The Syndicate

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:52 am Are y'all sure we shouldn't just kill Boq?

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:38 am [VOTE: Lilypetal] aubergine


for now

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:20 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:37 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:30 am Nanook
Porscha
SPF
Boq
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

^ kinda think all of these are town lol

Would like succinct but persuasive reasoning for other players so I can make this big enough for my POE to kill the mafia lol

sell me on nanook and rondo tbh

sell me first on players outside of this list that you townread lol

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:22 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:38 am [VOTE: Lilypetal] aubergine


for now

This is bad and you should feel bad.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:52 am Are y'all sure we shouldn't just kill Boq?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:41 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:00 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:59 pm You guys are dumb, I'm town

What was it that made you think this post was very townie @Lilypetal

was mostly the 2nd post but both together just seemed towny to me dunno

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:33 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:41 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:00 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:59 pm You guys are dumb, I'm town

What was it that made you think this post was very townie @Lilypetal

was mostly the 2nd post but both together just seemed towny to me dunno

i see because it is after this post i quoted that you unvoted.
What was it that made you unvote at that point? And what is it that makes those posts feel townie?

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:30 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:22 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:38 am [VOTE: Lilypetal] aubergine


for now

This is bad and you should feel bad.

you have now protected both Lily and Porscha but iirc you have not given much reason to why tbh
Why do you want to prevent solving tbh?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:51 am @Neon if he wants to find me as town let him pls its not unreasonable imo

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:02 am @Neon can you drop a reads list or something, thoughts on alison/creature minimum

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:09 amBack to work.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:11 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:47 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:31 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:20 am
Talk to me about... me.

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Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:21 pm sean falcon lock town never rescind

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:15 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:12 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:09 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:06 pm

I think you might use the word "meme" to much/in situations where it does not apply.

No, my push on you is to see how you and Alison act with me ready to pounce at any moment.

mememememememememe tbh

so how do you qualify at all to my statement?

Because I've done pretty much nothing all game compared to my usual town self (and yet no one except Alison has seemed to notice).

Honestly cant believe you arent tunneling me for my lockdown sean read yet

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:26 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:33 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:26 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:09 pm i feel pretty confident about mac and lily and aro being town. i think boq might be town too. i'm kind of struggling to get a solid grasp on the game beyond that.

why boq town?

-when he was being wagoned by 4-5 people and it looked like he was in serious contention to go over, he decided to vote and push on me, one of his biggest defenders, for not defending him strongly enough. if boq is a wolf then his choice to push on one of the few people defending him would be completely contrary to a self-preservation mindset, and it would risk alienating one of the few people who had a good chance at saving him

-he got salty and passive aggressive about being voted in a way that i kind of don't think he would as wolf tbh - the entitlement/feeling of being "wronged" in the post is a specific mindset that i think a wolf typically struggles to replicate. i'm thinking of posts like this one:

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:56 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:47 pm

In Halvosen Ridge I ignored you until day 3 when I had both you and JJJ as wolves. Since I was right on JJJ being wolf and another town died also believing you two were wolves, I thought you were wolf until like the day before you died. In spec chat game all I did say was that you shluldn't be cleared too easily. Yet I ignored you and you ended up dying anyway.

I remember someone commenting in Halvosen Ridge that you seemed "lone". I also remember in spec chat you were forming actual reads and ended up coming with a readslist. I'm not seeing either things his game, your votes look kinda meh (Porscha is one vote I had in mind), it feels like you're doing lip job service instead of solving (like saying "we should go for someone not solving" and coming with a quick-made list) and hence why I'm concerned about you.

