The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:59 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:47 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:38 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:30 pm Just did a quick skim of TH I'm kind off concerned more coming shortly. The TLDR of it is the following. Rapid flipflopping on people with no real build up and an attempt to save Sloonie, before voting/pushing for it when it was a forgone conclusion.

Before TH's vote on Sloonei, the score was Sloonei 4, LC 3, Colin 2. I don't agree it was a foregone conclusion.

By attempt to save Sloonei, do you mean the vote on me? Did you also spot any posta containing defense of Sloonei,

I think TH's flip-flopping makes sense for a player who just joined without reading the precious phases and is still getting a feel of the game.

He also voted for Sloonie the previous day which was odd, true some amount of flipflopping in the early phases are expected. However I don't think his read changes have been genuine, but that's more of a tone thing.

Wait, what day are we talking about again

I was only talking about D3.

His Day 4 is kind of boring, but so is everyone else's.

I was only looking at the final vote count for D3 which had him and one other (can't recall who) on Sloonie and the rest on LC/Colin

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:03 pm Ok sorry I didn't understand the post above.

Who was not in danger of being lynched? TH?

Sloonie on D3, I wasn't super active that day tbf so maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the two main wagons were Collins and LC with undertones of Sloonie, but nobody was really pursuing it?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:13 pm sig I feel like you're discarding the important fact that I helped almost lynch Sloonei D3 to save someone I think is town. Sloon only survived because of the last minute push to Colin which I had nothing to do with. I think that makes me look pretty good In contrast, Speedchuck did the exact opposite

So you just pursued Sloonie to save a townread?

Also okay I need to reread D3 then since I obviously brain dumped that. Assuming Sloonie was in the lead for most of the day that may relieve some of the negative thoughts I've got on you.

But when TH voted Sloon, he was leading the poll.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:00 pm But when TH voted Sloon, he was leading the poll.

Yeah just reread that day and looked over your post again that was my mistake.

So I still don't like the evolution of his reads and what not, but after realizing the sloonie stuff I'd much prefer to go with Speed over TH at the moment.

I also plan to look over creature he's slinked into the background which I dislike considering his early D0/D1 angst about lack of posts.

[mention]sig[/mention]

Either you missed the question or I missed the answer.

Can you walk me through your progression on Sloonei and LC?

You said earlier today that you suspected them both but from your iso, it seems like you didn't suspect Sloonei until you voted him and you asked Sloonei not to vote for LC, which implies you didn't suspect him either.

I'm finding your TH cases makes me trust TH more because I don't trust you.

Plus, talking about bussing LC reads real bad. There's a lot of things someone could think of as both scum and town. I sometimes joke about bussing as town or argue against the idea of bussing but I don't ever actually think of my votes as bussing.

I tend to assume slips don't exist half as often as people get accused of slipping but it's hard to read this as anything but Sig slipping that he was trying to bus LC.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:28 pm Granted I've not been that active, even with my busing of LC. But as i've said I was busy. I've suspected both Sloonie and LC just LC more then sloonie, buuuut like you said I did vote for both day 2 and have been talking about Rej for awhile.

Besides that for me my POE is Creature, Speed, and TH, tin foil mafia is Nanook. I still kind of suspect LC as well, but I'll lay that to rest since nobody else sees it.

Out of all 3 I'm leaning most towards TH he seems to haven't have done much since he subbed in, but I'll look more in-depth at him at some point.

But would sig really be that nonchalant about it in the thread? He's not a dummy

Why is Sig voting Speed if he flat thinks TH is more suspicious?

He changed his tune about that after some discussion with Luffy

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:24 am But would sig really be that nonchalant about it in the thread? He's not a dummy

You know, Sig said something about Sloonei not being in danger of being lynched. I've heard that kind of thing could be seen as suspicious.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:17 am Plus, talking about bussing LC reads real bad. There's a lot of things someone could think of as both scum and town. I sometimes joke about bussing as town or argue against the idea of bussing but I don't ever actually think of my votes as bussing.

I tend to assume slips don't exist half as often as people get accused of slipping but it's hard to read this as anything but Sig slipping that he was trying to bus LC.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:28 pm Granted I've not been that active, even with my busing of LC. But as i've said I was busy. I've suspected both Sloonie and LC just LC more then sloonie, buuuut like you said I did vote for both day 2 and have been talking about Rej for awhile.

Besides that for me my POE is Creature, Speed, and TH, tin foil mafia is Nanook. I still kind of suspect LC as well, but I'll lay that to rest since nobody else sees it.

