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Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:55 am
by Gavial
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Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:55 am
by Gavial
Also pasted from Google

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:56 am
by BoKnows
Archosauria. epic name

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:57 am
by Marmot
Esooa wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:14 pm
hollowkatt wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:13 pm @Alison I'll take a tarot read if you wanna do one
Image

Punish the Fool?

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:00 am
by Marmot
In other news, this appears to not be the long-awaited game where I see a scum seanzie. I'm ok with this.

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:02 am
by Gavial
Marmot wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:00 am In other news, this appears to not be the long-awaited game where I see a scum seanzie. I'm ok with this.
Elaborate on your SR? :confused:

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:02 am
by Marmot
Urist wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:33 pm Samu / falcon looks like w / w
Terrible reaponses both ways

So you think that two mafia members decided to have a go at each other and failed miserably?

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:03 am
by Marmot
Gavial wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:02 am
Marmot wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:00 am In other news, this appears to not be the long-awaited game where I see a scum seanzie. I'm ok with this.
Elaborate on your SR? :confused:

I TR sean :nicenod:

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:03 am
by Gavial
Marmot wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:02 am
Urist wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:33 pm Samu / falcon looks like w / w
Terrible reaponses both ways

So you think that two mafia members decided to have a go at each other and failed miserably?
It’s a possible, remember my last scum game with Tony?

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:03 am
by Gavial
Even a bit of Jack.

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:04 am
by Gavial
Marmot wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:03 am
Gavial wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:02 am
Marmot wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:00 am In other news, this appears to not be the long-awaited game where I see a scum seanzie. I'm ok with this.
Elaborate on your SR? :confused:

I TR sean :nicenod:
Oh shit I read that wrong.
My bad.

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:04 am
by Marmot
Gavial wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:03 am
Marmot wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:02 am
Urist wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:33 pm Samu / falcon looks like w / w
Terrible reaponses both ways

So you think that two mafia members decided to have a go at each other and failed miserably?
It’s a possible, remember my last scum game with Tony?

I do very much remember, but that doesn't make it a common nor easy occurrence.

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:05 am
by Gavial
Marmot wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:04 am
Gavial wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:03 am
Marmot wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:02 am
Urist wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:33 pm Samu / falcon looks like w / w
Terrible reaponses both ways

So you think that two mafia members decided to have a go at each other and failed miserably?
It’s a possible, remember my last scum game with Tony?

I do very much remember, but that doesn't make it a common nor easy occurrence.
It also doesn’t mean it should be ruled out.
It should be considered NAI.
Simple as that!

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:11 am
by Marmot
Gavial wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:05 am
Marmot wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:04 am
Gavial wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:03 am
Marmot wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:02 am
Urist wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:33 pm Samu / falcon looks like w / w
Terrible reaponses both ways

So you think that two mafia members decided to have a go at each other and failed miserably?
It’s a possible, remember my last scum game with Tony?

I do very much remember, but that doesn't make it a common nor easy occurrence.
It also doesn’t mean it should be ruled out.
It should be considered NAI.
Simple as that!

I disagree, to some extent.
My point is that it is something that rarely happens, thus I'm willing to accept for now that it's not what's happening here, because statistically, it's a safe assumption.
Yes it can happen, it just probably wouldn't.


Also, technically anything that is said in a mafia game could have been said as either alignment, but it's not all NAI.

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:14 am
by hollowkatt
falcon45ca wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:25 am
hollowkatt wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:16 am ok thanks. I can see how he gets to "one of falcon, seanzie, samusamu is a wolf". Seems like that's a fairly reasonable stance to take. Not thrilled with his "don't want to hit wrong" take tho, it's still early.
His second post you quote is meh to me. Can grok why you don't like it.
Third post is a throw-away in my book.

I guess I get what concerns you, so thanks, I appreciate it.
Yeah, but here's the thing...he's called out D1 voting and early play already as not being something to build legit reads on, right?


So why is he taking these early interactions so seriously himself and framing it "1 of these 3 is Maf"? Seems contradictory to his earlier stance, no?


His "don't wanna hit wrong" is total bullshit, that is not a townie mindset at all.


Pffft, real town obviously never wanna hit wrong, but its D1! Nobody is close to getting hit yet, and even if we were...its D1, hitting wrong happens.


He def seems a flame fanner fo sho.
fuck it I'm in [VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:15 am
by Marmot
Alison should be turbo'd for not putting all her tarot pictures in spoilers and thus diluting our precious game thread real estate.

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:15 am
by hollowkatt
Gavial wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:34 am
hollowkatt wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:52 pm
Gavial wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:21 pm
hollowkatt wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:13 pm
Alison wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:33 pm
Gavial wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:48 pm If this is scum theatre this is the best I’ve ever seen.
Spoiler: show
That hasn’t been done by me.
I find this hard to believe. I don't think there was anything special about Marmot's interaction with me. I think you are just pulling up random posts and slapping some semi-defensible comment on them to look solvey.