Wtf I have formed several reads this game, produced a read list, and actively engaged with several players. I have pushed Porscha to form a more concrete read, an action that cant be said about many players currently. You are taking 1 post of plenty to mischaracterise my whole play. Also, that list was correct and is also made to make people say something. Neon, Nook and Porscha had all complaints about the list

You complain about nothing happening yet you do nothing to affect the game. You push me and say I am doing nothing when I am the player who is creating the most splash in the thread tbh. I have formed more actual reads than the majority of this game tbqh.

but sure, maybe i should just go
lel i am town
oh u vote me now i will vote u
gn solving hard
i like trains
i picked flowers yesterday
pushing me is a crime against society tbh
i wonder what movie i should watch
cyndaquil is a good starter
poop penis tv show tbh
Am I town read now? I am out of my wolf range tbh

also cold to ignore me like that tbh, have i done something?

-he generally just came off as one of the most invested solvers on d1 at a stage when lots of people were slanking and it would have been very easy for him to sit back and ~blend in~ with the rest of the thread as a wolf

who do u think the mafia is?

I see. I sort of thought his issue with me was him blowing it out of proportion, but I dont know that would be alignment indicative for him. It's very possible he isnt a wolf, I have 0 meta on him and he hasn't done anything specific that really makes me believe he's likely wolfing. it isn't unusual for people to use my "shading" but not voting on every little thing I see method of play to believe i'm wolfy, so I don't think it's alignment indicative.

my poe is pretty open. I still believe mac is town, I don't have a reason to think sean is wolfing past him not pushing me for my TR on him early, but maybe we are on the same wavelength for once, so i'm not worried about him for now. lily reads pretty TR for me and I don't think she makes the vote she did eod if she's wolf. neon I can't say for sure, but they can be tl. lucy is null enough for me to consider them, I can still consider boq, i'm entirely unsure of aro I dont remember their posts yesterday in the slightest, I like to believe you are town spf but I am afraid that I am not good at reading you so I don't mind leaving your slot floating until I feel like my feet are on the ground, and alison, well, in theory she needs to be policied. I can't say for certain she is wolf, but ultimately she still sr's me and this is just a nuisance to me because when I asked her to show where I was folding, she blatantly refused. I don't feel like I can convince her, to any extent, of her view of me by conversing with her, so it's just frustrating to work with. rondo I will have to wait and see since iirc, they were hardly present yesterday. creature... I feel has been well in his town range, but it's still possible he tried pocketing me yesterday by pushing back a little on my wagon and shrug votes/ reads, but now has zero interest in keeping up with that idea and is willing to just yeet me, so I'm not sure what to think of it. I think if I asked him why this seemed to change, he'd probably just answer something about how i'm being sr'd by alison and other people enough to make him reconsider his initial view of me, so I haven't bothered. unsure of what to do with creature for now. in my first read list, I listed nook as town, but later when I was reviewing it and boq asked me who i'd vote, I said him or nook. something about nook just leaves me feeling a little less confident in him being town than in other games where I find him town, but I'm not sure what it is. I'd like to see more from him. I think that's everyone.

in a day 1 reads list I also said you towntold. you're welcome

So your read on me is stagnant and does not include anything from today?

well I just caught up. you're still locktown. sorry to inform you

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:13 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:52 am Are y'all sure we shouldn't just kill Boq?

what's your reasoning

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:22 am Hard POE

Creature
Arogame
Who cares

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:49 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:30 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:22 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:38 am [VOTE: Lilypetal] aubergine


for now

This is bad and you should feel bad.

you have now protected both Lily and Porscha but iirc you have not given much reason to why tbh
Why do you want to prevent solving tbh?

How does it solve to throw a single vote on a vanity wagon that is universally pretty town cored?

