Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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TSP has a town slanking meta or similar apparently (although nobody seems to be agreeing on the exact details lol).
Sounds like good reasons.Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:16 amif you called me lock town and told everyone to sheep you I'd be so madWiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:15 amI want to do this to spite you now.Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:13 amyeah I know I wanted to bait you into outing by writing a paragraph confidently calling me townWiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:11 amI already explained lol.Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:06 amfor whatEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:03 am I'm gonna say that I think with an asterisk that Esooa is town.
for whatWiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:03 amYou're right lol.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:03 am I'm gonna say that I think with an asterisk that Esooa is town.
definitely don't do that
this feels meh
incredibly villagery wiml postWiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:24 amI still think you're more likely than not a wolf and I don't agree with the reasons defending you thar Esooa brought up tbh but I'm also not ready to give up trying to find you if you're town. I think that you're consistently making very wolfy / self aware posts and that the vast majority of your reads have been very surface level in a way that makes it feel like you're not actively trying to solve.
I'm mostly conflicted because in the nicest way possible it feels like you're not even trying to hide that there's no real though process behind your reads. I'm conscious that if I'm misreading you then it's probably because of clashing playstyles / different ways of solving and that's why I really want you to explain some more of your reads to me please.
in addition to him re-evaluating bradTranscend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:50 amit's hard to say because i feel there's a mix of town that are just bothered by the way i've handled things and scum being opportunistic and latching on to a free mischop option
so some of them are valid, i just couldn't tell you who is valid rn or not.
i'm page 11 of 43 so i'll try and figure this out once i'm done
because most his reads in his town game were reasonably surface level (not that it's bad though)
Thanks, could you explain to me what you thought was towny about that please? I just saw it as a non-answer tbh.alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:36 am @Wiml the post you found villagery from transcend I disagree with, but there were a couple posts of him engaging with Esooa that had some nuanced thoughts I liked.
in addition to him re-evaluating bradTranscend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:50 amit's hard to say because i feel there's a mix of town that are just bothered by the way i've handled things and scum being opportunistic and latching on to a free mischop option
so some of them are valid, i just couldn't tell you who is valid rn or not.
i'm page 11 of 43 so i'll try and figure this out once i'm done
but meh besides that i don't see much to call him village on
hold on i'm going to do a thing
ftr i don't think transcend can be meta read in this way, especially off of the sample size you're looking at. i have fallen into the trap where i've townread him incorrectly multiple times for not being as wolfy as his last game.Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:39 ambecause most his reads in his town game were reasonably surface level (not that it's bad though)
meaning it's less relevant he is here
in his wolf game his posts are kinda, disjunct, like in the town game he kinda posts and it seems way less uncomfortable when compared to the way he approaches a lot of stuff as a wolf (also especially votes on him)
rereading his ISO this game I think his progression on LC makes sense, calling the LC post where he says he has no reads wolfy is good for example, and his posts in general containing short reads is again good actually when compared to his over explanation/self awareness as a wolf
Thanks. I'll come back to you on this in a moment.Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:39 ambecause most his reads in his town game were reasonably surface level (not that it's bad though)
meaning it's less relevant he is here
in his wolf game his posts are kinda, disjunct, like in the town game he kinda posts and it seems way less uncomfortable when compared to the way he approaches a lot of stuff as a wolf (also especially votes on him)
rereading his ISO this game I think his progression on LC makes sense, calling the LC post where he says he has no reads wolfy is good for example, and his posts in general containing short reads is again good actually when compared to his over explanation/self awareness as a wolf
the way he's trying to critically analyze his voters and figure out which ones are in good faith i guess? i pulled up that quote but it was to signify a strong of themWiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:39 amThanks, could you explain to me what you thought was towny about that please? I just saw it as a non-answer tbh.alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:36 am @Wiml the post you found villagery from transcend I disagree with, but there were a couple posts of him engaging with Esooa that had some nuanced thoughts I liked.
in addition to him re-evaluating bradTranscend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:50 amit's hard to say because i feel there's a mix of town that are just bothered by the way i've handled things and scum being opportunistic and latching on to a free mischop option
so some of them are valid, i just couldn't tell you who is valid rn or not.
i'm page 11 of 43 so i'll try and figure this out once i'm done
but meh besides that i don't see much to call him village on
hold on i'm going to do a thing
Tbh his analysis of voters would've felt better if he actually did it instead of mentioning it abstractlyalexa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:42 amthe way he's trying to critically analyze his voters and figure out which ones are in good faith i guess? i pulled up that quote but it was to signify a strong of themWiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:39 amThanks, could you explain to me what you thought was towny about that please? I just saw it as a non-answer tbh.alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:36 am @Wiml the post you found villagery from transcend I disagree with, but there were a couple posts of him engaging with Esooa that had some nuanced thoughts I liked.
