The Syndicate

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:23 pm do you have reads of nanook or radish mac?

I am townreading them both but not overwhelmingly. I think if one is mafia the other one is also mafia.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:44 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:37 pm Idk doods. My gut says this is different from the civ tutuu I saw last game...

how so

There's less whimsy.

More motive imo... Just having trouble determining direction.

Like... I'd describe towm tutuu like a electric fairy tyoe pokemon...

This tutuu is fire fairy.

So this whole interaction Tutuu has with JPIC, Nutella, and SPF really rubs me the wrong way.

Why is JPIC suddenly not mafia and suddenly town? He wasn't ever in trouble of getting lynched either as far as i can tell. then we have the transition of them trying to make Tim a counter wagon????
1. I dont think that wouldve ever happened.
2. Why suddenly do we need a counter wagon?

There has to be something alignment indicative within these posts. The way I see it is:

-JPIC is Town and trying to be pocketed by Tutuu for whatever reason
-SPF is Town or Mafia and just happens to be the target for that switch
-Nutella is Mafia with Tutuu and she does a halfhearted Counterwagon but doesnt want to try and get all of the people off of the huge wagon now formed. If it failed it would of course look bad. So she resign to "you should totally legacy read, sucks to be you"
-Nutella is Town and Tutuu is Mafia. Tutuu of course knows this and is trying to buy credit with the counter wagon attempt. "Aw man, I knew she was town" type of situation.

I dont think the last one is likely but I won't discount it.

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:49 pm Has anyone noticed that Tim's reads are garbage surface level nothingburger and he's done nothing to promote them?

wasn't it tim yelling at ted earlier and promoting that read or am i misremembering?

I'm definitely game to run up Ted, but I haven't been pushing anything.

I have a history of bitching about people making and demanding useless day one reads, and I thought I'd try something different so went on this reading ISOs campaign. Truth is I was right all along, day one is full of nonsense that can't really be made meaningful in the context of zero facts. All the reading ISOs has really done is made me sleep a lot.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 pm Shit, I could get behind a Tutuu or MR vote just based on the last few posts.

Without actually explaining why this fart noises

Because of the lazy lines I pointed out earlier. Now, I don't think they are W/W BUT it's really easy for W to take the lazy line and fly with it when accepted.

Love accusing people of lazy lines then being lazy oneself.

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The lazy line here is "Nutella's getting chopped,, probably wolf but could be town I guess, <shrug>" and that, in broad strokes, is the line everyone is taking.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:05 pm The lazy line here is "Nutella's getting chopped,, probably wolf but could be town I guess, <shrug>" and that, in broad strokes, is the line everyone is taking.

That's cool but I've not seen anyone offer up any strong arguments for other wagons. Not even Nutella herself has pushed her cases very hard.

At the end of the day it's a day 1 chop. It's not going to dictate the result of the game all that much either way. This is a game with a lot of roles so the night movements are going to be a massive factor.

Incorrect tim, D1 is for killing mafia









Possibly not this D1 but in general

What has Hally done besides meme and catchup? Is there any actual reason to townread her that I’m missing?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:10 pm What has Hally done besides meme and catchup? Is there any actual reason to townread her that I’m missing?

they aren't overly confident on their reads and trying to thread lead more. probably just town

they tend to really push their reads more as a wolf.

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:12 pm they tend to really push their reads more as a wolf.

What game did you play with Hally as a wolf again?

g8

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 pm Shit, I could get behind a Tutuu or MR vote just based on the last few posts.

Without actually explaining why this fart noises

Because of the lazy lines I pointed out earlier. Now, I don't think they are W/W BUT it's really easy for W to take the lazy line and fly with it when accepted.

Love accusing people of lazy lines then being lazy oneself.

Alrighty dad. You call me trying to convince people that something isn't right with Tutuu lazy again and I'm giving up on sheeping Nanook.

I'm qyite literally talking to a player base of brick walls.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:08 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:05 pm The lazy line here is "Nutella's getting chopped,, probably wolf but could be town I guess, <shrug>" and that, in broad strokes, is the line everyone is taking.

That's cool but I've not seen anyone offer up any strong arguments for other wagons. Not even Nutella herself has pushed her cases very hard.

At the end of the day it's a day 1 chop. It's not going to dictate the result of the game all that much either way. This is a game with a lot of roles so the night movements are going to be a massive factor.

I agree. Just pointing out that the various "lazy line" accusations are kinda silly in the gamestate. It's a runaway wagon day. Looking back on it there are going to be people who were on board just because getting off wouldn't matter, and people who were off wagon just because getting on wouldn't matter.

If Nutella flips wolf there are gonna be people who want town cred just for piling on a runaway wagon. If Nutella doesn't flip wolf there will be people who want town cred for just throwing their vote away on a vanity wagon. Watch for them.

