The Syndicate

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:13 pm I came into today thinking Lorax is basically cleared. Is she not? If not, why?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:18 am I think @DrWilgy should be in charge like jjj said

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:18 am I think @DrWilgy should be in charge like jjj said

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:15 am [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Goodnight.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:10 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:18 am I think @DrWilgy should be in charge like jjj said

no

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 3:04 am rondo, you wanna be in charge?

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 3:04 am i need a strong man to tell me what to do uwu

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:51 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:50 pm In Darlings favor I said repeatedly in thread that LoRab was a rabbi, it’s Channukah, I follow her socials and she’s been very busy. Darling could easily have picked it up from the thread.

so, what reads do you have missy?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:35 am

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:51 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:50 pm In Darlings favor I said repeatedly in thread that LoRab was a rabbi, it’s Channukah, I follow her socials and she’s been very busy. Darling could easily have picked it up from the thread.

so, what reads do you have missy?

Aw you called me missy

I'm gonna be honest; I got totally derailed Day One for the somewhat (from my POV) overreaction to my thoughts on Scotty. Who popped up doing a Tasmanian Devil whirling dervish imitation around me every time I mentioned his name. In the post that I said I didn't want to talk about it, he popped up and called my post 'garbage' (I saw what Jay said about how it prolly was just the insanifier, but come on. Lots of words in that post, and all his posts, were clear and game related). I have never seen so much over reaction to a day one observation that wasn't even a suspicion.

I agree that we are unpaired, lol.

I am having problems getting out of the OMGUS thing, so I'm happy to look into jays POE, and the LoRab voters. I think voting for her at all was kinda icky, and wagoning her was double icky., especially when most of Michelles posts her last day were pretty sketch.

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:38 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:35 am

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:51 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:50 pm In Darlings favor I said repeatedly in thread that LoRab was a rabbi, it’s Channukah, I follow her socials and she’s been very busy. Darling could easily have picked it up from the thread.

so, what reads do you have missy?

Aw you called me missy

I'm gonna be honest; I got totally derailed Day One for the somewhat (from my POV) overreaction to my thoughts on Scotty. Who popped up doing a Tasmanian Devil whirling dervish imitation around me every time I mentioned his name. In the post that I said I didn't want to talk about it, he popped up and called my post 'garbage' (I saw what Jay said about how it prolly was just the insanifier, but come on. Lots of words in that post, and all his posts, were clear and game related). I have never seen so much over reaction to a day one observation that wasn't even a suspicion.

I agree that we are unpaired, lol.

I am having problems getting out of the OMGUS thing, so I'm happy to look into jays POE, and the LoRab voters. I think voting for her at all was kinda icky, and wagoning her was double icky., especially when most of Michelles posts her last day were pretty sketch.

now tell me something i don’t know

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:48 am

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:38 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:35 am

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:51 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:50 pm In Darlings favor I said repeatedly in thread that LoRab was a rabbi, it’s Channukah, I follow her socials and she’s been very busy. Darling could easily have picked it up from the thread.

so, what reads do you have missy?

Aw you called me missy

I'm gonna be honest; I got totally derailed Day One for the somewhat (from my POV) overreaction to my thoughts on Scotty. Who popped up doing a Tasmanian Devil whirling dervish imitation around me every time I mentioned his name. In the post that I said I didn't want to talk about it, he popped up and called my post 'garbage' (I saw what Jay said about how it prolly was just the insanifier, but come on. Lots of words in that post, and all his posts, were clear and game related). I have never seen so much over reaction to a day one observation that wasn't even a suspicion.

I agree that we are unpaired, lol.

I am having problems getting out of the OMGUS thing, so I'm happy to look into jays POE, and the LoRab voters. I think voting for her at all was kinda icky, and wagoning her was double icky., especially when most of Michelles posts her last day were pretty sketch.

now tell me something i don’t know

Well, I seem to recall you telling me at some point that you know everything, or aspire to, so no bet. I'll try harder.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:35 am

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:51 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:50 pm In Darlings favor I said repeatedly in thread that LoRab was a rabbi, it’s Channukah, I follow her socials and she’s been very busy. Darling could easily have picked it up from the thread.

so, what reads do you have missy?

