The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:11 am**

Town: JJJ, MacDougall, Oddmerta, Sloonei, Strawhenge, falcon45ca, Esooa, Michelle

Light town: fingersplints, BoKnows, Nanook, tutuu, staypositivefriend

Null: Dom, Long Con

POE: Marmot, AL_sama, JPIC, KZA, TonyStarkPrime, tedxtr

Michelle shifted up for a really townie entrance. Nanook shifted down, still a townread, but the bar for being at the top tier is raised higher now and I have respect for his scum game. Marmot shifted down for reasons I've explained (I didn't like his interaction with KZA, and I thought he fit in the same position as he usually does as scum, gamestate-wise).

I have not had an easy time reading LC's posts strongly one way or another this game. He remains a null. tutuu is shifted up to light town for reasons discussed just above, and SPF is shifted up to light town for consistent good takes.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:14 am**

If I had to sort my POE it would be like this.

Upper POE: JPIC, Marmot, tedxtr

Lower POE: AL_sama, KZA, TSP

Mac's argument that JPIC self resolves is logical and is a reason not to exe JPIC as early since he might townclear himself later on if he's town. Marmot and ted's posting have been pretty meh but I don't have a slam dunk reason to vote them.

Everyone in the lower POE has given me a strong reason to think that they are scum.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:16 am**

Nobody should have respect for my scum game its more often than not poor

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:17 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:14 am If I had to sort my POE it would be like this.

Upper POE: JPIC, Marmot, tedxtr

Lower POE: AL_sama, KZA, TSP

Mac's argument that JPIC self resolves is logical and is a reason not to exe JPIC as early since he might townclear himself later on if he's town. Marmot and ted's posting have been pretty meh but I don't have a slam dunk reason to vote them.

Everyone in the lower POE has given me a strong reason to think that they are scum.

My what sorry

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:17 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:16 am Nobody should have respect for my scum game its more often than not poor

Would it be insulting to say that’s why you’re not a strong town read?

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:17 am**

Wait you wanna bury TSP too? That's tight.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:18 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:17 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:16 am Nobody should have respect for my scum game its more often than not poor
Would it be insulting to say that’s why you’re not a strong town read?

It would be more confusing than anything

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:19 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:53 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:46 am Calling my takes garbage is too much and uncalled for

Its just a game that u take way too seriously and u become abrasive as a result
What do you mean way too much? It isn't a personal attack, so it clearly doesn't step over conduct lines. I think your reads are bad, I make that opinion clear, and you respond by AtEing at me. If you wanna call that abrasive or think that I take mafia too seriously because I try my best to play well then go ahead, but there's a reason that people tend to follow my reads more than yours and it's because I make my reasoning for those reads transparent and logical. If you refuse to explain your most against-consensus reads then nobody will agree with you on them, and complaining about how you're being discriminated against just because you don't agree with the rest of the thread doesn't help town get there on mafia. So you're anti-town.

Im assuming it was here that everyone realised Alison and Tutuu were town

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:19 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:17 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:14 am If I had to sort my POE it would be like this.

Upper POE: JPIC, Marmot, tedxtr

Lower POE: AL_sama, KZA, TSP

Mac's argument that JPIC self resolves is logical and is a reason not to exe JPIC as early since he might townclear himself later on if he's town. Marmot and ted's posting have been pretty meh but I don't have a slam dunk reason to vote them.

Everyone in the lower POE has given me a strong reason to think that they are scum.
My what sorry

Weren't you arguing that JPIC is super polarized and will be outed as the game goes on anyway? Or am I misremembering?

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:19 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:18 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:17 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:16 am Nobody should have respect for my scum game its more often than not poor
Would it be insulting to say that’s why you’re not a strong town read?
It would be more confusing than anything

If you’re mafia I think your play would meet the criteria you provided there.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:20 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:19 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:53 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:46 am Calling my takes garbage is too much and uncalled for

Its just a game that u take way too seriously and u become abrasive as a result
What do you mean way too much? It isn't a personal attack, so it clearly doesn't step over conduct lines. I think your reads are bad, I make that opinion clear, and you respond by AtEing at me. If you wanna call that abrasive or think that I take mafia too seriously because I try my best to play well then go ahead, but there's a reason that people tend to follow my reads more than yours and it's because I make my reasoning for those reads transparent and logical. If you refuse to explain your most against-consensus reads then nobody will agree with you on them, and complaining about how you're being discriminated against just because you don't agree with the rest of the thread doesn't help town get there on mafia. So you're anti-town.
Im assuming it was here that everyone realised Alison and Tutuu were town

Yeah I townread her for it. Not really because of the frustration/emotion but just because of the mindset behind her refusing to get in line with people telling her to be more readable.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:22 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:17 am Wait you wanna bury TSP too? That's tight.

In Fallout I said that he seemed scummy because he was machine gunning out hot takes to try to match his town meta. I didn't put much genuine effort into figuring out how correct that analysis was because I was Metzger, but he did end up flipping scum. I think he is playing up his "says confusing things" persona a little too much here, in a very similar way.

