The Syndicate

anne wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:15 pm wilgy's recent posts were kinda meh so he can die, neon prolly closer to townie than not atp

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:22 pm Eh I still think Anne is okay, the stuff surrounding Sabi/Mac/Anne look unpaired between Sabi/Anne and the claim call out adds to that. The kills mafia are making are a little weird if she's town, but that's secondary as it's possible there is intent behind kills to make people confused.

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:23 pm

anne wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:15 pm wilgy's recent posts were kinda meh so he can die, neon prolly closer to townie than not atp

elaborate?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:53 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:47 pm @Jackofhearts2005 respectfully do you have terrible read accuracy and why did you TR Wigly/anne/obscurity?

Really depends on the game. Sometimes, I pick outmost of the wolfteam on day 1. Sometimes, I get pocketed hard.

Obscurity is just obviously town. Come on. He's trying to solve. He's trying not to tunnel. His reads make sense. Strongest townread, easily.

I think Anne looked good D1. Her interactions with Sabi don't look particularly teamed. She's kinda fallen off as the game went on and like...she's still alive but that's just tinfoil.

Wilgy tends to coast more as a wolf. He's interrogating people, here. I don't agree with some of his reads but I believe they're real reads.

Where you going with this?

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:25 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:22 pm Eh I still think Anne is okay, the stuff surrounding Sabi/Mac/Anne look unpaired between Sabi/Anne and the claim call out adds to that. The kills mafia are making are a little weird if she's town, but that's secondary as it's possible there is intent behind kills to make people confused.

oh also irt kills

possible a role cop exists, possible they're looking for masons

right now we're at 10 V 2 with 2 mechanical clears and one who has tracks so if mafia don't find masons soon they may just get mech locked especially if we get down to 1.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:04 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:25 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:22 pm Eh I still think Anne is okay, the stuff surrounding Sabi/Mac/Anne look unpaired between Sabi/Anne and the claim call out adds to that. The kills mafia are making are a little weird if she's town, but that's secondary as it's possible there is intent behind kills to make people confused.

oh also irt kills

possible a role cop exists, possible they're looking for masons

right now we're at 10 V 2 with 2 mechanical clears and one who has tracks so if mafia don't find masons soon they may just get mech locked especially if we get down to 1.

nook was a single shot tracker so idk about wolves getting mech locked soon tbh

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:23 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:20 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:08 pm Wilgy, who else do you think is scum besides Falcon? Because I don't think Falcon is the way to go, today. Wolf Falcon would have just voted me by now.

1 wolf in Creature/Obscurity/Porscha maybe Anne/Neon if I'm starting to reassess the clears I gave them.

Schiavetto's slot can be a wolf.

Nook can be a wolf.

This gamestate doesn't point to you being wolf. Lucy/Seanzie I would need to be really hard pressed into revoking the Sabi clear. I don't see pyxxy's posts having a scum angle too. Hard to detour me from that one at this point.

I guess Creature and Neon were the players I was planning on reading anyway.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:21 pm And that is if not Falcon. If Falcon the game gets much easier.

Engagement reading Falcon hasn't been wrong so far this year.

Let's say I'm wrong and Falcon is a wolf. Who is Falcon's partner in that much easier world?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:28 pm Falcon's iso isn't that great, actually. I still believe wolf Falcon would just be voting for me but I think my heart wants Falcon to be town more than my head thinks he is. Wilgy's not wrong. Just....bleh. I wanna give that slot another day. It's not impossible I'm giving the entire wolfteam another day.

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:22 am

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:57 am There's one in Wilgy or pyxxy, leaning Wilgy for creature-y reasons. But it's definitely not omgus.

why do you think one in these two specifically? also does anyone have a link to the great Pyxxy wolf game that's been mentioned a couple times?

also if Neon's best wolf game was the one she linked on Mafiauniverse, she's probably town here.. she barely posted in comparison and seems completely different. i couldn't figure out how to ISO on the other site though.

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:56 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:44 am ey @Schiavetto

How has lucy flipping town made you re-evaluate the game, if at all?

