The Syndicate

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:04 am has everyone claimed? should we claim?

Sure, may as well.

Honey & Vinegar wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:01 am imagine designing a themed game and not designing roles based on the characters

My solution is usually to make the connections make sense but be so abstract or arbitrary that it's hard to flavor-angleshoot based off them. Like, you run a Star Wars mafia, and you make Obi Wan a ninja because he has lots of experience with infiltration from the Clone Wars. It sort of makes sense but nobody's ever going to look at an Obi Wan flavor and immediately think "ninja!".

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:02 am

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:01 am I'm talking myself into H&V town now which would make FK scum equity skyrocket.

[VOTE: FalconKnows] aubergine

We can easily clear H&V and semi-clear Mana off a red flip from this which would be pretty huge.

What happens when we flip green?

I'd probably vote Mana then.

Speaking of. What is your read on Mana?

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:06 am

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:02 am

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:01 am I'm talking myself into H&V town now which would make FK scum equity skyrocket.

[VOTE: FalconKnows] aubergine

We can easily clear H&V and semi-clear Mana off a red flip from this which would be pretty huge.

What happens when we flip green?

I'd probably vote Mana then.

Speaking of. What is your read on Mana?

I have no strong feelings towards mana. She had a read on us which felt forced in early game but I can think of reasons why scum and town would have made a read like the one they did.

Ngl think the FK/Mana unalign is weak

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:04 am And i think a scum loverizer would attach themselves to a strong town player that they might not immediately nk. So if they get yeeted they take someone else down with them

This makes sense if they are about to get exed. A scum loverizer who was in a good position in the thread would probably look for a middling town player to strike a balance between pocket and KP.

Another school of thought is to just leave that slot alone and let the claim self-resolve. If H&V are town then mafia will shoot them for free KP, in which case we should let the mafia flip them for us rather than waste our exe on that slot. If H&V are scum then Timsup2gettinserious is essentially perma-docced which is beneficial in its own way.

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:07 am Ngl think the FK/Mana unalign is weak

what does this even mean?

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:07 am Ngl think the FK/Mana unalign is weak

That's why I said semi-clear and not full clear.

But Mana was taking heat and immediately tried to force a wagon on FK which more likely to not be on a teammate.

Regardless we'll take it one flip at a time. I do think H&V looks really good off an FK scum flip, since it makes that push on them for "TMI" look like scum fishing for an easy misexe.

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:10 am

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:07 am Ngl think the FK/Mana unalign is weak

That's why I said semi-clear and not full clear.

But Mana was taking heat and immediately tried to force a wagon on FK which more likely to not be on a teammate.

Regardless we'll take it one flip at a time. I do think H&V looks really good off an FK scum flip, since it makes that push on them for "TMI" look like scum fishing for an easy misexe.

So your take on us being scum is based on the assumption HV is town & we're going for an easy misexe via TMI claim?


How is it an easy mischop if BKs TMI read isn't widely shared? (Hint, it's not)

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:13 am

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:10 am

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:07 am Ngl think the FK/Mana unalign is weak

That's why I said semi-clear and not full clear.

But Mana was taking heat and immediately tried to force a wagon on FK which more likely to not be on a teammate.

Regardless we'll take it one flip at a time. I do think H&V looks really good off an FK scum flip, since it makes that push on them for "TMI" look like scum fishing for an easy misexe.

So your take on us being scum is based on the assumption HV is town & we're going for an easy misexe via TMI claim?


How is it an easy mischop if BKs TMI read isn't widely shared? (Hint, it's not)

No I'm saying if you flip scum H&V is probably town.

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:08 am

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:04 am And i think a scum loverizer would attach themselves to a strong town player that they might not immediately nk. So if they get yeeted they take someone else down with them

This makes sense if they are about to get exed. A scum loverizer who was in a good position in the thread would probably look for a middling town player to strike a balance between pocket and KP.