Aw you called me missy

I'm gonna be honest; I got totally derailed Day One for the somewhat (from my POV) overreaction to my thoughts on Scotty. Who popped up doing a Tasmanian Devil whirling dervish imitation around me every time I mentioned his name. In the post that I said I didn't want to talk about it, he popped up and called my post 'garbage' (I saw what Jay said about how it prolly was just the insanifier, but come on. Lots of words in that post, and all his posts, were clear and game related). I have never seen so much over reaction to a day one observation that wasn't even a suspicion.

I agree that we are unpaired, lol.

I am having problems getting out of the OMGUS thing, so I'm happy to look into jays POE, and the LoRab voters. I think voting for her at all was kinda icky, and wagoning her was double icky., especially when most of Michelles posts her last day were pretty sketch.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:56 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:55 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:54 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:42 pm town (unordered)
wigly
dm
bereft
cape
rondo

rest

How the fuck am I not town lol

how'd you arrive at michelle towny asf to michelle wolf in like 10 minutes

That should be pretty easy to figure out with some critical thinking and me saying I'm confused about 300 times

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:58 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:57 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:56 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:55 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:54 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:42 pm town (unordered)
wigly
dm
bereft
cape
rondo

rest

How the fuck am I not town lol

how'd you arrive at michelle towny asf to michelle wolf in like 10 minutes

That should be pretty easy to figure out with some critical thinking and me saying I'm confused about 300 times

it's not, besides bereft what townreads and scumreads do you have

Well I have a readslist most of it didn't change except for the very fucking obvious reason I realized michelle was a wolf

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:16 pm @Scotty what are your reads, and welcome back

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:17 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:36 pm I have laid out reasons why these six players are town:

robyn, Bereft, DrWilgy, DarlingMonroe, RondoDimBuckle, and Cape90

If I am wrong about any of those, my entire process tumbles. I'd be grateful to hear of any disagreement from anyone. If those town reads are correct, then it leaves the POE of seven names I mentioned earlier. That's one more than a game-winning POE pool would allow for (six players). On that basis, I'd also love to hear everyone's top town read in this pile:

ts account, Scotty, S~V~S, LoRab, Michelle, Thunal, Abigail

full disclosure i'm outright sheeping jjj today

Scotty can go but I dont think Scotty is the one we are looking for

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:18 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:14 pm Shit it cut me off

I was gonna say it’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood

I’m not around much until a bit later tomorrow but I just wanna say- good job on Michelle. I have a lot to say in regards to the end of D1 now that we know Michelle’s alignment. D2 is helpful too, in that I think we had some absolute bus drivers

But for now:
Rondo and Thunal didn’t think I had a stroke, and that in and of itself is suspect

this is bullshit, I read the setup. Its 80% likely they shoot their shot night 1 to draw focus away from or try to shield a wolf

Bereft wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:20 pm I mean, neon's claim of why Mich is town may be verifiable, and in the case that it is verifiable, you can simply, ya know, take it.

ts account wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:27 pm https://tenor.com/view/ted-lasso-1x01-hey-gif-20619787

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:17 am

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:16 pm @Scotty what are your reads, and welcome back

I was never gone, I was just still playing Severance apparently

Town:
Robyn/caps

Everyone else I’ll dive into today:

First impressions?
Rondo is top of my list- the ‘will he or won’t he’ playstyle has revolved around EoD- it feels like he’s been most active then, to bounce around between very odd candidates, and I’m not even sure why he ends where he does. Did he ultimately end on Michelle? Yep. But rewarding him cred for that is like giving the Medal of Honor to a cat for finally catching a laser pointer. Scum

Abbi is a tinfoil as well based on weird declarative statements at end of day and how she settled on Michelle like we should understand what the Ouiji board told her to do. Is this how a wolf Abbi operates? I dunno, never seen it. But it’s weird. Light scum.

Thunal had some bizarre stuff going on around the mich flip in hindsight. Ngl when I got on and thunal specifically told me to vote Lorab over Michelle was an influence for sure. Add on that she has had a tinfoil I’ve been acting silly on purpose just reeks of agenda with a Mich flip. Scumlean

Bereft is the most likely deepwolf candidate and I still suspect him for association with the big talkers without content I remember. Light scum

Wilgy looks good based on how adamant he was to voting a cogent player on D1 and looks great with a Mich wolf flip. He could be aggressively bussing, which I remember someone (Abbi?) recently said he did in a game as wolf, but I just kinda don’t see it, especially in the context of how everyone else voted. Townread

Lorab feels town based on wagon comp.

