Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 1]
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:22 pm
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
Huh. Ehhh, well still probably win
But I would expect wolves to keep a relatively low profile too in order to avoid an NK. I definitely forgot it was multiball a lot of the time (like with my MR push reasoning that he's faking his Nutella read, I'm not sure how valid that is if it's multiball) and it's easy to revert back to autopilot. I actually thought the opposite, that town would be sticking out and hard pushing wolves while the wolves would be more in the background trying to avoid an NK since they're more keenly aware it's multiball.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:21 pm Think about it like this.
Mafia night kills are hardly ever rand. Either they will kill people who are threatening their existence (SPK) or they will PR hunt. The mafia's biggest threats in this game are the other mafia team. While ever the other mafia team exists, their game can end in a flash. So they want to kill the other team more than they want to kill town (at the start). In actuality the town faction in multiball setups on this website have tended towards looking more like large allied 3p survivors as the game has progressed, and tend towards ending up mech unable to win at a reasonably early stage of the game, often becoming knowing or unknowing kingmakers.
Those who raise their hand and push hard on wolves in this setup, LOOK like wolves to the other wolf team, even if they are not. The simple fact of being able to see a wolf makes you >rand wolf in this setup because you are in the same mindset, so you can see reflections of yourself in your opponents. Good wolves know this. These players will be among the first to die. The mafia will tend towards reading players who are hard scumreading players outside their team as town, and will tend to not mess with those players.
As town, sheep the cases you like, keep a low profile, try as best as you can to live through a phase and see where it gets you. That's my rec.
It was actually on CFC, which is a generally pretty wolf friendly crowd. Pizza was just a wrecking ball.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:13 pmYeah like that doesn't surprise me. It was probably an MU game and the mafia were probably mostly memesters that prefer playing mashes and turbos. This is the GoC.Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:10 pmI've played one multiball and it involved Askthepizzaguy single-handedly bending both wolf teams overMade wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:02 pm yo, how does town normally win multiball set ups?
like when town wins is it normaly just mafia dogging it out and town surviving or Towncore flanking both sides? what's the trick here? Ofc town always needs to baddie hunt or w/e but so do the wolves. What does town need to do that scum doesn't?
That is how it usually is, I am not saying it isn't. I am saying that is why town will lose.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:31 pmBut I would expect wolves to keep a relatively low profile too in order to avoid an NK. I definitely forgot it was multiball a lot of the time (like with my MR push reasoning that he's faking his Nutella read, I'm not sure how valid that is if it's multiball) and it's easy to revert back to autopilot. I actually thought the opposite, that town would be sticking out and hard pushing wolves while the wolves would be more in the background trying to avoid an NK since they're more keenly aware it's multiball.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:21 pm Think about it like this.
Mafia night kills are hardly ever rand. Either they will kill people who are threatening their existence (SPK) or they will PR hunt. The mafia's biggest threats in this game are the other mafia team. While ever the other mafia team exists, their game can end in a flash. So they want to kill the other team more than they want to kill town (at the start). In actuality the town faction in multiball setups on this website have tended towards looking more like large allied 3p survivors as the game has progressed, and tend towards ending up mech unable to win at a reasonably early stage of the game, often becoming knowing or unknowing kingmakers.
Those who raise their hand and push hard on wolves in this setup, LOOK like wolves to the other wolf team, even if they are not. The simple fact of being able to see a wolf makes you >rand wolf in this setup because you are in the same mindset, so you can see reflections of yourself in your opponents. Good wolves know this. These players will be among the first to die. The mafia will tend towards reading players who are hard scumreading players outside their team as town, and will tend to not mess with those players.
As town, sheep the cases you like, keep a low profile, try as best as you can to live through a phase and see where it gets you. That's my rec.
we don't even know for sure it is, yeah. I've mostly been playing normally not really thinking about any of the stuff mac is sayingThunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:31 pmBut I would expect wolves to keep a relatively low profile too in order to avoid an NK. I definitely forgot it was multiball a lot of the time (like with my MR push reasoning that he's faking his Nutella read, I'm not sure how valid that is if it's multiball) and it's easy to revert back to autopilot. I actually thought the opposite, that town would be sticking out and hard pushing wolves while the wolves would be more in the background trying to avoid an NK since they're more keenly aware it's multiball.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:21 pm Think about it like this.
