Re: Team Fortress Mafia [DAY 3]
Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:51 pm
Marmot is a triple voter, you know who to appeal to.
Marmot is a triple voter, you know who to appeal to.
It doesn't even do that? LolJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:46 pmIt clears me of what I’m being accused of, carrying the mafia kill and then getting roleblocked and that’s why nobody died last night.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:43 pmI don't see how that claim clears you - it seems to target another player. If you're the soldier, you likely didn't carry KP, but that's kind of irrelevant to my vote.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:26 pmLolololololololLinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:10 am Actually no, Soldier makes the Mafia factional kill unstoppable by roleblocks, healing, immunity, and redirection.
So, there's no way Marmot used that on a Mafia last night.
My claim does confirm me.
I’m the other soldier. If I was a wolf carrying the kill, I couldn’t be blocked.
You are aware that’s the case on me, right? The entire case.
I'm for real dawg.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:29 pmSo stop being fake, furball.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:23 pmYeah, you kinda did say it beforeJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:47 pmAgreed. Scumread feels fake.Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:26 am Im gonna say this. Falcon is treating Gavial like a bad townie, not like scum.
He's still POE IMO
Mmm, yes. Only stupid players do that.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:46 am Anyways I should be hard cleared from being a sabie teammate tbh, I dont think I'd ever save a teammate then immediately turn around and have them do the n1 kill, especially in a game with so many potential blocks
Pretending you don’t have responsibility for your own vote is antitown and I don’t understand the mindset.
I mean I'm not saying only stupid players would or that I'm smarter cause I wouldn't, im saying I specifically believe in this approach and there are people in the game who are aware of that/can verify. As axe already has, for exampleJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:55 pmMmm, yes. Only stupid players do that.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:46 am Anyways I should be hard cleared from being a sabie teammate tbh, I dont think I'd ever save a teammate then immediately turn around and have them do the n1 kill, especially in a game with so many potential blocks
Who itg is stupid?
/s
Why don’t you just cc me and lock this in?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:53 pmIt doesn't even do that? LolJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:46 pmIt clears me of what I’m being accused of, carrying the mafia kill and then getting roleblocked and that’s why nobody died last night.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:43 pmI don't see how that claim clears you - it seems to target another player. If you're the soldier, you likely didn't carry KP, but that's kind of irrelevant to my vote.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:26 pmLolololololololLinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:10 am Actually no, Soldier makes the Mafia factional kill unstoppable by roleblocks, healing, immunity, and redirection.
So, there's no way Marmot used that on a Mafia last night.
My claim does confirm me.
I’m the other soldier. If I was a wolf carrying the kill, I couldn’t be blocked.
You are aware that’s the case on me, right? The entire case.
I don't understand what you're hoping to accomplish beyond flailing around aimlessly like a chicken with its head cut offJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:57 pmWhy don’t you just cc me and lock this in?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:53 pmIt doesn't even do that? LolJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:46 pmIt clears me of what I’m being accused of, carrying the mafia kill and then getting roleblocked and that’s why nobody died last night.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:43 pmI don't see how that claim clears you - it seems to target another player. If you're the soldier, you likely didn't carry KP, but that's kind of irrelevant to my vote.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:26 pmLolololololololLinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:10 am Actually no, Soldier makes the Mafia factional kill unstoppable by roleblocks, healing, immunity, and redirection.
So, there's no way Marmot used that on a Mafia last night.
My claim does confirm me.
I’m the other soldier. If I was a wolf carrying the kill, I couldn’t be blocked.
You are aware that’s the case on me, right? The entire case.
@falcon45caJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:51 pm Hey, Falcon.
What’s the most compelling reason you think I’m mafia?
