Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 3:51 pmyeah you caught me good jobBottom Text wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 3:42 pm
hmmmyes i roleblocked a PoE villager and didnt just claim town roleblocker
[VOTE: timsuptogettingserious] aubergine
i refuse to believe this is a real thought
It is pretty impressiveTonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 5:52 pmincredible. every time I'm blown away by the new heights reached.Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 9:53 am Also,
Julinook/Akemi/Mana probably contains the 3rd scum unless TAT was actual scum and knew I was fake because I said I had vanalizer and it can’t be in play or something.
I don't think this is correct in this caseTonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 6:03 pm alison/nutella is probably right and if town isn't lying. if no one claims to have blocked mana i see no particularly good reason why we shouldn't chop mana.
I'm reasonably sure bodyguard isn't a clearing claimtrans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 6:47 pmwhy?
i'm almost positive you're slot's a villager
i'm clearing poop explosions for mech/their push on me/general approach to this dayphase
and i'm clearing toopy and binoo for their claim because their interactions within it seem exceptionally genuine
i know you have some conflict with toopy and binoo but i'm like extremely confident they're a villager
Such narcissism, uwuPoop Explosions wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 7:19 pm Someone reply to this
Making sure my posts are still visible
Shroop reads are maybe the dumbest onestrans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 7:41 pm can't be a game from me without shrooping once. that's nai for me specifically btw. that's the main things i needed to note about hyena's gameplay anyways.
I'm breaking my policy of not talking to this slot just to say holy shit no this is a terrible thoughtToopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 9:04 pm I think it’s better to get rid of the lovers now, rather then have them sit in LYLO.
-Toopy
It is nottrans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 9:47 pmthis is a surprisingly high level of self-awareness
~mawile
I can't dictate what's surprising to you, but I am not surprisedJulinook wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 7:11 amIt is nottrans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 9:47 pmthis is a surprisingly high level of self-awareness
~mawile
Thats a townie thing for nutella at leastTimsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:53 pmThey are unrelated, but that's why I think you could be scum. I think you're playing opportunistically rather than with any set agenda, and I think you're pushes on people have been pretty bad.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 10:48 pm I think I made it pretty clear when I was moving my vote without alison's input, hyena i think youre reading too much into things that are unrelated
what you want to know?trans rights wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 8:54 am i wish falconknows actually responded to my posts regarding them. i don’t feel great about them flipping w but that further sours my read on them.
I really disagree with this take, based on experience more than anything, I feel like it's most likely that Two and through was bad (or 3p) than anything else. Why would scum want to obscure two and through? I just don't see the reasoning.trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 7:35 pm how are we actually being pushed right now? we have no idea what two and through actually was, but i think the role that janitored them was probably a wolf role. that's not really alignment indicative for them though. seriously though, either of two and through or bottom text being a wolf clears us straight up, along with being the top poster yesterday.
stop mindlessly tunneling my friend.
assuming Esooa, I feel this is true, but still firmly in scum range. It's not hard to fake, and it's hilarious regardless of AIBottom Text wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 7:37 pm frankly i think me prewriting a shitpost is extremely town AI of me but haters won't agree
Hi! This is Made! Myst, Have we played together? I know I've played with Vanity before.trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 7:38 pm It's been literally seven minutes and I'm already feeling myself getting tilted
mafia is fun
~mawile
Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 7:44 pmdo you remember what everyone did at preteen dances in school when the teachers weren't lookingFalconKnows wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 7:43 pm anyone know how to train Pokemon? I'm at the 8th gym but my Pokemon are all undertrained.
that
first person to push back on T&T as scum. Not sure what that means, but notable.Honey & Vinegar wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:09 pm Two & through could have been n0 janitor'd or something.
Or d1 janitored when they were a big wagon.
Also possible they were a wolf with a passive self janitor yeah.
I don't think we should play as if he was obv a wolf.
Bodyguard as in you protect the person you target or just protection from kills?Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:29 pmwe are a bodyguard actuallyHoney & Vinegar wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:24 pmBc phil is a magician and is the most likely to have a janitor abilityPoop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:23 pmhow did you know? also what does it matter?
I'll agree with this. 2 town found, few more to go and we're solvedtrans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:44 pm i think toopy and binoo are incredibly unlikely to make this claim as a wolf.
A lot of good interactions info in this post I think. I don't see Poop and synhyena being teammates here. I also don't see Poop and H&V being teamates here.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:45 pmMostly a conviction + meta thing, Urist's basically playing his own game of mafia in his corner of the thread and he believes in what he's doing.Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:41 pmWhy don't you go into more detail about H&V. Talk to me about them.Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:41 pmPoop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 7:30 pm We agreed AH and H&V are town with basically no discussion. I'm not sure what changed Mac's mind either.Yeah, no, fuck that. Practically everyone ignored H&V's existence yesterday. You don't get to come in here and suddenly have a read on them. I'm calling bullshit. I bet you didn't even read a single post of their's.
- Hyena
And in this week's screening of disingenuous cases, we have "You can't have a confident read on this slot if not enough other people were talking about them".
