Escape From Russia [GAME OVER]

[tedxtr]

lol

i don't know why you'd change that part of your game specifically

why not?

you were hunting just fine enough, doing post count reads is lame

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

so basically, I'm here -

Hinata: sunshines and tangerines! (town)

Vulgard
Nanook
Hally
tutuu

Oikawa: Flattykawa (

Spoiler: show

tried hard but still cannot make it to nationals

) [townyvibes]
Ash
Arete
Dunya

Suna: sleeping monster! (comparatively less active and don't really remember much from them so will put them in NULL)

TripleHaven
wilgy
long con

annoying Kuroko no basuke fan(no idea until they flip)
Ted

Haikyuu haters(Scummish)
112
TonyStarkPrime
Michelle

Where is your vote on your first scum read?

Smh Penguin..

I think you know me well enough mich and the fact I don't really vote before EoD1 or at least if I'm not too sure about my read.

Doesn't matter how well I know you, I don't judge you by meta.

A vote creates pressure and a reason to react stronger from a townie to defend himself, and for mafia creates a movement itt to most probably save the wagoned wolf.
Not voting until you are sure is antitown to say at least. The vote is town's strongest weapon.

How many times i was explaining you things during a game? I think forgot

Oh really mich, you are not reading me by meta, yet I clearly remember you saying "Poison could be scum cause she is a easy bus" while interacting with Hally about the Dunya-Poiosn thingy before. I am pretty sure that counts as meta? Or do you not want to meta read me for something in particular.

Besides, voting is the strongest weapon of course and never did I miss voting for once, nor do I plan to, it's upto me when I vote for whom. About this being anti town, I'll rule that out cause from my perspective, having a lot of vote changes creates confusion for others who is trying to make a read out of the voter upon flipped or even when not flipped and myself as well.

Why do you want to make simple things complicated?

that sentence is for a case that happened, you should remember when you were day 1 bussed and sacrificed by a mafia team who received huge town cred for that action and idk if this counts as meta like you say

you can indeed vote whenever/whomever you want, but for me is odd to see you have a strong scum read for me and avoid to check it by a vote.

no mich, I'm not making things complicated.

you said you don't read me by meta, i just pointed it out that you read me by meta earlier this game, contradicting your later statement. As simple as that.

an old game event is not meta fmpov.

Meta is not what others are doing to you, but what you are doing in a game

[Vulgard]

There's also something very strange about Michelle using sort by postcount as a baseline, then townreading both lowest posters to some degree. That's the opposite of how it's supposed to work.

sort by postcount is a crutch, not an absolute reading receipe

I know. It's still strange.

1. "Sort by postcount, become werewolf expert."
2. "The two lowest posters are town, I think."
3. (Several doubts about the higher posters.)

It just doesn't really follow. I think it's spontaneous enough to actually be towny, but I need other people's input here.

[Poison]

Never thought TSP could be having 100+ posts tbh. Anyways, claims mafia in the first post. lots and lots of fluffs followed, their reaction to most of the posts are "hm" and "oh"s, locks town vulgard, doesn't believe ash being australian (?), doesn't like dunya, points out ash didn't look at the games he said he would? locks town nanook.

okay, so the thing is, as it seems, they tried to shade ash when there was a bit of w!ash thingy going on, and locked town read Vulgard and nanook, both being the easiest read in this game. they are not consistent about their read, dunya, tbh, i find inconsistency a town trait cause no one never knows, but her read on dunya seemed more like a fabricated confusion rather than a natural one , as if they wants to stay in a place from where they can take any direction and not get caught for inconsistency, I'm not sure if I could explain well enough but yeah.

they tried to make some game related posts and posted some "counterpoints" but those are weak and msotly very naive. they post more fluffs, tbh it is hard to distinguish between their fluffs and game related posts and i have no idea where to put those posts where they just did "hms" and "ohs" this bothers me specifically, cause they literally had given no reads on me even though i have 200+ posts , they simply hmmed me. [ngl, i don't like getting hmmed irl, hopefully I'm not being biased because of that]. upon asking about their reads, instead of explaining they became uncomfortable and went on like "maybe i'm wrong" they goes on a bit awkwardly with him being wrong,, later he announces he is bad at reading. Totally scummy.

they didn't really have a proper read list once in the game, with only slight wolfy or rather balanced reads on Dunya posted earlier in the game he just says he wouldn't chop dunya when 112 asked thier views on Dunya. I feel this is one of the simplest thing but extremely scummy in my opinion, idk ofc it doesn't apply to all or even for most, but from my experience scums forget about their reads or start being awkward when getting asked to expand more on the thought cause basically they didn't really have much on their reads, you know what I mean? this is a post that made me think that way. His tutuu reads are weirdest of all, i don't see much thought process there either, as if they are made for the sake of it just to make it look like they are indeed contributing or giving reads properly.

