DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]

[abyssum]

okay I'm back what new things have developed in the last 10 pages

Hi kyle thanks for being here. We're all just up to our usual tricks, posting this and that. Also Mac slipped but I don't have time to explain it

what.

[MacDougall]

This seems to be the best possible lynch we could have come up with as much as I don't want to lynch a player on day 1 in their first game on the site.

[Tangrowth]

@Tsaiah

Alien is my #1 preferred lynch; Robot is my #2.

Despite my fluctuating reads I don't feel like my reasons on them have changed really from my list about 7 hours ago. Here is the link.

What do you think of Alien and Robot?

I was getting pretty concerned about alien when i left off, and reading Robot slight town

I feel like i'm missing a LOT of relevant data now ><

I'm apologetic to you and everyone for the part I've played in drowning you all out from being more current. I'll be taking a break during the Night. Hopefully you all can better orient yourselves then.

I appreciate your efforts to engage me with your limited time nonetheless.

[MacDougall]

@RobotNerd277 @Russtifinko @sprityo
more thoughts please. We still have 17 minutes.

Errrrr on?

Literally anything. You would be posting a ton if there was pressure on you but you are just coasting and I hate it.

[MacDougall]

@Lunalee why do you think Alien will flip town?

Gut read says they aren't scum. But I haven't read the past few pages, so there may be something I've missed.

Well yeah, I am voting for you.

So you genuinely believe that I am scum based on Jay's case even though he is off of his own case and you've got no other reason to scum read me?

[sprityo]

Here I got one, who is gonna look better and who worse once alien flips?

I’m not sure how much interaction I’ve seen between alien and other players outside of his questions that would indicate alignment

[Lunalee]

@Lunalee why do you think Alien will flip town?

Gut read says they aren't scum. But I haven't read the past few pages, so there may be something I've missed.

Well yeah, I am voting for you.

oops, response was to this:

@Lunalee why do you think Alien will flip town?

Gut read says they aren't scum. But I haven't read the past few pages, so there may be something I've missed.

And you still gut read me Mafia?

[Tangrowth]

This seems to be the best possible lynch we could have come up with as much as I don't want to lynch a player on day 1 in their first game on the site.

Yeah, it feels bad man, but I also feel better about this Day 1 lynch than I have in a while.

And even if it is an ML, I think we've all already put in so much effort already that we can keep this game going in the right direction. We need to stay positive.

I think we are headed somewhere good though.

[ColinIsCool]

I’m suspish of DH.

[Kylemii]

I love you, and please help me is there a web page where abducted alien responded to MP7's case on him? I can't find it

[Tangrowth]

okay I'm back what new things have developed in the last 10 pages

Hi kyle thanks for being here. We're all just up to our usual tricks, posting this and that. Also Mac slipped but I don't have time to explain it

what.

I'm also confused.

[sprityo]

Here I got one, who is gonna look better and who worse once alien flips?

I’m not sure how much interaction I’ve seen between alien and other players outside of his questions that would indicate alignment

[mention]MacDougall[/mention]

[Tangrowth]

Here I got one, who is gonna look better and who worse once alien flips?

I’m not sure how much interaction I’ve seen between alien and other players outside of his questions that would indicate alignment

Why are we doing this now? Seems like a waste of time. Help me understand sprityo.

[abyssum]

i'm switching to Alien. i need to write Robot's bigger recent post and assess it but i don't have the time to fully absorb much at the moment, and i still don't like the Mac lynch

[Infected_alien8_]

Alright, legacy reads as of right now bearing in mind I've missed the past few pages:

Scum: Russ - once I die please go back and read my response to his case against me because it's completely biased and agendary
M Plus 7: my gut is back on him again now after he suspected me trying to catch up and I have no idea how he got to that, and 'player salad', feels like he's just trying to find reasons to suspect me again. Will repeat his dogpees didn't feel genuine to me at all

Probably scum but gut says Town: Mac, reasons same as before, but gut is saying his reactions to my slowly turning against him is Town

Town: Tsiah, Jay, both I love their lines of interrogation and they just seem really Town to me. Aby, her defence of me from Jay felt really genuine trying to figure Jay out and wasn't afraid of splashing herself with what was being thrown my way
I wanna say Luna's town now for her defence of me too

Everyone else has for + againsts that I outlined before, nothing really changed on those

[Tangrowth]

I have to admit I'm the slightest bit worried Luna is scum and TMIing Alien, lol, but I'm going to try to ignore that.

