Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 5]
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:15 pm
Oh yeah I’m also vanilla town but everyone already knew that.
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Suppose I am the wolf or there is no second wolf.LanMisa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:38 pm Funnily enough, the "decide the tie" vote also means that if we DO get a tie and a wolf flips the game is mechanically on auto.
I'd advise against that strategy since that would require us to exactly same-wagon both wolves, with us losing in every other scenario.
This doesn’t really matter cause I’m not voting myself or Dunn but why can Brad not be a wolf with me or Dunn?Manny wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:31 pmEgo has little to do with why i want you dead, u just have the most chances of being a wolf from my POV
Lan is town
leaves me with Chelsea/Brad/Jack/Dunn
Brad imo can only be a wolf with you
Chelsea/Brad
Chelsea/Jack
Chelsea/Dunn
Dunn/Jack
thats 3 teams with you, two with jack and one with brad/dunn.
I guess this is a logical reason for town Chelsea to vote sleep, too.Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 2:28 pm Like the main reason I want to force sleep is so Manny dies because I think Dunn/Lan is a very easy and possible solve and right now we just lose to that because Manny is refusing to do anything but Thunderdome for the sake of his ego in that world.
Am I sold on that world? No, I've tried to reset my reads because I know my reads have been bad this game considering I had everyone here as a villager for most of the game minus Jack.
I'm not discrediting your reads on each other because obviously I get being in that world where you don't want to move cause you TR them but that's not gonna work for me. You need to explain to me more why I should be TRing you or voting Brad.
Yeah. Wolves shooting poe LC and Mac to eliminate the 3P team instead of consensus townreads LAN and Dunn or basically mech confirmed Manny is…certainly a thing that happened.
As far as I can tell, every single player who died during the night phases had me as lock town or close to it - ignoring TSP who was clearly Mac's kill.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:28 pm Honestly, @LanMisa wtf does a Jack/Lime or a Jack/Chelsea team EVER make those nightkills?
I'd think I'd be aware of the former...I have no idea what your point is with regards to that.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:39 pm The kills are like the key fucking thing.
Wolf you loses nothing by making those kills. They aren’t making you more likely to be yeeted. 0% chance -> 0% chance.
Wolf Jack absolutely fucks himself making those kills unless I’m teamed with Dunn or you.
You need to remember that Mafia had no way of knowing that their "easy" misyeet targets in TSP and Creature would go "poof" overnight. I assume Mafia thought that killing Mac would result in enough chaos to skate by another day and then go for either of the two to finish the game. My guess is that Mafia are potentially panicked and scrambling right now - despite town being smaller their road to victory just got a lot narrower.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:41 pm Like those kills happened because
1) There is at least one wolf in Dunn/Manny/Lan. You (LanMisa) are utterly rejecting this possibility. Fine.
2) There are no wolves in that group and the wolves want the town to think there is for a misyeet ftw.
Since you must think we’re in world 2, you should be looking at players trying to shade Manny/Dunn/Lan. There’s Chelsea. Okay. But where is her partner pushing this agenda and where are there townies falling for it?
In that case it falls to Manny to make a decision on whether to yeet or to sleep.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:44 pm I don’t want to sleep cause I think Manny is more likely than average to vote a wolf in lylo![]()
Because wolf Jack can more easily take control with a bigger poe.LanMisa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:43 pmI'd think I'd be aware of the former...I have no idea what your point is with regards to that.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:39 pm The kills are like the key fucking thing.
Wolf you loses nothing by making those kills. They aren’t making you more likely to be yeeted. 0% chance -> 0% chance.
Wolf Jack absolutely fucks himself making those kills unless I’m teamed with Dunn or you.
Also, why would these kills undermine your position? I don't think that anyone apart from Mac and Chelsea and TSP have talked about you lots the whole game yet. Honestly, the way you kept fading into the background of everyone's reads makes me feel like any kill would make sense from your direction: Everyone ignored you in a similar vein from what I could tell.
Have you considered amphetamines?LanMisa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:53 pmIn that case it falls to Manny to make a decision on whether to yeet or to sleep.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:44 pm I don’t want to sleep cause I think Manny is more likely than average to vote a wolf in lylo![]()
I laid out earlier why Sleeping puts me into an awkward position with this no majority no locked votes setup with a 3AM EOD but... it's a game, ultimately.
You've been questioning me all game and Chelsea did her best to undermine me towards Manny earlier as well. C'mon, it's not rocket science what is going on here.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:54 pmBecause wolf Jack can more easily take control with a bigger poe.LanMisa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:43 pmI'd think I'd be aware of the former...I have no idea what your point is with regards to that.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:39 pm The kills are like the key fucking thing.
Wolf you loses nothing by making those kills. They aren’t making you more likely to be yeeted. 0% chance -> 0% chance.
Wolf Jack absolutely fucks himself making those kills unless I’m teamed with Dunn or you.