they have some what confusing words while explaining reads , and ended up having me, tutuu, dunya in the same category, which is kinda weird and felt a part of their flipfloping or rather balancing out everything. overall, scummy.

all their reads were vague with literally no confidence, quite a few mwntioning of "i can be wrong" , fluffs which are more forced than natural, pretending to contribute but never really did once, mostly chose the easiest reads to go with, basially they didn't have a proper shape in the game. i have played only one game with them before, he wasa town cleared by cop and i was 3P so didn't really give much attention to his play but yes, he was indeed among the low posters, compared to that, here he is a bit more in the post count but that's just NAI tbh. Would gladly vote this slot tbh.

[Michelle]

There's also something very strange about Michelle using sort by postcount as a baseline, then townreading both lowest posters to some degree. That's the opposite of how it's supposed to work.

sort by postcount is a crutch, not an absolute reading receipe

I know. It's still strange.

1. "Sort by postcount, become werewolf expert."
2. "The two lowest posters are town, I think."
3. (Several doubts about the higher posters.)

It just doesn't really follow. I think it's spontaneous enough to actually be towny, but I need other people's input here.

1. is helpful but like a machine needs a human pilot, it needs a player's insight
2. why not, lazy townies exist
3. power wolves also exist

Which makes me think she used sort by postcount to have a justification for her reads, not as something she is actually using to sort people out. But that's my theory. I'm not discouraging you from posting more, Michelle.

I don't need any justification for reads, I blurted them out as gut reads anyway, why should I start now to make it rocket science?

If i would need justification, I would put explanations before the vote, not the other way around. And I remember i explained my votes, even if very short, try other reason for why i did that

[Poison]

that took almost half an hour. tf! I need to compare both mich and TSP tbh but i have to ISO 112 as well. woah exhausted already. but would do it

[tutuu]

didnt read lol

[tutuu]

didnt read lol

the thread, not ur wall poison chan pls dont feel bad

[Poison]

didnt read lol

my half an hour

[Poison]

didnt read lol

the thread, not ur wall poison chan pls dont feel bad

oh thanks .hahaha

[Poison]

what are the chances that there's a possible jester and mich is one? it can't be that easy to catch w!mich, or would it?

[Poison]

I'm trying to read, but getting distracted badly. will be back after sometime i guess

[Michelle]

Dunya's Iso to check my vote and basically see if there is any change from what i remember

Sup

towniest of town. channeling my inner mac. am i doing it right?

No matter Dunya's AI i thing Nanook is town

I initially believed that tutuu's claim just now was towny, but then I realized it doesn't make sense for her to believe what she said. "Building imperfect cases on purpose and pointing it out for the sake of pocketing." That sounds like an incredibly forced reason to suggest that my push is not town-motivated.

I agree, but I also think it’s just simpler than that. It’s very very important to tutuu that the suspicion you’ve placed on her goes away. I think a townie looks at what you’ve written and says “well he’s wrong, but he’s reasonable, he’ll re-evaluate.” Tutuu comes at you all guns blazing.

not really a fan of this post

im a fan of this criticism, regardless of ash's alignment (unless w/w i guess, but i don't think so from the 6 and a half posts i have read so far)

nanook
ted
tutuu


are town

i dislike the certainty of reads

michelle sus

Mission accomplished, i can go to sleep now

kinda early for sleep, no?

~the sleep tell~

sleep tell is invented here

Looks like i have to explain to you too that i am changing playstyle dramatically

hmmm, too defensive.

second post of shading me, no wonder she puts me as scum read, but i see zero intent to solve my slot

no michelle, i've played with you before and know your style. also i do pay attention to natives vs non-natives in how they express themselves

language used gives us a lot of context clues imo

Style is not a piece of steel, it changes

im not in a good mood, tbh so i'll come back again later and try again

I know i liked this post, but let's check what happened later

sorry guys, i was feeling pretty lousy and turns out i had some food poisoning and im still a little out of it but im here

gth reads without reading the thread, but a few tone-posts from each player here we go

112 - w
Arete - t
Ash Lael - w
DrWilgy - t
Hally - w
Long Con - t
Michelle - w
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - t
Poison Chan - t
tedxtr - w
TonyStarkPrime - t
TripleHaven - t
tutuu - t
Vulgard - t

my poe is
112
ash
hally
michelle
ted

i wanna say my strongest town reads are nanook and longcon tbh. my weakest wolf read is ted, so i will not vote for him until day 3 at least.

the person i think most likely could swing w from my t reads is vulgard for possible tmi, but i will eventually read up (or not) see what he has to offer.

high poster hally in a vacuum should be town, but i felt like she was gaslighting us with questions and content which she doesn't really build from. like they're prods and questions which she doesn't really care about one way or the other.

don't really know much about tsp, except he didn't like one of my posts and i like that reaction. no idea if triplehaven has posted yet, i'll get there.

wilgy im giving a soul town read to.