[MacDougall]

@Lunalee

I wanna hear more from you! Specifically, how do you feel about the spirityo v Mac thing? This is a good generic question for anyone to answer, but I've got N O T H I N G on Lunalee so I wanna specifically hear what you have to say.

Hi RobotNerd, thanks for the prompt. I have trouble finding where I should give input in games like this with a lot of experienced players weighing in.

This looks like the post that started it all: A very innocent comment by sprityo about Mac not being actually green on MP's read list.
Here's why MacDougall dislikes sprityo:
Sprityo has avoided heat in ways he probably shouldn't have I want to see examples of this, because I don't see it in sprit's ISO.
sprityo responds to Mac's suspicions by saying "it was a joke" and "I'm bad at mafia"

Then there's Sprit's blow-up post and Mac's reaction to it. At first glance, it honestly looks like two civvs who don't understand each other.

But I can't help but notice how sprityo is reacting to this whole thing. He swings an attack, then immediately backs down, as if hoping to shut it down before Mac can swing back:
swing 1
back-down 1
swing 2
back-down 2

Mac's response to this is steady and forceful. He does not back down. This seems like a more common townie trait. If I had to pick a scum between Mac and Sprityo, I would choose Sprityo.

Early on you had the strongest town read on me of anybody and you flipped from this stance to being so convinced I am bad that your vote remains on me 10 minutes before EOD based on a case that a guy who doesn't even believe it himself made. You were scum reading sprityo. Your flip was extremely jarring and especially your insistence of leaving your vote there right now is especially weird. I'm gonna come back to this tomorrow if I live.

[sprityo]

Here I got one, who is gonna look better and who worse once alien flips?

I’m not sure how much interaction I’ve seen between alien and other players outside of his questions that would indicate alignment

Why are we doing this now? Seems like a waste of time. Help me understand sprityo.

Mac asked for anything MP

Is this not something?

Where is the waste in time if it hasn’t been done yet? I am a personal fan of vote analysis

[Tangrowth]

I’m suspish of DH.

Tell me more.

[Lunalee]

@Lunalee why do you think Alien will flip town?

Gut read says they aren't scum. But I haven't read the past few pages, so there may be something I've missed.

And you still gut read me Mafia?

Well yeah, I am voting for you.

So you genuinely believe that I am scum based on Jay's case even though he is off of his own case and you've got no other reason to scum read me?

No, I never "genuinely" believe anyone is scum until they flip scum. You just looked like the best lynch option today because of your suspicious TH bussing.

[MacDougall]

Alright, legacy reads as of right now bearing in mind I've missed the past few pages:

Scum: Russ - once I die please go back and read my response to his case against me because it's completely biased and agendary
M Plus 7: my gut is back on him again now after he suspected me trying to catch up and I have no idea how he got to that, and 'player salad', feels like he's just trying to find reasons to suspect me again. Will repeat his dogpees didn't feel genuine to me at all

Probably scum but gut says Town: Mac, reasons same as before, but gut is saying his reactions to my slowly turning against him is Town

Town: Tsiah, Jay, both I love their lines of interrogation and they just seem really Town to me. Aby, her defence of me from Jay felt really genuine trying to figure Jay out and wasn't afraid of splashing herself with what was being thrown my way
I wanna say Luna's town now for her defence of me too

Everyone else has for + againsts that I outlined before, nothing really changed on those

He just described his own behaviour as slowly turning against me and thinks that my response to it is town. This would be a very strange comment from a civ.