Out of all 3 I'm leaning most towards TH he seems to haven't have done much since he subbed in, but I'll look more in-depth at him at some point.

I know I'm Long Con and all, but if sig was actually trying to bus me, then that would require me to be bad. With sig. And I'm not bad. I don't understand why sig said that, but it's not as simple as a slip of that nature. I would like sig to specifically explain this.

Could lynch Sig tbh. I just think Speed danmed himself more time.

Also I kind of want to sheep on late nutella since ISO shows she was doing really well at the game.

Well she saw something shady on speed, maybe I should follow that.

Like, early on I ignored people who said speed looked bad because he had bussed Rej.

Now my recent analysis shows that doesn't really save Speed because everyone else bussed scum.

Have I bussed?

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:31 am Have I bussed?

Only if you are bad.

My overuse of the term "bussing" is because of my laziness in writing "assuming they are bad" every time.

Point is, every player left in this game was involved in a scum lynch in some decisive way.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Speed doesn’t feel bad. Sig feels bad.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:15 am @sig

Either you missed the question or I missed the answer.

Can you walk me through your progression on Sloonei and LC?

You said earlier today that you suspected them both but from your iso, it seems like you didn't suspect Sloonei until you voted him and you asked Sloonei not to vote for LC, which implies you didn't suspect him either.

I'm finding your TH cases makes me trust TH more because I don't trust you.

My main suspicion of him came in two ways. One I figured we had two mafia members on D2 and it ended up being process of elimination and two the fact that we kept almost lynching him and nearly everyone suspected him.

Me telling Sloonie not to vote for LC last phase was a joke since if Sloonie was mafia and voted for LC it would make it look like I was on his team and I'd get lynched for making the counterwagon.

Also that's very rude, but I've also reached the conclusion that TH is lower on my lynch list now then Speed/Creature.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:16 am [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Speed doesn’t feel bad. Sig feels bad.

Rude

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 6:48 am Also I kind of want to sheep on late nutella since ISO shows she was doing really well at the game.

Well she saw something shady on speed, maybe I should follow that.

Not if you cant even determine what that *something* is.

This post alone is suspicious.
I will be following up and figuring out what I can this afternoon. Weekends are bad for me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:17 am Plus, talking about bussing LC reads real bad. There's a lot of things someone could think of as both scum and town. I sometimes joke about bussing as town or argue against the idea of bussing but I don't ever actually think of my votes as bussing.

I tend to assume slips don't exist half as often as people get accused of slipping but it's hard to read this as anything but Sig slipping that he was trying to bus LC.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:28 pm Granted I've not been that active, even with my busing of LC. But as i've said I was busy. I've suspected both Sloonie and LC just LC more then sloonie, buuuut like you said I did vote for both day 2 and have been talking about Rej for awhile.

Besides that for me my POE is Creature, Speed, and TH, tin foil mafia is Nanook. I still kind of suspect LC as well, but I'll lay that to rest since nobody else sees it.

Out of all 3 I'm leaning most towards TH he seems to haven't have done much since he subbed in, but I'll look more in-depth at him at some point.

I can admit when I'm tunneling/bussing on someone he can still be mafia, which I think he is, like 20/80, buuuut that doesn't stop the fact that I voted for him 2 days in a row and was tunneling/bussing. Though I guess since I started the wagon both days bussing wouldn't be the right word to use. Meh either way it's weak reasoning to vote for me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:25 am Why is Sig voting Speed if he flat thinks TH is more suspicious?

And I'm not voting for Speed yet? Also it seems like you aren't reading my posts since it becomes clear why I moved away from TH.

If anything this makes me think Speed is mafia and Jack is a scum buddy trying to save him.

Signs, do you know what bussing is?

Sig*

Jack is my top town read rn;

He helped lynch Rej, he helped lynch Sloonei, and Rej had him as his primary option in order to get himself and Sloonei to safety.

I mean there is always bussing but in a double lynch day, with two mafias facing the gallows, mafia will try to look for alternatives, not for a third mafioso.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:46 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:15 am @sig

Either you missed the question or I missed the answer.

Can you walk me through your progression on Sloonei and LC?

You said earlier today that you suspected them both but from your iso, it seems like you didn't suspect Sloonei until you voted him and you asked Sloonei not to vote for LC, which implies you didn't suspect him either.

I'm finding your TH cases makes me trust TH more because I don't trust you.

