Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 5]
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:08 am
"I don't care that these two things are different. Why won't you answer my question as though they were the same."
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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"I don't care that these two things are different. Why won't you answer my question as though they were the same."
Thank you for clarifying.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:15 am If you can't see the difference between me not worrying about taking heat from making literally zero effort from trying to get DF lynched and explaining exactly why I thought a counterwagon was a good idea while also flagging that I wasn't doing it because DF was my prime suspect (the primary factor was that Vivax was already voting there and two votes might actually entice a slip to save bea)
Versus casing you and making an empassioned case for your lynch...
I don't know what to tell you.
Starting a wagon and casing someone are two different things.
This is bullsuit.Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:41 amThank you for clarifying.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:15 am If you can't see the difference between me not worrying about taking heat from making literally zero effort from trying to get DF lynched and explaining exactly why I thought a counterwagon was a good idea while also flagging that I wasn't doing it because DF was my prime suspect (the primary factor was that Vivax was already voting there and two votes might actually entice a slip to save bea)
Versus casing you and making an empassioned case for your lynch...
I don't know what to tell you.
There is no difference.
Eloh looked like an unengaged scum on Day 1. I would have liked to let her live if I wasn't also in danger that day. That changed, and she looked good in the her LoRab content so I changed my read.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:25 am Second @Quin why did you vote Eloh? You apparently suspected her day one (although all that Scotty/Elo stuff felt manufactured even then to me), but you said you didn't want to vote her but watch her, then voted her anyway, then basically never mentioned her again until your vote on day 4.
No, you.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:42 amThis is bullsuit.Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:41 amThank you for clarifying.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:15 am If you can't see the difference between me not worrying about taking heat from making literally zero effort from trying to get DF lynched and explaining exactly why I thought a counterwagon was a good idea while also flagging that I wasn't doing it because DF was my prime suspect (the primary factor was that Vivax was already voting there and two votes might actually entice a slip to save bea)
Versus casing you and making an empassioned case for your lynch...
I don't know what to tell you.
There is no difference.
"I literally want you to explain properly"
"Jokes, no I don't, I just want to rest my case"Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:41 amThank you for clarifying.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:15 am If you can't see the difference between me not worrying about taking heat from making literally zero effort from trying to get DF lynched and explaining exactly why I thought a counterwagon was a good idea while also flagging that I wasn't doing it because DF was my prime suspect (the primary factor was that Vivax was already voting there and two votes might actually entice a slip to save bea)
Versus casing you and making an empassioned case for your lynch...
I don't know what to tell you.
There is no difference.
Have you - even for one instant - ever indicated suspicion that I'm mafia in this game.Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:46 amNo, you.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:42 amThis is bullsuit.Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:41 amThank you for clarifying.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:15 am If you can't see the difference between me not worrying about taking heat from making literally zero effort from trying to get DF lynched and explaining exactly why I thought a counterwagon was a good idea while also flagging that I wasn't doing it because DF was my prime suspect (the primary factor was that Vivax was already voting there and two votes might actually entice a slip to save bea)
Versus casing you and making an empassioned case for your lynch...
I don't know what to tell you.
There is no difference.
[VOTE: Golden] aubergine
Nope. Your vote is just that rotten.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:47 amHave you - even for one instant - ever indicated suspicion that I'm mafia in this game.Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:46 amNo, you.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:42 amThis is bullsuit.Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:41 amThank you for clarifying.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:15 am If you can't see the difference between me not worrying about taking heat from making literally zero effort from trying to get DF lynched and explaining exactly why I thought a counterwagon was a good idea while also flagging that I wasn't doing it because DF was my prime suspect (the primary factor was that Vivax was already voting there and two votes might actually entice a slip to save bea)
Versus casing you and making an empassioned case for your lynch...
I don't know what to tell you.
There is no difference.
[VOTE: Golden] aubergine
This really is a *literal* no u.
lolQuin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:51 amNope. Your vote is just that rotten.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:47 amHave you - even for one instant - ever indicated suspicion that I'm mafia in this game.Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:46 amNo, you.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:42 amThis is bullsuit.Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:41 amThank you for clarifying.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:15 am If you can't see the difference between me not worrying about taking heat from making literally zero effort from trying to get DF lynched and explaining exactly why I thought a counterwagon was a good idea while also flagging that I wasn't doing it because DF was my prime suspect (the primary factor was that Vivax was already voting there and two votes might actually entice a slip to save bea)
Versus casing you and making an empassioned case for your lynch...