Tim being Sus and talking about nutella chop as lazy males me feel better about it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:09 pm Incorrect tim, D1 is for killing mafia









Possibly not this D1 but in general

Where did I say that it wasn't?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 pm Shit, I could get behind a Tutuu or MR vote just based on the last few posts.

Without actually explaining why this fart noises

Because of the lazy lines I pointed out earlier. Now, I don't think they are W/W BUT it's really easy for W to take the lazy line and fly with it when accepted.

Love accusing people of lazy lines then being lazy oneself.

Alrighty dad. You call me trying to convince people that something isn't right with Tutuu lazy again and I'm giving up on sheeping Nanook.

I'm qyite literally talking to a player base of brick walls.

Sorry that you feel that way dude.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:19 pm Tim being Sus and talking about nutella chop as lazy males me feel better about it.

Why is that?

idk why but I can barely keep my eyes open today

Okayb I am actually gonna sleep for another half an hour please.

sprityo do you genuinely believe you have the clout to convince people to exe tutuu despite half the game townshielding her or is this case entirely performative? Like you can see that there's 90 minutes to EoD and there's 10 votes on nutella right?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:42 pm sprityo do you genuinely believe you have the clout to convince people to exe tutuu despite half the game townshielding her or is this case entirely performative? Like you can see that there's 90 minutes to EoD and there's 10 votes on nutella right?

so is there any point to doing anything? i don't think anyone on her wagon is interested in moving

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:47 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:42 pm sprityo do you genuinely believe you have the clout to convince people to exe tutuu despite half the game townshielding her or is this case entirely performative? Like you can see that there's 90 minutes to EoD and there's 10 votes on nutella right?

so is there any point to doing anything? i don't think anyone on her wagon is interested in moving

I guess my general point is that this entire push seems excessively performative and when you get down to it, it's just hiding on a vanity wagon tbh

there's no real counter though. and we don't really need all votes on nutella?

as the mafia, i,

Alright my head is spinning from tiredness so I'm going to lay down soonish. I feel like the thread is stagnating right now like dyachei points out and nothing really matters so I don't feel compelled to torture myself by staying up for an extra hour to be honest.

This is why nutella is scum, they never challemged any of the votes against them. Always going for people not on their wagon.

At 1 vote is where you start challenging but they let it get all the way up to 11 votes. As town surely you would do something about the people voting for you, 3 votes, 5 votes, 8 votes, 10 votes. It's not a runaway wagon at all, it's an unchallenged one

You there. Why are you voting for me? I demand an answer good sir

i do think nutella is being bussed if she flips wolf

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:47 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:42 pm sprityo do you genuinely believe you have the clout to convince people to exe tutuu despite half the game townshielding her or is this case entirely performative? Like you can see that there's 90 minutes to EoD and there's 10 votes on nutella right?

so is there any point to doing anything? i don't think anyone on her wagon is interested in moving

I think the question is...

If there isn't any point, why is Sprit making this effort?

Like, if Ted turned up and really started banging the drum to make me a counterwagon I could make some sense of that. Maybe Ted really believes he has the clout, and maybe he really believes there is enough undercurrents of distrust about me that something could happen.

But Sprit banging on about Tutuu is really just banging on to bang on. If Sloonei host posted right now "players are not allowed to vote Nutella, do something else" Sprit still wouldn't have a shot in heck of getting Tutuu chopped, and I think that's so obvious that he has to know it.

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:06 pm i do think nutella is being bussed if she flips wolf

by who?

ColinIsCool, Justplayingitcool, Long Con, staypositivefriend

this is my not being villa-read pool

kind of wondering about colin or you mostly.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:08 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:06 pm i do think nutella is being bussed if she flips wolf

by who?

I'm gonna guess by wolves with Hellbusser clauses in their roles, which is imo a serious concern.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:11 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:08 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:06 pm i do think nutella is being bussed if she flips wolf

by who?

I'm gonna guess by wolves with Hellbusser clauses in their roles, which is imo a serious concern.

Hellbusser clauses???

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:12 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:11 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:08 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:06 pm i do think nutella is being bussed if she flips wolf

by who?

I'm gonna guess by wolves with Hellbusser clauses in their roles, which is imo a serious concern.

Hellbusser clauses???

Forced busses. For instance a Hellbusser scum vig would be a scum vig that's forced to shoot their own teammates. Hellbussing is technically a downside, but it sometimes makes it very difficult to solve the game because it compels scum to do things that's outside of their scum range (and therefore makes them hard to catch).

As a simple example, I think we can all agree that it's unlikely for a player like juliets or tutuu to just brutally murder their own teammates in cold blood as a wolf. If they were Hellbussing Gladiators or Vigilantes (two hellbussing roles I've seen recently), then they would publicly claim those roles, murder their teammate, and then get fake cleared because nobody is going to suspect juliets/tutuu of blasting their team away on purpose.

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:12 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:11 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:08 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:06 pm i do think nutella is being bussed if she flips wolf

by who?