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine
funny, I was gonna call him town lol
hollowkatt wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:15 pm
Alison wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:38 pm I think Samusamu is townie in ways that make him appear to be an easy push for mafia. I call this the Michelle-Timsup2nothin archetype. Of the people pushing him I find falcon's push most townie because it seems motivated by a mixture of paranoia and townie OMGUS. Urist and Gavial piling on are things that I am not a fan of at all.
not sure I'd lump Tim into that archetype. He's way more feisty than Michelle. Maybe call it the Michelle-Wisdom archetype and I'm in.
yes that means I think samusamu might be town. I'm not getting the weirdness from that conversation others are
What makes you TR me?
Also, By “weirdness” I’m assuming your not seeing the lack of genuineness that I see.
Alright, then do you just think Samu might be town for the same reason Alison has given “Easy ML” or do you have your own take regarding Samu?
I like your tone. Sure, wolves can fake tone, you might even be good at that I dunno, but I like it. I also like the way you're approaching things and leaving your thoughts on the table.

By weirdness I mean the clustery conversation he was a part of. I didn't read him as coming off weird or disingenuous.
my samu take is that I don't think he's doing/saying wolfy things. Has nothing to do with him being ML bait like Alison would say.
So wouldn’t Samu just be a Null/Null Town for you rather then an actual TR/TL.
I put in bold the part you appear to have missed
hollowkatt wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:15 pm
Alison wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:38 pm I think Samusamu is townie in ways that make him appear to be an easy push for mafia. I call this the Michelle-Timsup2nothin archetype. Of the people pushing him I find falcon's push most townie because it seems motivated by a mixture of paranoia and townie OMGUS. Urist and Gavial piling on are things that I am not a fan of at all.
not sure I'd lump Tim into that archetype. He's way more feisty than Michelle. Maybe call it the Michelle-Wisdom archetype and I'm in.
yes that means I think samusamu might be town. I'm not getting the weirdness from that conversation others are

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:17 am
by hollowkatt
Gavial wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:42 am
BoKnows wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:18 am Idk I'm just shocked someone is already talking w/w about two people having a quick interaction.
I’m just saying don’t rule it out.
The person who said exact they think it’s w/w was Urist.
But I suppose I can’t blame yeah as you could have missed that post considering Urist only has a grand total of 2 posts.
odds on urist wolf if either of those two flip town?

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:18 am
by TonyStarkPrime
so who are wolves

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:19 am
by Marmot
Gavial wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:23 pm I’m honestly still trying to comprehend what the first paragraph says, honestly this seems very poorly writen.
Either this guy has problems typing what they say or they are just not being genuine here.
Because this legit looks like it was a thrown together response with no heart given into it.
While I understand what is being said and know a town can think like this, I just can’t comprehend why they wrote it like this.

I believe English is not Samu's primary language.

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:19 am
by hollowkatt
Gavial wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:46 am I was gonna say there could be no wolves at all and they are just lying in the back but then I realize that TSP/Urist/Doom/Jessie as the team is kinda dumb.
why's that?

like say you've got a chunk of townies having at it with each other, why step in the middle of that? Why not rumble in later and go "eh, this all looks dumb/theater/performative" and push based on that?

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:19 am
by TonyStarkPrime
Marmot wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:04 am
Gavial wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:03 am
Marmot wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:02 am
Urist wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:33 pm Samu / falcon looks like w / w
Terrible reaponses both ways

So you think that two mafia members decided to have a go at each other and failed miserably?
It’s a possible, remember my last scum game with Tony?

I do very much remember, but that doesn't make it a common nor easy occurrence.
tbh that one was very obviously w/w

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:19 am
by TonyStarkPrime
hk your pfp is my phone background for approximately 16 weeks every year

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:20 am
by hollowkatt
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:18 am so who are wolves
ur face

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:20 am
by TonyStarkPrime
how do i make a deal with dunia

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:20 am
by hollowkatt
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:19 am hk your pfp is my phone background for approximately 16 weeks every year
attention everyone: TSP gets a free pass today

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:21 am
by hollowkatt
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:20 am how do i make a deal with dunia
Image

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:21 am
by Marmot
Lions' fans need all the help they can get.

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:21 am
by TonyStarkPrime
there's a moth on my ceiling. if I sleep it may fly into my mouth.

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:24 am
by TonyStarkPrime
wanna figure out how to make it so dunia wins alone

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:24 am
by Marmot
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:20 am how do i make a deal with dunia

what kind of cookies do you like?

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:25 am
by falcon45ca
Gavial wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:33 am I didn’t join this game to crack the Croc I join this game to actually participate and this is how I do it.
Participate and hunt as thou will.


Don't begrudge others for doing the same tho

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:25 am
by TonyStarkPrime
snickerdoodle

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:25 am
by TonyStarkPrime
mmm snickerdoodles

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:28 am
by Marmot
Mmmmmm, I love me some snickerdoodles

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:31 am
by Marmot
@Gavial could you like a recent town game from you? I have no meta on that front.