I don't know what to tell you.
There is no difference.
[VOTE: Golden] aubergine
This really is a *literal* no u.
The only difference is that you would hypothetically have only put effort into one of the wagons.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:46 am"I literally want you to explain properly"
"Jokes, no I don't, I just want to rest my case"Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:41 amThank you for clarifying.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:15 am If you can't see the difference between me not worrying about taking heat from making literally zero effort from trying to get DF lynched and explaining exactly why I thought a counterwagon was a good idea while also flagging that I wasn't doing it because DF was my prime suspect (the primary factor was that Vivax was already voting there and two votes might actually entice a slip to save bea)
Versus casing you and making an empassioned case for your lynch...
I don't know what to tell you.
There is no difference.
I'm just gonna go right back to this and say:Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:04 amI'm gonna breeze past the fact that "posts one-liners" is both inaccurate to my play and a shitty reason for a vote, and dive right into the fact that you have no business waiting to make cases when you were specifically interested in alternate wagons yesterday. Why the hell would you wait to make a case on me if you are town?Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:21 amI think perhaps reading the first two days for this where I was present and contributing a lot would be helpful.S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:55 pmWe’ll keep me posted. IMO Golden hasn’t had his own case on anyone, Quin seems to be made of alternating witty and snarky one liners, and Michelle hasn’t had a really solid opinion on anyone. I wanted to put that out there, since I’m doing some reassessing.
I wasn’t around much on D3… although I feel like my case on G-Man was my own and I wasn’t sheeping, in fact since I wasn’t around I don’t actually know what other peoples cases were.
Fully agree I didn’t make my own case on bea, but it didn’t seem necessary.
I would have made a case on Quin yesterday but given where the thread was heading, I chose to wait until today. There was some self-preservation involved there (despite being able to win when dying, I want to play). I think I’m the kind of person who would take a tonne of sus today because people would have thought I was trying to save bea. This is the kind of thing that happens to me.
Fully with you on Michelle as well as Quin though.
You're trying to pretzel logic me.Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:57 am The only difference is that you would hypothetically have only put effort into one of the wagons.
Your proposed DF wagon was pure tokenism. You didn't actually care about alternate wagons at all.
Your hypothetical Quin wagon didn't happen because you didn't want to risk getting heat. You definitely didn't actually care about alternate wagons at all.
Let's say I believe you. You didn't make the case on me because you thought it could backfire on you and get you lynched that Day.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:58 amI'm just gonna go right back to this and say:Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:04 amI'm gonna breeze past the fact that "posts one-liners" is both inaccurate to my play and a shitty reason for a vote, and dive right into the fact that you have no business waiting to make cases when you were specifically interested in alternate wagons yesterday. Why the hell would you wait to make a case on me if you are town?Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:21 amI think perhaps reading the first two days for this where I was present and contributing a lot would be helpful.S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:55 pmWe’ll keep me posted. IMO Golden hasn’t had his own case on anyone, Quin seems to be made of alternating witty and snarky one liners, and Michelle hasn’t had a really solid opinion on anyone. I wanted to put that out there, since I’m doing some reassessing.
I wasn’t around much on D3… although I feel like my case on G-Man was my own and I wasn’t sheeping, in fact since I wasn’t around I don’t actually know what other peoples cases were.
Fully agree I didn’t make my own case on bea, but it didn’t seem necessary.
I would have made a case on Quin yesterday but given where the thread was heading, I chose to wait until today. There was some self-preservation involved there (despite being able to win when dying, I want to play). I think I’m the kind of person who would take a tonne of sus today because people would have thought I was trying to save bea. This is the kind of thing that happens to me.
Fully with you on Michelle as well as Quin though.
I cannot see any world in which civ quin asks the question 'why the hell would you wait to make a case on me if you are town?'
I think this is an inherently 'knew bea was a civ on day 4' mindset.
