The Syndicate

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:21 am**

This should also clear Wisp, Hally, SD, and LC of being a serial killer/hostile third party.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:22 am**

we’re gonna win this

we managed to get 4 mech clear town out of one night

rip wolves lol

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:22 am**

Um, Wisp, I asked you something.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:22 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:19 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:17 am LC, Hally, Wisp lock town

i see some people townreading SD. why can't the claim be fake?
why would she ever fake that as wolf?

i thought she was town before that anyway

fair enough

i agree with both of these things on re-read of the context she claimed in

LC, Hally, Wisp, SD lock town

no reason to scumread JJJ now that I'm satisfied it wasn't a bus

will still look at the interactions to see if I can piece something out of it after my tournament

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:24 am**

if only three of the mech clears hadnt already been in the town core

but that just means we were on the right track already D1!

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:24 am**

[colin, TSP, wilgy, pawn]

can't go wrong shooting in these 4

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:24 am**

Wisp wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:08 am Someone tell me if that vote from Epi is the kind of stupid shit he would push as town?

The grammar/word placement stuff? Yeah, I remember that from Epi a lot during Inception. Its NAI as far as I know.

And so its looking like Hally/Wisp are lock cleared based off of how they've acted regarding their claims and powers. LC is like 90% cleared off it, the only reason I'm not making it a guarantee is that mechanics seem to be fucky on that front considering the amount of claimed millers. Still, basically never hit this.

SD is like 85% town. Just because what is the point? Why does she make that claim as mafia, its just a potential anchor dragging her down long term. She has a baseline competence from what I've seen, so I just don't see what's the point. What mindset or perspective makes this worthwhile as mafia?

So functionally 4 clears. Its a damn good position for us to start D2 in.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:24 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:24 am if only three of the mech clears hadnt already been in the town core

but that just means we were on the right track already D1!

clearing LC is big. took away a misexecute and added 1 to our town core. it's like double the value

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:25 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:24 am [colin, TSP, wilgy, pawn]

can't go wrong shooting in these 4

why tsp so low?

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:26 am**

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:24 am
Wisp wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:08 am Someone tell me if that vote from Epi is the kind of stupid shit he would push as town?
The grammar/word placement stuff? Yeah, I remember that from Epi a lot during Inception. Its NAI as far as I know.

And so its looking like Hally/Wisp are lock cleared based off of how they've acted regarding their claims and powers. LC is like 90% cleared off it, the only reason I'm not making it a guarantee is that mechanics seem to be fucky on that front considering the amount of claimed millers. Still, basically never hit this.

SD is like 85% town. Just because what is the point? Why does she make that claim as mafia, its just a potential anchor dragging her down long term. She has a baseline competence from what I've seen, so I just don't see what's the point. What mindset or perspective makes this worthwhile as mafia?

So functionally 4 clears. Its a damn good position for us to start D2 in.

weht

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:26 am**

[mention]Pawn Lelouch[/mention] where are your reads at now?

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:27 am**

Also [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] you really do not want to be anime/Fate Jack the Ripper. That's something that no one deserves and Jack isn't sadistic enough to put in this game off the character design alone.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:27 am**

oh there's stuff going on

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:27 am**

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:27 am Also @TonyStarkPrime you really do not want to be anime/Fate Jack the Ripper. That's something that no one deserves and Jack isn't sadistic enough to put in this game off the character design alone.

uhh.. what happens to me

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:28 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:27 am oh there's stuff going on

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:28 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:25 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:24 am [colin, TSP, wilgy, pawn]

can't go wrong shooting in these 4
why tsp so low?

i literally took a list of all the players in the game, subtracted the players that were lock clear to me (including myself), and then subtracted the players I personally townread (like sabie and JJJ). that's what I ended up with. the only player who status is uncertain atm is epi, but 1) he's starting to do stuff and 2) I want to respect nanook's legacy by not POEing the player he thought was town.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:28 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:22 am Um, Wisp, I asked you something.

hmm?

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:29 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:28 am
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:25 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:24 am [colin, TSP, wilgy, pawn]

can't go wrong shooting in these 4
why tsp so low?
i literally took a list of all the players in the game, subtracted the players that were lock clear to me (including myself), and then subtracted the players I personally townread (like sabie and JJJ). that's what I ended up with. the only player who status is uncertain atm is epi, but 1) he's starting to do stuff and 2) I want to respect nanook's legacy by not POEing the player he thought was town.

got it thanks

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:30 am**

I'll be back in an hour then solve this please

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:30 am**

[VOTE: Pawn] aubergine

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:31 am**

i will not endorse a yeet today outside of wilgy/pawn/colin unless something dramatic happens

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:32 am**

[VOTE: colin] aubergine

be back after my tournament

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:32 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:26 am @Pawn Lelouch where are your reads at now?

Rougher than I'd like, I need to get to the point where I can feel comfortable figuring out where I lean on my 3 nulls for now. Otherwise, I feel solid overall on this grouping.