Solid reads

DrWilgy has exactly one post and it's a nothing-post. But that's towny in a vacuum.
Probably would not kill today.

Michelle still hasn't given me anything to read her either way. I might just hop into her ISO and force myself to have a read on her.

You can’t possibly be serious. You’re townreading someone for lurking?

Like, sure, I don’t mind withholding judgement till he gives us something to work with. But giving him an actual townread? As if no wolf has ever low-posted? That’s absurd.

i dont like this. it's got a very holier than thou tone over someone's reasoning, which discredits vulgard's authority and voice rather than implore and convince.

Coming back itt, from all the game Dunya choosed a post (probably the last at that moment) and commented without any intention to push the game forward and to solve it

[VOTE: 112] aubergine while i iso them

i isod 112 and she used one semicolon in all her posts. im not saying im onto something, but i may be onto something

i feel like i made her squirm. can i take credit for that?

what kind of read is this? This is the kind of justification of a read that Vulgard was talking about

spicy take: poison is wolfing

noted

well page 2 on poison's iso, i like ash from her iso more than i like poison. so there you have it.

again, she gave a read before finishing the Iso, but is non committal and shady

i am scum because i didnt act in the way u guys would have acted had u been in my spot

Mhm, mhm, nods, nods

Sorry tutuu but i dont like this post

i liked it though. tutuu town.

i remember the read, it's frozen.

Ergo, who can explain me a town read on Dunya, please help me, i don't see it

[Vulgard]

#1954

If anyone still scumreads Poison after seeing that post, read the post again.

[Vulgard]

@Arete

You are town. Town town town. I am town. Town town town. These are better players than me and they are reading me town. Let's solve the game.

[Vulgard]

Wait, that iddn't work.

[mention]Arete[/mention]

[tedxtr]

Exactly 1 in dunya / TSP is where I’m at I think

[tutuu]

Man i feel bad for tsp cuz he had said before how he keeps getting misyeeted and never night killed so like my heart doesnt let me consider voting him even if nanook votes hin

[tutuu]

If theres any deep wolves i think its freckles otherwise ppl with 4/5+ townreads on them are all town i think

[Michelle]

If theres any deep wolves i think its freckles otherwise ppl with 4/5+ townreads on them are all town i think

who is freckles?

i remember how wolf!Dizzy universally town read demolished town in a game recently, TRs doesn't have much weight for me

[Michelle]

Exactly 1 in dunya / TSP is where I’m at I think

it would be too easy to be 2?

[Vulgard]

If theres any deep wolves i think its freckles otherwise ppl with 4/5+ townreads on them are all town i think

who is freckles?

i remember how wolf!Dizzy universally town read demolished town in a game recently, TRs doesn't have much weight for me

Me.
It's funny. Everyone here overestimates my mafia play, whereas on my home site, I'm considered obvious mafia as mafia.

[Michelle]

If theres any deep wolves i think its freckles otherwise ppl with 4/5+ townreads on them are all town i think

who is freckles?

i remember how wolf!Dizzy universally town read demolished town in a game recently, TRs doesn't have much weight for me

Me.
It's funny. Everyone here overestimates my mafia play, whereas on my home site, I'm considered obvious mafia as mafia.

gotcha! can you link here yours most recent wolf game and town game?

[Vulgard]

My most recent wolf game is a game where I did not give a damn about the match because we were stomping really hard, and I also replaced in day 2.
Another one I can think of which is relatively recent had conversion. If you don't mind that, I can link it, although it changes the dynamics of the game a fair bit.

[Michelle]

My most recent wolf game is a game where I did not give a damn about the match because we were stomping really hard, and I also replaced in day 2.
Another one I can think of which is relatively recent had conversion. If you don't mind that, I can link it, although it changes the dynamics of the game a fair bit.

Link please 2 full games, villa and wolf, and I will not comment about them, so the dynamics of this game will not be damaged

[Vulgard]

https://forum.throneoflies.com/t/vfm-jo ... 83078/5287
Town.

https://forum.throneoflies.com/t/fol-fo ... -win/82831
Mafia (starting). Flavorwise, mafia's Cult in this game. Setup is singleball, but there are two mafia factions which can roll, and also an NK and mafia-siding neutral.