I didn't say anything about it getting me lynched that day. Or today.Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:23 amLet's say I believe you. You didn't make the case on me because you thought it could backfire on you and get you lynched that Day.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:58 amI'm just gonna go right back to this and say:Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:04 amI'm gonna breeze past the fact that "posts one-liners" is both inaccurate to my play and a shitty reason for a vote, and dive right into the fact that you have no business waiting to make cases when you were specifically interested in alternate wagons yesterday. Why the hell would you wait to make a case on me if you are town?Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:21 amI think perhaps reading the first two days for this where I was present and contributing a lot would be helpful.S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:55 pmWe’ll keep me posted. IMO Golden hasn’t had his own case on anyone, Quin seems to be made of alternating witty and snarky one liners, and Michelle hasn’t had a really solid opinion on anyone. I wanted to put that out there, since I’m doing some reassessing.
I wasn’t around much on D3… although I feel like my case on G-Man was my own and I wasn’t sheeping, in fact since I wasn’t around I don’t actually know what other peoples cases were.
Fully agree I didn’t make my own case on bea, but it didn’t seem necessary.
I would have made a case on Quin yesterday but given where the thread was heading, I chose to wait until today. There was some self-preservation involved there (despite being able to win when dying, I want to play). I think I’m the kind of person who would take a tonne of sus today because people would have thought I was trying to save bea. This is the kind of thing that happens to me.
Fully with you on Michelle as well as Quin though.
I cannot see any world in which civ quin asks the question 'why the hell would you wait to make a case on me if you are town?'
I think this is an inherently 'knew bea was a civ on day 4' mindset.
My next question is, "Why does civ Golden not make his case that Night?"
Then why'st the hell did it matter?Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:29 amI didn't say anything about it getting me lynched that day. Or today.Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:23 amLet's say I believe you. You didn't make the case on me because you thought it could backfire on you and get you lynched that Day.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:58 amI'm just gonna go right back to this and say:Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:04 amI'm gonna breeze past the fact that "posts one-liners" is both inaccurate to my play and a shitty reason for a vote, and dive right into the fact that you have no business waiting to make cases when you were specifically interested in alternate wagons yesterday. Why the hell would you wait to make a case on me if you are town?Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:21 amI think perhaps reading the first two days for this where I was present and contributing a lot would be helpful.
I wasn’t around much on D3… although I feel like my case on G-Man was my own and I wasn’t sheeping, in fact since I wasn’t around I don’t actually know what other peoples cases were.
Fully agree I didn’t make my own case on bea, but it didn’t seem necessary.
I would have made a case on Quin yesterday but given where the thread was heading, I chose to wait until today. There was some self-preservation involved there (despite being able to win when dying, I want to play). I think I’m the kind of person who would take a tonne of sus today because people would have thought I was trying to save bea. This is the kind of thing that happens to me.
Fully with you on Michelle as well as Quin though.
I cannot see any world in which civ quin asks the question 'why the hell would you wait to make a case on me if you are town?'
I think this is an inherently 'knew bea was a civ on day 4' mindset.
My next question is, "Why does civ Golden not make his case that Night?"
I didn't want to deal with the shit. I'm not afraid of a lynch.
I don't make cases at night.
I got up and read your ISO and decided I misread you, and I know why. I paid attention to the Lorab vote, I followed parts of that in real time. And as a *non player* I loathed the tone you took with her and that colored my reads of you going forward. And you fell off a bit after that. But that’s where “snarky one liners” came from
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:53 pmRIP KateScotty wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:56 pm I was secretly hoping y’all would pick Llama to come back, since he’s more on brand for the theme of this game and I thought his space apart from the game would have given him some fresh reads. But I get why y’all brought me back. Thanks.
So, before I launch into what I have observed from the great yonder (It’s cold and dark out there), I’d prefer to hear from players as to who their top suspects are as we start the day. I don’t want to color anyone’s reads.
With Bea removed as as part of the G Man lynch cluster, I’m back where I was re Sloonei and not understanding how that lynch went down if Sloonei is a civ.
I feel ok about Wilgy, and Vivax. Sig and Faraday are slightly green question marks. Golden and Michelle are double question marks. I am feeling less than great about Sloonei and Quin.
I look forward to hearing your opinions.
Grr I never said I didn’t care about heat for appearing to try and save bea. I specifically said that would be frustrating, just the kind of thing I’d take heat for, and not particularly fun.
Because I think, as I have all game since my first post, that you are civ. It has been 3 people I my circle of trust since day one, Kate was NKed, Scotty was NKed, I was choosing to keep towncore closer to the vest.Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:28 am RIP Kate. I really thought we were right about Bea. My problem in mafia is if I get one wrong, I start to question everything I'm thinking.