I’m not getting yeeted today.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:58 pmI don't understand what you're hoping to accomplish beyond flailing around aimlessly like a chicken with its head cut offJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:57 pmWhy don’t you just cc me and lock this in?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:53 pmIt doesn't even do that? LolJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:46 pmIt clears me of what I’m being accused of, carrying the mafia kill and then getting roleblocked and that’s why nobody died last night.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:43 pmI don't see how that claim clears you - it seems to target another player. If you're the soldier, you likely didn't carry KP, but that's kind of irrelevant to my vote.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:26 pmLolololololololLinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:10 am Actually no, Soldier makes the Mafia factional kill unstoppable by roleblocks, healing, immunity, and redirection.
So, there's no way Marmot used that on a Mafia last night.
My claim does confirm me.
I’m the other soldier. If I was a wolf carrying the kill, I couldn’t be blocked.
You are aware that’s the case on me, right? The entire case.
Since there's literally no reason for sig to have any.
You’re not letting me off the hook because I post well in a spurt. You’re letting me off the hook because the only reason to suspect me is because you blocked me but if I was a wolf, I’d be unblockable anyway so there’s no reason to suspect me in the first place.
I give my reads in an attempt to steer the game in the correct direction. My reads have no weight this game, I'm certainly not going to start explaining them, and make it easier for people to read me. There's 1 thing I've done in this game that instantly defines my alignment if you can find it. When I realized I was like, ah fuck... Such a billboard player.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:56 pmPretending you don’t have responsibility for your own vote is antitown and I don’t understand the mindset.
How are we supposed to read you if you refuse to think for yourself?
This is like technically completely accurate.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:53 am @MacDougall let's say I believe you for a second, what do you think about Lime Coke. Did not vote Sabie D1, D3 he claims a role block on Jack as being mechanically definitive when it's obviously not - even with no knowledge of the set up, you know that there are 2 of each role. Therefore any one action OBVIOUSLY can't be viewed this way.
Well, I'll break this down a few ways.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:45 pmIm gonna pretend i dont scum read you to engage with you. Boom! That read is gone, the tunnel is vanished.sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:41 pmWell I know i'm civ and your reasoning for tunneling on me is god awful. Which imo is usually something mafia are more prone to do D0/1 since it lets them latch onto something, tunnel, do less gameplay wise, and then when someone misflips it's a meh.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:38 pmSo im townie because i tunneled Sabie but not for low tunneling you? So i cant be scum for hellbussing Sabie for example?sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:31 pm So my biggest issue right now is I don't have any super solid mafia reads.
I'm back and forth on Gullio, his low tunneling on me is a bit scummy and he's not doing much content wise just volume also there's this weird thing with naa which doesn't seem V/V unless I"m missing something? But, he was also pushing sabie for awhile if i recall correctly and Last phase I pegged him as tunneling towny which seems more right.
I think the LC read on jack has some merit, but with the amount of blocks, protects, eCt out there it isn't solid.
I think most likely mafia are laying low, maybe we've got one who voted to save sabie, but doubt it's more than that, and probably one on her wagon? I need to go backk and look at that lay out.
Also beginning to suspect Falcon given his under the radar playstyle and D1 flipflopping vote then avoidance of wagons.
So in theory you could be scum for bussing sabie, but given that it was Day 1, Sabie wasn't outted at that point, and there are only four mafia members hard bussins seems a bit less likely. That isn't to say no mafia members voted for her D1, but voting vs hard pushing is very different.
So I guess you'd be a slight town read? but probably my least confident one.
Sig, why do you think Sabie chose to chop Seanzie instead of chopping Gavial and you who were available wagons at the time?
Wait why would you be unblockable?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:03 pmYou’re not letting me off the hook because I post well in a spurt. You’re letting me off the hook because the only reason to suspect me is because you blocked me but if I was a wolf, I’d be unblockable anyway so there’s no reason to suspect me in the first place.
Town
Marmot
Lime
Mac
LP
Guillo
Dolby
Tony
Martin
Wilgy
Sig
Gav
Falcon
Nanook
Wolf
The only time I seriously thought a player was game throwing, he was a townie PR trying to dodge nks and then he turned around like “everything it was doing is fake. I’m the cop. Wolves are X and Y.”Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:06 pm hey all, just a reminder that game throwing is a serious accusation and against site rules. if you truly believe someone is intentionally not playing to their wincon report it to the MoDs instead of making accusations in the thread.
please do not interact with this post.