Porscha at least had wagon potential but I also just TR porscha and so yes I thought that was also bad and had Porscha gone over and flipped town you have two ways to look at my agenda. The right one and the wrong one

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:08 am Anyways the thing I was trying to do

Alison (6): Neon, Porscha, Falcon, Seanzie, Jack, Rondo

Falcon (7): Creature, Aro, Alison, Mac, Lucy, SPF, Nanook

Porscha (2): Boq, Lily

Reads:

Alison (6): Neon, Porscha, Falcon, Seanzie, Jack, Rondo

Falcon (7): Creature, Aro, Alison, Mac, Lucy, SPF, Nanook

Porscha (2): Boq, Lily

Thoughts...if TVT 1 of Boq Lily is almost 100% woof IMHO out of those I'm on Boq

PoE: Boq

Rondo and Seanzie actually feel mostly townie to me as of this day but what's the actual likelihood Alison's wagon is just pure? I dunno. Maybe 2 woofs stacked on Falcon by why not try to get Alison over as I've been repeatedly told she's a strong player.

Creature just feels outed

PoE: Creature, Boq

I kinda don't like Aro at all today and Nanook has felt off this entire game to me but I've never really felt Nanook was easy to read

PoE: Creature, Aro, Boq, Nanook

I dunno if I assumed woofs put 1 on each wagon I'd probably lean Seanzie, Creature, Boq... I'm kind of just leaning town on Alison harder and harder. I suck at mafia.

Anyways somewhere in the yellow are my woofs.

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:45 am

arogame123 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:40 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:35 pm Seanzie is playing in an extremely limited way. Scum is usually seen casting a wide net so if their preferred misyeet occurs, they are not left with zero reads. However scum CAN play like this and I have seen it happen. I am still leaning to Seanzie being town. Mostly because he is stubbornly informing everyone that he is indeed still in his scum range. It feels like it is coming from a pov where you are irritated that people are looking down on your scum game/clearing you too easily (thus underestimating you) and this is something an actual wolf WANTS town to do. Whereas a town player has a more holistic mindset where this reaction can stem from.

I was reading over some of Seanzie's town games and he is def more stubborn with his pushes and usually picks a few targets like 1 or 2 and just continues to push on them without looking much outside. It's like a deer with headlights and it seems very similar this game. Also, I noticed some similar tone with his condescendingness like he showed in this game with his response to Mac at EoD with "Oooh, I want towncred on myself" and it meta wise it seems similar based off the games I perused. SPF mentioned that she got powerwolf vibes from Seanzie, but I disagree as Seanzie as mafia was more laid back and kind of a coaster than an aggressor based off what I read in a couple of his mafia games. I have been burned by these comparison in games *cough* Wisp *cough*, but so far his gameplay and tone have seen very similar to his town games where he picks a target and goes after them and his condescending tone is similar to his town games. Just an observation I had.

nice
us mindmelding makes me feel more secure with this read tbh
I am bumping Seanzie up to town reads for now tbh

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:10 am why do you actually suspect boq/lily
i don’t think there has to be mafia in them

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:12 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:09 amBack to work.

why do you townread me?

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:20 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:49 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:30 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:22 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:38 am [VOTE: Lilypetal] aubergine


for now

This is bad and you should feel bad.

you have now protected both Lily and Porscha but iirc you have not given much reason to why tbh
Why do you want to prevent solving tbh?

How does it solve to throw a single vote on a vanity wagon that is universally pretty town cored?

Porscha at least had wagon potential but I also just TR porscha and so yes I thought that was also bad and had Porscha gone over and flipped town you have two ways to look at my agenda. The right one and the wrong one

I solve independently. I am no lemming tbh, and that is what I want to signal to the wolves tbh.
Furthermore, my vote made you react, so that makes me able to get insight on you tbh

Finally, it is super bad if all we do today is chill at 2 wagons for 48 hours. It means that we will be forced to solve between Alison and Creature for perhaps D3 too. If both are town, that is disastrous for town and for our chances to find wolves. If both Alison and Creature are town - then wolves want to keep this status quo so they have two free days. Therefore wolves are likely to be inside those who react strongly to votes outside the status quo and want to make those outliers feel bad for doing so, get them to follow the line.