If you don't believe them, why not vote here?Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:46 pmyeah i don't believe this at allToopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:44 pm We sent them this:
Hello Two and Through! We are the Traitor!
We passively medium a mafia the phase after they die.
We also have a 1-Shot Vanillaizer that we can only use if a dead mafia tells us who to use it on!
If you need proof, we softed traitor in 1202 hoping maybe a scummate would pick up on it
Can you tell us who we should Vanalize and maybe also tell us your scum team? Just so we don’t end up pushing them.
Don’t worry we will avenge you!
They responded with this:
“We passively medium a mafia the phase after they die."
This is obviously a lie since we were town...nice try.
Question to thread: Does mafia have something material to gain out of pretend that TAT is town if they were scum? assuming TAT is mafia helps scum assuming it's not true, but i don't see how the other way around benefits town.Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:49 pm Don’t like the fact your trying to make people think that TAT could be scum.
Seems like wolf tactic Tbh.
But Binoo has you in their towncore.
I don't see why Syn/Hyena are so frustrated here. Weird look imoTimsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:50 pmbecause there is no incentive toToopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:48 pm
Why wouldn’t they just give me their scum team if they were Mafia?
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oh nvm i get it, they're roleplaying TimTimsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:54 pmmaybe if they have brain wormsToopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:54 pmYeah there is.Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:50 pmbecause there is no incentive toToopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:48 pm
Why wouldn’t they just give me their scum team if they were Mafia?
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They’d want me to use my fake ability I have so Town loses a PR.
this could deff be w/w tbhAkemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:01 pmTownie postPoop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 7:55 pm Should I do that thing where I believe someone's self meta town perspective just because they provided links, without actually clicking on the links? Obviously no.
Will I?
trans rights wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 8:54 am i wish falconknows actually responded to my posts regarding them. i don’t feel great about them flipping w but that further sours my read on them.
Yeah, what Bo said. Whatcha wanna know?FalconKnows wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 9:15 amwhat you want to know?trans rights wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 8:54 am i wish falconknows actually responded to my posts regarding them. i don’t feel great about them flipping w but that further sours my read on them.
H&V's train of thought to get to this conclusion mirrors mine perfectly, which makes me think that Falconknows seeing this reasoning as tmi is scummyFalconKnows wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:04 pmwhy did I read this as tmiHoney & Vinegar wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:09 pm Two & through could have been n0 janitor'd or something.
Or d1 janitored when they were a big wagon.
Also possible they were a wolf with a passive self janitor yeah.
I don't think we should play as if he was obv a wolf.
did you read my posts regarding you on the last page? because i threw out why i thought you were a wolf, and the interactions i had a problem with regarding you, and you did nothing with it.FalconKnows wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 9:15 amwhat you want to know?trans rights wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 8:54 am i wish falconknows actually responded to my posts regarding them. i don’t feel great about them flipping w but that further sours my read on them.
she's definitely played with you in a couple mashes on mu, particularly throne mash 2 and loz mash. otherwise i don't think she's played much with you, and i think that also might be the extent to which i've played with you.Mana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 9:19 amHi! This is Made! Myst, Have we played together? I know I've played with Vanity before.trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 7:38 pm It's been literally seven minutes and I'm already feeling myself getting tilted
mafia is fun
~mawile
Why?Honey & Vinegar wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:12 pmBad postAkemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:11 pmIt's weird that you described it as a bodyguard initially then, BG explicitly only targets lethal actions. If you thought it redirected all actions it would make more sense to call it a lightning rod or self redirector, no?Bottom Text wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:10 pmall. (which it does)Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:09 pm Question. When you mistakenly believed your role redirected all actions targeted at X and Y to you, did you believe it redirected all actions or only lethal actions?
games can be solved with wolf flips. interactions, spew, poe, etc. a single wolf flip can bust a game open just like that. if the janitor was wolf motivated (which seems very likely at this point), it's already done its job. all we can do is guess two and through's alignment based on the information we have at this point, and even though i can point to some slots i would clear if two and through was indeed a wolf, there's still tinfoil that exists due to the lack of information and the plausibility that two and through was a villager. if we know two and through's alignment, it makes our life easier at the end of the day.Mana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 9:15 am I'm made, catching up in real time, let's have some fun!!!I really disagree with this take, based on experience more than anything, I feel like it's most likely that Two and through was bad (or 3p) than anything else. Why would scum want to obscure two and through? I just don't see the reasoning.trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 7:35 pm how are we actually being pushed right now? we have no idea what two and through actually was, but i think the role that janitored them was probably a wolf role. that's not really alignment indicative for them though. seriously though, either of two and through or bottom text being a wolf clears us straight up, along with being the top poster yesterday.
stop mindlessly tunneling my friend.
That said, I don't see scum making this argument, so good look for trans rights.
If T&T is town, Alisontella is sus af for this. Imo there's a lot of risk for assuming mafia, and less risk for assuming town, and i don't like the lack of caution in making this scum sided assumption. Especially since most of the convo about T&T's alignment at this point has been pretty inconclusiveAkemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:14 pmHmHoney & Vinegar wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:11 pm If tat were mafia i assume they'd at least have the good sense to tell toopy to vanillize one of their scum partners.