Also, why would these kills undermine your position? I don't think that anyone apart from Mac and Chelsea and TSP have talked about you lots the whole game yet. Honestly, the way you kept fading into the background of everyone's reads makes me feel like any kill would make sense from your direction: Everyone ignored you in a similar vein from what I could tell.
Like let’s say you’re right and it’s me and Chelsea. Let’s say I wanna misyeet Lime. What if Manny or Dunn, who I have claimed to townread and who are basically lock town for most players, come out naysaying those yeets? I can’t push them and frame it as a wolf protecting their partner. Nobody is gonna just start a lucky wagon on those players. I have locked myself into a world where I have to misyeet Lime (who Chelsea lol refuses to vote for).
Like really? Wtf are wolf Jack and wolf Chelsea even trying to do here?
If we shot Dunn and Manny instead, we now have two additional “misyeet” options, LC and Mac. I don’t have to deal with widely townread people derailing my pushes and town is way tf more likely to just push incorrectly because the poe is like 2 wolves and 3 non wolves instead of 2 wolves and 1 townie.
Well I didn’t think of that cause I’m not a wolf.LanMisa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:51 pmYou need to remember that Mafia had no way of knowing that their "easy" misyeet targets in TSP and Creature would go "poof" overnight. I assume Mafia thought that killing Mac would result in enough chaos to skate by another day and then go for either of the two to finish the game. My guess is that Mafia are potentially panicked and scrambling right now - despite town being smaller their road to victory just got a lot narrower.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:41 pm Like those kills happened because
1) There is at least one wolf in Dunn/Manny/Lan. You (LanMisa) are utterly rejecting this possibility. Fine.
2) There are no wolves in that group and the wolves want the town to think there is for a misyeet ftw.
Since you must think we’re in world 2, you should be looking at players trying to shade Manny/Dunn/Lan. There’s Chelsea. Okay. But where is her partner pushing this agenda and where are there townies falling for it?
So there's only two ways of breaking out: Expanding the circle of potential misyeets, or go into panic mode and do nothing/hope that the villager out of the remaining three non-towncore members dies
From the three of you, Lime seemed to be stuck in panic mode and not doing much, unless I misread him earlier. You and Chelsea seem to be doing the first, like with questioning all of Manny, Dunn and me.
Funny thing is, Chelsea felt truly frustrated earlier so of the three of you I townlean her more. You... seemed to be mostly skating by all game as far as I can tell. And now you start to become active?
Yes, but then I also considered "living a healthy life"Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:56 pmHave you considered amphetamines?LanMisa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:53 pmIn that case it falls to Manny to make a decision on whether to yeet or to sleep.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:44 pm I don’t want to sleep cause I think Manny is more likely than average to vote a wolf in lylo![]()
I laid out earlier why Sleeping puts me into an awkward position with this no majority no locked votes setup with a 3AM EOD but... it's a game, ultimately.
i alr said it multiple times, i dont think v!chels missreads w!brad this badly therefore w!brad = w!chels for meJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:20 pm This doesn’t really matter cause I’m not voting myself or Dunn but why can Brad not be a wolf with me or Dunn?
Yeah, you didn't think about it since you didn't really care about whether your perspective makes sense or not.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:57 pmWell I didn’t think of that cause I’m not a wolf.LanMisa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:51 pmYou need to remember that Mafia had no way of knowing that their "easy" misyeet targets in TSP and Creature would go "poof" overnight. I assume Mafia thought that killing Mac would result in enough chaos to skate by another day and then go for either of the two to finish the game. My guess is that Mafia are potentially panicked and scrambling right now - despite town being smaller their road to victory just got a lot narrower.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:41 pm Like those kills happened because
1) There is at least one wolf in Dunn/Manny/Lan. You (LanMisa) are utterly rejecting this possibility. Fine.
2) There are no wolves in that group and the wolves want the town to think there is for a misyeet ftw.
Since you must think we’re in world 2, you should be looking at players trying to shade Manny/Dunn/Lan. There’s Chelsea. Okay. But where is her partner pushing this agenda and where are there townies falling for it?
So there's only two ways of breaking out: Expanding the circle of potential misyeets, or go into panic mode and do nothing/hope that the villager out of the remaining three non-towncore members dies
From the three of you, Lime seemed to be stuck in panic mode and not doing much, unless I misread him earlier. You and Chelsea seem to be doing the first, like with questioning all of Manny, Dunn and me.
Funny thing is, Chelsea felt truly frustrated earlier so of the three of you I townlean her more. You... seemed to be mostly skating by all game as far as I can tell. And now you start to become active?
You need at least four people to vote with you to force through a vote here, Manny, and even then it's risky since both Mafia could last second switch if one is bussing and at least one town votes wrongly. I'd love to end things here and now but I feel like it is unwise to go for it.