Town:
Hally
Wisp
Spacedaisy
Longcon

Town Lean:
Jay
Epi

Null:
sabie
kitsu
TSP

Scum Lean:
Alison
Drwilgy
Colin

Scum: N/A currently

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:33 am**

Alison raises a good point for Epi. Dubious that he'd elect to kill Nanook first, and when he is mafia he tends to have a loud voice in those choices. WIFOM blah blah, I don't care

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:33 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:27 am
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:27 am Also @TonyStarkPrime you really do not want to be anime/Fate Jack the Ripper. That's something that no one deserves and Jack isn't sadistic enough to put in this game off the character design alone.
uhh.. what happens to me

Just don't ever look up the design, for the sake of your own sanity if nothing else.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:34 am**

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:32 am
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:26 am @Pawn Lelouch where are your reads at now?
Rougher than I'd like, I need to get to the point where I can feel comfortable figuring out where I lean on my 3 nulls for now. Otherwise, I feel solid overall on this grouping.

Town:
Hally
Wisp
Spacedaisy
Longcon

Town Lean:
Jay
Epi

Null:
sabie
kitsu
TSP

Scum Lean:
Alison
Drwilgy
Colin

Scum: N/A currently

why is alison so low?

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:35 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:33 am Alison raises a good point for Epi. Dubious that he'd elect to kill Nanook first, and when he is mafia he tends to have a loud voice in those choices. WIFOM blah blah, I don't care

that is a good point yea

epi seems fine to me otherwise so i can go with this

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:42 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:34 am
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:32 am
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:26 am @Pawn Lelouch where are your reads at now?
Rougher than I'd like, I need to get to the point where I can feel comfortable figuring out where I lean on my 3 nulls for now. Otherwise, I feel solid overall on this grouping.

Town:
Hally
Wisp
Spacedaisy
Longcon

Town Lean:
Jay
Epi

Null:
sabie
kitsu
TSP

Scum Lean:
Alison
Drwilgy
Colin

Scum: N/A currently
why is alison so low?

Combo of trying to lightly push against the SD clear, heavily pushing for pre flip associations earlier which is usually an easy wolf tactic to get credit or try and setup auto yeet chains, and while her point about Epi recently is a good one and mitigates my last point somewhat, I just don't like how she handled Epi's slot. It felt like she was trying to solve him and more that she was trying to shade with hypotheticals rather than anything concrete.

Overall, its more than enough to bump her to scum lean for me.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:45 am**

Wisp wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:28 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:22 am Um, Wisp, I asked you something.
hmm?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:07 am
Wisp wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:04 am @Long Con
You can thank me later! <3
I was looking more for a response in which I understood that you have seen my role card and, in confirming the vague thing I said, you expand upon it vaguely in a way that we can both nod in mutual understanding. I have confirmed with the host that this is acceptable.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:45 am**

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:42 am
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:34 am
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:32 am
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:26 am @Pawn Lelouch where are your reads at now?
Rougher than I'd like, I need to get to the point where I can feel comfortable figuring out where I lean on my 3 nulls for now. Otherwise, I feel solid overall on this grouping.

Town:
Hally
Wisp
Spacedaisy
Longcon

Town Lean:
Jay
Epi

Null:
sabie
kitsu
TSP

Scum Lean:
Alison
Drwilgy
Colin

Scum: N/A currently
why is alison so low?
Combo of trying to lightly push against the SD clear, heavily pushing for pre flip associations earlier which is usually an easy wolf tactic to get credit or try and setup auto yeet chains, and while her point about Epi recently is a good one and mitigates my last point somewhat, I just don't like how she handled Epi's slot. It felt like she was trying to solve him and more that she was trying to shade with hypotheticals rather than anything concrete.

Overall, its more than enough to bump her to scum lean for me.

well lc is town so alison couldnt have been trying to chain jay to him post flip by pushing them as w/w

does this change anything for you?

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:49 am**

Little Lou, Ugly JACK, Prophet John, Belle and Sebastian

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:50 am**

[mention]Long Con[/mention]
What exactly are you asking?
Anyways I will respond in the morning
if the question is, "Do you have my whole role pm, word for word", then the answer is yes
Actually my results don't actually confirm its you, but I can confirm it with
"Samurai Jack"

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:51 am**

Anyone else that wouldn't kill Nanook? Maybe Kitsu? Let's WIFOM for days

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:53 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:45 am
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:42 am
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:34 am
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:32 am
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:26 am @Pawn Lelouch where are your reads at now?
Rougher than I'd like, I need to get to the point where I can feel comfortable figuring out where I lean on my 3 nulls for now. Otherwise, I feel solid overall on this grouping.

Town:
Hally
Wisp
Spacedaisy
Longcon

Town Lean:
Jay
Epi

Null:
sabie
kitsu
TSP

Scum Lean:
Alison
Drwilgy
Colin

Scum: N/A currently
why is alison so low?
Combo of trying to lightly push against the SD clear, heavily pushing for pre flip associations earlier which is usually an easy wolf tactic to get credit or try and setup auto yeet chains, and while her point about Epi recently is a good one and mitigates my last point somewhat, I just don't like how she handled Epi's slot. It felt like she was trying to solve him and more that she was trying to shade with hypotheticals rather than anything concrete.