Another school of thought is to just leave that slot alone and let the claim self-resolve. If H&V are town then mafia will shoot them for free KP, in which case we should let the mafia flip them for us rather than waste our exe on that slot. If H&V are scum then Timsup2gettinserious is essentially perma-docced which is beneficial in its own way.

Yeah so i think if they were in a good position then maybe they would holster if it was x-shot.

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:14 am

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:13 am

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:10 am

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:07 am Ngl think the FK/Mana unalign is weak

That's why I said semi-clear and not full clear.

But Mana was taking heat and immediately tried to force a wagon on FK which more likely to not be on a teammate.

Regardless we'll take it one flip at a time. I do think H&V looks really good off an FK scum flip, since it makes that push on them for "TMI" look like scum fishing for an easy misexe.

So your take on us being scum is based on the assumption HV is town & we're going for an easy misexe via TMI claim?


How is it an easy mischop if BKs TMI read isn't widely shared? (Hint, it's not)

No I'm saying if you flip scum H&V is probably town.

So what's your scum read on us based off? Perhaps I missed something, but it did read as tho you're basing it off a TR of HV & BK's push on that slot

caught up, fuck postcaps

agree w my partner here

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:01 am I'm talking myself into H&V town now which would make FK scum equity skyrocket.

[VOTE: FalconKnows] aubergine

We can easily clear H&V and semi-clear Mana off a red flip from this which would be pretty huge.

I still feel worse about mana than falcon in a vacuum but falcon hasnt really done anything towny and this makes sense

Literally being scum read based off a TR of HV and being told "no, that's not why".



Yes it is, and it's silly. Ridiculous even.

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:22 pm Literally being scum read based off a TR of HV and being told "no, that's not why".



Yes it is, and it's silly. Ridiculous even.

You're being scum read for the slightly opportunistic vote and your reasoning behind it. It's not that ridiculous.

Why was FK originally town read again? I had a quick skim of his ISO and I don't really see where that actually came from lol, like I remember liking one post of FK but I don't think the below holds much water as it once did.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 3:14 am

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:26 pm

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:24 pm if you're gonna sign of ur posts please don't do code names. keeping up on who's who is already confusing enough.

First townie found

Agreed

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:32 pm

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:22 pm Literally being scum read based off a TR of HV and being told "no, that's not why".



Yes it is, and it's silly. Ridiculous even.

You're being scum read for the slightly opportunistic vote and your reasoning behind it. It's not that ridiculous.

It is. You're assuming HK is town. That's ridiculous.


BK read a post as having TMI. You don't have to agree with his reasoning, but to call it opportunistic when he made a legit read is disingenuous.

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 9:52 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 9:50 am

This is not a bastard game. The host will not lie to you. Characters/Roles/Players were put through a randomizer 3 times to come out with the results. Please stop messaging me about this. I thank you.

Unless....
Is Vanalizer considered a bastard role?

cool derp clear attempt

did esooa seriously post 0 times god dammit esooa i dont want to play another solo hydra game

anyway i rolecopped H&V as a JOAT or something

"forced to use it N1" honestly sounds fake but whatever

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:52 pm did esooa seriously post 0 times god dammit esooa i dont want to play another solo hydra game

anyway i rolecopped H&V as a JOAT or something

"forced to use it N1" honestly sounds fake but whatever

cool lie

also H&V wasn't forced to use it

my availability will be spotty for several hours and esooa is hopelessly addicted to minecraft

we're doomed

Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:54 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:52 pm did esooa seriously post 0 times god dammit esooa i dont want to play another solo hydra game

anyway i rolecopped H&V as a JOAT or something

"forced to use it N1" honestly sounds fake but whatever

cool lie

also H&V wasn't forced to use it

whoa did katze just fake a cop check

they said if thye didnt use it N1 they wouldnt be able to use it ever

same shit

im betting exactly one on it being a scum joat is all

I don't agree with your TMI read on HV, and the timing of that push (right when people are questioning HV about their night action) seems opportunistic. Given how townread you were early I was expecting to see more solving and comfort, but you seem to be content coasting by D2, which concerns me.