"Wow, I must really have their panties in a twist."

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:53 pm Town vibes:

Scotty (he's pushing on people and making too much of a show. I looked at his old games and he's not like behaving abnormally different from his town games (https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2201, https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2203) but also old games)

Wikgz (feels like his usual weird self, he's doing his weird sheeping thing)

Bad vibes:

Mac: his vibes are off and he's not making much sense.

Cape: really not a fan of his opening at all

Everyone else:

Null

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:46 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:58 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:18 pm I have a...its not really a difference check, idk what to call it, anyways I have mech info that there's at least one mafia between ruri/schia/falcon, I think its probably ruri

So....a red on Ruri/Schia.

Wish Ruri would show up to fullclaim but that was always a long shot.

Still wanna yeet Lily. One time, Sloonei had a red check on 5 players and we burned through them and they were all town and iirc, so was Sloonei. It was...not ideal.

this is kind of a weird reaction. like, if jack is with falcon, i don't think he immediately ignores the falcon part of the claim if he has TMI there, idk?

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:32 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:53 pm Town vibes:

Scotty (he's pushing on people and making too much of a show. I looked at his old games and he's not like behaving abnormally different from his town games (https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2201, https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2203) but also old games)

Wikgz (feels like his usual weird self, he's doing his weird sheeping thing)

Bad vibes:

Mac: his vibes are off and he's not making much sense.

Cape: really not a fan of his opening at all

Everyone else:

Null

Oh Sabi spew also pointed to Wilgy V; mainly because I feel like a wolf would cough up a better reason on Wilgy at this point than "feels like usual self:

Thank you @pyxxy , if you have a town game I'd like to look at it too because I'm worried I need to regard you more closely.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:04 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:25 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:22 pm Eh I still think Anne is okay, the stuff surrounding Sabi/Mac/Anne look unpaired between Sabi/Anne and the claim call out adds to that. The kills mafia are making are a little weird if she's town, but that's secondary as it's possible there is intent behind kills to make people confused.

oh also irt kills

possible a role cop exists, possible they're looking for masons

right now we're at 10 V 2 with 2 mechanical clears and one who has tracks so if mafia don't find masons soon they may just get mech locked especially if we get down to 1.

nook was a single shot tracker so idk about wolves getting mech locked soon tbh

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:50 pm @pyxxy Thank you

Meanwhile can I get a clearer view of your reads this game? An ordered reads' list, if possible? Your ISO jumps around a lot. You had Falcon scum but last post you seem to think Sabi spewed him town. I just would like a better idea of where your head is at, because you do scare me a little.

anne wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:12 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:59 am @anne why did you tr cape and seanzie for not giving AI content?

@Cape90 same question but in regards to Falcon?

@obscurity why do you think what I said wasn't fake able?

@Scotty you have a lot of thoughts on people's openings. Rank em

@Neon why did Anne vote you?

@DrWilgy why did you choose cape to kingmaker and why are we kingmaking a closed set up

None of these questions are productive because they make assumptions. You're assuming that Seanzie and Cape90 haven't towntold, which I disagree with. Seanzie had a pretty loud opening, immediately declaring himself as town and asserting that he knew who the wolves were. This isn't super townie, but it is lightly townie to be so brazen. Cape90 came out right away with a clear townread on falcon and was somewhat skeptical of people already calling him townie, to me those things are lightly townie because it shows a small level of self-absorption and it's stating a read clearly so early on in the game without any "frills".

I mean they're definitely not locktown level or anywhere near, but those were the openings that seemed the best to me. Similarly, why would Neon know why I scumread them when I didn't really provide an explanation beyond quoting the post I thought was scummy?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:01 pm Dead air, dead villager. I'm not seeing much push back on a Wilgy lynch, Jack was thrashing by comparison

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:01 pm Dead air, dead villager. I'm not seeing much push back on a Wilgy lynch, Jack was thrashing by comparison

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:26 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:01 pm Dead air, dead villager. I'm not seeing much push back on a Wilgy lynch, Jack was thrashing by comparison

Jack and Wilgy were the ones thrashing, and Jack's dead. If Wilgy is a hit, then they are likely demotivated, so won't be thrashing, and the final wolf would only thrash if they were in a bad spot since in a wolf!Wilgy world, the fourth wolf being deep is their only chance at success right now.

