Re: Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 5]
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:36 pm
@DrWilgy why are you currently voting Michelle?
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I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:21 pm Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’
In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.
I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.
Not meVivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:46 pmI‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:21 pm Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’
In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.
I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.
From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.
I didn’t juggle it. Scotty asked me a direct question which I answered.Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:46 pmI‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:21 pm Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’
In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.
I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.
From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.
Fine, that clears the intent. What do you think makes wilgy town and why is quin a better lim over michelle ?Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:01 pmI didn’t juggle it. Scotty asked me a direct question which I answered.Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:46 pmI‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:21 pm Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’
In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.
I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.
From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.
Well, I certainly don’t know why Wilgy is voting Michelle. It doesn’t look like a save, and tbh none of Wilgy’s votes have looked like saves. Neither has Quin, who seems to make a habit of finding offwagon vanity votesGolden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:04 pm Also there’s two votes on me, both of which might be coming from a scum perspective, one of whom is my prime suspect. And literally only me voting Quin. It’s a rather philosophical question to ask if I think *michelle* is an attempted save under those circumstances.
Mate it’s less than 24 hours into the day and I have 3 kids, church, and a job that doesn’t sleep.Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:11 pmFine, that clears the intent. What do you think makes wilgy town and why is quin a better lim over michelle ?Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:01 pmI didn’t juggle it. Scotty asked me a direct question which I answered.Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:46 pmI‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:21 pm Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’
In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.
I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.
From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.
You seem comfortable with voting Quin over the choice of your townreads (assuming DF is still one)
Quin is voting you, Michelle wagon should concern you both, or not?
@Michelle You’ve been in the thread since, but you still haven’t addressed ‘what all happened’ yesterday. Would love some input por favorMichelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:07 amI was RL busy so all the night passed without analysis from me. Any info helps when I back read so the fact Kate was the NK hence town, is important. Not for the Bea mischop but for the game state
Why though?Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:07 pmMostly I taste of coffee and cigarettes I‘d wager.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:55 pmWhat does your squinting taste like? Salty wolf fur?
Also I think that Eloh's point towards Bea you quoted above actually tastes pretty strange post Bea flip.
Other times parmesan and olive oil.
Rarely salty but it happens.
Yeah the point towards you summoned visions of eloh/wilgy teams for me.
Me and matahari go all the way back to my first game, grease mafia, in which I made a long case that svs and kate were mafia together, was very wrong, and got lynched for it. I’ve still got the case in a word document on my computer lol.Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:37 pm This elimination is important, but also I think it should be an insightful one that doesn’t make or break the game if we get it wrong.
It’s 8 to 3 most likely. With ML it would be 6 to 3, which is still not Lylo.
I still think Quin is a hit- that would help unlock a few people I think.
Killing DF doesn’t really unlock anything- he doesn’t rightly implicate any one. But he doesn’t appear of town interest.
Our NPC Matahari is currently voting Golden. I don’t know what history they have together, but maybe they know something we don’t on Golden’s meta?
No one should be cleared today and nothing is set in stone
Michelle should've town spewed by now.
This whole time I thought your licks meant you town read people. But eating them because you’re suspicious? Boy do I have a century egg for you to try
So why do you think Matahari might be operating from a scum perspective?Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:04 pm Also there’s two votes on me, both of which might be coming from a scum perspective, one of whom is my prime suspect. And literally only me voting Quin. It’s a rather philosophical question to ask if I think *michelle* is an attempted save under those circumstances.
It was you who previously set me straight on this power when I misread it! The person can choose to go with the target or with the mafia.Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:57 pmSo why do you think Matahari might be operating from a scum perspective?Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:04 pm Also there’s two votes on me, both of which might be coming from a scum perspective, one of whom is my prime suspect. And literally only me voting Quin. It’s a rather philosophical question to ask if I think *michelle* is an attempted save under those circumstances.
I’ve had no reason to believe yet that they would be operating as such, unless scum were losing badly and NPC’s wanted to keep the tides balanced
You obviously know Matahari well. First game and all. Do you think she would choose the baddies?Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:11 pmIt was you who previously set me straight on this power when I misread it! The person can choose to go with the target or with the mafia.Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:57 pmSo why do you think Matahari might be operating from a scum perspective?Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:04 pm Also there’s two votes on me, both of which might be coming from a scum perspective, one of whom is my prime suspect. And literally only me voting Quin. It’s a rather philosophical question to ask if I think *michelle* is an attempted save under those circumstances.
I’ve had no reason to believe yet that they would be operating as such, unless scum were losing badly and NPC’s wanted to keep the tides balanced
I don’t have a good sense of what she’d pick.S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:20 pmYou obviously know Matahari well. First game and all. Do you think she would choose the baddies?Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:11 pmIt was you who previously set me straight on this power when I misread it! The person can choose to go with the target or with the mafia.Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:57 pmSo why do you think Matahari might be operating from a scum perspective?Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:04 pm Also there’s two votes on me, both of which might be coming from a scum perspective, one of whom is my prime suspect. And literally only me voting Quin. It’s a rather philosophical question to ask if I think *michelle* is an attempted save under those circumstances.