[Infected_alien8_]

Voted mac for self pres

[MacDougall]

@Lunalee why do you think Alien will flip town?

Gut read says they aren't scum. But I haven't read the past few pages, so there may be something I've missed.

And you still gut read me Mafia?

Well yeah, I am voting for you.

So you genuinely believe that I am scum based on Jay's case even though he is off of his own case and you've got no other reason to scum read me?

No, I never "genuinely" believe anyone is scum until they flip scum. You just looked like the best lynch option today because of your suspicious TH bussing.

And I still do?

[Tangrowth]

Alright, legacy reads as of right now bearing in mind I've missed the past few pages:

Scum: Russ - once I die please go back and read my response to his case against me because it's completely biased and agendary
M Plus 7: my gut is back on him again now after he suspected me trying to catch up and I have no idea how he got to that, and 'player salad', feels like he's just trying to find reasons to suspect me again. Will repeat his dogpees didn't feel genuine to me at all

Probably scum but gut says Town: Mac, reasons same as before, but gut is saying his reactions to my slowly turning against him is Town

Town: Tsiah, Jay, both I love their lines of interrogation and they just seem really Town to me. Aby, her defence of me from Jay felt really genuine trying to figure Jay out and wasn't afraid of splashing herself with what was being thrown my way
I wanna say Luna's town now for her defence of me too

Everyone else has for + againsts that I outlined before, nothing really changed on those

If you're town why would someone defending you make you feel good about them? It could be TMI.

I don't feel like your reads have developed hardly like... at all since Day 0 or early Day 1.

[Infected_alien8_]

Alright, legacy reads as of right now bearing in mind I've missed the past few pages:

Scum: Russ - once I die please go back and read my response to his case against me because it's completely biased and agendary
M Plus 7: my gut is back on him again now after he suspected me trying to catch up and I have no idea how he got to that, and 'player salad', feels like he's just trying to find reasons to suspect me again. Will repeat his dogpees didn't feel genuine to me at all

Probably scum but gut says Town: Mac, reasons same as before, but gut is saying his reactions to my slowly turning against him is Town

Town: Tsiah, Jay, both I love their lines of interrogation and they just seem really Town to me. Aby, her defence of me from Jay felt really genuine trying to figure Jay out and wasn't afraid of splashing herself with what was being thrown my way
I wanna say Luna's town now for her defence of me too

Everyone else has for + againsts that I outlined before, nothing really changed on those

He just described his own behaviour as slowly turning against me and thinks that my response to it is town. This would be a very strange comment from a civ.

Why? If only so I can debunk that?

[Lunalee]

@Lunalee

I wanna hear more from you! Specifically, how do you feel about the spirityo v Mac thing? This is a good generic question for anyone to answer, but I've got N O T H I N G on Lunalee so I wanna specifically hear what you have to say.

Hi RobotNerd, thanks for the prompt. I have trouble finding where I should give input in games like this with a lot of experienced players weighing in.

This looks like the post that started it all: A very innocent comment by sprityo about Mac not being actually green on MP's read list.
Here's why MacDougall dislikes sprityo:
Sprityo has avoided heat in ways he probably shouldn't have I want to see examples of this, because I don't see it in sprit's ISO.
sprityo responds to Mac's suspicions by saying "it was a joke" and "I'm bad at mafia"

Then there's Sprit's blow-up post and Mac's reaction to it. At first glance, it honestly looks like two civvs who don't understand each other.

But I can't help but notice how sprityo is reacting to this whole thing. He swings an attack, then immediately backs down, as if hoping to shut it down before Mac can swing back:
swing 1
back-down 1
swing 2
back-down 2

Mac's response to this is steady and forceful. He does not back down. This seems like a more common townie trait. If I had to pick a scum between Mac and Sprityo, I would choose Sprityo.