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:23 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:12 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:59 am @anne why did you tr cape and seanzie for not giving AI content?

@Cape90 same question but in regards to Falcon?

@obscurity why do you think what I said wasn't fake able?

@Scotty you have a lot of thoughts on people's openings. Rank em

@Neon why did Anne vote you?

@DrWilgy why did you choose cape to kingmaker and why are we kingmaking a closed set up

None of these questions are productive because they make assumptions. You're assuming that Seanzie and Cape90 haven't towntold, which I disagree with. Seanzie had a pretty loud opening, immediately declaring himself as town and asserting that he knew who the wolves were. This isn't super townie, but it is lightly townie to be so brazen. Cape90 came out right away with a clear townread on falcon and was somewhat skeptical of people already calling him townie, to me those things are lightly townie because it shows a small level of self-absorption and it's stating a read clearly so early on in the game without any "frills".

I mean they're definitely not locktown level or anywhere near, but those were the openings that seemed the best to me. Similarly, why would Neon know why I scumread them when I didn't really provide an explanation beyond quoting the post I thought was scummy?

you guys ever wonder if this anne will appear again at some point

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:28 pm do the people who think Wilgy is mafia have experience with Wilgy + consider this in his range?

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:33 pm how long are you going to use that stale argument before you're just a wolf, Creature?

tbh.

also yeah Falcon could be mafia.

my top townreads are now Wilgy/Schiavetto/Anne/Jack.

B)

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:54 pm and yeah my thought on jack is he will flip town but i don't oppose his flip if only to advance the game at this point.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:32 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:33 pm how long are you going to use that stale argument before you're just a wolf, Creature?

tbh.

also yeah Falcon could be mafia.

my top townreads are now Wilgy/Schiavetto/Anne/Jack.

B)

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:54 pm and yeah my thought on jack is he will flip town but i don't oppose his flip if only to advance the game at this point.

It was you I was thinking of. You weren't pushing for Creature like Wilgy was, but I remember this post now. You're all like "Creature might be wolf" then Lucy voted Jack and you were like "uhh... maybe not". As if you WANTED WANTED WANTED to push Creature but you were more worried about your thread positioning than you should be.

And yeah, you definitely tried to save Jack.

Bad.

Obscurity has high deepwolf potential. Not worth going for today, but they should not be given a pass moving forward.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:32 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:33 pm how long are you going to use that stale argument before you're just a wolf, Creature?

tbh.

also yeah Falcon could be mafia.

my top townreads are now Wilgy/Schiavetto/Anne/Jack.

B)

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:54 pm and yeah my thought on jack is he will flip town but i don't oppose his flip if only to advance the game at this point.

It was you I was thinking of. You weren't pushing for Creature like Wilgy was, but I remember this post now. You're all like "Creature might be wolf" then Lucy voted Jack and you were like "uhh... maybe not". As if you WANTED WANTED WANTED to push Creature but you were more worried about your thread positioning than you should be.

And yeah, you definitely tried to save Jack.

Bad.

Obscurity has high deepwolf potential. Not worth going for today, but they should not be given a pass moving forward.

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:32 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:33 pm how long are you going to use that stale argument before you're just a wolf, Creature?

tbh.

also yeah Falcon could be mafia.

my top townreads are now Wilgy/Schiavetto/Anne/Jack.

B)

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:54 pm and yeah my thought on jack is he will flip town but i don't oppose his flip if only to advance the game at this point.

It was you I was thinking of. You weren't pushing for Creature like Wilgy was, but I remember this post now. You're all like "Creature might be wolf" then Lucy voted Jack and you were like "uhh... maybe not". As if you WANTED WANTED WANTED to push Creature but you were more worried about your thread positioning than you should be.

