Magic the Gathering Mafia - Game Over - Mafia has won!

[Jackofhearts2005]

What if I told you I think you're wrong?

Well, you’ve probably looked into it harder than I have.

imma have to take back my town read, sorry
[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

I feel somewhat betrayed

fair, but like that wasn't a townie answer

I’m a townie so it was QED.

My point is if your snap take is wolf and I say I think you're wrong the townie answer is to talk about why, not just shrug and move on.

My read isn’t particularly strong (I mean look at it. It’s basically a joke about Dunya being bad at reading me). I’m not trying to yeet her. I don’t particularly care if you don’t agree with my barely thought out read and if I think you’re town (and I do), trusting your read on Dunya is smarter than my 80% joke of a read on Dunya.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Official VC 2.6:

DrWilgy - 0 -
dunya - 0 -
Enrique - 0 -
Epignosis - 5 - Urist, Jackofhearts2005, falcon45ca, Long Con, MacDougall
falcon45ca - 1 - Enrique
Guillotine - 0 -
hollowkatt - 0 -
Jackofhearts2005 - 0 -
Justplayingitcool - 2 - dunya, tedxtr
Long Con - 0 -
MacDougall - 1 - DrWilgy
Marmot - 0 -
112 - 0 -
tedxtr - 6 - Justplayingitcool, 112, Guillotine, hollowkatt, Marmot, Epignosis
Urist - 0 -

No Chop - 0 -
Not voting - 0 -


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tutuu

DrWilgy
dunya
Enrique
Epignosis
falcon45ca
Guillotine
Jackofhearts2005
Justplayingitcool
Kylemii
Long Con
MacDougall
Made
Marmot
Nicol Bolas / 112
hollowkatt
tedxtr
Poison / Urist

All these wagons tell me is that Ted should have voted to self preserve. Oh well.

[Jackofhearts2005]

dunya
Epignosis
Guillotine
hollowkatt
Jackofhearts2005
Long Con
DrWilgy
Enrique
MacDougall
tedxtr
Urist
falcon45ca
Justplayingitcool
112

This is my current rainbow. This time, yellow (Enrique) is null, whereas orange is middling (could go either way)

People with no votes (not counting mine) that I don’t have a reason to townread: Wilgy, Dunya (arguable), Enrique, Falcon

People with votes that I do have a reason to townread: Marmot, Epi, Urist, JPic (arguable), Mac (arguable)

People with votes I don’t have a reason to townread: Ted

I’m sure I left somebody out but I loathe the current wagon formation.

Actually, yeah, that shit does look pretty pockety.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Does Jack flip this easily on reads?

@Jackofhearts2005 why are you still voting Epignosis?

@falcon45ca do you still believe that Epi/Guillo are w/w and did this public dance for towncred?

Fuckers killed my brother.

This all makes a lot of sense in hindsight.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Confirmed town: Jack, Epi
Strongly townread: HK, Mac

I miss tf out of Marmot.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Dr Wilgy] aubergine

[Jackofhearts2005]

lol

Thanks, I hate it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Mac is mafia. Dont vote today for that guy.

Hollowkatt is too.

I’ve been marked and i can only post 10 times today. So im gonna dip out.

Wut? Fucking how?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I do not know why Jack or Urist voted for me. Long Con's vote was also especially smelly.

None of them answered how I could award six mana to one person (now you know).

That doesn't make sense. I assumed your powers had some way to... just send six mana. The method through which you sent it wasn't really in doubt and I don't think anyone really cared to hypothesize what might or might be on your card.

Why should we have assumed that it was connected to your alignment?

Do you really think a mafia member can send six mana to another person?

Yes. 100%. Sorry for not seeing the obvious way a townie could send 6 mana since it’s literally the same way a wolf could.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Third or fourth Epi vote. Herp derp.

[hollowkatt]

Well, you’ve probably looked into it harder than I have.

imma have to take back my town read, sorry
[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

I feel somewhat betrayed

fair, but like that wasn't a townie answer

I’m a townie so it was QED.

My point is if your snap take is wolf and I say I think you're wrong the townie answer is to talk about why, not just shrug and move on.

My read isn’t particularly strong (I mean look at it. It’s basically a joke about Dunya being bad at reading me). I’m not trying to yeet her. I don’t particularly care if you don’t agree with my barely thought out read and if I think you’re town (and I do), trusting your read on Dunya is smarter than my 80% joke of a read on Dunya.

cool, you're town again

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sorry, Epi. You have to post Kurapika picks and gifs a lot, now.

