The Syndicate

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:36 pm JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA



That's a good POE

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:49 pm Town has exactly one more mischop available before we enter elimination phases (final X). The margin for error is tiny and we cannot afford to have even one member of the town faction say "whatever, I'll just die".

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:13 amWhat do you think of the potential for ilario and Dyslexicon to both be mafia?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:28 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:36 pm JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA



That's a good POE

If I'm not mistaken, you're vote has been off main wagons on both days now. How are you going to impact the game to a town win? Right now Dolby and SOA have wagons on them, so if you were to choose one of them, which one would you vote?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:35 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:49 pm Town has exactly one more mischop available before we enter elimination phases (final X). The margin for error is tiny and we cannot afford to have even one member of the town faction say "whatever, I'll just die".

Do you have any anti-alignments that stands out to you? Or in other words, is there anyone you feel are mafia in most worlds? I'll take a look at this tonight myself.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:43 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:28 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:36 pm JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA



That's a good POE

If I'm not mistaken, you're vote has been off main wagons on both days now. How are you going to impact the game to a town win? Right now Dolby and SOA have wagons on them, so if you were to choose one of them, which one would you vote?

I vote for the players I think are scum. How am I supposed to know how I'm going to impact the game for a town win? That's a strange question. What's your answer to that question for yourself?


Between Dolby and SOA, I'd like to pull a move I've recently seen from @Master Radishes tie em' up and let it rand.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:43 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:28 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:36 pm JJJ, Ilario, Dolby, SOA



That's a good POE

If I'm not mistaken, you're vote has been off main wagons on both days now. How are you going to impact the game to a town win? Right now Dolby and SOA have wagons on them, so if you were to choose one of them, which one would you vote?

I vote for the players I think are scum. How am I supposed to know how I'm going to impact the game for a town win? That's a strange question. What's your answer to that question for yourself?


Between Dolby and SOA, I'd like to pull a move I've recently seen from @Master Radishes tie em' up and let it rand.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:02 pm I'm arrogant again and feel like the game is solved.



I removed my 6 strongest town reads... and they're all legitimately strong. That left me with the following POE pool:

Dolby
falcon
G-Man
Johanna
Lime Coke
Son of Anarch

Within that set, Johanna only has two fits. So she can't be mafia with these premises accepted.

Thus we're left with only two teams that can work:

Dolby, falcon, G-Man, Lime Coke
Dolby, G-Man, Lime Coke, Son of Anarch

Put another way, the mafia team is: [Dolby, G-Man, Lime Coke] plus one of [falcon, Son of Anarch].

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:45 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:35 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:49 pm Town has exactly one more mischop available before we enter elimination phases (final X). The margin for error is tiny and we cannot afford to have even one member of the town faction say "whatever, I'll just die".

Do you have any anti-alignments that stands out to you? Or in other words, is there anyone you feel are mafia in most worlds? I'll take a look at this tonight myself.

He did make that chart yesterday...

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:47 pm

Highly doubt they're mafia teammates
Mostly doubt they're mafia teammates
They could be mafia teammates
They fit together pretty well as mafia teammates

Note: as always I did not write meticulous notes to be posted for this, as it becomes spammy. Instead anyone can ask me to expand on any block and, as time permits, I will try to do so.

When I do this I normally work with fewer levels, but I wanted to be extremely thorough about this one given my worries about the state of the game. Some quick takeaways:

- NAA doesn't have enough fits. Town.
- Sloonei doesn't have enough fits. Town.
>> Each of them has three technical fits, but those fits don't fit with each other.

- Tony can probably be assessed on mechanical bases instead of this.

- ilario, Johanna, and Marmot are all close to meeting the same standard, but technically it is possible if my views are correct for them to be mafia.

- Dolby, falcon, G-Man, and Lime Coke all fit together as pairs, meaning that is a viable mafia team. I would call it my lead theory.

- Some other foursomes that technically can work:
>> Johanna, ilario, Dolby, G-Man
>> Johanna, ilario, Dolby, Dizzy
>> Probably more, but I need more time to exhaustively work through it. Separate post maybe.

- Obviously I can be wrong about stuff. I can't worry about that. This is the result of my work.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:49 am

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:45 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:35 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:49 pm Town has exactly one more mischop available before we enter elimination phases (final X). The margin for error is tiny and we cannot afford to have even one member of the town faction say "whatever, I'll just die".

Do you have any anti-alignments that stands out to you? Or in other words, is there anyone you feel are mafia in most worlds? I'll take a look at this tonight myself.

He did make that chart yesterday...