If Tim is a wolf and receives what he thinks is a reaction test from a town medium, does he:
a) Clam up to avoid spewing people, or
b) Try to fake clear one of his partners?
If it's b) he has to calculate the possibility that Toopy goes public with it and thread suspect he anti spewed one of his teammates.
Ic...trans rights wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 10:27 amgames can be solved with wolf flips. interactions, spew, poe, etc. a single wolf flip can bust a game open just like that. if the janitor was wolf motivated (which seems very likely at this point), it's already done its job. all we can do is guess two and through's alignment based on the information we have at this point, and even though i can point to some slots i would clear if two and through was indeed a wolf, there's still tinfoil that exists due to the lack of information and the plausibility that two and through was a villager. if we know two and through's alignment, it makes our life easier at the end of the day.Mana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 9:15 am I'm made, catching up in real time, let's have some fun!!!I really disagree with this take, based on experience more than anything, I feel like it's most likely that Two and through was bad (or 3p) than anything else. Why would scum want to obscure two and through? I just don't see the reasoning.trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 7:35 pm how are we actually being pushed right now? we have no idea what two and through actually was, but i think the role that janitored them was probably a wolf role. that's not really alignment indicative for them though. seriously though, either of two and through or bottom text being a wolf clears us straight up, along with being the top poster yesterday.
stop mindlessly tunneling my friend.
That said, I don't see scum making this argument, so good look for trans rights.
I'll sponsor this for now.
akemi and julinook are the ones that immediately stand out to me as likely being just village based on two and through w. timsuptogettinserious also looks villagery for that flip but less conclusively in my eyes. however, i haven't read the iso for spew for obvious reasons.Mana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 10:29 amIc...trans rights wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 10:27 amgames can be solved with wolf flips. interactions, spew, poe, etc. a single wolf flip can bust a game open just like that. if the janitor was wolf motivated (which seems very likely at this point), it's already done its job. all we can do is guess two and through's alignment based on the information we have at this point, and even though i can point to some slots i would clear if two and through was indeed a wolf, there's still tinfoil that exists due to the lack of information and the plausibility that two and through was a villager. if we know two and through's alignment, it makes our life easier at the end of the day.Mana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 9:15 am I'm made, catching up in real time, let's have some fun!!!I really disagree with this take, based on experience more than anything, I feel like it's most likely that Two and through was bad (or 3p) than anything else. Why would scum want to obscure two and through? I just don't see the reasoning.trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 7:35 pm how are we actually being pushed right now? we have no idea what two and through actually was, but i think the role that janitored them was probably a wolf role. that's not really alignment indicative for them though. seriously though, either of two and through or bottom text being a wolf clears us straight up, along with being the top poster yesterday.
stop mindlessly tunneling my friend.
That said, I don't see scum making this argument, so good look for trans rights.
can you point to those slots for the record?
oh jk, this is my 4th town readMana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 10:31 amI'll sponsor this for now.
3 town, 2ez, game is won
linki:
it basically all works around how they would spin their perspective. if their agenda works around two and through being a villager, then of course they would do it. however, it's more nai to me because it's based on how the wolves would spin the information and the assumption itself doesn't really benefit them.Mana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 10:04 amQuestion to thread: Does mafia have something material to gain out of pretend that TAT is town if they were scum? assuming TAT is mafia helps scum assuming it's not true, but i don't see how the other way around benefits town.Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:49 pm Don’t like the fact your trying to make people think that TAT could be scum.
Seems like wolf tactic Tbh.
But Binoo has you in their towncore.
Also, based on the fact that I'm a one shot, all the claims so far have been one shots, and the fact that no one has yet claimed to know why T&T didn't flip, we can assume the nonflip is scum motivated.
i'm not clearing h&v because of their claim, and i can't definitely clear julinook. otherwise this is fine to me.Mana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 10:34 amlinki:
Almost for got about Julinook
So Transrights, H&V, ToppyandBinoo, TPIC, Julinook, and Me for towncore. Thoughts?
Bodyguard eats the NK instead of their targetMana wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 9:39 amBodyguard as in you protect the person you target or just protection from kills?Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:29 pmwe are a bodyguard actuallyHoney & Vinegar wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:24 pmBc phil is a magician and is the most likely to have a janitor abilityPoop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:23 pmhow did you know? also what does it matter?
tf? At this point Poop's read on my slot was exactly "Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:25 pm Poop your best read is probably your read on Mana.
[VOTE: Mana] aubergine
"Why does TPIC deserve credit for clearing Toopy?Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:48 pm **SNIP**
TSPIC is town because of their townclearing Toopy and having a good chance of being the town counterwagon from D1 wagonomics (it beggars belief that there are 0 wolves between BT/TAT/Mana, and TSPIC had pressure on them at the same time all of those slots were being run up).
trans rights are townie on play and cleared from pushes if either BT or TAT are mafia, and it seems to me very likely that at least one of those two are mafia.
**SNIP**
AH-WPoop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:09 pmAH v
BT v
FK w
H&V w
Julinook v
Mana w
Tim v
TSPIC v
T&B v
tr v
-c4