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This post mentions every player but me.S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:53 pmRIP KateScotty wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:56 pm I was secretly hoping y’all would pick Llama to come back, since he’s more on brand for the theme of this game and I thought his space apart from the game would have given him some fresh reads. But I get why y’all brought me back. Thanks.
So, before I launch into what I have observed from the great yonder (It’s cold and dark out there), I’d prefer to hear from players as to who their top suspects are as we start the day. I don’t want to color anyone’s reads.
With Bea removed as as part of the G Man lynch cluster, I’m back where I was re Sloonei and not understanding how that lynch went down if Sloonei is a civ.
I feel ok about Wilgy, and Vivax. Sig and Faraday are slightly green question marks. Golden and Michelle are double question marks. I am feeling less than great about Sloonei and Quin.
I look forward to hearing your opinions.
Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:11 pmDon't understand how being insaned clears DF for yousig wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:34 pm 11 players left 3 mafia.
We’re still in a good place thankfully. (Assuming Scotty isn’t mafia which I’d have assumed if he was vigged said vig would’ve been freaking out)
I’m leaning toward Michelle or Quin. Quin based off and Michelle is mainly gut.
Bea’s flip semi clears DF for me since he was also insaned
I won’t lie, I love this got a chuckle out of meQuin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:46 amNo, you.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:42 amThis is bullsuit.Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:41 amThank you for clarifying.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:15 am If you can't see the difference between me not worrying about taking heat from making literally zero effort from trying to get DF lynched and explaining exactly why I thought a counterwagon was a good idea while also flagging that I wasn't doing it because DF was my prime suspect (the primary factor was that Vivax was already voting there and two votes might actually entice a slip to save bea)
Versus casing you and making an empassioned case for your lynch...
I don't know what to tell you.
There is no difference.
[VOTE: Golden] aubergine
I mean it doesn’t lick clear him but for me at least it’s some townie points.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:40 pmBeing insaned means they just missed the vote. How does that clear anybody?sig wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:34 pm 11 players left 3 mafia.
We’re still in a good place thankfully. (Assuming Scotty isn’t mafia which I’d have assumed if he was vigged said vig would’ve been freaking out)
I’m leaning toward Michelle or Quin. Quin based off and Michelle is mainly gut.
Bea’s flip semi clears DF for me since he was also insaned
Good point about the highposters, but voting llama will be tough while he's hanging around in hades.sig wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:02 am Okay so my issue right now is I’ve got literally zero scum reads and very few scum pings.
Llama was very anti Quin which seems like a place to maybe place a vote.
I could see Sloonie or Golden being mafia, based off the High posting theory which I do think is true + Gman not voting for sloonie is eyebrow raising.
Additionally it’s clear mafia are now shooting for high content people so why go Llama than Scotty but leave golden and sloonie.
Michelle is still a gut mafia lean I’m nursing but I’ve got zero reason for it besides gut
Yet ... yet .... you voted for a low poster, and your rationale (not even in your voting post)
I know I will have to make a decision re Golden v. Quin, I have waffly feels re both Golden and Quin. Initially I had this "Baddie! Burn the Baddie!" thing going on in my head re Quin, but then when i realized why, and read him in context, that settled down and stopped coloring my reads. Then while I haven't felt a massively strong read on Golden, two things he's said, when he asked Kate if she was sure of me, then Kate dies that night. Then today, this:
I know it's "Not all about me" (a chasm many mafia players fall into, imo, thinking the thread play revolves around them, and it's a mistake I'm prone to at times). But But this really feels like the baddies knew they had to get rid of the both of us, and I'd be an easier lynch. Planting those seeds, man.
What does "white Knighting" mean? Is it defending?Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:09 amScotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:27 pm That being said, I actually think sig coming out and throwing caution to the wind with regards to his spelling and grammar is townie, if not reckless. Could be WIFOM, but that role is incredibly restrictive to my *vibe* which comes with autocorrect errors and incomplete sentences. So I get it.Bit too much whiteknighting on sig from Scottys part for my taste. I don't like that the initial argument became a secondary one in his reply to Llama. Scotty may be a bit too eager to parade the start of day role shenannies around that he based his sig townread on.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:38 pmSig is known miselimination fodder.thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:22 pm I will also state for the record that I don't buy the suspicion on Sig. Feels too easy.
It is known, Khaleesi.
Though I’m seeing more support for sig as town than suspicion at this current juncture..