Early on you had the strongest town read on me of anybody and you flipped from this stance to being so convinced I am bad that your vote remains on me 10 minutes before EOD based on a case that a guy who doesn't even believe it himself made. You were scum reading sprityo. Your flip was extremely jarring and especially your insistence of leaving your vote there right now is especially weird. I'm gonna come back to this tomorrow if I live.

MAC YOU ARE NOT GETTING LYNCHED
Does my vote on you bother you this much?

[Tsaiah]

I don't feel as though that's been the case @ Tsaiah, other than with M Plus 7, in which case my read isn't based on 'I don't understand why you did this', it's based on 'I don't believe you', and he could explain it away all he wanted, I just wasn't believing him, so I asked him instead to just show me his town feathers to prove his towniness because his explanations weren't doing anything to me

[Mention]Infected_alien8_ [/mention]
It's not with him that bothers me the worst, its with me and abyssum and Robot and Jay and whoever else presented you with various povs and potential data, and it keeps feeling like you just shut all that data out of your mindworld instantly, without any consideration or engagement on it first.

Also what does "showing his town feathers" even mean? That's what i'm talkijg about about a nebulous bar to set. Does that have an exact definition in your mind?

[Tangrowth]

Here I got one, who is gonna look better and who worse once alien flips?

I’m not sure how much interaction I’ve seen between alien and other players outside of his questions that would indicate alignment

Why are we doing this now? Seems like a waste of time. Help me understand sprityo.

Mac asked for anything MP

Is this not something?

Where is the waste in time if it hasn’t been done yet? I am a personal fan of vote analysis

Sorry, sprityo, you do you. I get you now. I just was so confused why you decided to start thinking about that when we will presumably know Alien's flip in just over 5 minutes, haha.

[Infected_alien8_]

Alright, legacy reads as of right now bearing in mind I've missed the past few pages:

Scum: Russ - once I die please go back and read my response to his case against me because it's completely biased and agendary
M Plus 7: my gut is back on him again now after he suspected me trying to catch up and I have no idea how he got to that, and 'player salad', feels like he's just trying to find reasons to suspect me again. Will repeat his dogpees didn't feel genuine to me at all

Probably scum but gut says Town: Mac, reasons same as before, but gut is saying his reactions to my slowly turning against him is Town

Town: Tsiah, Jay, both I love their lines of interrogation and they just seem really Town to me. Aby, her defence of me from Jay felt really genuine trying to figure Jay out and wasn't afraid of splashing herself with what was being thrown my way
I wanna say Luna's town now for her defence of me too

Everyone else has for + againsts that I outlined before, nothing really changed on those

If you're town why would someone defending you make you feel good about them? It could be TMI.

I don't feel like your reads have developed hardly like... at all since Day 0 or early Day 1.

Well they have. I was scum reading Luna, now I'm not. I was feeling bad about aby, now I'm not. I was town-read Mac, then I scum read him, now I'm scum but town gut reading him.

And because the timing of their flip on me was when I was just about to become a wagon. It feels like an odd time to back off me when it could have been pivitol in securing my lynch

[Kylemii]

okay I'm back what new things have developed in the last 10 pages

Hi kyle thanks for being here. We're all just up to our usual tricks, posting this and that. Also Mac slipped but I don't have time to explain it

what.

I'm also confused.

turnip head is a funny and cool baby made of root vegetables, and he is also my friend.

[MacDougall]

Alright, legacy reads as of right now bearing in mind I've missed the past few pages:

Scum: Russ - once I die please go back and read my response to his case against me because it's completely biased and agendary
M Plus 7: my gut is back on him again now after he suspected me trying to catch up and I have no idea how he got to that, and 'player salad', feels like he's just trying to find reasons to suspect me again. Will repeat his dogpees didn't feel genuine to me at all

Probably scum but gut says Town: Mac, reasons same as before, but gut is saying his reactions to my slowly turning against him is Town

Town: Tsiah, Jay, both I love their lines of interrogation and they just seem really Town to me. Aby, her defence of me from Jay felt really genuine trying to figure Jay out and wasn't afraid of splashing herself with what was being thrown my way
I wanna say Luna's town now for her defence of me too

Everyone else has for + againsts that I outlined before, nothing really changed on those

He just described his own behaviour as slowly turning against me and thinks that my response to it is town. This would be a very strange comment from a civ.

