Re: Space Invaders [Night 3]
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:05 pm
Would you want to kill outside of us 3 if you weren't in the three?
Dont think I followed that all. Can you reword it and replace Gusto with another word?Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:18 pm I want to make sure I understand the reasoning behind why it has to be you three. Why couldn't any given wolfteam decide to go for the Gusto and hope that some bunkers will save their protect, believing no one would dare attack Nutella with our awesome plan. It has occurred to me to do such a deceptive thing in order to save protects for later.
I flirted with the idea of Epi being a 5heads pretending to be a 3head ages ago. They would do exactly this type of play you suggest. Its kind of what Alison did with epi as well. Think they are scummy and then townread them assuming they are doing some advanced strategy. In my deepest of hearts, I I hope so (because thats so much more awesome), but I wouldnt bet money on it. The problem is that by saying it, it gives Epi the opportunity to do it and the idea (if they didnt already).Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:26 pm I mean, what I really believe, is that Epignosis didn't waste one of his valuable protects on Night 1. Him saying it was enough, I hope that I'm right, because that would be awesome... we'll find out after the game. I mean, it should be a big part of the game, claiming one thing in the thread, and doing another, to mess with the Aliens. I get that there's a Bunker Plan that everyone should follow, but that doesn't preclude the temptation to become a rogue element in order to gain advantage later in the game.
Is the plan to kill a specific three players in order really that solid? Does it consider rogue elements and the risk calculations that may be happening in the Alien camp?
i am pretty sure dizzy in their grave is telling you to abort this fucking plan lol.protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:39 pm Also, I am committed to the plan now since I pushed it and someone within the 4 died
I must atone for the mistakes with death. I have brought great dishonour.dunya wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:46 pmi am pretty sure dizzy in their grave is telling you to abort this fucking plan lol.protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:39 pm Also, I am committed to the plan now since I pushed it and someone within the 4 died
Too many sunk costs already, might as well kill em alldunya wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:46 pmi am pretty sure dizzy in their grave is telling you to abort this fucking plan lol.protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:39 pm Also, I am committed to the plan now since I pushed it and someone within the 4 died
why r u coasting? why arent you hunting?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:52 pmToo many sunk costs already, might as well kill em alldunya wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:46 pmi am pretty sure dizzy in their grave is telling you to abort this fucking plan lol.protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:39 pm Also, I am committed to the plan now since I pushed it and someone within the 4 died
The Q.E.D. does relate to that.protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:42 amI assume Q.E.D. relates to this being proof of autism rather than agreeing with the content of my post. Let me know either way.Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:07 amQ.E.D.protocultures wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:26 amHands up. I made a mistake on alien KP with 2 alive. It's been consistent the entire game thinking 2kp until 2. You can iso my posts and check it.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:46 am I'm up to Page 42
This derp though. Is this strange when Proto has spent over half the time talking about math and mechanics, to not know the scum's KP?protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:50 pm I feel like we have near auto because aliens only have 1kp forever now and there should be other people cleared. I want to say Tony is also cleared but not 100% sure if they were hard scumreading rej early on.
This is very interesting. Cause the world I have in mind is Proto/Carot. I feel Proto is deliberately handling Carot with silk gloves. If this is the team it looks like they're purposefully hard defending each other, maybe from the assumptions that's been floated that scum would rather bus. Would be cool if correct. There's a lot of people I town read and I have a hard time seeing other solutions. It's weird, but so weird that it makes sense to me.Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:37 am* protocultures has become my strongest townread, and by a good margin
Question for you: You've been wrong on Soneji. You've been kind of wrong on Rej. Why are you still so intent on reading Epi scum? What makes you think you're qualified to make that read? It feels like you're just going and going to have something to do. Epi has clearly said he doesn't care about your math. Neither do I. Scum can post pro town strategy all day long. Doesn't mean they're town. Town can care less about mechanics. Doesn't mean they're scum.protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:49 am I mathed why its BAD to save non nutella people with this many players remaning.