Overall, its more than enough to bump her to scum lean for me.
well lc is town so alison couldnt have been trying to chain jay to him post flip by pushing them as w/w

does this change anything for you?

If that was the only one she did then yeah, it does end up pushing her back up to null again. The SD bit is a point against her but not enough for a full drop, considering the Epi bit is mitigated recently.

But I could have sworn she had done it to more than just that pair? Am I misremembering there?

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:54 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:49 am Little Lou, Ugly JACK, Prophet John, Belle and Sebastian

fantastic!!!

belle and sebastian is one of my all time favorite bands! i saw them live a while ago

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:56 am**

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:53 am
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:45 am
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:42 am
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:34 am
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:32 am
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:26 am @Pawn Lelouch where are your reads at now?
Rougher than I'd like, I need to get to the point where I can feel comfortable figuring out where I lean on my 3 nulls for now. Otherwise, I feel solid overall on this grouping.

Town:
Hally
Wisp
Spacedaisy
Longcon

Town Lean:
Jay
Epi

Null:
sabie
kitsu
TSP

Scum Lean:
Alison
Drwilgy
Colin

Scum: N/A currently
why is alison so low?
Combo of trying to lightly push against the SD clear, heavily pushing for pre flip associations earlier which is usually an easy wolf tactic to get credit or try and setup auto yeet chains, and while her point about Epi recently is a good one and mitigates my last point somewhat, I just don't like how she handled Epi's slot. It felt like she was trying to solve him and more that she was trying to shade with hypotheticals rather than anything concrete.

Overall, its more than enough to bump her to scum lean for me.
well lc is town so alison couldnt have been trying to chain jay to him post flip by pushing them as w/w

does this change anything for you?
If that was the only one she did then yeah, it does end up pushing her back up to null again. The SD bit is a point against her but not enough for a full drop, considering the Epi bit is mitigated recently.

But I could have sworn she had done it to more than just that pair? Am I misremembering there?

she sorta did it with me/fg but less so?

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:56 am**

Wisp wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:50 am @Long Con
What exactly are you asking?
Anyways I will respond in the morning
if the question is, "Do you have my whole role pm, word for word", then the answer is yes
Actually my results don't actually confirm its you, but I can confirm it with
"Samurai Jack"

Ok, I was going with more subtle, but that's just my nature. Confirmed.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:56 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:54 am belle and sebastian is one of my all time favorite bands! i saw them live a while ago

Very good call.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:58 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:51 am Anyone else that wouldn't kill Nanook? Maybe Kitsu? Let's WIFOM for days

I don't want to do that.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:59 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:56 am
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:54 am belle and sebastian is one of my all time favorite bands! i saw them live a while ago
Very good call.

they were brilliant live! really amazing show if you get the chance!

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:59 am**

I've allowed my scum team to make kills that I wouldn't make personally. I don't think there is value in that road.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:00 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:58 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:51 am Anyone else that wouldn't kill Nanook? Maybe Kitsu? Let's WIFOM for days
I don't want to do that.

Whaddya chicken?

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:00 am**

That’s fine.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:02 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:56 am
she sorta did it with me/fg but less so?

Ughhhhhh. The lack of flip info with fg makes that far more ambiguous than I like.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:03 am**

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:02 am
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:56 am
she sorta did it with me/fg but less so?
Ughhhhhh. The lack of flip info with fg makes that far more ambiguous than I like.

i kinda doubt she is w/w with fg anyway just from their interactions? so that probably wasnt a case of her chaining me to a teammate either

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:08 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:03 am
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:02 am
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:56 am
she sorta did it with me/fg but less so?
Ughhhhhh. The lack of flip info with fg makes that far more ambiguous than I like.
i kinda doubt she is w/w with fg anyway just from their interactions? so that probably wasnt a case of her chaining me to a teammate either

Okay, you've read more than I have and have the real time interactions that flow differently. I'll take your word on that interaction grouping since I've got too much of a headache to deep dive right now.

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:46 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:39 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:39 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:37 pm i believe wisp

not touching lc today or maybe ever
What do you believe Wisp about?
i believe he knows lc is town

this is arbitrarily threatening

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:48 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:51 pm i need to go for a debate tournament

flavor of the nightkill suggests the existence of "genocide jack" from danganronpa which may or may not be important

i would prefer to flip people whose flip actually gives us informaion at this stage in the game

see you all once the tournament is over

i wanna debate tournament

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:55 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:46 am
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:39 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:39 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:37 pm i believe wisp

not touching lc today or maybe ever
What do you believe Wisp about?
i believe he knows lc is town
this is arbitrarily threatening

Why is your entire game to this point a long series of "quote this post and say a few words about it"

Posted: **Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:57 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:55 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:46 am
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:39 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:39 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:37 pm i believe wisp

not touching lc today or maybe ever
What do you believe Wisp about?
i believe he knows lc is town
this is arbitrarily threatening
Why is your entire game to this point a long series of "quote this post and say a few words about it"

is this a real question

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