I’ve had no reason to believe yet that they would be operating as such, unless scum were losing badly and NPC’s wanted to keep the tides balanced
Tbh it‘s rather silly reasons, wouldn‘t you agree ?Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:28 am![]()
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If you put."Fingers" instead "her" the sentene is
"Noted how Sig said Finger's Iso doesn't tell much. I will read it too to check that after I come back at hotel"
Now I realise I didn't do that smh
I see the shade in your post, you only pointed my low use of English
That was the term Golden used. This power is for one cycle, right? The NP voter, that’s what the NP Blue role says. It’s the NP choice who to gain BTS with.
The role says: Each night, you target a player. That player’s vote will not count during the following elim poll. Instead, a non-player will be allowed to cast a vote that will count in their place. The non-player will have the choice to gain BTSC with either you or the targeted player for that Day Phase. They may not speak about the game in the thread, but their vote in the poll will count instead of the player you targeted.
Since I have Wilgy, Sloonei and Scotty as villagers my Poe is formed by the rest of the players and i should shrink it to give you 3 but i don't want to guess.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:45 amYou’ve been nondescript. At this point it’s hard to see that you haven’t had a chance to generate some decent reads, but even when you’ve been asked directly you’ve been hedgy.Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:51 amWhy are you fully with her about me?Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:21 amI think perhaps reading the first two days for this where I was present and contributing a lot would be helpful.S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:55 pmWe’ll keep me posted. IMO Golden hasn’t had his own case on anyone, Quin seems to be made of alternating witty and snarky one liners, and Michelle hasn’t had a really solid opinion on anyone. I wanted to put that out there, since I’m doing some reassessing.
I wasn’t around much on D3… although I feel like my case on G-Man was my own and I wasn’t sheeping, in fact since I wasn’t around I don’t actually know what other peoples cases were.
Fully agree I didn’t make my own case on bea, but it didn’t seem necessary.
I would have made a case on Quin yesterday but given where the thread was heading, I chose to wait until today. There was some self-preservation involved there (despite being able to win when dying, I want to play). I think I’m the kind of person who would take a tonne of sus today because people would have thought I was trying to save bea. This is the kind of thing that happens to me.
Fully with you on Michelle as well as Quin though.
I remember Sloonei said something in an interaction with you the other day but he didn't answer my question
I was AFK a lot of time and I am still AFK today because we visit my mother in law out of town but I am back tonight to talk to everyone.
Who are top three most likely to be mafia right now?
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:42 am I am mostly through day 1, and having the knowledge of subsequent deaths is helping me to get a better feel, and regain a bit of confidence. I've always been a "bull in the china shop" type of civvie, and it's a shitty bull that lacks confidence, that isn't how you break china.
@Sloonei I have a MUCH better feel for you, and am going to accept the real possibility that the baddies were trying to paint a baddie target on you. You are definitely more tentative than I recall you being, but then so am I and so are alot of people in this thread. I have seen some stuff in Day 1 in context (this works for me soooo much better than ISO's) and a quick ISO of the time between than and where I came in, during day 3, that clarifies you for me.
Yet ... yet .... you voted for a low poster, and your rationale (not even in your voting post)
I know I will have to make a decision re Golden v. Quin, I have waffly feels re both Golden and Quin. Initially I had this "Baddie! Burn the Baddie!" thing going on in my head re Quin, but then when i realized why, and read him in context, that settled down and stopped coloring my reads. Then while I haven't felt a massively strong read on Golden, two things he's said, when he asked Kate if she was sure of me, then Kate dies that night. Then today, this:
I know it's "Not all about me" (a chasm many mafia players fall into, imo, thinking the thread play revolves around them, and it's a mistake I'm prone to at times). But But this really feels like the baddies knew they had to get rid of the both of us, and I'd be an easier lynch. Planting those seeds, man.
So re those two, I'm still not getting a clear thread on either, but they've swapped spaces in my head canon.
So imma drop a placeholder vote on [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine cause I also think she could be bad. I think her overall ISO is wishy, and reading in context she is self contradictory.
Although I do give her civvie props for the poll shapshots, super useful and a good town look, especially if you are trying to cultivate a town look.
So this is likely to change, as I said, I need to make a choice re Golden/Quin in my own mind.