Why? If only so I can debunk that?

Like you just admitted that you have been "slowly turning against" me? It's just tantamount to saying that I was right about you changing your opinions just to vote me. Civs don't do that. Voting me sure, but the methodical way you went about it is just weird.

[ColinIsCool]

I’m suspish of DH.

Tell me more.

DH is a constant presence in the thread, but it’s mostly to make fun of you or offer bitter commentary. That’s being in the thread without really being in the thread. It’s removed from hunting and all that. I could be misremembering, it’s been a long and difficult day, but it’s noteworthy.

[MacDougall]

@Lunalee

I wanna hear more from you! Specifically, how do you feel about the spirityo v Mac thing? This is a good generic question for anyone to answer, but I've got N O T H I N G on Lunalee so I wanna specifically hear what you have to say.

Hi RobotNerd, thanks for the prompt. I have trouble finding where I should give input in games like this with a lot of experienced players weighing in.

This looks like the post that started it all: A very innocent comment by sprityo about Mac not being actually green on MP's read list.
Here's why MacDougall dislikes sprityo:
Sprityo has avoided heat in ways he probably shouldn't have I want to see examples of this, because I don't see it in sprit's ISO.
sprityo responds to Mac's suspicions by saying "it was a joke" and "I'm bad at mafia"

Then there's Sprit's blow-up post and Mac's reaction to it. At first glance, it honestly looks like two civvs who don't understand each other.

But I can't help but notice how sprityo is reacting to this whole thing. He swings an attack, then immediately backs down, as if hoping to shut it down before Mac can swing back:
swing 1
back-down 1
swing 2
back-down 2

Mac's response to this is steady and forceful. He does not back down. This seems like a more common townie trait. If I had to pick a scum between Mac and Sprityo, I would choose Sprityo.

Early on you had the strongest town read on me of anybody and you flipped from this stance to being so convinced I am bad that your vote remains on me 10 minutes before EOD based on a case that a guy who doesn't even believe it himself made. You were scum reading sprityo. Your flip was extremely jarring and especially your insistence of leaving your vote there right now is especially weird. I'm gonna come back to this tomorrow if I live.

MAC YOU ARE NOT GETTING LYNCHED
Does my vote on you bother you this much?

Yes because it looks bad and I am still trying to solve the game. The game won't end today Lunalee.

[abyssum]

...

tsaiah are you scum

[Infected_alien8_]

I don't feel as though that's been the case @ Tsaiah, other than with M Plus 7, in which case my read isn't based on 'I don't understand why you did this', it's based on 'I don't believe you', and he could explain it away all he wanted, I just wasn't believing him, so I asked him instead to just show me his town feathers to prove his towniness because his explanations weren't doing anything to me

@Infected_alien8_
It's not with him that bothers me the worst, its with me and abyssum and Robot and Jay and whoever else presented you with various povs and potential data, and it keeps feeling like you just shut all that data out of your mindworld instantly, without any consideration or engagement on it first.

Also what does "showing his town feathers" even mean? That's what i'm talkijg about about a nebulous bar to set. Does that have an exact definition in your mind?

Then I'm sorry but I have no idea what you mean. Can you quote examples, because I don't think I've done that at all.

Showing his town feathers is a term I took off him from last game, he kept saying he'd scumhunt and in doing so we'd see he was town. It's like, showing he's town through his behaviour rather than just his words.

[DharmaHelper]

Oh fuck lads and ladies we killed the new fish.

Why do.

[Tangrowth]

I’m suspish of DH.

Tell me more.