I suggest these ones.

[Justplayingitcool]

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Third or fourth Epi vote. Herp derp.

My vote was from this phase

I don't understand what you're saying here

[falcon45ca]

Confirmed town: Jack, Epi
Strongly townread: HK, Mac

I miss tf out of Marmot.

Then why did you kill him?

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Third or fourth Epi vote. Herp derp.

My vote was from this phase

I don't understand what you're saying here

I’m saying a 3rd or forth vote on a confirmed townie is dumb. The goal is to have exactly 1 player with 0 votes. We should never need anyone to have more than 2 votes and only one player should have more than 1 vote.

Btw, and this is aimed at everyone, scummy players need to be voting for scummy players and town consensus players need to be voting for town consensus players.

Most players will only have 1 vote on them. Suppose JPIC is the only vote for me and about to get yeeted. If he’s a wolf, he’ll switch his vote to coin flip with a consensus townread.

Ergo, wolfiest players need to be voting for the poe or the extra vote (as JPic currently is, being the second Epi vote) in order to limit the damage they can do with a switch.

I’m 90% sure today will be a townie yeet and 70% sure a wolf self outs to make it so.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Confirmed town: Jack, Epi
Strongly townread: HK, Mac

I miss tf out of Marmot.

Then why did you kill him?

[Justplayingitcool]

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Third or fourth Epi vote. Herp derp.

My vote was from this phase

I don't understand what you're saying here

I’m saying a 3rd or forth vote on a confirmed townie is dumb. The goal is to have exactly 1 player with 0 votes. We should never need anyone to have more than 2 votes and only one player should have more than 1 vote.

Btw, and this is aimed at everyone, scummy players need to be voting for scummy players and town consensus players need to be voting for town consensus players.

Most players will only have 1 vote on them. Suppose JPIC is the only vote for me and about to get yeeted. If he’s a wolf, he’ll switch his vote to coin flip with a consensus townread.

Ergo, wolfiest players need to be voting for the poe or the extra vote (as JPic currently is, being the second Epi vote) in order to limit the damage they can do with a switch.

I’m 90% sure today will be a townie yeet and 70% sure a wolf self outs to make it so.

I apologise for voting a near enough confirmed town

[Jackofhearts2005]

@falcon45ca

@DrWilgy

@Enrique

You do not have enough towncred to be the only thing preventing the deaths of HK, Mac and myself.

Move your votes to someone more suspicious.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Third or fourth Epi vote. Herp derp.

My vote was from this phase

I don't understand what you're saying here

I’m saying a 3rd or forth vote on a confirmed townie is dumb. The goal is to have exactly 1 player with 0 votes. We should never need anyone to have more than 2 votes and only one player should have more than 1 vote.

Btw, and this is aimed at everyone, scummy players need to be voting for scummy players and town consensus players need to be voting for town consensus players.

Most players will only have 1 vote on them. Suppose JPIC is the only vote for me and about to get yeeted. If he’s a wolf, he’ll switch his vote to coin flip with a consensus townread.

Ergo, wolfiest players need to be voting for the poe or the extra vote (as JPic currently is, being the second Epi vote) in order to limit the damage they can do with a switch.

I’m 90% sure today will be a townie yeet and 70% sure a wolf self outs to make it so.

I apologise for voting a near enough confirmed town

I’m saying it’s a suboptimal townie move and going “I totes trust the mechanically confirmed townie” is lip service I could imagine a wolf engaging in.

[Justplayingitcool]

I also asked Epi if he still wanted me to change votes and he never answered, so

[Jackofhearts2005]

@falcon45ca

@DrWilgy

@Enrique

You do not have enough towncred to be the only thing preventing the deaths of HK, Mac and myself.

Move your votes to someone more suspicious.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

And I think @Urist and @hollowkatt shouod vote Hollowkatt and me, respectively.

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca

@DrWilgy

@Enrique

You do not have enough towncred to be the only thing preventing the deaths of HK, Mac and myself.

Move your votes to someone more suspicious.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

You're not in charge of town cred assessments bucko

[Jackofhearts2005]

@falcon45ca

@DrWilgy

@Enrique

You do not have enough towncred to be the only thing preventing the deaths of HK, Mac and myself.

Move your votes to someone more suspicious.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

You're not in charge of town cred assessments bucko

I am. I’m Gon, town leader.