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:31 am
by Marmot
EBWOP: could you link a recent town game

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:45 am
by Marmot
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME


Alison - posts
Boknows - posts
Doom - posts
Esooa - posts
Falcon - posts
Gavial - posts
Hollowkatt - posts
JessieKruger - posts
Long Con - posts
Marmot - posts
Samusamu - posts
Seanzie - posts
Tsp - posts
Urist - posts

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:51 am
by Gavial
Marmot wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:11 am
Gavial wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:05 am
Marmot wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:04 am
Gavial wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:03 am
Marmot wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:02 am
Urist wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:33 pm Samu / falcon looks like w / w
Terrible reaponses both ways

So you think that two mafia members decided to have a go at each other and failed miserably?
It’s a possible, remember my last scum game with Tony?

I do very much remember, but that doesn't make it a common nor easy occurrence.
It also doesn’t mean it should be ruled out.
It should be considered NAI.
Simple as that!

I disagree, to some extent.
My point is that it is something that rarely happens, thus I'm willing to accept for now that it's not what's happening here, because statistically, it's a safe assumption.
Yes it can happen, it just probably wouldn't.


Also, technically anything that is said in a mafia game could have been said as either alignment, but it's not all NAI.
Can’t remember the interaction but I believed that that one has a higher chance to not be W/W then the Falcon/Samu one.
It’s not the major interaction that makes things not W/W that is actually the most common W/W it’s more like those small ones that are just real uncaring and too uncaring to be between scum.

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:53 am
by Gavial
I think I’m like half asleep cause I don’t even understand what I just wrote but basically,
W/W - Major Interactions
Not W/W - Uncaring Basic Interactions

This is usually how it works.

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:56 am
by Long Con
Gavial wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:53 am I think I’m like half asleep cause I don’t even understand what I just wrote but basically,
W/W - Major Interactions
Not W/W - Uncaring Basic Interactions

This is usually how it works.
How what works again?

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:56 am
by Long Con
Gavial wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:53 am I think I’m like half asleep cause I don’t even understand what I just wrote but basically,
W/W - Major Interactions
Not W/W - Uncaring Basic Interactions

This is usually how it works.
How what works again?

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:02 am
by Gavial
hollowkatt wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:14 am
falcon45ca wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:25 am
hollowkatt wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:16 am ok thanks. I can see how he gets to "one of falcon, seanzie, samusamu is a wolf". Seems like that's a fairly reasonable stance to take. Not thrilled with his "don't want to hit wrong" take tho, it's still early.
His second post you quote is meh to me. Can grok why you don't like it.
Third post is a throw-away in my book.

I guess I get what concerns you, so thanks, I appreciate it.
Yeah, but here's the thing...he's called out D1 voting and early play already as not being something to build legit reads on, right?


So why is he taking these early interactions so seriously himself and framing it "1 of these 3 is Maf"? Seems contradictory to his earlier stance, no?


His "don't wanna hit wrong" is total bullshit, that is not a townie mindset at all.


Pffft, real town obviously never wanna hit wrong, but its D1! Nobody is close to getting hit yet, and even if we were...its D1, hitting wrong happens.


He def seems a flame fanner fo sho.
fuck it I'm in [VOTE: Gavial] aubergine
I don’t know if you noticed but like Samu/Falcon Collapses onto me.
From my last game with Falcon this doesn’t feel like town him at all.
I never called out voting, that was Falcon.
I called out Samu’s post regarding Falcon’s first post.
The reason I said at least 1 of 3 is Mafia is because I think it being a purely Townie interaction is very very unlikely.
Do you want to hit wrong? If a townies mindset is to not care then they aren’t real good townies tbh.
It may be Day 1 but I’d like to have a Day 1 Scum Yeet over an ML.
I Def seem like one for sho? What you sho for Samu?

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:03 am
by Gavial
Sorry, I’m using your post to respond to Falcon.

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:05 am
by Gavial
Hollow my top TR unless you count my Mech one on Esooa.
Also, funny things is. The people that are pushing me aren’t even bothering to vote me but my Top Town is convinced by them and votes me.
Lol ok.

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:06 am
by Gavial
Long Con wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:56 am
Gavial wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:53 am I think I’m like half asleep cause I don’t even understand what I just wrote but basically,
W/W - Major Interactions
Not W/W - Uncaring Basic Interactions

This is usually how it works.
How what works again?
Scum theatre and Non Scum Theatre in an FM Game.

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:07 am
by Gavial
Wait no more like Scum Convo, not entirely theatre but I guess it depends what you consider Scum Theatre to be.

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:14 am
by Long Con
But major interactions happen all the time when it's not two scum performing theatre.

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:21 am
by Marmot
Maybe it's a culture thing? I generally expect wolves to have very basic interactions with each other, not major disagreements

Re: Beelzebub The Benign

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:10 am
by Gavial
Long Con wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:14 am But major interactions happen all the time when it's not two scum performing theatre.
They also happen to be TvT most of the time.