DH is a constant presence in the thread, but it’s mostly to make fun of you or offer bitter commentary. That’s being in the thread without really being in the thread. It’s removed from hunting and all that. I could be misremembering, it’s been a long and difficult day, but it’s noteworthy.

Yeah, I mean, that's true. I'm torn on him now myself. He defaulted to the POE for a while, then I thought his back and forth with Jay looked real as well as his comment this morning re: Jay and Mac, but he's definitely worth thorough evaluation either way.

[MacDougall]

What kind of civ would just disappear because it seems I'm safe now at EOD. That's scum behaviour.

[Kylemii]

did infected ever riposte about the links and similars to champions 9 game

[Infected_alien8_]

Alright, legacy reads as of right now bearing in mind I've missed the past few pages:

Scum: Russ - once I die please go back and read my response to his case against me because it's completely biased and agendary
M Plus 7: my gut is back on him again now after he suspected me trying to catch up and I have no idea how he got to that, and 'player salad', feels like he's just trying to find reasons to suspect me again. Will repeat his dogpees didn't feel genuine to me at all

Probably scum but gut says Town: Mac, reasons same as before, but gut is saying his reactions to my slowly turning against him is Town

Town: Tsiah, Jay, both I love their lines of interrogation and they just seem really Town to me. Aby, her defence of me from Jay felt really genuine trying to figure Jay out and wasn't afraid of splashing herself with what was being thrown my way
I wanna say Luna's town now for her defence of me too

Everyone else has for + againsts that I outlined before, nothing really changed on those

He just described his own behaviour as slowly turning against me and thinks that my response to it is town. This would be a very strange comment from a civ.

Why? If only so I can debunk that?

Like you just admitted that you have been "slowly turning against" me? It's just tantamount to saying that I was right about you changing your opinions just to vote me. Civs don't do that. Voting me sure, but the methodical way you went about it is just weird.

I don't understand what you mean. By slowly turning against you I mean that over the past 24 hours or so, ever since M Plus 7's dogpee, my town read of you has gradually declined, as I've pointed out every time a new point has added to that. I'm not talking about anything you said to me

[Russtifinko]

I am going to feel like an ass if this is an ML, but god dammit, you know what, we really have exhausted the fuck out of these Day 0 and Day 1 cycles. Thanks so much for the incredible effort, everyone. It really is appreciated. You all are an absolute pleasure.

As far as Day 1 lynches go, I'm feeling pretty good right now. Here's hoping.

I agree here - Alien, separating from the game for just a sec, I feel REALLY bad on a personal level for getting you lynched here on D1 since you're new. It goes against my norms. I hope we can play lots more together in the future.

I do think you're bad though, and there's enough resistance that I feel decently confident about it.

If you're town, a HUGE help would be if you could leave GTH reads on everyone before the Day ends. (actually regardless of alignment it would help)

[MacDougall]

Oh fuck lads and ladies we killed the new fish.

Why do.

Lord Jesus please protect us from the hellbeast.

[Tangrowth]

...

tsaiah are you scum

Tell me more.

I appreciate her thoughts right now as well, but I have to say, I don't understand why she thinks this is the most productive use of her time at EOD.

[DharmaHelper]

I’m suspish of DH.

Tell me more.

DH is a constant presence in the thread, but it’s mostly to make fun of you or offer bitter commentary. That’s being in the thread without really being in the thread. It’s removed from hunting and all that. I could be misremembering, it’s been a long and difficult day, but it’s noteworthy.

Yeah, I mean, that's true. I'm torn on him now myself. He defaulted to the POE for a while, then I thought his back and forth with Jay looked real as well as his comment this morning re: Jay and Mac, but he's definitely worth thorough evaluation either way.

Ya'll will get it when you get it I guess.

[Russtifinko]

Like, as fast as possible, just down the player list and "TOWN, SCUM, TOWN, TOWN, SCUM" etc.