Also his vote on Michelle was a total wolf move. I am happy to vote him out.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:22 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:19 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:18 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:17 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:16 am Nobody should have respect for my scum game its more often than not poor
Would it be insulting to say that’s why you’re not a strong town read?
It would be more confusing than anything
If you’re mafia I think your play would meet the criteria you provided there.

That its poor...? I don't think I'd be playing poorly if I were mafia in this position so I'm not sure I really follow your point beyond "heh I'm gonna take a jab at nanook lol"

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:22 am**

[VOTE: AL_sama] aubergine

Nobody trusts this slot, and getting a wagon up has been pulling teeth.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:25 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:22 am That its poor...? I don't think I'd be playing poorly if I were mafia in this position so I'm not sure I really follow your point beyond "heh I'm gonna take a jab at nanook lol"

Not poor in general, but poor if you’re mafia. You don’t have to agree. Not a terribly important point anyway.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:27 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:25 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:22 am That its poor...? I don't think I'd be playing poorly if I were mafia in this position so I'm not sure I really follow your point beyond "heh I'm gonna take a jab at nanook lol"
Not poor in general, but poor if you’re mafia. You don’t have to agree. Not a terribly important point anyway.

I mean

Hard to say but I think if I were mafia I'd be pretty happy with my position tbh

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:32 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:19 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:17 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:14 am If I had to sort my POE it would be like this.

Upper POE: JPIC, Marmot, tedxtr

Lower POE: AL_sama, KZA, TSP

Mac's argument that JPIC self resolves is logical and is a reason not to exe JPIC as early since he might townclear himself later on if he's town. Marmot and ted's posting have been pretty meh but I don't have a slam dunk reason to vote them.

Everyone in the lower POE has given me a strong reason to think that they are scum.
My what sorry
Weren't you arguing that JPIC is super polarized and will be outed as the game goes on anyway? Or am I misremembering?

I was saying he was polarised and is likely just mafia. I didn't say the other parts.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:34 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:27 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:25 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:22 am That its poor...? I don't think I'd be playing poorly if I were mafia in this position so I'm not sure I really follow your point beyond "heh I'm gonna take a jab at nanook lol"
Not poor in general, but poor if you’re mafia. You don’t have to agree. Not a terribly important point anyway.
I mean

Hard to say but I think if I were mafia I'd be pretty happy with my position tbh

Can't speak for him but I'm not scumreading you because you're trying a fair bit.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:34 am**

[VOTE: Al Sama] aubergine

There are too many slots that already need death.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:36 am**

[VOTE: Al Sama] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:55 am**

Spoiler: show

I don't have time to play at work

I looked earlier at the thread and i saw a post mentioning a tie between Marmot and Odd, now Marmot's wagon dissipated and Al is top wagon

I decided to keep this VC and I will do it again, i forgot we need some VCs.

I will cast a vote on Marmot, probably that wagon have to exist. No, i didn't read and I will appreciate if someone tells me a towny activity from Marmot explaining the votes movement.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:58 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:22 am [VOTE: AL_sama] aubergine

Nobody trusts this slot, and getting a wagon up has been pulling teeth.

I trust Al

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:58 am**

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:58 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:22 am [VOTE: AL_sama] aubergine

Nobody trusts this slot, and getting a wagon up has been pulling teeth.
I trust Al

And the wagon grew too fast

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:59 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:13 am For much the same reasons I don't believe in things like TWTBW.

TWTBW?

Thanks

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:03 am**

Also a “Joseph” has been mentioned several times. Who is that?

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:12 am**

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:59 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:13 am For much the same reasons I don't believe in things like TWTBW.
TWTBW?

Thanks

Too Wolfy To Be A Wolf

Basically means someone is being too obvious to actually be mafia, cause if they were mafia they wouldn't be as obvious

Its generally a dumb concept

Mac is Joseph

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:31 am**

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:58 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:58 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:22 am [VOTE: AL_sama] aubergine

Nobody trusts this slot, and getting a wagon up has been pulling teeth.
I trust Al
And the wagon grew too fast

That argument is used to indicate that someone on the mafia team is wagoning Al to save their teammate (here proposed to be Marmot). Who on the Al wagon is mafia?

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:47 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:31 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:58 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:58 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:22 am [VOTE: AL_sama] aubergine

Nobody trusts this slot, and getting a wagon up has been pulling teeth.
I trust Al
And the wagon grew too fast
That argument is used to indicate that someone on the mafia team is wagoning Al to save their teammate (here proposed to be Marmot). Who on the Al wagon is mafia?

Not necessarily, i saw townies sheeping each other to form a wagon, this is wifom, but if there are one wolf i don't have to guess without reading the thread.
I said I don't scum read Al and i think a wagon on him looks convenient. Al may be mafia and my read wrong, but when players like Jay and you can't find a better wagon than an LHF I feel that somethings not right.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:15 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:31 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:22 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:21 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:16 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:16 pm My only experience of marmot is that he is silly when mafia and pretty serious when town. My sample size is only three games so I acknowledge i need more data.
This is true based on the one game I saw him as Mafia
Which game was that?
Shadow Corridors

he was known as Thundercat, some sort of villainous alter ego of his I'm sure

Side note, since you bring this up. I wonder if @BoKnows ever realized he and I were teammates in that game.

