my highest suspect.

Now this relies on a few assumptions so I wasn't as confident that it had to be exactly you two. But luckily your beetlejuice has affirmed my suspicions on you, so I feel good that I'm on the right track.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:19 am

Ratrug wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:54 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:10 pm Ratrug and ts account are in the appropriate position to be the third mafia.

Why is that?

Because I believe the first two mafia are BK and Seanzie, and if BK and Seanzie are mafia then they entered the thread by loudly distancing. And if they entered the thread by loudly distancing it suggests that their third member is afk and probably someone neither of them know. You and ts account fit that bill; for instance I don't think BK and Seanzie would play this day the way they did if Esooa or Nanook was the third. fingersplints is a candidate but they're sufficiently townie that they aren't my highest suspect.

Now this relies on a few assumptions so I wasn't as confident that it had to be exactly you two. But luckily your beetlejuice has affirmed my suspicions on you, so I feel good that I'm on the right track.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:15 am Is Kyle's first read of the game that Alison is town because she's putting in effort to solve? That's a scummy opener from Kyle.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:07 pm @Allison, if I flipped right now and you found out I was town, would you still scumread BK?

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:22 am why wouldn't they play like that if I was their partner

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:25 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:15 am Is Kyle's first read of the game that Alison is town because she's putting in effort to solve? That's a scummy opener from Kyle.

that was like my 4th or 5th read

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:25 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:07 pm @Allison, if I flipped right now and you found out I was town, would you still scumread BK?

Alison has one 'L', I think this mention wouldn't hit her. She'll see it anyway of course. Just saying.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:24 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:19 am

Ratrug wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:54 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:10 pm Ratrug and ts account are in the appropriate position to be the third mafia.

Why is that?

Because I believe the first two mafia are BK and Seanzie, and if BK and Seanzie are mafia then they entered the thread by loudly distancing. And if they entered the thread by loudly distancing it suggests that their third member is afk and probably someone neither of them know. You and ts account fit that bill; for instance I don't think BK and Seanzie would play this day the way they did if Esooa or Nanook was the third. fingersplints is a candidate but they're sufficiently townie that they aren't my highest suspect.

Now this relies on a few assumptions so I wasn't as confident that it had to be exactly you two. But luckily your beetlejuice has affirmed my suspicions on you, so I feel good that I'm on the right track.

How is Fingersplints townie here?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:28 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:24 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:19 am

Ratrug wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:54 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:10 pm Ratrug and ts account are in the appropriate position to be the third mafia.

Why is that?

Because I believe the first two mafia are BK and Seanzie, and if BK and Seanzie are mafia then they entered the thread by loudly distancing. And if they entered the thread by loudly distancing it suggests that their third member is afk and probably someone neither of them know. You and ts account fit that bill; for instance I don't think BK and Seanzie would play this day the way they did if Esooa or Nanook was the third. fingersplints is a candidate but they're sufficiently townie that they aren't my highest suspect.

Now this relies on a few assumptions so I wasn't as confident that it had to be exactly you two. But luckily your beetlejuice has affirmed my suspicions on you, so I feel good that I'm on the right track.

How is Fingersplints townie here?

Questions the LC meta for no reason and and feels comfortable in the thread.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:35 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:23 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:20 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:15 pm why it would it be a bad thing if LC was making up a reason to suspect Seanzie

Cuz' it would mean he doesn't have an actual reason & is creating false narratives?

So?

Here LC does all but admit that he didn't have an actual reason and was weaving a false narrative.

Kyle mentions "hey, town sometimes do this RD1 to generate conversation."

Ok, sure I can see that.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:05 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:04 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:12 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:01 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:54 pm LC getting on Seanzie for writing style has my attention.

In a "That's a BS reason to sus someone", or a "Yeah that's a good point" way?

Former.

It's not a BS reason. I mean, I don't think it's a read I'd make here, but writing style is definitely a way to read people.

Pocket request application approved.

But here we have Alison bring up writing style analysis as a legit way to make reads, and LC approves.


Here's the kicker, you can't have it both ways. Either you're making up narrative early on to stir up conversation, or you're legit analyzing writing to scum hunt. LC's just going with whichever way the wind blows, he doesn't have conviction in his approach.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:42 am Aw man seanzie finally rolled mafia, rip

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:45 am So I'mma throw out a scumread on Alison with a tinfoil that Alison/LC are teamed.

I don't have a lot of experience with Alison, but I saw her play a game as town where she very confidently put together a PoE of 4 people on D1 (there were 4 scum in the setup), and 3 out of the 4 were scum. She did this by quickly town-clearing many people, and then everyone that was left was scum. She bragged about having something like an 80% hit rate on her reads, and while I didn't really believe her at the time, the proof was there after the dust had settled and everyone's alignments were known.

Here, she is taking a very different approach, and one that I don't think at all is in the same style as how she approached that game. First, I don't see her trying to townclear people at all right now. Second, her whole scumhunt right now hinges on the idea that I am scum, which I know is false. She is making huge leaps from here (BK and I must be scum, therefore Ratrug is scum because BK wouldn't play this way if I was scum and Nook or Esooa were too, etc). If she is town, she might be lucking into a correct read on BK or Ratrug, but her reasoning is wrong, and thus in terms of actually catching scum for the right reasons, she is shooting 0% right now, while not townhunting at all. I'd guess with how good she actually is, this is scum-indicative.

The LC thing really is just tinfoil and I don't give this theory a lot of weight, so please take it for what it is worth. It is reaching, but it seems like if I am right about Alison, and Alison is acting this way, I have possibly been chosen as wolfbait, and so LC's somewhat controversial "calm my qualms" read might be indicative of a teammate of Alison helping to shade me. Esooa I suppose could also kind of fit this bill, but Esooa's suspicions on me felt reasonably genuine, whereas I cannot say the same for LC's.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:28 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:25 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:15 am Is Kyle's first read of the game that Alison is town because she's putting in effort to solve? That's a scummy opener from Kyle.

that was like my 4th or 5th read

What are your first three?