in addition to him re-evaluating bradTranscend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:50 amit's hard to say because i feel there's a mix of town that are just bothered by the way i've handled things and scum being opportunistic and latching on to a free mischop option
so some of them are valid, i just couldn't tell you who is valid rn or not.
i'm page 11 of 43 so i'll try and figure this out once i'm done
but meh besides that i don't see much to call him village on
hold on i'm going to do a thing
i thing he's over-doing the self-awareness a bit though/over-emphasizing how good or not good people are at reading him
these are posts I think are towny rereading his ISO
i don't think this applies as much in the world where LC is town because it seems like scum!him trying to build up suspicion on a villager by emphasizing that Alison had his same hesitations and prodding her to discuss them moreEsooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:47 amthese are posts I think are towny rereading his ISO
the reason I call his wolf game posts disjunct is things like this show up much less
this is kinda true for wolves in general fwiw which is why I'm fine with the small sample size
but he town read Alison and actually is considering her read here. Like it makes sense town him is curious about one of his TRs read. But it's not something people think about as much as a wolf
this post gave me a big scum read on transcend earlier cause I've seen him hard commit to bad reads as a wolf before but I'll explain why I think it's good nowTranscend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:16 pm anyways i don't rly tr lime and imma keep my vote here for the time being
i did entertain the thought of him possibly being tmi'd as town due to all the dissent for my vote
but he's still kinda scummy and he may just be in there deeper than ppl think
i also fos ender but i'm gonna try and not be a confbiased pos here just because i feel like i'm on to something
Ftr one of the reasons I think your town is because I think your meta case is actually pretty bad lol.
I don't think he's trying to critically analyse his voters at all tbh. It feels more like an acknowledgement than an analysis.alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:42 amthe way he's trying to critically analyze his voters and figure out which ones are in good faith i guess? i pulled up that quote but it was to signify a strong of themWiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:39 amThanks, could you explain to me what you thought was towny about that please? I just saw it as a non-answer tbh.alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:36 am @Wiml the post you found villagery from transcend I disagree with, but there were a couple posts of him engaging with Esooa that had some nuanced thoughts I liked.
in addition to him re-evaluating bradTranscend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:50 amit's hard to say because i feel there's a mix of town that are just bothered by the way i've handled things and scum being opportunistic and latching on to a free mischop option
so some of them are valid, i just couldn't tell you who is valid rn or not.
i'm page 11 of 43 so i'll try and figure this out once i'm done
but meh besides that i don't see much to call him village on
hold on i'm going to do a thing
i thing he's over-doing the self-awareness a bit though/over-emphasizing how good or not good people are at reading him
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:06 pmok this is kinda townyLime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:41 pmYes, and everyone that is townreading you that's not me has TMI.
I will then tunnel those individuals, and then complain about them once they flip town and take 0 blame.
Then proceed to lead town into an L.
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:23 pmwhile this is probably valid have u ever been tricked by wolf!alexa?Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:20 pmI've explained 1 thing about her meta, when she's going to certain people (Illario, Esooa to an extent this game) trying to get them to townread her it's typically in her town meta. She works extremely hard on getting townread early and then solves. People have called it LAMIST but that's just what she does.Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:15 pm due to my ridiculously high scum flip ratio idek if i've played as town with either ilario or alexa so this would be my first time sorting them in a forum setting lol
i've specced games w/ both of them as scum and they usually make it p deep if not endgame
She'll use her vote multiple times but it's gonna be hard to track with this site. She's been verbally saying her votes though so basically treat it like EM forum games.
There's a few other things. Like, I've found her as town quickly in numerous games. She's not a hard town to find.
i feel like her games would be v difficult to distinguish because she has extremely high wim as either align
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:25 pmdis post is yuckyLime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:24 pmBecause Illario does whatever he can to NOT townread me when he and I are town. Even when I'm obvious as fuck town through a WHOLE game, he'll keep me at null and refuse to move me.
This game he started off with a townread on me. That actually caught me off guard and pinged me.
like just read over thisTranscend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:28 pmthis was a rlly quick transition it almost feels unnaturalLime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:20 pmI've explained 1 thing about her meta, when she's going to certain people (Illario, Esooa to an extent this game) trying to get them to townread her it's typically in her town meta. She works extremely hard on getting townread early and then solves. People have called it LAMIST but that's just what she does.Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:15 pm due to my ridiculously high scum flip ratio idek if i've played as town with either ilario or alexa so this would be my first time sorting them in a forum setting lol
i've specced games w/ both of them as scum and they usually make it p deep if not endgame
She'll use her vote multiple times but it's gonna be hard to track with this site. She's been verbally saying her votes though so basically treat it like EM forum games.