And yeah, you definitely tried to save Jack.

Bad.

Obscurity has high deepwolf potential. Not worth going for today, but they should not be given a pass moving forward.

it was an ephemeral thought i had but legit 10 minutes later i was like "creature still town, NVM" which was hours before EOD; + where did i try to save jack? pretty strongly was okay with him flipping all day.

i don't think it's unreasonable to assume i could be a deepwolf though, so fair enough. i'd like to think for the amount of effort i've put into this game i could've pretty easily saved jack if we were partners (or otherwise taken a strong stance against him and been ubercleared) rather than a lameass "welp he'll prob flip town but let's flip him" but i don't think it's unreasonable to tinfoil.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:32 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:33 pm how long are you going to use that stale argument before you're just a wolf, Creature?

tbh.

also yeah Falcon could be mafia.

my top townreads are now Wilgy/Schiavetto/Anne/Jack.

B)

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:54 pm and yeah my thought on jack is he will flip town but i don't oppose his flip if only to advance the game at this point.

It was you I was thinking of. You weren't pushing for Creature like Wilgy was, but I remember this post now. You're all like "Creature might be wolf" then Lucy voted Jack and you were like "uhh... maybe not". As if you WANTED WANTED WANTED to push Creature but you were more worried about your thread positioning than you should be.

And yeah, you definitely tried to save Jack.

Bad.

Obscurity has high deepwolf potential. Not worth going for today, but they should not be given a pass moving forward.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:26 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:01 pm Dead air, dead villager. I'm not seeing much push back on a Wilgy lynch, Jack was thrashing by comparison

Jack and Wilgy were the ones thrashing, and Jack's dead. If Wilgy is a hit, then they are likely demotivated, so won't be thrashing, and the final wolf would only thrash if they were in a bad spot since in a wolf!Wilgy world, the fourth wolf being deep is their only chance at success right now.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:38 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:33 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:33 pm how long are you going to use that stale argument before you're just a wolf, Creature?

tbh.

also yeah Falcon could be mafia.

my top townreads are now Wilgy/Schiavetto/Anne/Jack.

B)

add Porcha

the colored parts are the weird parts

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:52 pm @Schiavetto help me yeet Creature.

@DrWilgy and @falcon45ca and @pyxxy

By our powers combined, we can avoid another tragedy for the MafiaSyndicate Universe.

Like I disagree with the votes on you, but I'd not yeet Creature in your place.

You two are more likely T/T than you Falc/Nook either of those slots may flip w.

~~~~~~

@falcon45ca my friend, you have an hour to do some legitimate hunting. Collect a pelt. What do you make of me currently? What do you make of Jack? Nook? Your Creature votes previous, what were those based on?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:38 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:16 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:52 pm @Schiavetto help me yeet Creature.

@DrWilgy and @falcon45ca and @pyxxy

By our powers combined, we can avoid another tragedy for the MafiaSyndicate Universe.

This doesn't help your case. You seem uninterested to solve.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:21 pm Like honestly, who has spent more time solving today, me or Creature?

Who has spent more time solving, D4 me or entire game Creature?

I'd be offended if I thought you were town.

Eh. I actually kinda agree with Jack here. I can imagine being frustrated by this.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:52 pm @Schiavetto help me yeet Creature.

@DrWilgy and @falcon45ca and @pyxxy

By our powers combined, we can avoid another tragedy for the MafiaSyndicate Universe.

Like I disagree with the votes on you, but I'd not yeet Creature in your place.

You two are more likely T/T than you Falc/Nook either of those slots may flip w.

~~~~~~

@falcon45ca my friend, you have an hour to do some legitimate hunting. Collect a pelt. What do you make of me currently? What do you make of Jack? Nook? Your Creature votes previous, what were those based on?

Let's do these all as GTH reads, and I'll give blurb or two, shall we? I've not spent a lot of time reading, and I'm not pretend like I have.


