The Syndicate

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:23 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:52 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:46 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:40 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:39 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:38 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:36 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:34 am Both Nook and Sean being on dizzy makes me think it's not a hit.

Don't understand flaunders Case so I'm waiting on that.

Porscha wagon has been lackluster but whatever I'm sticking to it.

Wilgz wagon is dead and he's no where to be seen

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Flanders case is partially just lacklustre play, and half because there's a lot of people being townread.
So why flaunders over Wilgz for that reason?
Mac was defending Wilgy because he thought completely ignoring the game was more town him, and most people shrugged and moved on.
Who made Mac ruler of this game
Mac did
I would like to bring Wilgz back into the poe

Do you have a reason or you just want to sus him?

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:24 pm**

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:41 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:36 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:28 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:27 pm Actually Ender too. Why Ender?

Current grasp on the game is that Tommy flipped W and during a skim about 20 pages ago there was an argument towards Porscha and I was like "well that sounds good, but I have no means of knowing of it's legitimate or not."
Well my ender read is a bit complicated and has a lot do to with people either being shielded or town reading a lot of other slots. Porscha had a possible slip on Mac early day 1 but most agree she has looked better today. Flanders is a "every time we wagon someone they look good so let's try this" with results pending.
So I did see abit about Ender voting me. Felt like some low hanging fruit which feels off for their slot. I don't know if I'd associate Ender with that.

How'd you speak on Porscha's interactions with Tommy?

Flanders being a bus jumper was never indicative of a W Flanders as far as I know of them.
No for Flanders it was mac noting that we piled on people and THEY looked good, not that flanders was hopping.

Porscha's interactions with Tommy weren't much of anything if I recall as she didn't post before day ended regarding him much.

Ender I would... have to compile posts, which I can. Partially PoE, partially a ping, partially noting that everyone says he isnt out of his wolf range and I was probably being too quick to clear him day 1

(see I do listen)

Got it a contrarian Flanders seems off then.

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:25 pm**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:16 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:32 am Why is flaunders being sused
What solving have you seen flanders do?

He softed a power role and when pressed on it he backed down which I found very sus.

He has spent a lot of time not interacting with thread and everyone else is towny

I have no idea his meta and thought it was the norm of how he was. I just wanted to know what people saw that I didn't.

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:25 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:58 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:56 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:52 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:46 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:40 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:39 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:38 am

So why flaunders over Wilgz for that reason?
Mac was defending Wilgy because he thought completely ignoring the game was more town him, and most people shrugged and moved on.
Who made Mac ruler of this game
Mac did
I would like to bring Wilgz back into the poe
Any reason other than them lowposting?
He has posted yet, his content is weak, he's probably frozen and crying in mafia chat.

Just not getting good vibes from him.

His starting post even ignored Tommy who was posting. He mentioned everyone except him.

I dont hate these reasons. If Wilgy hasnt posted by the time I catch up I might just vote him

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:25 pm**

This is why I ask about what's the case on ___ when I feel like I'm missing something people are seeing

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:25 pm**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:25 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:58 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:56 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:52 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:46 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:40 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:39 am

Mac was defending Wilgy because he thought completely ignoring the game was more town him, and most people shrugged and moved on.
Who made Mac ruler of this game
Mac did
I would like to bring Wilgz back into the poe
Any reason other than them lowposting?
He has posted yet, his content is weak, he's probably frozen and crying in mafia chat.

Just not getting good vibes from him.

His starting post even ignored Tommy who was posting. He mentioned everyone except him.
I dont hate these reasons. If Wilgy hasnt posted by the time I catch up I might just vote him

Great news.

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:25 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:29 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:28 pm Wilgz be towny or die in the poe
No, Likely unless I survive long enough to feel better and preform ISOs.

For now I think it'd be best for me to try to just involve and read some key arguments so I can at least come to a super semi informed decision.

Where is this

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:27 pm**

Wilgz flash wagon?