This is slightly just a rant about mafia in general. But this is a game with people in it. It's about understanding human behavior. Emotions is a big part of human behavior. I'm so confused by the statement "how can you expect us to read emotions" cause that's like... totally a normal part of life and it naturally leaks into mafia games too. Mafia is not a game about logic, first and foremost in my opinion. I respect different views, I just failed to not rant a bit about this.protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:09 amThis explanation is the type I hate because its pure emotion, and how can other people try and read that?
Can you try and explain your emotion as to why we lose after one missed laser shot?
That is probably why I thought of it. =p But I'm over it since you indeed were here N1.
You can tinfoil and think I breadcrumbed THAT as well. If so, I guess it's a respect scum read? Or tinfoil square and think my raising the possibility of breadcrumbing in the mistake is scummy.
I protect carotenoid because I townread them and don't think there is enough proof to flip my read. If there were I would be joining them.
I had null reads on Soneji and Rej. Kinda thought Soneji was more likely town but I didn't hard defend them. I'm open to re-evaluating epi. Have asked twice for links to their prev games. I think the flip post mortem makes it less likely they are alien. Let me know when you catch up fully.
What makes anyone qualified to do anything? What even is this question. You play mafia, you make reads. Didn't realise we needed a certificate of qualification. I can apply if there is a process.
People can say don't care about mechanics. If I determine they have the ability to work through it and wilfully choose not to, I make conclusions. Some people aren't logical - yes. I hate it.
Scum are unlikely to post pro town mechanical strategy. They don't need to. The majority of the game either doesn't care about it or doesn't want to engage it or hasn't thought about it at all or just doesn't get it. This isn't a normal game. This is a mech heavy game imo. Town can do disastrously worse depending on decisions. If I was scum I would be pushing the agenda of "ignore math - find scum - save townies".
How can you really read emotion on forum.
I'm sad. Am I lying?
My question to tutuu was legit. Their statement made no sense. I asked for an explanation other than "it was the feeling I had at the time". You got to have some inkling of why something made you feel this way. To flip it, if every time someone asks me to justify something I say it was a feeling, could you read me on that? Feels like a soft shielding on your part.
If it helps, I self diagnose as on the spectrum (mild aspergers). Some people agree and some disagree. Almost all would say I demonstrate some of the behaviours, it just seems to be about degree.
No offence taken and I assumed this was your revelation but even I know I can't speculate since it might be viewed as me trying to say something about your son.
I guess I have to hard town read you even more now because I struggle to live in a world where someone who doesn't kill new people early in games finds a way to call a new person autistic.
protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:15 amused by a speaker to refer to himself or herself and one or more other people as the object of a verb or preposition?
what if you're an alien just saying this so you can kill himprotocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:14 pm Well, I am going to do something uncharacteristic.
I basically think Epi is now so hard town now that it may as well be mod confirmed and I am locking in a save for Epi, so please dont stack saves on them.
Its also fine. Another reason I am okay dumping saves is Its quite likely I get lasered tomorrow anyway.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:16 pmwhat if you're an alien just saying this so you can kill himprotocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:14 pm Well, I am going to do something uncharacteristic.
I basically think Epi is now so hard town now that it may as well be mod confirmed and I am locking in a save for Epi, so please dont stack saves on them.
You talk as though you're not even sure if you're an alien or not. Like you'll be anxiously awaiting your flip if you get lasered.protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:19 pmIts also fine. Another reason I am okay dumping saves is Its quite likely I get lasered tomorrow anyway.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:16 pmwhat if you're an alien just saying this so you can kill himprotocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:14 pm Well, I am going to do something uncharacteristic.
I basically think Epi is now so hard town now that it may as well be mod confirmed and I am locking in a save for Epi, so please dont stack saves on them.
Its good you are suspicious of me. It makes it more likely you kill all of us after my flip.
poeple can flame me if I am wrong, they should have convinced you HARDER.