I did go thru Jack's ISO quickly a short time ago, and the thing that struck me the most is how...I dunno, polite? It is. I didn't really get the sense he's trying to get his hands dirty. GTH he's town tho, even if that sounds odd from what I've just said.


Nook is never an easy read for me, I just find the few posts I've read to have an agenda...like, he's scheming behind the scenes and guiding things in his own subtle way. GTH he's Maf


I find Creatures early interactions with me to come across like he's TR my slot, and there's no reason to do so. GTH he's Maf

I'm rescinding my read on Falcon for now, I think W falcon kinda just ignores my inquiry tbh. This is also the lightest of reads which I need more content for.

Also I'm half inclined to believe Jack's read.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:45 pm This EoD feels bad.

Jack V Creature is T/T

Vetto with the lone Lucy vote lol.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:52 pm Did a quick last min skim of Creature and I don't remember why I recall him being towny.

This post early d1 stood out to me

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:37 pm lmao Sabi is so town

but prob for a very bad reason

Then Rondo Dies and his entire gameplan this cycle has been "Lily wagon bad, yeet Jack" on loop.

No, I agree with Jack here, Creature hasn't been solving he's been stuck on loop.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:05 pm Now that I've skimmed (ty work day ending btw), I recall thinking Creature was wolfy early into the game because of their seeming willingness to vote wherever.

Just in review of today, there's like:
one

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:31 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:49 pm This kill basically says that the people who shut up are bigger threats than the people trying to be loud and control stuff (that and possibly doc dodging)

@Ruri who did you target

I think Jack is town but I'm not planning to try to control anything anymore, placing my vote on who I suspect.

Jack wagon yesterday seemed pretty pure yesterday (Seanzie, NANOOK, Rondo, Lilypetal, me). In contrast, the Lilypetal wagon was full of sketchballs (anne, Neon, falcon45ca, Jack himself, Ruri + 3 or 4 players I forgot).

atp I am considering Jack outed because I'm struggling to see the world Jack is town and wolves decided to pile on the Lilypetal wagon without ever touching the town!Jack wagon.

two

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:36 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:31 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:49 pm This kill basically says that the people who shut up are bigger threats than the people trying to be loud and control stuff (that and possibly doc dodging)

@Ruri who did you target

I think Jack is town but I'm not planning to try to control anything anymore, placing my vote on who I suspect.

Jack wagon yesterday seemed pretty pure yesterday (Seanzie, NANOOK, Rondo, Lilypetal, me). In contrast, the Lilypetal wagon was full of sketchballs (anne, Neon, falcon45ca, Jack himself, Ruri + 3 or 4 players I forgot).

atp I am considering Jack outed because I'm struggling to see the world Jack is town and wolves decided to pile on the Lilypetal wagon without ever touching the town!Jack wagon.

Oh right the Lilypetal wagon also had Porscha, Schiavetto and obscurity.

Jack wagon: me, Seanzie, NANOOK, Lilypetal, Rondo (before moving to random vanity wagon, most specifically anne).

Lilypetal wagon: anne, Neon, falcon45ca, Jack, Ruri, Porscha, Schiavetto, Obscurity.

I know I'm town. Both Lilypetal and Rondo flipped town. So unless there's wolf within Seanzie/NANOOK, wolves didn't bother to join the Jack wagon yesterday, not even to split their votes up.

three

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 3:01 pm Jack should prob be resolved today because yesterday's Lilypetal wagon sucked ass and I find it hard wolves all piled there and none of them went for a town!Jack mislynch.

four

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:31 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:30 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:35 pm @Creature why are you going jack again, i’m much more confident in wigly/anne flips

I can do Jack or anne today.

I think both are likely wolves.

I have a preference for Jack because we need to sort yesterday's wagons. If Jack and Lily were v/v then why were the wolves all on Lilypetal and not a single one on Jack?

five

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:38 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:33 pm how long are you going to use that stale argument before you're just a wolf, Creature?

I'll use it until Jack flips or is mech cleared somehow. The Lilypetal wagon yesterday was extremely wolfy and I feel like its motovation was to save wolf!Jack.