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:27 pm**

I also have to take into account the time of Wilgy's posting. 93 minutes before EOD when he had 48 hours to make 1 post. Not a good look

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:27 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:40 pm About caught up

I'll vote Achro, but I don't expect him being chopped.
Egocentric, but his case on me is just not good and the way he goes about it is also not good. He has talked mostly about me all day, and I have not been able to be around, which he knew. He simultaneously says he only has questions for me that he wants to clarify, but he has clearly been pushing for my chop.
The questions was me calling Tommy "frozen", which I wasn't actually doing. I can get misunderstand a joke. But I literally did the same mocking tone right after when I voted Porscha and I had stated that I hadn't actually read much of the game. I did not for real argue that Tommy was frozen. I don't really understand why I couldn't do this, joke or not as town anyway.
Second thing is he didn't like me exaggerating my read on Sabi. As I said I was exaggerating it in my head, because it was something I felt good about and wanted to go with. At some point on D2 I did ask myself if I really town read Sabi that much, as it was mostly a vibes read. Why I can I not do this as town? In any case, Sabi is a strong town read for me now largely because of her emotions in thread.

Ender is a bad chop. I think he's town and he probably has the best reads in the game at this point.

I don't really like the Flanders chop either. Though I do not like his vote or constant wolf read on me, the reasoning with me misspelling isn't really something I see a wolf do. I might be wrong. Also I'm curious if the misspelling he thought of was in the copy pasta meme I use lol

If Achro flips w at any point, Rondo is a possibility even if Lucy vouches for them. Go through their dynamic.

Here's my most confident town reads:
Sabi
Ender
Nanook
Mac

Nook is a read based on my experience of him and how we vibe in thread, before anyone asks.

I have other town reads too, but these are the ones I feel good about.

Talk to me about Lucy and Achros relationship in regards to either of them being W? Like why are they dependent?

Achro is odd slot for me to see as W as they had my town read pretty early and they seem to be willing to assist in me getting engaged and back in the game currently.

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:28 pm**

mornin

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:30 pm**

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:36 am @Stupid Sexy Flanders your turn to get random wagoned. Everyone else heaps townie.
Oh cool. Last time you did this you were wolf, with falcon and uhhh.. hm.
Anyways, that's neat. I'm like at least 15 pages behind and don't have the time to save myself, or put a real effort in today.
A rich RL life, like what you said about Wilgy despite resting your vote there for a while.

Have fun kids,

This just looks like "Oh I am caught, I am going into anti-spew" to me. Mac is lock town trying to shade him at this point is not towny

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:30 pm**

Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:47 pm
Spoiler: show
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:30 am alright good news is I didn't skip anything

bad news is I did almost of this reading while high and it is now past 3am

here is quick group list before I sleep

Pretty equally TR'D:
mac - fuck you guys I'm never rescinding this read out of spite
lucy - think the interactions with tommy just spew them town and regardless of that, lucy strong TR for me on their own merit
rondo - pretty sure i'm seeing town rondo repeatedly right now. strong on brand rondo
sabi - can't explain it just obv town sabi for me

TL:
nook - casual self
vivax - confuses me sometimes but seems genuine
wilgy - think day 1 reads are a little wack but the way he went about attempting it came off as t!wilgy to me
dizzy - seems confident and playing on brand

Unsure leveled into POE:
achro - makes a few good points but their interactions with others from a broader viewpoint kinda throw me off and I almost feel like there is an agenda that I can't put my finger on, unsure if hallucinating at this point
flanders - ate a little towny but hate the tunnel on me for IRL reasons out of my control. aggressive is not generally the motto for t!flanders in my experience
seanzie - playstyle meta tells me town, low-post-count-meta tells me not town, need to see more
ender - agreed with mac that ender usually has a certain way about him when he's town that isn't really being exhibited here and it may be alignment indicative
NAA - never knew what to do with NAA, never will, just always okay with this slot being yeeted until further notice

This is why I'm not a fan of readslists like these, they're often from mafia doing a token effort after being away for the thread for too long. Porscha didn't place a vote either at the end of it.
Would be NAI on its content but making one in this context looks a tad skoomy as it's easier for town to just sheep and post relaxedly without being afraid of looking like doing too little.

It's the saner play to go Porscha, probably.