Mafia night kills are hardly ever rand. Either they will kill people who are threatening their existence (SPK) or they will PR hunt. The mafia's biggest threats in this game are the other mafia team. While ever the other mafia team exists, their game can end in a flash. So they want to kill the other team more than they want to kill town (at the start). In actuality the town faction in multiball setups on this website have tended towards looking more like large allied 3p survivors as the game has progressed, and tend towards ending up mech unable to win at a reasonably early stage of the game, often becoming knowing or unknowing kingmakers.
Those who raise their hand and push hard on wolves in this setup, LOOK like wolves to the other wolf team, even if they are not. The simple fact of being able to see a wolf makes you >rand wolf in this setup because you are in the same mindset, so you can see reflections of yourself in your opponents. Good wolves know this. These players will be among the first to die. The mafia will tend towards reading players who are hard scumreading players outside their team as town, and will tend to not mess with those players.
As town, sheep the cases you like, keep a low profile, try as best as you can to live through a phase and see where it gets you. That's my rec.
I wouldn't expect anyone to. Optimal town play in multi-ball setups is not something I think I've seen anyone discuss on Syndicate before and I kinda just made the strategy up right now based on my experiences as mafia and knowing how the mafia think and behave in multi-ball.nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:37 pmwe don't even know for sure it is, yeah. I've mostly been playing normally not really thinking about any of the stuff mac is sayingThunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:31 pmBut I would expect wolves to keep a relatively low profile too in order to avoid an NK. I definitely forgot it was multiball a lot of the time (like with my MR push reasoning that he's faking his Nutella read, I'm not sure how valid that is if it's multiball) and it's easy to revert back to autopilot. I actually thought the opposite, that town would be sticking out and hard pushing wolves while the wolves would be more in the background trying to avoid an NK since they're more keenly aware it's multiball.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:21 pm Think about it like this.
Mafia night kills are hardly ever rand. Either they will kill people who are threatening their existence (SPK) or they will PR hunt. The mafia's biggest threats in this game are the other mafia team. While ever the other mafia team exists, their game can end in a flash. So they want to kill the other team more than they want to kill town (at the start). In actuality the town faction in multiball setups on this website have tended towards looking more like large allied 3p survivors as the game has progressed, and tend towards ending up mech unable to win at a reasonably early stage of the game, often becoming knowing or unknowing kingmakers.
Those who raise their hand and push hard on wolves in this setup, LOOK like wolves to the other wolf team, even if they are not. The simple fact of being able to see a wolf makes you >rand wolf in this setup because you are in the same mindset, so you can see reflections of yourself in your opponents. Good wolves know this. These players will be among the first to die. The mafia will tend towards reading players who are hard scumreading players outside their team as town, and will tend to not mess with those players.
As town, sheep the cases you like, keep a low profile, try as best as you can to live through a phase and see where it gets you. That's my rec.
Mac just explained the rules
[VOTE: Tim] aubergineTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:42 pmYeah I got here just in time for that part...I mean in the previous however many pages since I bailed out.
I see the Hyena wagon dissipated...yours didn't. Wanna give me a tl;dr on how you got sussed?
I’ve been naughtyTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:42 pmYeah I got here just in time for that part...I mean in the previous however many pages since I bailed out.
I see the Hyena wagon dissipated...yours didn't. Wanna give me a tl;dr on how you got sussed?
I suppose that was inevitable.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:43 pm[VOTE: Tim] aubergineTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:42 pmYeah I got here just in time for that part...I mean in the previous however many pages since I bailed out.
I see the Hyena wagon dissipated...yours didn't. Wanna give me a tl;dr on how you got sussed?
Depends on if you squirm out of it.Made wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:45 pmI’ve been naughtyTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:42 pmYeah I got here just in time for that part...I mean in the previous however many pages since I bailed out.
I see the Hyena wagon dissipated...yours didn't. Wanna give me a tl;dr on how you got sussed?![]()
Still processing whether or not that’s optimal play, but I’ll sleep on it
Mac, I don’t need this negative energyMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:46 pmDepends on if you squirm out of it.Made wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:45 pmI’ve been naughtyTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:42 pmYeah I got here just in time for that part...I mean in the previous however many pages since I bailed out.
I see the Hyena wagon dissipated...yours didn't. Wanna give me a tl;dr on how you got sussed?![]()
Still processing whether or not that’s optimal play, but I’ll sleep on it
I literally do not know what you are talking about.Made wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:48 pmMac, I don’t need this negative energyMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:46 pmDepends on if you squirm out of it.Made wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:45 pmI’ve been naughtyTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:42 pmYeah I got here just in time for that part...I mean in the previous however many pages since I bailed out.