If that's not convincing you on wolf!Jack:
- Jack seemed mostly worried about how he looked than solving.
- Jack's play here is not matching King of the Hill.
- Mac was wolfreading Jack with an actual tell.
- Mac would say we should always sort the counterwagon.

six

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:15 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:33 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:27 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:23 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:03 pm Here are the post counts from the start of Day 3. I screenshotted them before the night ended but was too lazy/forgetful to post them.

Spoiler: show

Neon: 160
obscurity: 130
anne: 79
DrWilgy: 75
Jackofhearts2005: 73
RondoDimBuckle: 67
lucy: 64
Creature: 63
Lilypetal: 60
Porscha: 37
Seanzie: 34
Schiavetto: 26
pyxxy: 25
falcom45ca: 23
NANOOK: 12
Ruro: 2

After Creature pointed out I wasn't post capped, I realized I had been counting from the start of D3, which would put me at like 100 posts. I'm not in antispew. I'm just super bad at timezones.

Spoiler: show

That's a joke. I'm super bad at checking that Sloonei's most recent postcount was for the day phase we were currently on

i'm wiling to believe mistake cuz idk wtf my post count is I just assume it's too low to not even worry about

but i'm still making squinty eyes at you

Why? I'm clearly townie. Everyone who actually isos me says so.

Creature and Lucy are just blindly following a player they know they shouldn't. Go count how many times it's been pointed out to Creature that Mac didn't even scumread Anne but he just stiffly gripping the Jack/Anne wolfread "cause Mac said so." Idk about Lucy but that's not town Creature. Town Creature actually has his own reads and they're actually good and based on things.

And then Pxxy doesn't scumread me at all.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

I wolfread you and anne independently of Mac at this rate. The way the Lilypetal wagon happened was pretty bad and anne seems to be hard wolfsiding here.

Arguments that are all just the same thing "Lily was a bad wagon, get Jack for it". That's been Creature's entire day today.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:16 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:52 pm @Schiavetto help me yeet Creature.

@DrWilgy and @falcon45ca and @pyxxy

By our powers combined, we can avoid another tragedy for the MafiaSyndicate Universe.

This doesn't help your case. You seem uninterested to solve.

This post feels gross. It's a complete discredit where I don't think a discredit belongs when Jack has actually been here today.

Like none of Creature's posts I think go into actual discussion with Jack today. It's also like the Rondo NK was completely ignored for purposes outside of killing Jack which I already pointed out seems in disagreement with the gif poster's PoE.

And maybe I'm screaming at the wind just because of how ick this Jack yeet feels, but I still really don't like it. Creature's ISO did nothing but further that feeling.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:08 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:05 pm Why are you all trying too damn hard to save Jack? Is there any good reason to townread him or are you all just afraid of possibly mislynching a strong player?

I've stated a lot of reasons to wolfread Jack even non-Mac related reasons. I have yet to see an actual reason to townread Jack that is not "jAcK iS pRoBaBlY tOwN".

The Lilypetal wagon grew with little to no resistance and afair Jack was leading until like 8 players were piled on Lilypetal.

Even with Jack being the counterwagon to a mislynch and the optimacy of solving counterwagons to mislynch, it feels like it's pretty damn hard to get anyone to vote Jack.

It just doesn't make sense with Rondo dying, and I'm partial to believing your read on Jack at this point.

The points that I've seen are mostly Lily wagon related, which I've already pointed out are moot, and then Mac legacy related which I'm not sure about.

None of the lines of play today point to Jack being wolf.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:19 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:11 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:08 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:05 pm Why are you all trying too damn hard to save Jack? Is there any good reason to townread him or are you all just afraid of possibly mislynching a strong player?

I've stated a lot of reasons to wolfread Jack even non-Mac related reasons. I have yet to see an actual reason to townread Jack that is not "jAcK iS pRoBaBlY tOwN".

The Lilypetal wagon grew with little to no resistance and afair Jack was leading until like 8 players were piled on Lilypetal.