Can't say I understand why you say that from either a logic perspective or a perception perspective of how people will read you from posting that.sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:39 pmYou talk as though you're not even sure if you're an alien or not. Like you'll be anxiously awaiting your flip if you get lasered.protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:19 pmIts also fine. Another reason I am okay dumping saves is Its quite likely I get lasered tomorrow anyway.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:16 pmwhat if you're an alien just saying this so you can kill himprotocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:14 pm Well, I am going to do something uncharacteristic.
I basically think Epi is now so hard town now that it may as well be mod confirmed and I am locking in a save for Epi, so please dont stack saves on them.
Its good you are suspicious of me. It makes it more likely you kill all of us after my flip.
poeple can flame me if I am wrong, they should have convinced you HARDER.
If this isn't a trap post, you are like X3 random alien.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:56 pm Epi/Proto alien scum theater firming up in the betting market
whyprotocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:02 pmIf this isn't a trap post, you are like X3 random alien.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:56 pm Epi/Proto alien scum theater firming up in the betting market
I can only hope that some day someone somewhere will understand me or my sense of humor. It's a dream of mine. Never give up!protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:54 pmCan't say I understand why you say that from either a logic perspective or a perception perspective of how people will read you from posting that.sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:39 pmYou talk as though you're not even sure if you're an alien or not. Like you'll be anxiously awaiting your flip if you get lasered.protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:19 pmIts also fine. Another reason I am okay dumping saves is Its quite likely I get lasered tomorrow anyway.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:16 pmwhat if you're an alien just saying this so you can kill himprotocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:14 pm Well, I am going to do something uncharacteristic.
I basically think Epi is now so hard town now that it may as well be mod confirmed and I am locking in a save for Epi, so please dont stack saves on them.
Its good you are suspicious of me. It makes it more likely you kill all of us after my flip.
poeple can flame me if I am wrong, they should have convinced you HARDER.
I'm town. I know I am town if that helps. Nutella doesn't know for sure I am town. I don't think me repeating "I'm town don't shoot me" would/should away Nutella.
You'd be surprised. That's half my strategy in most games.protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:54 pm I don't think me repeating "I'm town don't shoot me" would/should away Nutella.
What did you think of my criticism of that plan, re: Rogue Elements and Alien Risk Assessment?protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:07 pmShooting into Nutella night 2 protectors. Dizzy TSP Dunya Proto.
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:08 pmYou'd be surprised. That's half my strategy in most games.protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:54 pm I don't think me repeating "I'm town don't shoot me" would/should away Nutella.
I'm slightly intentionally scummy to get shot after which I hope Nutella feels committed to shooting TSP and Dunya as well. As I said, if it's wrong I don't mind being flamed. I also volunteered to go next.sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:07 pmI can only hope that some day someone somewhere will understand me or my sense of humor. It's a dream of mine. Never give up!protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:54 pmCan't say I understand why you say that from either a logic perspective or a perception perspective of how people will read you from posting that.sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:39 pmYou talk as though you're not even sure if you're an alien or not. Like you'll be anxiously awaiting your flip if you get lasered.protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:19 pmIts also fine. Another reason I am okay dumping saves is Its quite likely I get lasered tomorrow anyway.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:16 pmwhat if you're an alien just saying this so you can kill himprotocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:14 pm Well, I am going to do something uncharacteristic.
I basically think Epi is now so hard town now that it may as well be mod confirmed and I am locking in a save for Epi, so please dont stack saves on them.
Its good you are suspicious of me. It makes it more likely you kill all of us after my flip.
poeple can flame me if I am wrong, they should have convinced you HARDER.
I'm town. I know I am town if that helps. Nutella doesn't know for sure I am town. I don't think me repeating "I'm town don't shoot me" would/should away Nutella.
Also, I'm saying it's an interesting strategy to be so confusing on purpose that it appears as though you don't even know who you are.
You have a very spock way of thinking. I've always liked spock. I'm a very logical literal person myself.
But that's when your potato pass ends.
DammitMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:15 pmthat was the other game lol
yeah ur good
why the fuck don't i ever get a potato pass?
i'm growing potatoes! a shitload of them. i'll show you all if they actually come out good lol.