SVS is still just in the background and I don’t even remember what she posted yesterday. She’s still firmly in my POE and I have faith I’ll figure her out from her ISO today. Light scum

So current POE to be trimmed: rondo/abbi/thunal/bereft/SVS

I think JJJ’s reads are pretty solid, but not infallible. Using those as a blueprint is probably a good idea, but ima work today to come to my own conclusions independently.

ts account wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:36 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:34 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:34 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:30 pm lol, hello ts account, do you have an MU account?

yeah I'm Mikey

mikey who

last I checked there's only one mikey
I've phased out of mafia for a while tho, signed up here out of sheer boredom and wondered how some of the old folks like JJJ, Sloonei, Macdougall, etc were doing

ts account wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:39 pm iirc, the iso meta here is big, so if you wanted to know who I am for the sake of that, here's a link to my profile https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/me ... -NSM-Mikey

this is old, of course, and my meta as of late has shifted a bit toward tryharding as wolf and skimming as town

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:56 pm I... kinda probs just vote Scotty today though I think the gimmick posting was wolf on wolf fr

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:19 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:13 pm I came into today thinking Lorax is basically cleared. Is she not? If not, why?

i don't think she is tbh, but also not inclined to chop her, i think the town shot should be on her

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:46 pm SVS / LoRab / ts account is where i am at for remaining wolves

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:56 pm I don't have a lot of time for the game this phase and I won't dig into analysis until tomorrow.

I think I should listen more to JJJ and other people I trust in the future. I sometimes have a problem with being too prideful and trusting my process over anyone else's, but I think Michelle was a case where I really should have listened more to other people's input.

I wouldn't vote LoRab today. I have some tinfoil that Michelle's push on LoRab was weak because they were teammates but I feel like there would be a wolf-driven counter if the wagons were w/w and near EoD there was nobody who resisted both LoRab and Michelle afaik. I also feel like Michelle may not have pushed LoRab at all if they were w/w.

I think at least one mafia ended up on LoRab but I doubt they all did.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:35 am

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:51 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:50 pm In Darlings favor I said repeatedly in thread that LoRab was a rabbi, it’s Channukah, I follow her socials and she’s been very busy. Darling could easily have picked it up from the thread.

so, what reads do you have missy?

Aw you called me missy

I'm gonna be honest; I got totally derailed Day One for the somewhat (from my POV) overreaction to my thoughts on Scotty. Who popped up doing a Tasmanian Devil whirling dervish imitation around me every time I mentioned his name. In the post that I said I didn't want to talk about it, he popped up and called my post 'garbage' (I saw what Jay said about how it prolly was just the insanifier, but come on. Lots of words in that post, and all his posts, were clear and game related). I have never seen so much over reaction to a day one observation that wasn't even a suspicion.

I agree that we are unpaired, lol.

I am having problems getting out of the OMGUS thing, so I'm happy to look into jays POE, and the LoRab voters. I think voting for her at all was kinda icky, and wagoning her was double icky., especially when most of Michelles posts her last day were pretty sketch.

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:36 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:17 am

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:16 pm @Scotty what are your reads, and welcome back

I was never gone, I was just still playing Severance apparently

Town:
Robyn/caps

Everyone else I’ll dive into today:

First impressions?
Rondo is top of my list- the ‘will he or won’t he’ playstyle has revolved around EoD- it feels like he’s been most active then, to bounce around between very odd candidates, and I’m not even sure why he ends where he does. Did he ultimately end on Michelle? Yep. But rewarding him cred for that is like giving the Medal of Honor to a cat for finally catching a laser pointer. Scum

Abbi is a tinfoil as well based on weird declarative statements at end of day and how she settled on Michelle like we should understand what the Ouiji board told her to do. Is this how a wolf Abbi operates? I dunno, never seen it. But it’s weird. Light scum.

Thunal had some bizarre stuff going on around the mich flip in hindsight. Ngl when I got on and thunal specifically told me to vote Lorab over Michelle was an influence for sure. Add on that she has had a tinfoil I’ve been acting silly on purpose just reeks of agenda with a Mich flip. Scumlean

Bereft is the most likely deepwolf candidate and I still suspect him for association with the big talkers without content I remember. Light scum

Wilgy looks good based on how adamant he was to voting a cogent player on D1 and looks great with a Mich wolf flip. He could be aggressively bussing, which I remember someone (Abbi?) recently said he did in a game as wolf, but I just kinda don’t see it, especially in the context of how everyone else voted. Townread

Lorab feels town based on wagon comp.

