the people in "not reading lol" are not placed in PoE because I believe they're self resolving ; gun to head I'd say tutuu is probably townier than hally and if there would have to be a scum there, it's probably Hally (again, not saying there HAS TO BE ONE, just that, without reading their ISOs and going off what I've skimmed and feels and stuff, Hally looks worse than tutuu. They are in "not reading" because they have too many poasts and technically, they aren't scum reads or town reads of mine, they are more like...they get self-resolved. simple as that. Hally!scum top posting signs herself to a death wish late game. She'd have to answer a shitty question to fight against "why is Hally alive?" etc etc)
villas bracket
Nanook - actually haven't read his posts in isolation, I went with my gut feel of what I've skimmed and he doesn't really look like he's posting with an agenda to me. figures shit out, wants to yeet low posters whereas scum wouldn't be leading yeets there imo. level 1 stuff that I'm fine having him town for.
Poison - self-explanatory, everybody has the read.
112 - feel like she's stark different from her wolf play. Don't think she starts early game with reads, she keeps solving, has heaps between one liners and more depth of thought things. Liking pretty much ~all of her takes and comments. I'd be surprised if I'm being fooled here. It'd have to be a major improvement.
weaker villas
Michelle - liked her snark early on, liking the Poison push, her dunya case is good, think I can see some residue of her previous town meta in the way she's approaching her pushes.
TSP - Yeah so thinking about it, my case wasn't that good (which I've mentioned!) and they had a reasonable explanation for each and every loop hole. The way they've reacted to people poking holes in his reads and actions was prettay villager-y, the post I've quoted was pretty good. I'll just assume he's a town for now.
LC - I believe this is probably a stellar performance for him if he's a wolf. He's doing all the right things. Correcting people on their pushes on him (Hally calling him town for not being scum, he replied with "I'd copy my meta perfectly"), calling people out for town leaning him. I believe I can see some reasoning behind some of his pushes but he doesn't look like he wants to get any credit out of it. I believe if he's a wolf, he's posting primarily with the agenda of being town read and nothing else, and still, he'd be correcting a few holes in his scum play but allowing others to make him susceptible to scum reads, so that doesn't make a ton of sense in my head if he's a wolf looking to act exactly against his usual scum meta and more like his town meta ; I believe he'd leave some of his specific town tells out of this and he'd get greedy, copying it tell for tell is kind of a gambit, I think, and perhaps a bit too much even for LC. Could be wrong, that's why he's in weak villa.
PoE - not scum reads, just people that didn't make it in the villa / weak villa pile
@tutuu If I'm in a final 3 with Arete and anyone else, I snapvote the person who isn't Arete and say GG.
@Hally I had a wacky dream last night. For some reason, we were playing Among Us and I was Impostor with you. And we swept the game. And I was very happy about it.
It makes me hope you're town.
I don't think Hally's EoD was very good, though, but maybe it's because I'm biased against TSP. It felt like Hally was trying to make sure that mafia was not getting killed. I really hate the push on TripleHaven, and TH's flip did not surprise me whatsoever.
Disclaimer: EoD was in the middle of the night for me, so I couldn't attend. Please don't take me to LyLo, or I'm going to cry, because I won't have as much time to make a decision as the other players there.
Catching up took me a while, and I have classes today all day long, so don't expect me to post much. I'm updated regarding the current events, though.
I didn't really like 112's EoD, although if TSP is town, she looks better for defending him when she didn't have to.
TSP's post everybody mentioned is indeed towny, but I don't think it's clearing. It makes me want to go elsewhere tomorrow, though.
I think Michelle vs Poison is TvT.
I am running out of scumreads.
Is there a way to check vote history on this site? I'd like to see how exactly the wagons moved.
noted this mindmeld i made in big sized text, i just want to point out i have seen it..