There's a few other things. Like, I've found her as town quickly in numerous games. She's not a hard town to find.
I'm agreeing with the turtleWiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:55 amI don't think he's trying to critically analyse his voters at all tbh. It feels more like an acknowledgement than an analysis.alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:42 amthe way he's trying to critically analyze his voters and figure out which ones are in good faith i guess? i pulled up that quote but it was to signify a strong of themWiml wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:39 amThanks, could you explain to me what you thought was towny about that please? I just saw it as a non-answer tbh.alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:36 am @Wiml the post you found villagery from transcend I disagree with, but there were a couple posts of him engaging with Esooa that had some nuanced thoughts I liked.
in addition to him re-evaluating bradTranscend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:50 amit's hard to say because i feel there's a mix of town that are just bothered by the way i've handled things and scum being opportunistic and latching on to a free mischop option
so some of them are valid, i just couldn't tell you who is valid rn or not.
i'm page 11 of 43 so i'll try and figure this out once i'm done
but meh besides that i don't see much to call him village on
hold on i'm going to do a thing
i thing he's over-doing the self-awareness a bit though/over-emphasizing how good or not good people are at reading him
i'm kind of trying to make sure i don't leave any stone unturned
Esooa is town.Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:50 amthis post gave me a big scum read on transcend earlier cause I've seen him hard commit to bad reads as a wolf before but I'll explain why I think it's good nowTranscend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:16 pm anyways i don't rly tr lime and imma keep my vote here for the time being
i did entertain the thought of him possibly being tmi'd as town due to all the dissent for my vote
but he's still kinda scummy and he may just be in there deeper than ppl think
i also fos ender but i'm gonna try and not be a confbiased pos here just because i feel like i'm on to something
i don't find any of this townyEsooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:56 amTranscend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:06 pmok this is kinda townyLime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:41 pmYes, and everyone that is townreading you that's not me has TMI.
I will then tunnel those individuals, and then complain about them once they flip town and take 0 blame.
Then proceed to lead town into an L.Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:23 pmwhile this is probably valid have u ever been tricked by wolf!alexa?Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:20 pmI've explained 1 thing about her meta, when she's going to certain people (Illario, Esooa to an extent this game) trying to get them to townread her it's typically in her town meta. She works extremely hard on getting townread early and then solves. People have called it LAMIST but that's just what she does.Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:15 pm due to my ridiculously high scum flip ratio idek if i've played as town with either ilario or alexa so this would be my first time sorting them in a forum setting lol
i've specced games w/ both of them as scum and they usually make it p deep if not endgame
She'll use her vote multiple times but it's gonna be hard to track with this site. She's been verbally saying her votes though so basically treat it like EM forum games.
There's a few other things. Like, I've found her as town quickly in numerous games. She's not a hard town to find.
i feel like her games would be v difficult to distinguish because she has extremely high wim as either alignTranscend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:25 pmdis post is yuckyLime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:24 pmBecause Illario does whatever he can to NOT townread me when he and I are town. Even when I'm obvious as fuck town through a WHOLE game, he'll keep me at null and refuse to move me.
This game he started off with a townread on me. That actually caught me off guard and pinged me.like just read over thisTranscend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:28 pmthis was a rlly quick transition it almost feels unnaturalLime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:20 pmI've explained 1 thing about her meta, when she's going to certain people (Illario, Esooa to an extent this game) trying to get them to townread her it's typically in her town meta. She works extremely hard on getting townread early and then solves. People have called it LAMIST but that's just what she does.Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:15 pm due to my ridiculously high scum flip ratio idek if i've played as town with either ilario or alexa so this would be my first time sorting them in a forum setting lol
i've specced games w/ both of them as scum and they usually make it p deep if not endgame
She'll use her vote multiple times but it's gonna be hard to track with this site. She's been verbally saying her votes though so basically treat it like EM forum games.
There's a few other things. Like, I've found her as town quickly in numerous games. She's not a hard town to find.
it's not bad it's towny
there's only one post relating to his LC read that I disagree with the read
I think LC is town but most the points here are valid
the process of having mixed reads on LC leaning wolf after catch-up>saying he doesn't know who to vote>exploring the wagon on his town read (illario) and disliking LCs play around it into voting him is good>actually going back to find posts to pull what he doesn't like feels like conviction/belief in the read I like