Apparently, wolf soldiers are unblockable when carrying the kill. Per LP per the setup. Imma be mad if that’s not the case.sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:08 pmWait why would you be unblockable?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:03 pmYou’re not letting me off the hook because I post well in a spurt. You’re letting me off the hook because the only reason to suspect me is because you blocked me but if I was a wolf, I’d be unblockable anyway so there’s no reason to suspect me in the first place.
Town
Marmot
Lime
Mac
LP
Guillo
Dolby
Tony
Martin
Wilgy
Sig
Gav
Falcon
Nanook
Wolf
No, soldiers can make other players unblockable, based on my read.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:11 pmApparently, wolf soldiers are unblockable when carrying the kill. Per LP per the setup. Imma be mad if that’s not the case.sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:08 pmWait why would you be unblockable?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:03 pmYou’re not letting me off the hook because I post well in a spurt. You’re letting me off the hook because the only reason to suspect me is because you blocked me but if I was a wolf, I’d be unblockable anyway so there’s no reason to suspect me in the first place.
Town
Marmot
Lime
Mac
LP
Guillo
Dolby
Tony
Martin
Wilgy
Sig
Gav
Falcon
Nanook
Wolf
sure but he's pretty townieNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:53 am @MacDougall let's say I believe you for a second, what do you think about Lime Coke. Did not vote Sabie D1, D3 he claims a role block on Jack as being mechanically definitive when it's obviously not - even with no knowledge of the set up, you know that there are 2 of each role. Therefore any one action OBVIOUSLY can't be viewed this way.
bruhJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:10 pmThe only time I seriously thought a player was game throwing, he was a townie PR trying to dodge nks and then he turned around like “everything it was doing is fake. I’m the cop. Wolves are X and Y.”Hally wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:06 pm hey all, just a reminder that game throwing is a serious accusation and against site rules. if you truly believe someone is intentionally not playing to their wincon report it to the MoDs instead of making accusations in the thread.
please do not interact with this post.
Plus like what if the player you think is gamethrowing is like a wolf after all?
So like I’m never ever gonna seriously accuse anyone of throwing during a game. Feels like this era’s version of saying you’re boning somebody’s mom on XBL.
I mean see whenever I do omgus you it's because you're mafia that goes for me, very rarely does town mac try to dumbly vote me off. Now usually it doesn't matter buuuuuut I take great joy at end game/in dead chat, being able to whine and feel vindicated that I was once again right.
Tin foil theory here, but what if jack is mafia with a mercenary and got their roles confused? Since in theory he could be submitting the roles for the entire team.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:15 pm “Mafia Buffs
Mercenaries who work for the mafia have more advanced equipment that grant them the following bonuses:
- Soldier: Will also learn the target’s class/color when he watches them.”
Well like….whatever. I’m still town.
Rhats not me that’s jackGavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:23 pmHMMfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:21 pmI feel like you've already said this. Why do you feel the need to repeat yourself?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:20 pm I don’t feel like any of Falcon’s questions look like legit attempts to solve this game from a town perspective.
I WONDER WHY!?!?
Maybe because people are being naive here and refuse to realize your posts are wolfy.
@TonyStarkPrime
If you continue to call Falcon being wolfy your just outed wolf with him.
This is the same as the other oneGavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:23 pmHMMfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:21 pmI feel like you've already said this. Why do you feel the need to repeat yourself?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:20 pm I don’t feel like any of Falcon’s questions look like legit attempts to solve this game from a town perspective.
I WONDER WHY!?!?
Maybe because people are being naive here and refuse to realize your posts are wolfy.
@TonyStarkPrime
If you continue to call Falcon being townie your just outed wolf with him.