[mention]Vulgard[/mention] you have 2 VCs in my Iso i took during the day, viewtopic.php?f=100&t=1953&p=672348#p672348 this was around 11 hours before eod viewtopic.php?f=100&t=1953&p=672465#p672465 this is approx with 7 hours before eod
you can work with them if you want to check history, or you search for aubergine, the colour of the vote - like for eg make my ISO and ctrl+f aubergine and you have 2 results in my page one, who are my votes and one result in page 2 who is for a quoted vote. I have 50 ppp, i would like to have 100, would be easier.
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:24 am
[ytubehd][/ytubehd]
Looks interesting Michelle
I didnt know ur into theatre. Math and theatre? Damn, youre into some intellectual hobbies xP
What about tea? I bet u love tea too
Someone educated me and made me to watch ballet, i would choose Tchaikovsky and Swan Lake if it would be on the poll.
I am a nerd after all
Tea is to never reffuse, coffee is life. Chocolate is heaven
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:57 am
by Michelle
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:09 am
Ive never seen poison chan arguing with someone dunno what happened betwith her and michelle
if she is town it's paranoia, if she is wolf she tries to discredit me. I go for the second, for a reason.
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:57 am
by tutuu
Im imagining u with huge glasses now. U neeerd xP. Ill make u a hot chocolate if u ever come over
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:01 am
by Michelle
dunya wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:22 am
For my replacement: pls yeet ted ok thx bai
brain food here tbh
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:02 am
by Michelle
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:57 am
Im imagining u with huge glasses now. U neeerd xP. Ill make u a hot chocolate if u ever come over
until this summer i didn't need them but now i have a cute nice small pair of glasses
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:07 am
by Michelle
btw thanks for chocolate, will help me to think ^^
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:09 am
by Vulgard
[mention]Michelle[/mention]
Are the votes displayed in order of being cast? I don't think I was the first person on TSP, for instance. I think I was... fourth?
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:11 am
by Michelle
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:09 am
@Michelle
Are the votes displayed in order of being cast? I don't think I was the first person on TSP, for instance. I think I was... fourth?
nope, the order is changing, idk why
to find the order, search for votes and the time when they were casted. Who voted only on the poll is more suspicious imo, town usually shows this activity.
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:24 am
by Vulgard
I don't know about you guys, but I think Michelle has been getting progressively townier. The take just above this post is something I really like. I don't think mafia would consider "who voted only on the poll is more suspicious, because showing your votes in the thread is a towny activity."
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:25 am
by Vulgard
I need to check the TH wagon. I find it really sketchy how it appeared at EoD, was pushed by Hally without evaluating why it might be bad (at least, that is the way I think about it), then people just hopped onto it casually and it flipped. I don't think anyone had a good reason to hop onto it, and yet it went over.
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:27 am
by Vulgard
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:42 pm
how do i use this aubergine function to search up votes? i tried searching but it gave results across all forums. then i limited search to only active mafia games but it didnt give result with votes. just other mentions of the word aubergnie
I just got jebaited exactly like this. I should've remembered you write this post. It came up when I did the exact same thing you did.
...Wait. Only tutuu's vote on TripleHaven was actually written out in the thread, according to my "vote: triplehaven" search results.
What the hell? How did TH get lynched?
That doesn't show any votes for me, it just shows mentions of the word "aubergine" in people's posts, not actual votes.
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:35 am
by Vulgard
Like, the TripleHaven wagon has no traction in any of Michelle's VCs. None.
I see tutuu's vote in the thread, but that's... it. And I'm SURE that there were at least four votes on TH at EoD, otherwise she wouldn't have been yeeted.
Did people just... silently vote in the poll without talking about it?
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:35 am
by Vulgard
If so, then this is the scummiest CFD off TSP I have ever seen in my life.
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:35 am
by tedxtr
I am 80% sure Wilgy voted TH
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:36 am
by Vulgard
People were like "let's kill the 2-poster" and for some reason, people were on board with that. That was really, really bad and I had higher expectations.
Which is why I'm trying to find the TH voters, but I'm coming up short.
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:37 am
by Vulgard
I particularly remember Hally supporting this, which is why I'm singling them out, but they weren't the only one on the wagon.
I could re-read EoD, but I don't actually have a way to check who was REALLY voting TH at EoD, do I?