I'm gonna guess by wolves with Hellbusser clauses in their roles, which is imo a serious concern.

Hellbusser clauses???

I've played two games here. In both cases there were wolf roles that unlocked additional powers by participating in killing a fellow wolf. Basically they incentivized an organized planned buss strat; willing wolf who plays to be bussed making connections with townies, wolves who know that they will lose that partner early so come out the gate distancing, the whole bussing trickbag.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:02 pm This is why nutella is scum, they never challemged any of the votes against them. Always going for people not on their wagon.

At 1 vote is where you start challenging but they let it get all the way up to 11 votes. As town surely you would do something about the people voting for you, 3 votes, 5 votes, 8 votes, 10 votes. It's not a runaway wagon at all, it's an unchallenged one

bro i was asleep when most of the votes appeared on me

I think there were like 4 when i went to bed so i was like kinda concerned but def didn't seem like a runaway until i woke up

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:06 pm i do think nutella is being bussed if she flips wolf

Why do you think so? I think she has been the possibility from a long time, she can easily get bussed?

I thought about it for a bit and I sort of think if nutella is a wolf here her teammates are just going to do whatever the hell they want. Nobody's getting cred for bussing her because literally half the game is voting her (11/22 players), and nobody's really catching flak for being off the nutella wagon since they can always shrug and say "hey, nutella was obviously fated to die, I just wanted to push my pet scumread".

So nutella's teammates are probably just going to take the stance on nutella that's the most natural/logical progression for them to have given their "reads" so far and just go with the flow. I don't think they can do anything to change the outcome either since nutella didn't really defend herself and I suspect there's a massive weight of townies on the nutella wagon both from reads and from the sheer number of people piling onto her.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:17 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:12 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:11 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:08 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:06 pm i do think nutella is being bussed if she flips wolf

by who?

I'm gonna guess by wolves with Hellbusser clauses in their roles, which is imo a serious concern.

Hellbusser clauses???

I've played two games here. In both cases there were wolf roles that unlocked additional powers by participating in killing a fellow wolf. Basically they incentivized an organized planned buss strat; willing wolf who plays to be bussed making connections with townies, wolves who know that they will lose that partner early so come out the gate distancing, the whole bussing trickbag.

i really doubt sloonei has anything like that in this setup

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:17 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:02 pm This is why nutella is scum, they never challemged any of the votes against them. Always going for people not on their wagon.

At 1 vote is where you start challenging but they let it get all the way up to 11 votes. As town surely you would do something about the people voting for you, 3 votes, 5 votes, 8 votes, 10 votes. It's not a runaway wagon at all, it's an unchallenged one

bro i was asleep when most of the votes appeared on me

I think there were like 4 when i went to bed so i was like kinda concerned but def didn't seem like a runaway until i woke up

But have you defended yourself enough when you are back

like the two games you reference were waaaayyyy more unconventional/bordering on bastard than most syndicate games, and sloonei's clause about that makes me think there's nothing that...extreme here

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:19 pm I thought about it for a bit and I sort of think if nutella is a wolf here her teammates are just going to do whatever the hell they want. Nobody's getting cred for bussing her because literally half the game is voting her (11/22 players), and nobody's really catching flak for being off the nutella wagon since they can always shrug and say "hey, nutella was obviously fated to die, I just wanted to push my pet scumread".

So nutella's teammates are probably just going to take the stance on nutella that's the most natural/logical progression for them to have given their "reads" so far and just go with the flow. I don't think they can do anything to change the outcome either since nutella didn't really defend herself and I suspect there's a massive weight of townies on the nutella wagon both from reads and from the sheer number of people piling onto her.

Yea I agree with this. Mind meld

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:20 pm like the two games you reference were waaaayyyy more unconventional/bordering on bastard than most syndicate games, and sloonei's clause about that makes me think there's nothing that...extreme here

In the main I believe it would be out of character for Sloonei, yes,

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:19 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:06 pm i do think nutella is being bussed if she flips wolf

Why do you think so? I think she has been the possibility from a long time, she can easily get bussed?

Sorrryyy my bad I read Do not.
I'm very much sleepy.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:08 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:06 pm i do think nutella is being bussed if she flips wolf

by who?

I think that's what we need to know by playing?

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:20 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:17 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:02 pm This is why nutella is scum, they never challemged any of the votes against them. Always going for people not on their wagon.

At 1 vote is where you start challenging but they let it get all the way up to 11 votes. As town surely you would do something about the people voting for you, 3 votes, 5 votes, 8 votes, 10 votes. It's not a runaway wagon at all, it's an unchallenged one

bro i was asleep when most of the votes appeared on me

I think there were like 4 when i went to bed so i was like kinda concerned but def didn't seem like a runaway until i woke up

But have you defended yourself enough when you are back

apparently not. i've tried, and i've done my best to play the game and provide my thoughts. I'm just town here doing my thing but at this point it looks like most people aren't getting there on me. at least yall can look into my reads upon my flip