[Lunalee]

@Lunalee

I wanna hear more from you! Specifically, how do you feel about the spirityo v Mac thing? This is a good generic question for anyone to answer, but I've got N O T H I N G on Lunalee so I wanna specifically hear what you have to say.

Hi RobotNerd, thanks for the prompt. I have trouble finding where I should give input in games like this with a lot of experienced players weighing in.

This looks like the post that started it all: A very innocent comment by sprityo about Mac not being actually green on MP's read list.
Here's why MacDougall dislikes sprityo:
Sprityo has avoided heat in ways he probably shouldn't have I want to see examples of this, because I don't see it in sprit's ISO.
sprityo responds to Mac's suspicions by saying "it was a joke" and "I'm bad at mafia"

Then there's Sprit's blow-up post and Mac's reaction to it. At first glance, it honestly looks like two civvs who don't understand each other.

But I can't help but notice how sprityo is reacting to this whole thing. He swings an attack, then immediately backs down, as if hoping to shut it down before Mac can swing back:
swing 1
back-down 1
swing 2
back-down 2

Mac's response to this is steady and forceful. He does not back down. This seems like a more common townie trait. If I had to pick a scum between Mac and Sprityo, I would choose Sprityo.

Early on you had the strongest town read on me of anybody and you flipped from this stance to being so convinced I am bad that your vote remains on me 10 minutes before EOD based on a case that a guy who doesn't even believe it himself made. You were scum reading sprityo. Your flip was extremely jarring and especially your insistence of leaving your vote there right now is especially weird. I'm gonna come back to this tomorrow if I live.

MAC YOU ARE NOT GETTING LYNCHED
Does my vote on you bother you this much?

Yes because it looks bad and I am still trying to solve the game. The game won't end today Lunalee.

I get that. I'm not saying I will continue to vote you tomorrow. I will catch up on the thread and re-evaluate. I do not have time to do that now, and last I checked I felt good about voting you. Would you rather me move to a no-lynch vote? Because I would rather do that than vote Alien, who I don't feel is scum.

[MacDougall]

Alright, legacy reads as of right now bearing in mind I've missed the past few pages:

Scum: Russ - once I die please go back and read my response to his case against me because it's completely biased and agendary
M Plus 7: my gut is back on him again now after he suspected me trying to catch up and I have no idea how he got to that, and 'player salad', feels like he's just trying to find reasons to suspect me again. Will repeat his dogpees didn't feel genuine to me at all

Probably scum but gut says Town: Mac, reasons same as before, but gut is saying his reactions to my slowly turning against him is Town

Town: Tsiah, Jay, both I love their lines of interrogation and they just seem really Town to me. Aby, her defence of me from Jay felt really genuine trying to figure Jay out and wasn't afraid of splashing herself with what was being thrown my way
I wanna say Luna's town now for her defence of me too

Everyone else has for + againsts that I outlined before, nothing really changed on those

He just described his own behaviour as slowly turning against me and thinks that my response to it is town. This would be a very strange comment from a civ.

Why? If only so I can debunk that?

Like you just admitted that you have been "slowly turning against" me? It's just tantamount to saying that I was right about you changing your opinions just to vote me. Civs don't do that. Voting me sure, but the methodical way you went about it is just weird.

I don't understand what you mean. By slowly turning against you I mean that over the past 24 hours or so, ever since M Plus 7's dogpee, my town read of you has gradually declined, as I've pointed out every time a new point has added to that. I'm not talking about anything you said to me

Your town read has gradually declined the more it looked like your lynch was gaining traction. Meanwhile the vast majority of players opinions of me have shifted the other direction. It's a scum mindset.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hey guys, I won’t be able to do anything before the deadline. I support the lead wagon.

[Tangrowth]

What kind of civ would just disappear because it seems I'm safe now at EOD. That's scum behaviour.

To whom are you referring here?

[Tsaiah]

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tsaiah are you scum

No, i'm not.

I am getting close to crying tho