I see the Hyena wagon dissipated...yours didn't. Wanna give me a tl;dr on how you got sussed?![]()
Still processing whether or not that’s optimal play, but I’ll sleep on it
Hyena dropped a roleclaim on us. Town doctor.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:42 pmYeah I got here just in time for that part...I mean in the previous however many pages since I bailed out.
I see the Hyena wagon dissipated...yours didn't. Wanna give me a tl;dr on how you got sussed?
That's good to know... why did he do that??Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:52 pmHyena dropped a roleclaim on us. Town doctor.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:42 pmYeah I got here just in time for that part...I mean in the previous however many pages since I bailed out.
I see the Hyena wagon dissipated...yours didn't. Wanna give me a tl;dr on how you got sussed?
Presumably because everyone was voting for him.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:54 pmThat's good to know... why did he do that??Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:52 pmHyena dropped a roleclaim on us. Town doctor.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:42 pmYeah I got here just in time for that part...I mean in the previous however many pages since I bailed out.
I see the Hyena wagon dissipated...yours didn't. Wanna give me a tl;dr on how you got sussed?
Pffft, with like 9 days left in the Day?Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:54 pmPresumably because everyone was voting for him.Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:54 pmThat's good to know... why did he do that??Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:52 pmHyena dropped a roleclaim on us. Town doctor.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:42 pmYeah I got here just in time for that part...I mean in the previous however many pages since I bailed out.
I see the Hyena wagon dissipated...yours didn't. Wanna give me a tl;dr on how you got sussed?
Well, that seems less that ideal. A wagon of five with like two days to EoD and he outs a claim?Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:52 pmHyena dropped a roleclaim on us. Town doctor.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:42 pmYeah I got here just in time for that part...I mean in the previous however many pages since I bailed out.
I see the Hyena wagon dissipated...yours didn't. Wanna give me a tl;dr on how you got sussed?
Who’s the joat?
Timmmaaaaayyyyy!
CFC game, and I was one of the wolvesMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:13 pmYeah like that doesn't surprise me. It was probably an MU game and the mafia were probably mostly memesters that prefer playing mashes and turbos. This is the GoC.Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:10 pmI've played one multiball and it involved Askthepizzaguy single-handedly bending both wolf teams overMade wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:02 pm yo, how does town normally win multiball set ups?
like when town wins is it normaly just mafia dogging it out and town surviving or Towncore flanking both sides? what's the trick here? Ofc town always needs to baddie hunt or w/e but so do the wolves. What does town need to do that scum doesn't?
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:09 amCFC game, and I was one of the wolvesMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:13 pmYeah like that doesn't surprise me. It was probably an MU game and the mafia were probably mostly memesters that prefer playing mashes and turbos. This is the GoC.Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:10 pmI've played one multiball and it involved Askthepizzaguy single-handedly bending both wolf teams overMade wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:02 pm yo, how does town normally win multiball set ups?
like when town wins is it normaly just mafia dogging it out and town surviving or Towncore flanking both sides? what's the trick here? Ofc town always needs to baddie hunt or w/e but so do the wolves. What does town need to do that scum doesn't?
town often fake reads as bait or just to generate discussion, I wouldn't say there's no incentiveThunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:46 pm As far as faking reads being NAI, I disagree with that since town has no incentive to fake reads, but mafia still does because they have to fake reads on their partners and they might strategically tweak some of their reads to fit their agenda. I think if someone fakes a read that person is likely mafia, but faking reads is less common than in other mafia games.
that's....not what the claim was fwiw @Timsup2nothin @Long ConSloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:52 pmHyena dropped a roleclaim on us. Town doctor.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:42 pmYeah I got here just in time for that part...I mean in the previous however many pages since I bailed out.
I see the Hyena wagon dissipated...yours didn't. Wanna give me a tl;dr on how you got sussed?
hell yeahDyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:07 amAnyone but Radish, me thinks.![]()
I fake reads as town all the time.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:46 pm As far as faking reads being NAI, I disagree with that since town has no incentive to fake reads, but mafia still does because they have to fake reads on their partners and they might strategically tweak some of their reads to fit their agenda. I think if someone fakes a read that person is likely mafia, but faking reads is less common than in other mafia games.