Then here she was replying to the wrong post, It was a Sabi -> Rondo question but Por felt like it was directed at her so that's nervous-y

Spoiler: show
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:52 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:48 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:45 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:33 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:23 pm

Because I'm kinda lost at what direction to go. I thought I had something irt Sean but that was not it.
why was that not it?

why are you panicked about what direction to take after a wolf flip and no nk?

thats literally why you're suspicious...
I'm not panicked. I'm lost at where to find partners.

Sean town told coming back into the game.
can you walk me through the town tell since you know Seanzie better than me?
Jesus fucking christ just read the game
?? i have my own way of determining sean alignment, I want to know yours

This seems entirely within town range Porscha tho.

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:31 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:25 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:29 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:28 pm Wilgz be towny or die in the poe
No, Likely unless I survive long enough to feel better and preform ISOs.

For now I think it'd be best for me to try to just involve and read some key arguments so I can at least come to a super semi informed decision.
Where is this

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:27 pm Wilgz flash wagon?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:27 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:40 pm About caught up

I'll vote Achro, but I don't expect him being chopped.
Egocentric, but his case on me is just not good and the way he goes about it is also not good. He has talked mostly about me all day, and I have not been able to be around, which he knew. He simultaneously says he only has questions for me that he wants to clarify, but he has clearly been pushing for my chop.
The questions was me calling Tommy "frozen", which I wasn't actually doing. I can get misunderstand a joke. But I literally did the same mocking tone right after when I voted Porscha and I had stated that I hadn't actually read much of the game. I did not for real argue that Tommy was frozen. I don't really understand why I couldn't do this, joke or not as town anyway.
Second thing is he didn't like me exaggerating my read on Sabi. As I said I was exaggerating it in my head, because it was something I felt good about and wanted to go with. At some point on D2 I did ask myself if I really town read Sabi that much, as it was mostly a vibes read. Why I can I not do this as town? In any case, Sabi is a strong town read for me now largely because of her emotions in thread.

Ender is a bad chop. I think he's town and he probably has the best reads in the game at this point.

I don't really like the Flanders chop either. Though I do not like his vote or constant wolf read on me, the reasoning with me misspelling isn't really something I see a wolf do. I might be wrong. Also I'm curious if the misspelling he thought of was in the copy pasta meme I use lol

If Achro flips w at any point, Rondo is a possibility even if Lucy vouches for them. Go through their dynamic.

Here's my most confident town reads:
Sabi
Ender
Nanook
Mac

Nook is a read based on my experience of him and how we vibe in thread, before anyone asks.

I have other town reads too, but these are the ones I feel good about.
Talk to me about Lucy and Achros relationship in regards to either of them being W? Like why are they dependent?

Achro is odd slot for me to see as W as they had my town read pretty early and they seem to be willing to assist in me getting engaged and back in the game currently.

The timing of this is

Huh

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:32 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:27 pm Wilgz flash wagon?

Id give him another half hour or so to impress

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:32 pm**

"I get accused of buddying a lot because I am a very defensive player by habit. In my community there are a lot of cycling newer players and I have developed over the years a tendency to be able to cold read players very well as town, and I have gotten much further giving the benefit of the doubt and sometimes being wrong versus trying to look for the smallest mistake in their play."

- 2015 Achro talking about his town play in champs qualifier

Fuck some things never change.

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:32 pm**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:25 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:58 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:56 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:52 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:46 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:40 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:39 am

Mac was defending Wilgy because he thought completely ignoring the game was more town him, and most people shrugged and moved on.
Who made Mac ruler of this game
Mac did
I would like to bring Wilgz back into the poe
Any reason other than them lowposting?
He has posted yet, his content is weak, he's probably frozen and crying in mafia chat.

Just not getting good vibes from him.

His starting post even ignored Tommy who was posting. He mentioned everyone except him.
I dont hate these reasons. If Wilgy hasnt posted by the time I catch up I might just vote him

Bleeeeeeeeerp

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:32 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:03 pm @Achromatic Why are you asking for other people's read on me if you're not going to listen to them? There are people in this game that read me decently, and some well. I often get sussed by people who don't know me as town, mind you. If I was mafia, you would town read me. There is a definite pattern here, but I don't know why I get attacked by people who don't know me pretty much every game. Pretty sure this happened in the mash we played too. Being wrongly scum read irks me to the bone, so it doesn't help my game.