SVS is still just in the background and I don’t even remember what she posted yesterday. She’s still firmly in my POE and I have faith I’ll figure her out from her ISO today. Light scum

So current POE to be trimmed: rondo/abbi/thunal/bereft/SVS

I think JJJ’s reads are pretty solid, but not infallible. Using those as a blueprint is probably a good idea, but ima work today to come to my own conclusions independently.

holy crap you’re all turned around and idk if this makes u town or wolf

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:06 pm can we just lynch one of SVS/LoRab/ts account today pretty please?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:24 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:06 am @Michelle as your time permits, I think the absolute best thing you could provide are your impressions of these people (maybe from an ISO skim):

S~V~S, LoRab, Scotty, Abigail

or any subset of them if you don't have time

I read zero SVS posts,
Lorad same,
Scotty posts coloured like parrot feathers and i have little understanding for the meaning of what I read, idk what to do but I'd say he seems to try a solve so it's more towny than not
Abigail had yday weak posts and Idk if she improved by now or she hit any of her town notes.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 11:34 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:21 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:06 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:43 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:26 pm [VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it

Not town

I concur

Explain

You were the counter wagon d1, a silly looking vote doesn't look good in that light.

I feel that I should have a more clear means of knowing your headspace given how much traction you had and that's just not the case. I will review your more recent stuff, but as it stands when I saw this it felt almost in confirmation of the d1 wagon.

I had traction for low activity.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:01 pm @Michelle I've reviewed and still think that my vote on you makes sense for reasons I've stated previously. Allow me to explain more precisely on some things.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:51 pm You force me to self press on Sean

This post was the first indication of you desiring to place a vote anywhere, it wasn't caused by hunting but a justification of a vote that needed none as there was nothing to justify against.

It's not like you had stated "I want to vote X but you force me to vote Y" where the justification would've made sense.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:26 pm [VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it

Your next indication of vote/suspicion was more silliness and this was in spite of being a d1 counter wagon that you were cognisant of.

Following this, I've still not seen a legitimate suspicion or signs of hunting from your slot. You seem mostly fixated on Jay (which is fine, I too am fixated on Jay for other reasons) but there's nothing besides that present.

EOD1 wagons were on me vs zero poster and SVS iirc, and I only knew my alignament so I self pressed.
Why Sean? I know he would never leave the Poe, as absent slot all day long.
Also people were pushing for him.
Is that the reason you are voting me?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:36 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:27 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:59 am Rondo all that “keeping me in check” is omgusing my suspicions after giving me the easiest town read I have ever received.

what do you mean by this? You clearly don't think Thunal is super towny unless i am misinterpreting what you are saying

I was referring to Michelle in that comment. Rondo made an argument for why Michelle's responses to me at EOD1 were towny, and that was my counter.

Your conclusion was and is rushed and limited by the fact I didn't have time to explain it at all.
I started to play 5 years ago as noob player, with low English reading/writing skills, but with a life experience who let me the possibility to understand things unspoken behind the words. It felt thrilling to find words to defend myself while I was accused of being the bad guy. As mafia, I didn't even have to do much because my mafia rands were not many so my start in forum mafia was to be villager again and again.
My homie who restarted the mafia section in our forum sent me to MU to play the Mentor mentee game in january 2019. My mentor is a legendary player and he mentored me after playing 12 years of mafia.
I was always paranoid playing with Momstrman, he is now retired, maybe turbo-ing from time to time, but at one moment I learned to read him by a small trick.
Because he is retired and also because he is not a Syndicate regular I can tell you about this trick, otherwise I hate to show my shortcuts for reading someone.
My mentor was always mentoring town when he was town giving advice for the play in general. As mafia he wasn't doing it. And I started to notice that at other very strong players as well.
You were doing it in our finale game and your start here made me write that post because I considered your advice useful for town.
I don't even believe it's the easiest town read you ever had. It's just a take I posted to see what feedback I receive from it. You speculated the rest. Made from it more than it was, imaginated the omgua when I said it's not set in stone.
A read made by game experience can be a bad or a good read, and i am always starting somewhere where an idea pops in my head, which is exactly what I did with the town read on you.

I think this comes from a town mindset. It's one of those things where most mafia don't even think that in depth about that kind of read.