Thundercat is a slappin bassist.

First time hearing about this

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:17 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:30 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:48 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:44 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:38 pm Can you expand your thoughts on Odd, and Straw please?
My read on Oddmerta is a bit of a product of my other reads. A lot of my town reads have to be wrong about Oddmerta for him to be mafia, and I don't think he's that suspicious myself anyway. If one of my town reads that has vouched for Oddmerta ends up mafia, perhaps that'll be something to revisit later. For now I'm fine with him.

Strawhenge is probably the easiest read on the board for me. His posts radiate the purity of a player returning after five years away from Mafia with a town role card, uncertainty about how to get into business, and an admirable motor to do it anyway.
I'm a huge fan of the Odd reasoning tbh. It reminds me of synthetic CDOs. You're betting (reading) on other peoples reads and hoping it all falls in place. Is there anything in Odds content that makes you believe he's town?

I do agree with this. I also think if Straw randed wolf in his first game back in five years he would be playing a little more conservative and not sticking out his neck like he did earlier today.

What's a CDO?

Collateral debt obligation. It's a finance term but when you're buying synthetic CDOs you're basically betting on other people's bets/investments.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:17 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:18 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:29 pm @falcon45ca can I get your thoughts on the karst topography in Yunnan province of China?
In the future don't post weird shit like this unless you want people to think you're signalling or softing something.

Sowwy

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:20 am**

I'm not a 100% sold on Al but I'll go over his ISO this morning, I do like the people on the wagon... @JaggedJimmyJay maybe I can trust you to my teammate on this one

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:38 am**

Skimmed through Al's ISO and was not impressed. Towards the end he made a giant read list and falcon said something like "it looks like you don't want to lynch anybody", and Al responded by saying he's not confident in his read list. If you're not confident enough in your reads why even bother making a readlist??? It seems like he made a readlist to just make a readlist.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:46 am**

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:38 am Skimmed through Al's ISO and was not impressed. Towards the end he made a giant read list and falcon said something like "it looks like you don't want to lynch anybody", and Al responded by saying he's not confident in his read list. If you're not confident enough in your reads why even bother making a readlist??? It seems like he made a readlist to just make a readlist.

i think this is w/w

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:48 am**

im back to scumreading jpic too

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:48 am**

Yeah I can see that.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:48 am**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:46 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:38 am Skimmed through Al's ISO and was not impressed. Towards the end he made a giant read list and falcon said something like "it looks like you don't want to lynch anybody", and Al responded by saying he's not confident in his read list. If you're not confident enough in your reads why even bother making a readlist??? It seems like he made a readlist to just make a readlist.
i think this is w/w

With who? Al and I?

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:48 am**

The changing tides. The wolf teammate wants to swim with them. Could be.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:49 am**

i wanna call michelle town unless al is town

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:49 am**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:49 am i wanna call michelle town unless al is town

Why

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:49 am**

Michelle is town either way imo

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:51 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:49 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:49 am i wanna call michelle town unless al is town
Why

If al is mafia i dont see michelle weakly defending a teammate like that and accomplishing nothing

If al is town michelle could be maf who thought it would be good to townread him

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:52 am**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:51 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:49 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:49 am i wanna call michelle town unless al is town
Why
If al is mafia i dont see michelle weakly defending a teammate like that and accomplishing nothing

If al is town michelle could be maf who thought it would be good to townread him

That doesn't fit your Michelle is town narrative though

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:53 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:49 am Michelle is town either way imo

Why?

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:53 am**

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:52 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:51 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:49 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:49 am i wanna call michelle town unless al is town
Why
If al is mafia i dont see michelle weakly defending a teammate like that and accomplishing nothing

If al is town michelle could be maf who thought it would be good to townread him
That doesn't fit your Michelle is town narrative though

how not?

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:54 am**

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:53 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:49 am Michelle is town either way imo
Why?

She's quite easy to read. She posts with a joyful spirit and reckless acquiescence as town.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:55 am**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:51 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:49 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:49 am i wanna call michelle town unless al is town
Why
If al is mafia i dont see michelle weakly defending a teammate like that and accomplishing nothing

If al is town michelle could be maf who thought it would be good to townread him

Yeah but Michelle is townie on play.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:56 am**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:53 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:52 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:51 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:49 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:49 am i wanna call michelle town unless al is town
Why
If al is mafia i dont see michelle weakly defending a teammate like that and accomplishing nothing

If al is town michelle could be maf who thought it would be good to townread him
That doesn't fit your Michelle is town narrative though
how not?

Wait I read it wrong... brutal.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:56 am**

@Justplayingitcool who mafia

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:57 am**

The paranoia about fast wagons, the concerted attempt to solve/catchup despite starting late into the thread, really pure sounding posts like the black coffee one, a disinterest in easy misexes and a true desire to search for truth, all point to town.

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