Yeah I am going to be honest the only reason I am not sussing you is because Enders soft shield

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:33 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:32 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:27 pm Wilgz flash wagon?
Id give him another half hour or so to impress

The timing of him popping up is so wolfu

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:33 pm**

Out of current options, I think I'd Flanders over Porscha.

Voting there for now.

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:33 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:07 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:19 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:18 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:47 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:46 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:42 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:32 pm

Ah

Id say kinda half and half, most people im treating it as a day one pretty much given the unexpected end time, but im still treating axe and mac as v likely town
Thoughts on Vivax because he's my strong tr in context of Tommy
Do you have specific posts? Tommy had very few posts and I dont remember him interacting with Vivax in a clearing way
It was on Vivax side. He kept calling Tommy Matt and correcting himself. I think it's something w/w wouldn't do
Eh maybe I am crazy but in the same line of Tommy going "Who is rondo?" "Oh YOU is Rondo" I see calling someone the wrong name exactly something I would do as wolf to get a clear like this. So I dont like you clearing Vivax on this. But I can see your point
0% he does this, even if coached
I was wondering about this actually

If the team isn't exactly Lucky/Rondo, I think Lucy is v for this and Rondo probably v too then

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:34 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:33 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:32 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:27 pm Wilgz flash wagon?
Id give him another half hour or so to impress
The timing of him popping up is so wolfu

Explain this.

Why is this the case? If I was wolf why wouldn't I just stay in my cave?

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:34 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:33 pm Out of current options, I think I'd Flanders over Porscha.

Voting there for now.

Is that just because I am sussing Flanders right now and its easy for you to slam a vote where I am sussing and try to get me to ignore you?

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:35 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:34 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:33 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:32 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:27 pm Wilgz flash wagon?
Id give him another half hour or so to impress
The timing of him popping up is so wolfu
Explain this.

Why is this the case? If I was wolf why wouldn't I just stay in my cave?

Two minutes after Nook says where is this you pop out with a post after being silent for a couple of hours.

It's sus

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:36 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:35 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:34 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:33 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:32 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:27 pm Wilgz flash wagon?
Id give him another half hour or so to impress
The timing of him popping up is so wolfu
Explain this.

Why is this the case? If I was wolf why wouldn't I just stay in my cave?
Two minutes after Nook says where is this you pop out with a post after being silent for a couple of hours.

It's sus

he had a post before nook's

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:36 pm**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:34 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:33 pm Out of current options, I think I'd Flanders over Porscha.

Voting there for now.
Is that just because I am sussing Flanders right now and its easy for you to slam a vote where I am sussing and try to get me to ignore you?

No, but because Achros explanation makes sense.

If it's between Porscha and Flanders, I'd think Flanders to be the better yeet.

Also the quote Vivax's posted in question of Porscha reads as town to me rather than Vivax's read of W.

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:36 pm**

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:36 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:35 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:34 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:33 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:32 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:27 pm Wilgz flash wagon?
Id give him another half hour or so to impress
The timing of him popping up is so wolfu
Explain this.

Why is this the case? If I was wolf why wouldn't I just stay in my cave?
Two minutes after Nook says where is this you pop out with a post after being silent for a couple of hours.

It's sus
he had a post before nook's

Wait he did.

Nevermind I'm dumb

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:39 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:35 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:34 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:33 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:32 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:27 pm Wilgz flash wagon?
Id give him another half hour or so to impress
The timing of him popping up is so wolfu
Explain this.

Why is this the case? If I was wolf why wouldn't I just stay in my cave?
Two minutes after Nook says where is this you pop out with a post after being silent for a couple of hours.

It's sus

:Shrug:

W Wilgy 9/10 times just hides to not leak info uneededly there.