[tutuu]

hugs vulgard

hugs michelle

[TonyStarkPrime]

So it's not LC, not Nanook, not Vulgard. Not going to chop Dunya or Arete. Everyone else fair game?

why are you clearing LC?

He did a town

[TonyStarkPrime]

Just two things, @TonyStarkPrime i have almost 200 posts do you have nothing for me except for some hmms?

Secondly, I'm good doc. How are you?

yeah I've got nothing. should I have something?

isn't it obvious? i mean you just said "hmm" like a few times? even if you don't have a conclusion but i still think you should have had more to say about me?

Do you think I should have something to say?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Okay, day agenda:

agendum 1: pizza
agendum 2: math lunch
agendum 3: math
agendum 4: kant
agendum 5: kant 2
agendum 6: back to mafia

see y'all after kant 2

what is math lunch?

Lunch for math people , I haven’t played with Vul, 112 tutuu works because association rules — indirect defense

[TonyStarkPrime]

only two things that money can't buy and that's true love and homegrown tomatas

no you can buy homegrown tomatoes

false they’re not homegrown if someone else grown them

[Ash Lael]

Quick pop in:

Love Poison’s wallposts. Feeling very very good about them right now.

Still unimpressed with Michelle. I don’t care that she’s trying a different style of play, there’s still got to be intent to solve underneath that and I’m not sensing it.

No, we are not policying a lurker today. There are actual scummy posters in the thread.

Dunya has not posted since page 24 or something. The longer they are absent the worse they look.

[TonyStarkPrime]

points out ash didn't look at the games he said he would?

You saw it!

[TonyStarkPrime]

I forgot to follow up on that. Ash didn’t look at a Nanook scum game

[TonyStarkPrime]

Never thought TSP could be having 100+ posts tbh. Anyways, claims mafia in the first post. lots and lots of fluffs followed, their reaction to most of the posts are "hm" and "oh"s, locks town vulgard, doesn't believe ash being australian (?), doesn't like dunya, points out ash didn't look at the games he said he would? locks town nanook.

okay, so the thing is, as it seems, they tried to shade ash when there was a bit of w!ash thingy going on, and locked town read Vulgard and nanook, both being the easiest read in this game. they are not consistent about their read, dunya, tbh, i find inconsistency a town trait cause no one never knows, but her read on dunya seemed more like a fabricated confusion rather than a natural one , as if they wants to stay in a place from where they can take any direction and not get caught for inconsistency, I'm not sure if I could explain well enough but yeah.

they tried to make some game related posts and posted some "counterpoints" but those are weak and msotly very naive. they post more fluffs, tbh it is hard to distinguish between their fluffs and game related posts and i have no idea where to put those posts where they just did "hms" and "ohs" this bothers me specifically, cause they literally had given no reads on me even though i have 200+ posts , they simply hmmed me. [ngl, i don't like getting hmmed irl, hopefully I'm not being biased because of that]. upon asking about their reads, instead of explaining they became uncomfortable and went on like "maybe i'm wrong" they goes on a bit awkwardly with him being wrong,, later he announces he is bad at reading. Totally scummy.

they didn't really have a proper read list once in the game, with only slight wolfy or rather balanced reads on Dunya posted earlier in the game he just says he wouldn't chop dunya when 112 asked thier views on Dunya. I feel this is one of the simplest thing but extremely scummy in my opinion, idk ofc it doesn't apply to all or even for most, but from my experience scums forget about their reads or start being awkward when getting asked to expand more on the thought cause basically they didn't really have much on their reads, you know what I mean? this is a post that made me think that way. His tutuu reads are weirdest of all, i don't see much thought process there either, as if they are made for the sake of it just to make it look like they are indeed contributing or giving reads properly.

they have some what confusing words while explaining reads , and ended up having me, tutuu, dunya in the same category, which is kinda weird and felt a part of their flipfloping or rather balancing out everything. overall, scummy.

all their reads were vague with literally no confidence, quite a few mwntioning of "i can be wrong" , fluffs which are more forced than natural, pretending to contribute but never really did once, mostly chose the easiest reads to go with, basially they didn't have a proper shape in the game. i have played only one game with them before, he wasa town cleared by cop and i was 3P so didn't really give much attention to his play but yes, he was indeed among the low posters, compared to that, here he is a bit more in the post count but that's just NAI tbh. Would gladly vote this slot tbh.