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:39 am
by Vulgard
Yeah, Hally was like "let's murder the lurker, murder the lurker."
The only reason I'm not calling Hally 100% mafia is because I don't think they would be so blatant in an attempt to save mafia!TSP. And if TSP is town, it's not necessary to do for mafia!Hally, at all. They can just let TSP get yeeted instead of kickstarting another wagon on a townie and making themselves look worse in light of the town flip.
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:40 am
by Michelle
votes from page 40 to end of day first vote around my first VC from the hour if i am not making a mistake
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:00 pm
somebody do something interesting
Ok, I'll [VOTE:
dunya] aubergine. I kinda liked Michelle's case on her.
Poison Chan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:14 pm
Actually lemme, let's see. Whoever lock town reads Michelle please amuse me why they are town? [VOTE:
Michelle] aubergine
112 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:05 pm
changing my vote to:
[VOTE:
Dunya] aubergine
Hally wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:33 am
im fine with giving michelle another day since some of my tr’s think she’s town for reasons that i could see. also just would suck to eliminate town!mich D1 because i think we can get there on her if she’s town and has more time to find her footing
putting my vote on wilgy for now to make a counterwagon to tony
[VOTE:
wilgy] aubergine
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:40 am
by Vulgard
Which is, again, why I really need to know who else voted there and made this happen, minus tutuu.
I love the fact Ash was so obviously against the TH CFD. He was like "why???" and I really felt that.
Tutuu is someone I have to re-read. People are saying she is squarely in townmeta and I've believed it so far. I'm not sure if someone who hasn't randed scum for literal YEARS (apparently?) can bamboozle this entire playerlist after finally randing mafia. If she can, then kudos to her. But I'd like to figure out for myself whether I still think she's town.
That doesn't show any votes for me, it just shows mentions of the word "aubergine" in people's posts, not actual votes.
because you searched in the forum's search not in the browser's search
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:42 am
by Vulgard
So, the public votes go tutuu->Hally->...no one? Yeeted with two votes??
Didn't Tony/Wilgy have more public votes? What happened there?
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:44 am
by Michelle
[mention]G-Man[/mention] please give us the final VC sir
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:44 am
by Vulgard
This is the first time I'm playing a game where you can't see who was voting where at EoD. This really hampers me when I can't be there for EoD to see the votes on the poll in real time.
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:45 am
by Vulgard
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:44 am
@G-Man please give us the final VC sir
That doesn't show any votes for me, it just shows mentions of the word "aubergine" in people's posts, not actual votes.
because you searched in the forum's search not in the browser's search
Huh. You're right, that's probably better, although less efficient.
Thanks!
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:46 am
by Michelle
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:44 am
This is the first time I'm playing a game where you can't see who was voting where at EoD. This really hampers me when I can't be there for EoD to see the votes on the poll in real time.
is hard to be European
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:46 am
by Vulgard
Yeah, no, I firmly believe that Ash has had several very towny moments in this game, especially around EoD. I no longer think he's mafia.
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:44 am
This is the first time I'm playing a game where you can't see who was voting where at EoD. This really hampers me when I can't be there for EoD to see the votes on the poll in real time.
I genuinely struggle with this every day. Most of my friends are American. If I want to interact with them, I have to stay up late, but then I don't get enough sleep. If I want enough sleep, then I must go to bed earlier, which means I can't interact with most of my friends. I haven't figured out how to balance the two and become content with the situation.
It's a little sad. And obviously causes trouble when the EoD is at an hour like this, but that's another thing entirely.
Anyhow, I wouldn't clear TSP. He did write one very towny post, but I don't think it was in the "clearing" territory. I could see this come from mafia in some worlds.
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:50 am
by Vulgard
I should probably find a better push for tomorrow, but I'm struggling.
I think 112 has been playing in a very... passive way, if that makes sense. Even her votes seem to lack much conviction. It's very troublesome. She had this take that both me and Poison were mafia, but since then, she has simply abandoned it entirely without attempting to push it. The way I read the push initially was that it was going to continue for a while, but she just... dropped it after my response. I'm struggling to figure out whether it was town who changed their mind and didn't want to talk about it, or mafia who doesn't actually want a risky push and just abandons the idea entirely when it becomes dangerous to their position.