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:39 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:33 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:32 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:27 pm Wilgz flash wagon?
Id give him another half hour or so to impress
The timing of him popping up is so wolfu

I don't really believe in Beetlejuice

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:40 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:36 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:36 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:35 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:34 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:33 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:32 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:27 pm Wilgz flash wagon?
Id give him another half hour or so to impress
The timing of him popping up is so wolfu
Explain this.

Why is this the case? If I was wolf why wouldn't I just stay in my cave?
Two minutes after Nook says where is this you pop out with a post after being silent for a couple of hours.

It's sus
he had a post before nook's
Wait he did.

Nevermind I'm dumb

Nah you just missed it, don't be hard on yourself.

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:40 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:39 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:35 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:34 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:33 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:32 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:27 pm Wilgz flash wagon?
Id give him another half hour or so to impress
The timing of him popping up is so wolfu
Explain this.

Why is this the case? If I was wolf why wouldn't I just stay in my cave?
Two minutes after Nook says where is this you pop out with a post after being silent for a couple of hours.

It's sus
:Shrug:

W Wilgy 9/10 times just hides to not leak info uneededly there.

Don't see why this would be the case here, you have one vote on you

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:42 pm**

I want to believe Wilgy is town just because they seem to understand where I am coming from which is welcome lol x)

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:42 pm**

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:42 pm I want to believe Wilgy is town just because they seem to understand where I am coming from which is welcome lol x)

then again, MATH DOESN'T LIE.

maybe Wilgy obvious W then.

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:42 pm**

Is eod 6 pm eastern?

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:43 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:40 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:39 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:35 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:34 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:33 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:32 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:27 pm Wilgz flash wagon?
Id give him another half hour or so to impress
The timing of him popping up is so wolfu
Explain this.

Why is this the case? If I was wolf why wouldn't I just stay in my cave?
Two minutes after Nook says where is this you pop out with a post after being silent for a couple of hours.

It's sus
:Shrug:

W Wilgy 9/10 times just hides to not leak info uneededly there.
Don't see why this would be the case here, you have one vote on you

Because W Wilgy doesn't need to make an at least semi educated vote here. W Wilgy slanks and goes hard the entirety of the next day cycle.

I just want to make the best vote possible in spite of being a sleepy boy.

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:43 pm**

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:42 pm I want to believe Wilgy is town just because they seem to understand where I am coming from which is welcome lol x)

Wowee

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:43 pm**

Sabi wants everyone to be here for eod.

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:44 pm**

I've fallen off

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:44 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:42 pm Is eod 6 pm eastern?

7, about an hour fifteen from now

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:44 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:43 pm Sabi wants everyone to be here for eod.

[VOTE: sabiplz] aubergine

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:44 pm**

Mac flash wagon?

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:45 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:44 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:42 pm Is eod 6 pm eastern?
7, about an hour fifteen from now

OK so the poll shows my actual time zone. Neat

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:46 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:44 pm Mac flash wagon?

too bad I'm flash wagoning you first

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:47 pm**

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:03 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:01 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:58 pm Achro Wil your wim come back if we get another wolf flip.

Anyway:

If Ender flips w, then who.

If Ender flips V, then who.
I just felt like venting, I feel better.

If ender w then I think dizzy/nanook atm have been good partner candidates. If neither of them fits then it's someone either shielded or I have felt good about and I think an iso to establish partners is in order.

If Ender V, then leave Dizzy alone and probably go for whoever Mac wants most as he has a better underestanding of everyone's interplay and it is more likely that Mac will lynch correctly for the game state at that point.
Also like I can't understate this enough, but I feel one thing mac will 100% have over me here is that interplay for game state and optimal solving. So I have made my reads known and as long as mac reads them (as he has before) and goes "I understand, but I still think x is best" then I can accept that as we are up massively. I can read the game in front of me but mac understands a lot of dynamics around histories that I don't and he is assuredly town.

Would love for Lucy to weigh in on things though, I know early days aren't her style but she's been really quiet and surely she can bring a little perspective. Or maybe not.

I do feel like Lucy has been slanking second half of day 2 for sure

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:48 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:46 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:44 pm Mac flash wagon?
too bad I'm flash wagoning you first

OK here's your attention you want

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:48 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:19 pm I don't think I've been particularly lazy in thread

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:13 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:55 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:52 pm I'm not going to fight an Ender wagon, but kinda want Nanook more.
Where'd that come from?
Which part? The specific Ender/Nanookness of the post, or me wanting Nanook?