I fake stuff all the time as town. Being honest is wolfyGavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:27 pmYET YOUR NOT DENYING YOUR FAKING.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:23 pmYeah, you kinda did say it beforeJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:47 pmAgreed. Scumread feels fake.Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:26 am Im gonna say this. Falcon is treating Gavial like a bad townie, not like scum.
@MacDougall
@Marmot
@Lime Coke
@LinearPoint
@DrWilgy
@Dolby
IN WHAT WORLD DOES A TOWN MEMBER FAKE SHIT!?
I thought the mercenaries were the mafia woweesig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:21 pmTin foil theory here, but what if jack is mafia with a mercenary and got their roles confused? Since in theory he could be submitting the roles for the entire team.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:15 pm “Mafia Buffs
Mercenaries who work for the mafia have more advanced equipment that grant them the following bonuses:
- Soldier: Will also learn the target’s class/color when he watches them.”
Well like….whatever. I’m still town.
I'm actually not convinced you're Maf.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:58 pm@falcon45caJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:51 pm Hey, Falcon.
What’s the most compelling reason you think I’m mafia?
Like convince me your read is real.
Though pretty sure your town, however If you're not I still want one "I told you so" to everyone.sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:19 pmI mean see whenever I do omgus you it's because you're mafia that goes for me, very rarely does town mac try to dumbly vote me off. Now usually it doesn't matter buuuuuut I take great joy at end game/in dead chat, being able to whine and feel vindicated that I was once again right.
Every time I suspect you regardless of your alignment you always make this argument which is always incorrect as I've pushed you as town many times, and been correct many times...sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:19 pmI mean see whenever I do omgus you it's because you're mafia that goes for me, very rarely does town mac try to dumbly vote me off. Now usually it doesn't matter buuuuuut I take great joy at end game/in dead chat, being able to whine and feel vindicated that I was once again right.
I think Jack is town. I have Falcon as a very mild lean wolf. He seems wolfy on play but then he hasn't tried to appease me the way you did here with the bolded, which I give him town points for.sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:28 pmThough pretty sure your town, however If you're not I still want one "I told you so" to everyone.sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:19 pmI mean see whenever I do omgus you it's because you're mafia that goes for me, very rarely does town mac try to dumbly vote me off. Now usually it doesn't matter buuuuuut I take great joy at end game/in dead chat, being able to whine and feel vindicated that I was once again right.
Also for real now @MacDougall
what do you think of falcon and jack?
I asked you a question tho
Imagine being me.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:22 pm I love coming back to multiple announcements of “you have been mentioned by Gavial”, it fills me with joy every time
He answered it.
*fart noises*falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:28 pmI'm actually not convinced you're Maf.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:58 pm@falcon45caJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:51 pm Hey, Falcon.
What’s the most compelling reason you think I’m mafia?
Like convince me your read is real.
I did tell you my vote was OMGUS
1. I mean it's a pretty good argument to make.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:29 pmEvery time I suspect you regardless of your alignment you always make this argument which is always incorrect as I've pushed you as town many times, and been correct many times...sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:19 pmI mean see whenever I do omgus you it's because you're mafia that goes for me, very rarely does town mac try to dumbly vote me off. Now usually it doesn't matter buuuuuut I take great joy at end game/in dead chat, being able to whine and feel vindicated that I was once again right.
I think you are sus. Not being pushed since d1 given your performance here is strongly indicative that you are mafia or the mafia would have tried to push you.
What about pushing you of all people makes me dumb? Where do you get off calling me dumb for daring to push a tepid, omgussy Sig that has been coasting?
Why do you have so few Sean CFDers in a scum list, and so many in town/null lists?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:03 pmYou’re not letting me off the hook because I post well in a spurt. You’re letting me off the hook because the only reason to suspect me is because you blocked me but if I was a wolf, I’d be unblockable anyway so there’s no reason to suspect me in the first place.
Town
Marmot
Lime
Mac
LP
Guillo
Dolby
Tony
Martin
Wilgy
Sig
Gav
Falcon
Nanook
Wolf