If you’re town, you’ll see it’s reasonable to not have poe players voting for the towncore.

If you’re town and you trust a player, you should want to protect them. You should want a steady handed townie voting for them.

If you’re town and you could get yeeted, you should want the ability to self preserve by removing your vote from another player in the poe instead of being forced to self preserve against a consensus townread or just die.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Literally the only player that disagrees with this strategy is a wolf that wants to try and yeet a consensus townie.

Even if you disagree with me on who the towncore is, you wouldn’t want to vote for a consensus townie you don’t townread anyhow.

And if you disagree so strongly that you think we should yeet say, Mac, then fucking make a case for that instead of bitching about how I don’t townread you.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Town core (Epi, Urist, Mac, Jack, HK) should vote for each other in a round.

Poe should vote for each other.

Towncore may accept other players into the towncore (or rather, the “never yeet today” list) by adjusting formation. Ie moving from A->B->C->A to A->B->C->D->A.

Any poe player who insists on voting in the towncore gains heavy suspicion for ensuring a 0-0 tie for two players prior to any self preserving action. Any player who ensures a 1-1-1-1etc tie with all players is considered an outted wolf.

Poe can further be bullied into yeeting who we want.

Again, today is incredibly likely to be a town yeet. We should do everything we can to ensure it is either in the poe or 100% outting for a wolf player.

[Enrique]

I’m just not sure if we’re in different tiers of townness...? Who am I allowed to vote for then? I feel fine where I am.

[Enrique]

can you just include me in your towncore bro it’s actually a good list. there’s no 0-0 tie given i’m already on you and hk is on me.

[tutuu]

@TonyStarkPrime has subbed in for @dunya! Please don't discuss substitutions!

[Jackofhearts2005]

The only way this is ever a mafia yeet is if the player with 0 votes is voting for a wolf.

If the player with 0 votes is a townie, they will at best tie with whoever they are currently voting for if they self preserve. Even if that player is a wolf, wolves will tie break into the townie with 0 votes.

If the player with 0 votes is a wolf and they are the only player voting for a townie, they will remove their vote, forcing a tie with a townie and tiebreak will yeet a townie.

If the player with 0 votes is a wolf and they are the extra vote, they will cause a 1 vote across the board tie, resulting in the town yeet of whoever they fucking feel like.

The only way this setup ever yeets a wolf is if we set it up so that the player with 0 votes is also voting for a wolf so that the only player they can self preserve onto is a wolf.

This voting setup is INCREDIBLY wolfsided.

[Jackofhearts2005]

can you just include me in your towncore bro it’s actually a good list. there’s no 0-0 tie given i’m already on you and hk is on me.

Why should you be in the towncore?

Does anyone in the towncore townread you?

You’re not a top suspect for me but I don’t have a townread on you either.

[Enrique]

can you just include me in your towncore bro it’s actually a good list. there’s no 0-0 tie given i’m already on you and hk is on me.

Why should you be in the towncore?

Does anyone in the towncore townread you?

You’re not a top suspect for me but I don’t have a townread on you either.

I’ve been counting on you specifically since the start of the day...

[Jackofhearts2005]

The only way this is ever a mafia yeet is if the player with 0 votes is voting for a wolf.

If the player with 0 votes is a townie, they will at best tie with whoever they are currently voting for if they self preserve. Even if that player is a wolf, wolves will tie break into the townie with 0 votes.

If the player with 0 votes is a wolf and they are the only player voting for a townie, they will remove their vote, forcing a tie with a townie and tiebreak will yeet a townie.

If the player with 0 votes is a wolf and they are the extra vote, they will cause a 1 vote across the board tie, resulting in the town yeet of whoever they fucking feel like.

The only way this setup ever yeets a wolf is if we set it up so that the player with 0 votes is also voting for a wolf so that the only player they can self preserve onto is a wolf.

This voting setup is INCREDIBLY wolfsided.

Which btw is outting.

My plan potentially yeets a wolf and red peeks a second wolf. Any other plan literally always yeets a townie.

So look for poe players that reject my plan, feigning generic stubbornness.

*cough*Falcon*cough*

[Jackofhearts2005]

can you just include me in your towncore bro it’s actually a good list. there’s no 0-0 tie given i’m already on you and hk is on me.

Why should you be in the towncore?

Does anyone in the towncore townread you?

You’re not a top suspect for me but I don’t have a townread on you either.

I’ve been counting on you specifically since the start of the day...