And yes, my initial townread was the purity of Bo saying he was annoyed that he couldn't tell which hydra head was posting because I think town is a lot more likely to care about that than scum. That read fades over time if he gets scummier later on though.

H&V is confirmed loverizer, where are you getting JOAT from?

do you know what a joat is

call it a tinfoil, i call it a stroke of genius

my massive brain is setup speculating at least one wolf being a joat

tempted to go full seth-mode and accuse you of being the wolf joat for voting me but i'd rather eat lunch and not commit war crimes, so

wolfy popout

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:46 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:32 pm

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:22 pm Literally being scum read based off a TR of HV and being told "no, that's not why".



Yes it is, and it's silly. Ridiculous even.

You're being scum read for the slightly opportunistic vote and your reasoning behind it. It's not that ridiculous.

It is. You're assuming HK is town. That's ridiculous.


BK read a post as having TMI. You don't have to agree with his reasoning, but to call it opportunistic when he made a legit read is disingenuous.

The timing of it just stank

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:55 pm
they said if thye didnt use it N1 they wouldnt be able to use it ever

same shit

maybe if you think there's any town utility in the role

which i don't, after thinking on it overnight

there's a reason why the wiki describes it as anti-town

if you are town and you randed a strictly anti-town ability, and it goes away if you don't use it, that doesn't mean "forced to use it," that means you just randed vanilla town

is this how katze lolcats

The fuck are you doing katze

Anyone who thinks tihs is sus from katze and didn't have any issues with the rest of katze's play is bullshitting.

ftr katze was incredibly wolfy in CoV. Thankfully for us they were mech cleared.

katze: has a theory that makes sense in their head
everybody: whoa are you LOLCATTING what are YOU DOING

??????

if i was lolcatting (which, frankly, i do as either alignment and basically never actually give up) then i'd be posting cats of the non-emoji variety, probably specifically of the lolcat variety because i'm one of taste

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:07 pm Anyone who thinks tihs is sus from katze and didn't have any issues with the rest of katze's play is bullshitting.

preach this

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:10 pm ftr katze was incredibly wolfy in CoV. Thankfully for us they were mech cleared.

i was?

pretty sure half the people calling me wolfy were wolves and the other half just kinda considered me low priority and/or left me to chloe to read while i just vibed in thread since i wasn't really able to put 100% into that game

in fact i was voted by exactly three villagers that game, one being myself, one being on D1, and the other being marmot to mess around; every other vote on me was nontown and i never reached above 2 votes

lol

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:19 pm in fact i was voted by exactly three villagers that game, one being myself, one being on D1, and the other being marmot to mess around; every other vote on me was nontown and i never reached above 2 votes

correction: four, i missed you

this is purely out of spite:

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:03 pm

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:46 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:32 pm

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:22 pm Literally being scum read based off a TR of HV and being told "no, that's not why".



Yes it is, and it's silly. Ridiculous even.

You're being scum read for the slightly opportunistic vote and your reasoning behind it. It's not that ridiculous.

It is. You're assuming HK is town. That's ridiculous.


BK read a post as having TMI. You don't have to agree with his reasoning, but to call it opportunistic when he made a legit read is disingenuous.

The timing of it just stank

Wait, the timing of the read? He made the read shortly after the post was made, should he have waited?


Player's make reads when they read a post typically. I don't see how that's a factor whatsoever

[VOTE: mana] aubergine

truth be told, i think their claim (and how they presented it) is very likely to be bullshit

Mana wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 2:43 am

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:15 am I am at the point where I just wanna sleepwalk flip mana

@Mana claim lol

I haven't caught up but we were a one-shot watcher and our watching failed last night (im assuming due to the redirect thing?)

so, one shot watcher

you target your top town/the most likely NK

your action fails

you assume... redirection? why do you assume i'm even real? why do you assume nutella/alison is my X, and not someone else? i''ve made it clear i'm not saying who X is unless it's directly relevant or i'm about to die.