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:53 am
by Vulgard
For clarity, I associate the latter with 112's mafia play. My primary takeaways from reading 112's scumgame was that she didn't like to push people much and that she preferred to mostly follow the thread consensus. When asked for reads, she would give mostly unexplained takes on people.
In this game, I... don't think she's done anything different from that assessment, outside of her push on me and Poison, which didn't continue for a long while. It was a string of a few posts which simply cut off afterward, never to return again.
And that's what bothers me here. I genuinely think that I would townread her if she tunneled me more. As things are right now, I can't.
Or I could just be completely wrong and my assessment of 112's mafia play is really bad. That's also a possibility.
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:44 am
This is the first time I'm playing a game where you can't see who was voting where at EoD. This really hampers me when I can't be there for EoD to see the votes on the poll in real time.
I genuinely struggle with this every day. Most of my friends are American. If I want to interact with them, I have to stay up late, but then I don't get enough sleep. If I want enough sleep, then I must go to bed earlier, which means I can't interact with most of my friends. I haven't figured out how to balance the two and become content with the situation.
It's a little sad. And obviously causes trouble when the EoD is at an hour like this, but that's another thing entirely.
Anyhow, I wouldn't clear TSP. He did write one very towny post, but I don't think it was in the "clearing" territory. I could see this come from mafia in some worlds.
TSP is a very genuine poster, i will not advise to read him based on a post but many game days behavior if he is alive
The thing with EoD1 wagons is this. If we assume it was started by town (and I think that's very likely, with Hally and tutuu as the first two voters and with the wagon's initiation not making much sense for mafia!Hally), then I could 100% see a mafia member jumping onto it for funsies. If TSP is mafia, his partners have an extra reason to do this, so they will definitely do this. At least one of them most likely will.
If TSP is town, mafia might still want to do this (or at least one member), because splitting votes is usually a good thing for mafia teams to do.
So I think the TH wagon composition might be telling. It COULD be entirely pure, but it's worth looking at.
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:19 am
Is it bad that I suspect Hally because they were the equivalent of mafia in the dream I had, even though we were on the same team in that dream?
This is stupid, I should stop. The in-game reason is because of their EoD, since I found it suspicious how they were gunning for TripleHaven, the slanker with 2 posts who understandably flipped VT.
I mean
That was me gunning for trip and people begrudgingly agreeing FMPOV
Definitely would not classify Hally as gunning for her lol
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:57 am
by Vulgard
Right now I think I still want to flip TSP because it also helps with day 1 wagonomics. But if we can't see the votes on the poll, that's one fewer reason to flip him.
I think I'm one of very few people who think he still has potential to be mafia.
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:19 am
Is it bad that I suspect Hally because they were the equivalent of mafia in the dream I had, even though we were on the same team in that dream?
This is stupid, I should stop. The in-game reason is because of their EoD, since I found it suspicious how they were gunning for TripleHaven, the slanker with 2 posts who understandably flipped VT.
I mean
That was me gunning for trip and people begrudgingly agreeing FMPOV
Definitely would not classify Hally as gunning for her lol
I suppose so. You didn't even publicly vote there, though. Were you voting TH at EoD?
Hally definitely added significant traction to the TH wagon.
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:58 am
by Michelle
votes itt are not reflecting the poll so there is that
that was the last TSP wagon i saw, and is hard to think 3Hs lynch would have just 2 votes
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 1]
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:58 am
by Vulgard
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:57 am
Right now I think I still want to flip TSP because it also helps with day 1 wagonomics. But if we can't see the votes on the poll, that's one fewer reason to flip him.
I think I'm one of very few people who think he still has potential to be mafia.
I read his posts carefully and nothing he wrote inspired me to change my mind, outside of the one towny post everybody liked, which isn't 100% lock clearing to me.
brain food here tbh