Ender/Nanook comes from Achromatic having put those names forward and the people seem to push more towards Ender.

Nanook's actions remind me a lot of how Nanook plays as scum sometimes. He is being overly generous to NAA to pocket NAA, his pushes are meh, moving votes seemingly more to avoid sus and push opporunistically than seeming to care about where he was voting.

Earlier D2 when I came in the thread, him moving off me onto Porscha I think pinged me, and just now he had another movement that pinged me. He can be lazy IiT as either alignment, but there are certain things he does more as scum than town and I think I'm seeing those things.

Sure but you havent been exactly helpful [VOTE: Nanook ] aubergine

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:49 pm**

@Achromatic I just saw that post above but I've not and won't be catching up.

So summarise your reads I guess.

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:50 pm**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:44 pm Mac flash wagon?

never mind nook is safe for now [VOTE: Sabi ] aubergine

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:51 pm**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:50 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:44 pm Mac flash wagon?
never mind nook is safe for now [VOTE: Sabi ] aubergine

It was a joke

Posted: **Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:51 pm**

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Achromatic wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:37 pm I had some meat balls, they were delicious. Also hello Dizzy welcome home, I hope you enjoyed the festival.

Anyway I think it's pretty clear that there is a lot of confusion and frustration surrounding the game state, which is beyond understandable because at 12 v 2 the hit rate on a wolf is really low so there is by almost any definition going to be an incredible amount of tensions between town members even if the wolves are incredibly active.

So when that happens I personally just go back to my sorting and re-evaluate to see what I think of the game so far. I have 11 town members to find.

So for Mac, he is a polarized player (source: sabi) who basically everyone who knows him well says is in his classical town meta on top of the fact that Tommy outright called accused him of a crime on top of him being the obvious doc save night 1 based off those two things and no kill. Duh.

Lucy has three things going for her. For one she is clearly keeping a broad view of the game, for two I believe firmly in my meta analysis that a team of Tommy/Lucy has a little bit more fun at FM even if it isn't Tommy's thing, and there is the promise of Lucy's reads becoming dazzling as days go on. I feel no suspicion for this slot right now.

Rondo has had a very interesting and broad view of the game so far and feels agendaless in how they approach various conflicts. On top of this, Lucy's take on Rondo being spewed clear from Tommy feels valid. At the moment the only team I could see for Rondo is a Lucy/Rondo team, which I would need to bulk order tinfoil on amazon and wait for it to arrive before I could even begin build that world view.

Vivax similarly to Rondo has approached the game in a manner which I consider agendaless. They have given a broad spectrum of takes and I found their handling of Tommy to be pro town in its handling. In addition to this, there is the small matter of him repeatedly calling Tommy by a different name.

So that's 4 names I don't believe I have to even think about today.

So that's still a lot of sorting to go through. Let me go to my next level of progression.

Let's start with Sabi. I try my best to build psychological profiles of people when I play with them and see if things line up. These player profiles will get more refined over time and any doubt I have about Sabi's is merely a lack of experience. I know Mac was frustrated with me for stepping into the middle of his solve yesterday but in my judgment, which I am always going to use over Mac's, I didn't think it was a healthy line of progression at the time given the behavior Sabi had shown. Now this could get me booed out of the building and it wouldn't be the first time, but I don't believe tightening the screws on someone who is already in AtE is helpful at solving.

I treat AtE as a dead zone, basically. My read of someone does not change for better or for worse during AtE. So my frozen read on Sabi entering yesterday is someone who beats themselves up, and wants to feel seen and heard and be valued. I have no experience with their wolf game, but if these traits carry over to wolf Sabi then the rough estimate of her player profile would be that she prefers to, whenever possible, be on the right side of history. Also given Sabi's emotions I am not genuinely sure if Sabi would have been able to hide her anger over Tommy sandbagging to give him time to maybe contribute as a wolf buddy. She seems more prone to rash action than this.