Even with Jack being the counterwagon to a mislynch and the optimacy of solving counterwagons to mislynch, it feels like it's pretty damn hard to get anyone to vote Jack.

It just doesn't make sense with Rondo dying, and I'm partial to believing your read on Jack at this point.

The points that I've seen are mostly Lily wagon related, which I've already pointed out are moot, and then Mac legacy related which I'm not sure about.

None of the lines of play today point to Jack being wolf.

I'm pretty sure Jack literally watched Rondo demolish two wolves in King of the Hill so Jack has good reasons to fearkill Rondo. I don't think Jack nightkills me here because I get mislynched a lot and often tinfoil my own reads. There's no way you can townread Jack from a common nightkill.

It's more than the nightkill, it's the momentum of the game. The game immediately today went into a wagon on Jack and that's pretty much it. There's been no solving around it, the wagon just exists and has stuck.

Also NK analysis always seems to get discredited for some reason. Rondo was literally posting gifs. You've posted as to why you weren't NK'd fine, but there's Nook and Seanzie, and Seanzie is about as cleared as can be.

I g2g now, [VOTE: Creature] aubergine may be on via mobile, but we'll see. Site's been real FONKY on my phone and I have like 10 posts left.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:47 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:26 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:01 pm Dead air, dead villager. I'm not seeing much push back on a Wilgy lynch, Jack was thrashing by comparison

Jack and Wilgy were the ones thrashing, and Jack's dead. If Wilgy is a hit, then they are likely demotivated, so won't be thrashing, and the final wolf would only thrash if they were in a bad spot since in a wolf!Wilgy world, the fourth wolf being deep is their only chance at success right now.

Sorry, you feel Wilgy was thrashy? Are there some posts specifically that you can point to?

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:39 pm also imagine having schia as a top town read in that scenario lol

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:42 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:32 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:33 pm how long are you going to use that stale argument before you're just a wolf, Creature?

tbh.

also yeah Falcon could be mafia.

my top townreads are now Wilgy/Schiavetto/Anne/Jack.

B)

obscurity wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:54 pm and yeah my thought on jack is he will flip town but i don't oppose his flip if only to advance the game at this point.

It was you I was thinking of. You weren't pushing for Creature like Wilgy was, but I remember this post now. You're all like "Creature might be wolf" then Lucy voted Jack and you were like "uhh... maybe not". As if you WANTED WANTED WANTED to push Creature but you were more worried about your thread positioning than you should be.

And yeah, you definitely tried to save Jack.

Bad.

Obscurity has high deepwolf potential. Not worth going for today, but they should not be given a pass moving forward.

it was an ephemeral thought i had but legit 10 minutes later i was like "creature still town, NVM" which was hours before EOD; + where did i try to save jack? pretty strongly was okay with him flipping all day.

i don't think it's unreasonable to assume i could be a deepwolf though, so fair enough. i'd like to think for the amount of effort i've put into this game i could've pretty easily saved jack if we were partners (or otherwise taken a strong stance against him and been ubercleared) rather than a lameass "welp he'll prob flip town but let's flip him" but i don't think it's unreasonable to tinfoil.

Continually saying that you think Jack is town is trying to save Jack, regardless of how many times you also say something like "but I'm okay with him flipping".

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:22 am

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:57 am There's one in Wilgy or pyxxy, leaning Wilgy for creature-y reasons. But it's definitely not omgus.

why do you think one in these two specifically? also does anyone have a link to the great Pyxxy wolf game that's been mentioned a couple times?

also if Neon's best wolf game was the one she linked on Mafiauniverse, she's probably town here.. she barely posted in comparison and seems completely different. i couldn't figure out how to ISO on the other site though.

anne wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:27 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:23 pm

anne wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:15 pm wilgy's recent posts were kinda meh so he can die, neon prolly closer to townie than not atp

elaborate?

he just provides a poe, promises to iso later, votes neon for lame-o reasons. i guess if he comes back and actually isos those people and goes more in-depth it's not as bad, but his content is just posting because he's being pressured to, not because he believes the stuff coming out of his mouth