My main suspicion of him came in two ways. One I figured we had two mafia members on D2 and it ended up being process of elimination and two the fact that we kept almost lynching him and nearly everyone suspected him.

Me telling Sloonie not to vote for LC last phase was a joke since if Sloonie was mafia and voted for LC it would make it look like I was on his team and I'd get lynched for making the counterwagon.

Also that's very rude, but I've also reached the conclusion that TH is lower on my lynch list now then Speed/Creature.

Why did you figure we had two mafia members on D2?

What do you mean we kept almost lynching Sloonei? D2 was the first time we almost lynched him so how could this cause you to suspect him D2?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:54 am Sig, do you know what bussing is?

Yeah, that’s what I got out of Sig’s explanation, that he doesn’t know what “bus” means.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:37 pm Jack is my top town read rn;

He helped lynch Rej, he helped lynch Sloonei, and Rej had him as his primary option in order to get himself and Sloonei to safety.

Samesies

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:54 am Sig, do you know what bussing is?

Yeah, that’s what I got out of Sig’s explanation, that he doesn’t know what “bus” means.

I did not like the way he emphasized tunnelling/bussing. As if he knew he screwed up, but was specifically denying the meaning while maintaining the ruse of ignorance.

I don't know what to do

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:55 pm I don't know what to do

Who does your gut tell you to vote for and also, is your gut any good in these situations?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:24 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:37 pm Jack is my top town read rn;

He helped lynch Rej, he helped lynch Sloonei, and Rej had him as his primary option in order to get himself and Sloonei to safety.

Samesies

You guys are trying to get me nightkilled.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:00 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:55 pm I don't know what to do

Who does your gut tell you to vote for and also, is your gut any good in these situations?

speedchuck

but not sure if it is reliable

Why isn't creature in more Poe's?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:24 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:37 pm Jack is my top town read rn;

He helped lynch Rej, he helped lynch Sloonei, and Rej had him as his primary option in order to get himself and Sloonei to safety.

Samesies

I would put Nanook right up there as well.

Ok, sig meant "tunnel". That makes more sense.

I'll sheep Jack's vote on sig, since he's widely townread. [VOTE: sig] aubergine

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:20 pm Why isn't creature in more Poe's?

cuz I was pretty townie earlier?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:42 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:54 am Sig, do you know what bussing is?

Yeah, that’s what I got out of Sig’s explanation, that he doesn’t know what “bus” means.

I did not like the way he emphasized tunnelling/bussing. As if he knew he screwed up, but was specifically denying the meaning while maintaining the ruse of ignorance.

The ruse of ignorance! I love it. Also known as "doubling down".

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:25 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:20 pm Why isn't creature in more Poe's?

cuz I was pretty townie earlier?

With your many-posts-in-a-row thing?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:26 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:25 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:20 pm Why isn't creature in more Poe's?

cuz I was pretty townie earlier?

With your many-posts-in-a-row thing?

Exactly

and for pushing the hell out of Sloonei D2

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:20 pm Why isn't creature in more Poe's?

He's in mine, it's just that my poe is too big by virtue of you bastards liking to vote for teammates too much.

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:28 pm and for pushing the hell out of Sloonei D2

Every single one of us was pivotal in lynching at least one of Rej or Sloonei. Or both.

Though I didn't bother to check the posts closely. If anyone wants to compare whether Creature's Sloonei vote looks more or less genuine than other people's, be my guest. After yesterday's effort I ain't doing any today.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:21 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:24 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:37 pm Jack is my top town read rn;

He helped lynch Rej, he helped lynch Sloonei, and Rej had him as his primary option in order to get himself and Sloonei to safety.

Samesies

I would put Nanook right up there as well.

I <3 u 2

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:26 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:42 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:54 am Sig, do you know what bussing is?

Yeah, that’s what I got out of Sig’s explanation, that he doesn’t know what “bus” means.

I did not like the way he emphasized tunnelling/bussing. As if he knew he screwed up, but was specifically denying the meaning while maintaining the ruse of ignorance.

The ruse of ignorance! I love it. Also known as "doubling down".

This is how I write all my posts. But when I'm on my phone, I don't edit them.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

I'm going to be rock climbing, going to worship, then going to the movies. I'll try to keep checking in but I'm not going to have a lot of time for hunting.

I'm being lynched for a very dumb reason, especially considering why some of them are voting for me. Especially LC, so sheeping since he thinks Jack is town is an acceptable vote? Doubtful.

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:28 pm and for pushing the hell out of Sloonei D2

No you didn't.