On top of this there is a purity to how she went after Seanzie and her disappointment when it got push back that I think rings very genuine. There are a lot of other things as well, with a slight coloring of her being unaligned with my top suspect. I would need to hear about her wolf range more and want someone to treat AtE as neutral before considering this slot problematic.

Next is Seanzie. I liked how they conducted themselves day one to an extreme degree. I thought there was some really clear town motivations in how they thought about things (I covered this in an earlier ISO.) In addition to this the evidence shown to demonstrate a similarity to this game with a scum of his did the opposite: I thought it was very different. Not only in activity levels but also in tone, motivations, and passivity. There are ranges to every player and I am sure Seanzie is no exception, however given the only cited scum game for them looks completely different I have seen nothing compelling to make me want to re-evaluate this player today.

Porscha I feel there have been two phases of suspicion on her. Phase 1 was something Mac and I pointed out about the vector of their read where it was unusually strong for Mac. Neither one of us liked this. However as Dizzy pointed out this wasn't as highly charged a sticking point as I had originally thought given Porscha's early read on Mac. The next layer is that they were quiet for a long time. I find this point in particular dubious because doing the math of when she was due back she wasn't particularly late and today I felt like her answers today were really great. On top of that, the way she views me is something I find is overwhelmingly town a lot of the time in my player history.

On the flip side of that, I have to consider that it's possible that Mac's read of that was correct and it was more of a hedge than a genuine confusion about what the fuck is Achro doing. On top of that, a lot of traffic and discussion has run through Porscha for two days and given the game state even though I can't get there myself I think it's 'fine' to sort this slot for game health and clarity purposes. It's not how I like to play mafia, I don't like it, but I can concede to @MacDougall that I was being dramatic about this read of mine and apologize. Plus if she is wolf we all get to laugh at Achro some more, and who doesn't love making fun of me.

Next I have Flanders who I think has enough >rand v posts for me to feel good about them as town. Their handling of Tommy through how they treated others vibes with how I was thinking about the situation, especially an earlier post I quoted to do with Lucy that feels entirely uninformed. I read over their iso and there's not a single bad vibe there for me. They haven't contributed much today, but they aren't alone in that as they correctly pointed out. I also thought it was pro town of them to vote Dizzy for wagonomics purposes. Now, the issue here is I have never played with Flanders and have no idea what in tarnation their wolf range is. Maybe this is it. Voting for a lack of contribution today feels icky to me and I felt their day one checked out upon review. I also don't know if this slot flipping v tells us nearly as much as Porscha's slot flipping v does because overall there's been a lot less discussion of Flanders. I think this is a miss, but like Porscha I've said what I've had to say and won't stomp my feet.

The next tier is 'trust me, bro' tier where I have almost no reason to like either of these but both Mac (very likely town) and Nanook (good player) have spoken up for them If Wilgy or Axe is scum, it's on you guys and your wrong meta, and I have nothing else to say here lol.

Which leaves me my bottom tier of Nanook/Dizzy/Ender

Dizzy... Dizzy and I will talk it out, we've been over this story a couple of times.

Nanook didn't make me feel great when I was asking them about the game earlier through discussing all of my reads. I felt like they were keeping a lot of options on the table to chop with conservative reads on their town equity and it pinged me. I did like who they were defending in Axe and Wilgy as it comes off as not predatory but another way to think about it is keeping low effort posters alive for the deep wolf wars to come.

Now something I find curious, is this vote from Dizzy

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:42 am Diz never came back either did they

[VOTE: dizzy] aubergine
I think I would feel a lot better about Ender if I saw him pushing back against Nanook shading Dizzy for not being around when Ender has taken a pop quiz post and hammered me over my head with, but unless I missed it... not even a word about this. I know Ender has a town read on Nanook at this juncture, but something there would be great and I just didn't get that which makes it feel as if these two could be aligned.

And ender himself I've talked about a lot. So here's a current list.

Mac
Lucy
Rondo
Vivax
-
Seanzie
Sabi
-
Flanders
Porscha
-
Wilgy/Axe
-
Dizzy
Nanook
Ender

Here you go mac

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