Lol =p

My mind doesn't work in charts tbh, I'm looking for more words. I want to know why the charts are what they are, cause I'm not in Jimmay's brain like Sloonmeister. But I'll do the same exercise later tonight.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:50 am Let it rand is never fine. I object!!

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:53 am There's also one thing that I keep forgetting to say but I think is kind of funny, which is that when I started catching up because my notifications mentioned Jimmy first I thought he was actually the host and it took me all of page 1 and wondering why the fuck was the host posting like a player to realise my brain had screwed up.

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:53 am There's also one thing that I keep forgetting to say but I think is kind of funny, which is that when I started catching up because my notifications mentioned Jimmy first I thought he was actually the host and it took me all of page 1 and wondering why the fuck was the host posting like a player to realise my brain had screwed up.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:56 am

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:53 am There's also one thing that I keep forgetting to say but I think is kind of funny, which is that when I started catching up because my notifications mentioned Jimmy first I thought he was actually the host and it took me all of page 1 and wondering why the fuck was the host posting like a player to realise my brain had screwed up.

It's a bastard game

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:00 am First rule of town is always yeet the 3P.

VOTE: DIZZLYXICON

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:59 am I'm hardclaiming SK, but I'll town side

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:51 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:49 am

Johanna wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:45 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:35 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:49 pm Town has exactly one more mischop available before we enter elimination phases (final X). The margin for error is tiny and we cannot afford to have even one member of the town faction say "whatever, I'll just die".

Do you have any anti-alignments that stands out to you? Or in other words, is there anyone you feel are mafia in most worlds? I'll take a look at this tonight myself.

He did make that chart yesterday...

Lol =p

My mind doesn't work in charts tbh, I'm looking for more words. I want to know why the charts are what they are, cause I'm not in Jimmay's brain like Sloonmeister. But I'll do the same exercise later tonight.

One huge flaw in the charts is that low posters tend to have higher association potential simply because they haven't had many interactions on the thread, and those are I think how JollyJimmyJoe chose his colours.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:01 am I'm still not healed lol

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:17 am Being a consensus townread is unfamiliar territory. Should I change how I dress or something

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:14 am And then if we hit town, we take the 50/50 on:

G-Man
Johanna

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:21 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:14 am And then if we hit town, we take the 50/50 on:

G-Man
Johanna

Why are these two 50/50?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:22 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:21 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:14 am And then if we hit town, we take the 50/50 on:

G-Man
Johanna

Why are these two 50/50?

I'm not interested in a discussion unless a consensus is established prior. Diving into details is pointless, without the plan town loses.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:18 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:17 am Being a consensus townread is unfamiliar territory. Should I change how I dress or something

Do you agree on the game state at least?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:57 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:00 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:58 pm This is the JJJ despair post.

I don't know why that's despair. That's a very subjective assessment, so I'll just ask a related but different question:

- Would it be wise for me, as a town member, to keep pummeling away at what I have been doing without reconsidering my approach with no dead mafia and only one mischop still available?

There's some interesting language here...you pummeling away, the wording there makes it sound as tho it's fatiguing for you, defeating.

You've had quite a bit of success playing Maf, you're a very talented player. Tell me, do you throw out your playbook cuz' of 2 mislynches?


This post is also subtly seeded with the despair I mentioned, and it's antithetical to your town play IMO

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:23 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:22 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:21 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:14 am And then if we hit town, we take the 50/50 on:

G-Man
Johanna

Why are these two 50/50?

I'm not interested in a discussion unless a consensus is established prior. Diving into details is pointless, without the plan town loses.

I’m just making sure you’re not still relying on Dizzy’s rescinded claim.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:24 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:18 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:17 am Being a consensus townread is unfamiliar territory. Should I change how I dress or something

Do you agree on the game state at least?

Almost. I'd replace ilario with g-man in my list.

That said, a poe of 4 right now doesn't feel right, especially after Lime Coke was a miss yesterday. It feels too easy. Like, if ilario, Dizzy, JJJ and myself are all town, how did we collectively get sig, and then that one wrong?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:33 am Dolby's perspective this game has been so stale. I'd say he's almost certainly mafia. Also contrarian for the sake of it, and parking vote whenever possible without having to justify anything

Ilario has only jumped in in cases where he had a clear direction / target / intention, also the misread on Lime Coke apparently is a big deal for him

G-Man's posting has been to prevent the narrowing of PoE

SoA just ceased to exist albeit, could be town

I would yeet the first two and expect it's 2/2, then I'd re-evaluate G-Man, SoA, Falcon, Johanna

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:18 am

Spoiler: show

Maybe I'll become a radiologist like Jo's cousin

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:36 am Also, occam's razor / most reasonable thing to do right now is kill someone who voted on both town who is also not eliminated in the PoE.