I voted for pressure not for lynching them. I know I didn't explain much but I guess is pretty obvious
Happened yesterday that everyone was happy to mischop a villager based on a solid case against them.Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:29 pm@Michelle You’ve been in the thread since, but you still haven’t addressed ‘what all happened’ yesterday. Would love some input por favorMichelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:07 amI was RL busy so all the night passed without analysis from me. Any info helps when I back read so the fact Kate was the NK hence town, is important. Not for the Bea mischop but for the game state
Yes but I will not town case myself.Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:39 pmTbh it‘s rather silly reasons, wouldn‘t you agree ?Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:28 am![]()
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If you put."Fingers" instead "her" the sentene is
"Noted how Sig said Finger's Iso doesn't tell much. I will read it too to check that after I come back at hotel"
Now I realise I didn't do that smh
I see the shade in your post, you only pointed my low use of English
Don‘t think I know your scumgame, but you seem to cultivate an unpolarized style.
In which case I like to ask the question: Do you think there‘s anything in your ISO that spells townie for the game ?
Scared of me? You can always kill me again tonite I’d you wantDFaraday wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:47 pm I thought the poll went til 8. I was actually going to change my vote to Bea, but I guess that was the wrong choice anyway. RIP Bea.
I know Scotty is probably the most popular choice to bring back, and I'd be cool with that. I do want FS to have more of a chance though, since she went out so early.
Based on Michelle’s post count an hour before she voted, the vote total looked like this:
Call it whatever you want. He's still bad.
OK, so I've thought a bit more about your last paragraph here, actually tried analysing my perspective and also being open minded on wilgy.Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:46 pmI‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:21 pm Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’
In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.
I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.
From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.
I’m glad you pointed this out RE Wilgy:Golden wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:59 amOK, so I've thought a bit more about your last paragraph here, actually tried analysing my perspective and also being open minded on wilgy.Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:46 pmI‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:21 pm Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’
In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.
I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.
From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.
So, first:
The blatant no u by Quin on me, plus the matahari vote in proximate time frames (from my perspective), feel quite compatible with an attempted start of a save. I do admit that this is a self-centred approach... I've been a mislynch target of baddies often in my career, and Quin also was trying to pretzel me last night - whether genuine or not.
The idea of 'Michelle as save' hadn't yet crossed my mind when you brought it up. It would have eventually, but in the context of me trying to participate on a Sunday morning, I wasn't in deep analysis mode.
SVS didn't appeal to me as a Quin teammate. She was skeeved enough by him echoing me in the thread during the bea lynch that she called him my attorney. My sense of SVS is that she's been fairly consistently suspicious of Quin.
So I went and did a (skim) iso of SVS looking for her mentions of Quin, and I still don't really have reason to feel bad about SVS. Early on she said Quin was a null read, she needed to get on top of that. Then she starting focusing on me, Sloonei & Quin (a focus I think she's never really lost, on any of the three of us). She called us the 'triumverate of content', something which blatantly snubbed scotty. But she explained she was talking about the three she was at best null on. If she's Quin's teammate, she's been distancing for a while. Undoing that with an instant save after a single vote on Quin feels incorrect to me.
Wilgy, rather than isoing him, I focused on his voting patterns. After all, he did do the 'perfect' timing on the G-Man vote. If Wilgy is bad, he's a baddie who is quite comfortable bussing his teammate at the perfect time for cred.
On day one he was one of two votes on me. There were also two votes on Quin, along with the four on each of eloh and sloonei, at the end of the day. I do feel like some analysis of vote order could be valuable.
Wilgy was one of four voters for Quin on a day where LoRab was lynched with 6, and G-Man did play quite a decisive role there in ensuring LoRab went. I had completely forgotten Quin had taken four votes that day, in my head it was DH vs LoRab. If Quin flips wolf, this vote is as well placed for Wilgy as his vote on G-Man is the next day, in terms of town cred.
Then there's the G-Man vote.
Then he's back on Quin on day four.
And now he's not on Quin again.
So actually, in the vote analysis... I'd say a wilgy/quin w/w stacks up as a fair possibility and I really didn't expect to see that going in. It's enough for Wilgy to get put back in the mix.
If I'm wrong about Wilgy and he's a wolf with Quin there's a specific reason why that's going to be very ironic and I'll be kind of annoyed/frustrated with myself again.
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However, I'd also note another possibility.
As of now, 5/11 of players in the game are voting.
That means six are not. I do not think it unlikely that there are wolves in that group, and I continue to feel bothered by the fact that I can't get three of them out of the PoE, even when I feel good about them.
Those three are DF, Michelle and sig.
I would not be at all surprised if both of quin's teammates are in that group, and if so far the only save on me has been from Quin itself.
I think it's worth noting that every one out of G-Man, Quin, DF and sig have voted for me in this game in ways that I would categorise as a 'no u'. That sticks out to me because they've all played with civ me before and they know I'm messy and mislynchable but that I am also perceptive. I didn't think G-Man's no u stood up and to be honest I don't think any of their no u's really stand up (if any one of them does stand up, it's sig's because taking sus while cursed does suck).
I think Wilgy should put his money where his tongue is