i honestly think a town roleblocker is more likely to target me, the actual CW (to be fair, Mana probably had a worse EoD, it's possible i'm wrong here), and i think mafia are more likely to roleblock the vig claim and kill elsewhere rather than kill the vig claim and roleblock elsewhere. maybe they killed/rbed. either way, vigs almost always shoot N1, you see a vig claim, you probably block that.

either way. i've never seen a situation where, if a watcher were forced to watch themselves, they'd fail solely for that.

so i see this claim and think that they're just trying to guess who i targeted, "confirm my action", and then bring me down with them when they flip

i, however, say no to that

If Mana's action failed, why would they think a redirect would be responsible for that? Isn't the point of a redirect that the action doesn't fail?

Wait disregard that completely

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:03 pm

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:46 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:32 pm

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:22 pm Literally being scum read based off a TR of HV and being told "no, that's not why".



Yes it is, and it's silly. Ridiculous even.

You're being scum read for the slightly opportunistic vote and your reasoning behind it. It's not that ridiculous.

It is. You're assuming HK is town. That's ridiculous.


BK read a post as having TMI. You don't have to agree with his reasoning, but to call it opportunistic when he made a legit read is disingenuous.

The timing of it just stank

? I called it out over a day ago and no one noticed so when I bring it up again it's opportunistic...

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:45 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:03 pm

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:46 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:32 pm

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:22 pm Literally being scum read based off a TR of HV and being told "no, that's not why".



Yes it is, and it's silly. Ridiculous even.

You're being scum read for the slightly opportunistic vote and your reasoning behind it. It's not that ridiculous.

It is. You're assuming HK is town. That's ridiculous.


BK read a post as having TMI. You don't have to agree with his reasoning, but to call it opportunistic when he made a legit read is disingenuous.

The timing of it just stank

? I called it out over a day ago and no one noticed so when I bring it up again it's opportunistic...

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:21 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:03 pm

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:46 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:32 pm

FalconKnows wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:22 pm Literally being scum read based off a TR of HV and being told "no, that's not why".



Yes it is, and it's silly. Ridiculous even.

You're being scum read for the slightly opportunistic vote and your reasoning behind it. It's not that ridiculous.

It is. You're assuming HK is town. That's ridiculous.


BK read a post as having TMI. You don't have to agree with his reasoning, but to call it opportunistic when he made a legit read is disingenuous.

The timing of it just stank

Wait, the timing of the read? He made the read shortly after the post was made, should he have waited?


Player's make reads when they read a post typically. I don't see how that's a factor whatsoever

As has already been said countless times before, the timing of it when H&V was getting pushed & when he was questioned on his choice of lovered up action didn't sit right with me.

I'm reasonably sure there's at least one mafia in poop tr and bt


But they all seem independently townie to me


Help

I also think from claim that mana is probably town, I dont want to get into why

Julinook wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:48 pm I'm reasonably sure there's at least one mafia in poop tr and bt


But they all seem independently townie to me


Help

I town read in this order poop > tr > bt

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:50 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:48 pm I'm reasonably sure there's at least one mafia in poop tr and bt


But they all seem independently townie to me


Help

I town read in this order poop > tr > bt

If I ordered it would probably be poop bt tr but

Ask me again in a few hours and that's probably reversed lol

Tr > poop > bt

Julinook wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:49 pm I also think from claim that mana is probably town, I dont want to get into why

how sheepable is this read

given i think the opposite

also i still think TR is a villager and have liked poop a decent bit more today so shrugze

could be v/v/v

Watcher is a pretty pro-town role. Unfortunate that it ‘failed’ or whatever, but don’t think a mafia would lie about that it failed in that position

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:54 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 1:49 pm I also think from claim that mana is probably town, I dont want to get into why

how sheepable is this read

given i think the opposite

also i still think TR is a villager and have liked poop a decent bit more today so shrugze

could be v/v/v

Without knowing their target or yours i wouldn't push it


I'm very skeptical they're all three town. Its...not impossible, bit given what I'm aware of setup wise, i don't find it likely.

Poop is obvious mafia