I have strong confidence I lock Towned LC and I don’t even remember why

[TonyStarkPrime]

#1954

If anyone still scumreads Poison after seeing that post, read the post again.

Not very good tbh

[TonyStarkPrime]

im not really seeing the answer to my question in that iso. i see you sorta explained why you want to change your play style but i don’t see where you said how specifically you’re trying to change it

Wouldn't be idiotic to share what i want to become as player before knowing i can reach that level? I really don't understand what do you want from me.

well you say you want to change. id expect maybe you have some idea of what you want that change to look like for you

I will not share my mafia model, but if i may become 10% from what he is i will be content.

Work is in progress

Who is your mafia role model and why is it mac

mac is awesome and friendly and got second in champs and doesn't care what people think and is also always right except that time he called me mafia

[TonyStarkPrime]

Probably wanna just kill trip today if they don’t bring the fire, that pop in was super scummy

read to me like a sub out call

Eh, idk

Pop in to say “oops I forgot this game existed” and “lol a vote on me” and literally nothing else is like

Kinda scummy

What? How is that a real read?

I think he had that post as well, "I'm gonna get a sandwich." Wow lock scum. You feel me, bro?

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

the town post from LC

[Vulgard]

I'm getting a strong impression that TSP has no idea how to wiggle out of this.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm getting a strong impression that TSP has no idea how to wiggle out of this.

what do I need to wiggle out of 4 people are scumreading me for completely different reasons

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

Poll runs till Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:45 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


112
1
5%
Voters: dunya
Arete
1
5%
Voters: 112
Ash Lael
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
2
10%
Voters: tutuu, TonyStarkPrime
dunya
1
5%
Voters: Michelle
Hally
1
5%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
1
5%
Voters: Hally
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
2
10%
Voters: DrWilgy, Long Con
Poison Chan
0
No votes
Voters: None
tedxtr
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
4
19%
Voters: Vulgard, tedxtr, Ash Lael, Arete
TripleHaven
0
No votes
Voters: None
tutuu
0
No votes
Voters: None
Vulgard
0
No votes
Voters: None
No Elimination
0
No votes
Voters: None

Saving for later the VC, it will be useful for sure

i see Eod is in less than 12 hours

[Hally]

caught up, didn’t feel like replying as i went

poison is lock town to me atp. her walls were great

tony does seem off this game, though im not sure i can articulate exactly how

michelle still seems to be struggling. how she’s interacting with the suspicion on her remains the best reason to tr her but her solving is still not great

vul is still very towny and, unless arete strongly objects, i would lock both vul and arete as town

not much else has changed. here’s fully where i am:


town (can’t really see as scum):
nook
tutuu
poison

the joy_cat tier (will lock as town if neither strongly object):
vul
arete

town lean (could be a wolf playing well in here):
lc
112
ash
ted

poe (...yeah):
tony
michelle
dunya
wilgy
trip

[Hally]

i wouldn’t object to voting anyone in my bottom five atp

[Hally]

i really don’t understand why nook has two votes right now but we’re never doing that today

[Hally]

im fine with giving michelle another day since some of my tr’s think she’s town for reasons that i could see. also just would suck to eliminate town!mich D1 because i think we can get there on her if she’s town and has more time to find her footing

putting my vote on wilgy for now to make a counterwagon to tony

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

[Hally]

dunno if this will end up mattering but i remember getting w/w pings from some tony/wilgy stuff

[Hally]

i really hate saying stuff like this but i feel i have to put my foot down and say that i absolutely refuse to allow a nook wagon to happen. [mention]DrWilgy[/mention] [mention]Long Con[/mention] you should move. nook is town

[Vulgard]

By the way, I thought about it for a moment and I don't think I should clear 112 for her pushes. It's entirely possible she created them to widen PoE.
Admittedly, she hasn't been playing in a way that tells me "this is mafia trying to keep the PoE broad," because her influence and energy in pushing have both waned since then. But it's not impossible, so I'm not going to ignore the idea.
Still don't want to vote 112 today, I THINK.

[Hally]

nook i finally voted someone in your poe you can stop protesting now

[Hally]

By the way, I thought about it for a moment and I don't think I should clear 112 for her pushes. It's entirely possible she created them to widen PoE.
Admittedly, she hasn't been playing in a way that tells me "this is mafia trying to keep the PoE broad," because her influence and energy in pushing have both waned since then. But it's not impossible, so I'm not going to ignore the idea.
Still don't want to vote 112 today, I THINK.

what i will say is i checked 112’s isos in two of her recent scum games and feel her energy is noticeably different here. i think you disagreed but i just wanted to mention it. and 112 doesn’t really feel like mafia to me really even apart from the meta