Great, and if you’re a wolf and we try to yeet you, you change your vote to me to “self preserve” and then yeet me via tiebreak even though there’s no reason whatsoever for me to be anywhere near the chopping block today.

I don’t want you watching my back. I want someone I can trust to do it.

[Enrique]

can you just include me in your towncore bro it’s actually a good list. there’s no 0-0 tie given i’m already on you and hk is on me.

Why should you be in the towncore?

Does anyone in the towncore townread you?

You’re not a top suspect for me but I don’t have a townread on you either.

I’ve been counting on you specifically since the start of the day...

Great, and if you’re a wolf and we try to yeet you, you change your vote to me to “self preserve” and then yeet me via tiebreak even though there’s no reason whatsoever for me to be anywhere near the chopping block today.

I don’t want you watching my back. I want someone I can trust to do it.

I guess I’m gonna leave you...

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’m not going to pretend I know what’s going on

[TonyStarkPrime]

What’s going on

[TonyStarkPrime]

Don’t answer that

[Enrique]

[Enrique]

ah lol wtf wrong video

[ytubehd][/ytubehd]

[tutuu]

Dunya's currently placed vote counts as TSP's currently placed vote. If TSP votes for anyone else then Dunya's vote will no longer counts. If he does not place a vote then it will count as if he is voting Long Con.

[Enrique]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[TonyStarkPrime]

Why is the vote distribution like this isn’t eod soon

[Urist]

Town core (Epi, Urist, Mac, Jack, HK) should vote for each other in a round.

Poe should vote for each other.

Towncore may accept other players into the towncore (or rather, the “never yeet today” list) by adjusting formation. Ie moving from A->B->C->A to A->B->C->D->A.

Any poe player who insists on voting in the towncore gains heavy suspicion for ensuring a 0-0 tie for two players prior to any self preserving action. Any player who ensures a 1-1-1-1etc tie with all players is considered an outted wolf.

Poe can further be bullied into yeeting who we want.

Again, today is incredibly likely to be a town yeet. We should do everything we can to ensure it is either in the poe or 100% outting for a wolf player.

I think the current configuration of votes is fine.

[Urist]

Why is the vote distribution like this isn’t eod soon

Anyone with 0 votes at EoD are placed in the elimination pool. Mafia will decide which of those players is eliminated.

@Jackofhearts2005 I think you need to chill, having the two loose ends be Wilgy & jpic is fine.

[Justplayingitcool]

Town core (Epi, Urist, Mac, Jack, HK) should vote for each other in a round.

Poe should vote for each other.

Towncore may accept other players into the towncore (or rather, the “never yeet today” list) by adjusting formation. Ie moving from A->B->C->A to A->B->C->D->A.

Any poe player who insists on voting in the towncore gains heavy suspicion for ensuring a 0-0 tie for two players prior to any self preserving action. Any player who ensures a 1-1-1-1etc tie with all players is considered an outted wolf.

Poe can further be bullied into yeeting who we want.

Again, today is incredibly likely to be a town yeet. We should do everything we can to ensure it is either in the poe or 100% outting for a wolf player.

I think the current configuration of votes is fine.

Hard disagree

[Urist]

Also I'm never voting to save hk here LOL like what.

Enrique, you really think that Wilgy is more worthy of a save than Jack?

[Enrique]

Also I'm never voting to save hk here LOL like what.

Enrique, you really think that Wilgy is more worthy of a save than Jack?

Not in the slightest lol. I’m trying to make a point to him.

[hollowkatt]

can you just include me in your towncore bro it’s actually a good list. there’s no 0-0 tie given i’m already on you and hk is on me.

Why should you be in the towncore?

Does anyone in the towncore townread you?

You’re not a top suspect for me but I don’t have a townread on you either.

Enrique got me feeling pretty good about him during our exchange last night. Good enough to be voting there anyways.

[hollowkatt]

Why is the vote distribution like this isn’t eod soon

it's reverse voting today. We're voting for someone we don't want to eliminate.

[hollowkatt]

Also I'm never voting to save hk here LOL like what.

Enrique, you really think that Wilgy is more worthy of a save than Jack?

Hi wolf! Sorry about your rand

[Enrique]

I get where Urist is coming from fine. It’s the same discussion we were having last night (except now we’re on opposite sides lol). Jack’s thing is the closest we had to a solution but it’s still flawed (what does the mafia care if we just leave a townie out to die?).