I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:59 pm I would very much love to hear reads on Bereft and robyn from @S~V~S, @DrWilgy, @LoRab, @Michelle, and anyone else that hasn’t recently stated them. That’ll be nice for me to assess the general game state. Thanks.

Robyn had a town core of Cape and Bereft. A simple stance and I didn't notice anyone to say something against it. At the time I had a thought and I don't want to give it away but I wouldn't vote any of them.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:01 pm I will note that, historically, some of my worst town games from the standpoint of having decent reads have been games plagued with inactivity — as this one is. So no matter how much work I have done, I am still thinking over everything and I still value everyone’s input.

I am sorry, weekends should be time out from mafia. At least Sundays.
I will be active, pinky promise!

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:28 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:26 pm At this point, willing to switch Scotty for really exploding my confusion with LC and LC to its max potential.

Did you answer my question?
How many games you played with Long Con?
You said he sems towny in this game, can you explain more?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:11 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:09 pm Nah, twirl that. I don’t have flightplan to detail back 8 popsicles so I’m gonna presume a few noodlebrains:

-Rainbow is laughing JJJ as OMGUS
-JJJ is juicing Rainbow as a margarine vote. I’m optional to trail his chimney atm because he courted pretty mundane end of resistance in my reread
-Rondo is voting JJJ because Rondo
-Flutterby is froglegs for [reasons]
-no fence new has laughed in

Am I tired yet?

Who are you and what you did with Scotty?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:38 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:31 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:29 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:23 pm if anyone accepts me as town, they must accept bereft and cape as town too. that’s simply how it works this time around. my reads are top tier

Is this the consensus town core?

mostly yes, only 2 detractors i believe

It's ok to consider it consensus then, I remember Bereft as a top TR of Jay from yday, and I know I liked your post. Idk about Cape, our interactions were not enough to make a good read, but I will check his Iso asap

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:46 am

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:59 pm Can we go back to being all chummy and acting like the game's over like we were yesterday when it wasn't even, 'cause the game's not gonna suddenly become more exciting. And I'm saying this knowing that I'm going to be the one around when we're down 2-3 mafia.

This looks a perspective slip but since robyn said so convinced they're in town core that means there's something else and I think I get it

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:24 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:06 am @Michelle as your time permits, I think the absolute best thing you could provide are your impressions of these people (maybe from an ISO skim):

S~V~S, LoRab, Scotty, Abigail

or any subset of them if you don't have time

I read zero SVS posts,
Lorad same,
Scotty posts coloured like parrot feathers and i have little understanding for the meaning of what I read, idk what to do but I'd say he seems to try a solve so it's more towny than not
Abigail had yday weak posts and Idk if she improved by now or she hit any of her town notes.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 11:34 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:21 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:06 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:43 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:26 pm [VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it

Not town

I concur

Explain

You were the counter wagon d1, a silly looking vote doesn't look good in that light.

I feel that I should have a more clear means of knowing your headspace given how much traction you had and that's just not the case. I will review your more recent stuff, but as it stands when I saw this it felt almost in confirmation of the d1 wagon.

I had traction for low activity.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:01 pm @Michelle I've reviewed and still think that my vote on you makes sense for reasons I've stated previously. Allow me to explain more precisely on some things.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:51 pm You force me to self press on Sean

This post was the first indication of you desiring to place a vote anywhere, it wasn't caused by hunting but a justification of a vote that needed none as there was nothing to justify against.

It's not like you had stated "I want to vote X but you force me to vote Y" where the justification would've made sense.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:26 pm [VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it

Your next indication of vote/suspicion was more silliness and this was in spite of being a d1 counter wagon that you were cognisant of.

Following this, I've still not seen a legitimate suspicion or signs of hunting from your slot. You seem mostly fixated on Jay (which is fine, I too am fixated on Jay for other reasons) but there's nothing besides that present.

EOD1 wagons were on me vs zero poster and SVS iirc, and I only knew my alignament so I self pressed.
Why Sean? I know he would never leave the Poe, as absent slot all day long.
Also people were pushing for him.
Is that the reason you are voting me?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:36 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:27 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:59 am Rondo all that “keeping me in check” is omgusing my suspicions after giving me the easiest town read I have ever received.

what do you mean by this? You clearly don't think Thunal is super towny unless i am misinterpreting what you are saying

I was referring to Michelle in that comment. Rondo made an argument for why Michelle's responses to me at EOD1 were towny, and that was my counter.