Get Lan to vote the wolf in Lime and Chelsea and I won’t vote him today either.
Lime not knowing how many players are left itg probably means something lol
This is a really weird post. Townreads Chelsea for Chelsea’s read on Falcon….which like doesn’t actually exist in these posts Like quotes where Chelsea talks about Falcon.Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:44 amChelsea wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:39 pm [VOTE: Manny ] aubergine
Scotty's catchup is fine, it's really against the grain almost to such a point that it feels deliberate in a bad way but to act on this would be way too much ego for Day 1 for me. So I'll disregard that for now and trust Lime's read on the matter.
Lanmisa
Lime
Michelle
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Jack
Abi
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Dunnstral
MannyChelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:51 am Falcon I just want to play more, it's the slot you probably want to vig shoot over exeing because there's just nothing in it. The can't make lylo player until they post well. . .any opinion. (Curious as I wasn't expecting Lime and Dunnstral to also be on here. Did Dunn's LHF clause only count for D1?)
I have Longcon as a villager because they're not wolf with Mac or Scotty and if both those slots are a villager with how high volume of their. . .confidence we're in trouble. (I think Scotty's wolf equality is pretty high though) Independent of that the convo with Lanmisa felt pretty good so yeah.Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:49 amA shame, and I was looking forward to seeing you try to construct a wolf read on me it would've been a fun read considering my own opinion on the matter.Manny wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:45 amIll wait for Falcon to start postting to re-confirm my read or back off from it.
Mac just reminds me of me my semifinals champs game and he was V there.
It doesnt really have to do with us being pals and moreso that if im wrong and i actually get u killed is probably some degree of gamelosing and if you are actually a wolf i can /probably/ get around to it later.
As for Falcon, are you saying they are doing a wolfy pattern that you're trying to see continues or you want to be sure on the read before pushing it?Only read page 2 but this is what I got:Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:11 amMac's reads are bad but I don't know if he's town or not. Go read Scotty and tell me if I'm crazy for wolfrading that slot ty.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:10 am Someone tell me mac is town so I can not deal with reading him, tyty
One thing is her allowing people to have their read/attempting to listen to others on reads, specifically the Scotty reads from both myself and Nanook.
Her inviting Manny to try to scumread and push her feels somewhat towny to me.
Read on Falcon and Long Con post felt good in general.
Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:46 am Right, well obviously I couldn't make it. (Spending time with loved ones over mafia, worst choice of my life.)
Very interesting end results, I'll have to make personal vote counts due to how awful the layout for the ones here are.
Don't know how I feel about Mac probably being 0/3? Feels like they were wanting to chainsaw onto Brad because they know for a fact they can't incorrectly read me as a wolf without getting into a losing Thunderdome, will keep an eye on that.
Tony/Falcon/Scotty are my prime vote targets while I was reading in the night.
[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine
Falcon is top target for Chels. Later…”There’s nothing AI in Falcons iso.”Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:45 amI don't think anything in falcon's iso is an alignment initiative but perhaps I'm more lenient or have higher degree's for what I consider AI. if you think there's something I am blatantly missing let me know.Dunnstral wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:24 amI'm not voting them for low posting, and I don't think anybody else is either.Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:51 am Falcon I just want to play more, it's the slot you probably want to vig shoot over exeing because there's just nothing in it. The can't make lylo player until they post well. . .any opinion. (Curious as I wasn't expecting Lime and Dunnstral to also be on here. Did Dunn's LHF clause only count for D1?)
I have Longcon as a villager because they're not wolf with Mac or Scotty and if both those slots are a villager with how high volume of their. . .confidence we're in trouble. (I think Scotty's wolf equality is pretty high though) Independent of that the convo with Lanmisa felt pretty good so yeah.
Scotty was also one that threw me off (No offense Scotty) but I don't know if he was widely townread compared to the others?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:27 pmYeah. Wolves shooting poe LC and Mac to eliminate the 3P team instead of consensus townreads LAN and Dunn or basically mech confirmed Manny is…certainly a thing that happened.
Sig was tracker.Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:42 pm I don't believe Manny should be mechcleared, however given it seems I'm the only one who is even considering looking at that outcome I'll just have to ignore it because I doubt even if I was 100% confident I would have enough sway to push that over, so it's better for me to solve around it.
@Lime Coke do me a favor and put all the dead PR flips in a list and post it for me. Thank you.
I think anyone with a hint of meta on my wolf game knows I will never openly kill slots who are wolfreading me. Like, wolf me does not kill Mac there in any universe it's damn near clearing.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 6:33 pm The rest of Chelsea’s Falcon interactions don’t do much for me. I’m kinda skimming but she puts Falcon in the poe without saying anything bad about him until he’s fucked anyway, then says nobody deserves credit for the Falcon yeet cause he was just outted.
I think it’s a fair take if Chelsea had Manny as town because then it’s just Manny night info leading to a yeet but that’s not what happened.