Your conclusion was and is rushed and limited by the fact I didn't have time to explain it at all.
I started to play 5 years ago as noob player, with low English reading/writing skills, but with a life experience who let me the possibility to understand things unspoken behind the words. It felt thrilling to find words to defend myself while I was accused of being the bad guy. As mafia, I didn't even have to do much because my mafia rands were not many so my start in forum mafia was to be villager again and again.
My homie who restarted the mafia section in our forum sent me to MU to play the Mentor mentee game in january 2019. My mentor is a legendary player and he mentored me after playing 12 years of mafia.
I was always paranoid playing with Momstrman, he is now retired, maybe turbo-ing from time to time, but at one moment I learned to read him by a small trick.
Because he is retired and also because he is not a Syndicate regular I can tell you about this trick, otherwise I hate to show my shortcuts for reading someone.
My mentor was always mentoring town when he was town giving advice for the play in general. As mafia he wasn't doing it. And I started to notice that at other very strong players as well.
You were doing it in our finale game and your start here made me write that post because I considered your advice useful for town.
I don't even believe it's the easiest town read you ever had. It's just a take I posted to see what feedback I receive from it. You speculated the rest. Made from it more than it was, imaginated the omgua when I said it's not set in stone.
A read made by game experience can be a bad or a good read, and i am always starting somewhere where an idea pops in my head, which is exactly what I did with the town read on you.

I think this comes from a town mindset. It's one of those things where most mafia don't even think that in depth about that kind of read.

I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:59 pm I would very much love to hear reads on Bereft and robyn from @S~V~S, @DrWilgy, @LoRab, @Michelle, and anyone else that hasn’t recently stated them. That’ll be nice for me to assess the general game state. Thanks.

Robyn had a town core of Cape and Bereft. A simple stance and I didn't notice anyone to say something against it. At the time I had a thought and I don't want to give it away but I wouldn't vote any of them.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:01 pm I will note that, historically, some of my worst town games from the standpoint of having decent reads have been games plagued with inactivity — as this one is. So no matter how much work I have done, I am still thinking over everything and I still value everyone’s input.

I am sorry, weekends should be time out from mafia. At least Sundays.
I will be active, pinky promise!

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:42 pm i am 100% certain he is town, willing to stake the game on it, if we were in lylo i snap the other person instantly

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:49 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:42 pm i am 100% certain he is town, willing to stake the game on it, if we were in lylo i snap the other person instantly

I’m not looking to vote there today anyway, but robyn, you must understand that all it takes is one time to be wrong to invalidate yourself every time you make a binary read like this.

I cannot state enough how your godread on Ilario in severance was utterly wrong. Your apple basket has holes, and you can’t catch them all.

*WHY* is bereft town, if you can explain it in more words than ‘he’s town’ please?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:55 pm Lorab doesn't have many posts, but the impression is she is a great person fighting for a heart breaking cause.

From a mafia Pov she didn't accept someone trusting her, saying she is more comfy with being scum read.
This is psychologically interesting because mafia would want to not lead the way by saying 'trust me' only to have a mischop, and it helps the player to positiom themselves in the null part of the reads which is a good spot for mafia to be in. This, for me, is suspicious.

She explained in a wall the playstyle of the old Syndicate community who made me approach this site and stay for so many years already, enjoying these games a lot.
But that wall has no alignament indicative value for me, just explains she has a different playstyle.

The biggest game related post is a reads wall with a couple of town reads and the explanation of why she doesn't believe in reads lists. Again this gives me the impressions of avoidance and it's wolfy.

Conclusion: I understand why she is in the Poe and I agree with the votes on the slot.

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:51 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:49 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:42 pm i am 100% certain he is town, willing to stake the game on it, if we were in lylo i snap the other person instantly

I’m not looking to vote there today anyway, but robyn, you must understand that all it takes is one time to be wrong to invalidate yourself every time you make a binary read like this.

I cannot state enough how your godread on Ilario in severance was utterly wrong. Your apple basket has holes, and you can’t catch them all.

*WHY* is bereft town, if you can explain it in more words than ‘he’s town’ please?

wasn't wrong on illario there

not wrong on bereft here

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:25 am i have read illario’s posts, he’s locktown, cape/brad town too

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:52 pm bereft town here 1000000%