Which means that thanks to my vote, your wolf equity became way higher - if Alison and Creature are town. I think that's very productive in solving tbh

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:21 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:08 am Anyways the thing I was trying to do

Alison (6): Neon, Porscha, Falcon, Seanzie, Jack, Rondo

Falcon (7): Creature, Aro, Alison, Mac, Lucy, SPF, Nanook

Porscha (2): Boq, Lily

Reads:

Alison (6): Neon, Porscha, Falcon, Seanzie, Jack, Rondo

Falcon (7): Creature, Aro, Alison, Mac, Lucy, SPF, Nanook

Porscha (2): Boq, Lily

Thoughts...if TVT 1 of Boq Lily is almost 100% woof IMHO out of those I'm on Boq

PoE: Boq

Rondo and Seanzie actually feel mostly townie to me as of this day but what's the actual likelihood Alison's wagon is just pure? I dunno. Maybe 2 woofs stacked on Falcon by why not try to get Alison over as I've been repeatedly told she's a strong player.

Creature just feels outed

PoE: Creature, Boq

I kinda don't like Aro at all today and Nanook has felt off this entire game to me but I've never really felt Nanook was easy to read

PoE: Creature, Aro, Boq, Nanook

I dunno if I assumed woofs put 1 on each wagon I'd probably lean Seanzie, Creature, Boq... I'm kind of just leaning town on Alison harder and harder. I suck at mafia.

Anyways somewhere in the yellow are my woofs.

Did I fall into the poe after being declared towncore solely for my Lily vote? Lmao.

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:22 am Actually Neon your progression of me must be one of the 7 mysteries. Yesterday you scum read me because I pushed you. I was then suddenly town, and now I am scum once more.

Please describe your progression tbh

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:52 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:21 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:08 am Anyways the thing I was trying to do

Alison (6): Neon, Porscha, Falcon, Seanzie, Jack, Rondo

Falcon (7): Creature, Aro, Alison, Mac, Lucy, SPF, Nanook

Porscha (2): Boq, Lily

Reads:

Alison (6): Neon, Porscha, Falcon, Seanzie, Jack, Rondo

Falcon (7): Creature, Aro, Alison, Mac, Lucy, SPF, Nanook

Porscha (2): Boq, Lily

Thoughts...if TVT 1 of Boq Lily is almost 100% woof IMHO out of those I'm on Boq

PoE: Boq

Rondo and Seanzie actually feel mostly townie to me as of this day but what's the actual likelihood Alison's wagon is just pure? I dunno. Maybe 2 woofs stacked on Falcon by why not try to get Alison over as I've been repeatedly told she's a strong player.

Creature just feels outed

PoE: Creature, Boq

I kinda don't like Aro at all today and Nanook has felt off this entire game to me but I've never really felt Nanook was easy to read

PoE: Creature, Aro, Boq, Nanook

I dunno if I assumed woofs put 1 on each wagon I'd probably lean Seanzie, Creature, Boq... I'm kind of just leaning town on Alison harder and harder. I suck at mafia.

Anyways somewhere in the yellow are my woofs.

Did I fall into the poe after being declared towncore solely for my Lily vote? Lmao.

It was for the reason I stated.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:48 am

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:10 am why do you actually suspect boq/lily
i don’t think there has to be mafia in them

I dunno wagonomics 101 has taught me that in T v T with an off wagon there's usually a woof off wagon. Usually exactly 1.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:48 am

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:12 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:09 amBack to work.

why do you townread me?

Vibes. I like your tone and solving and generally how you're posts sound and feel. I dunno how to word it better than that.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:57 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:48 am

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:12 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:09 amBack to work.

why do you townread me?

Vibes. I like your tone and solving and generally how you're posts sound and feel. I dunno how to word it better than that.

is this an independent read, or is it motivated by other peoples reads on me?

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:56 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:52 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:21 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:08 am Anyways the thing I was trying to do

Alison (6): Neon, Porscha, Falcon, Seanzie, Jack, Rondo

Falcon (7): Creature, Aro, Alison, Mac, Lucy, SPF, Nanook

Porscha (2): Boq, Lily

Reads:

Alison (6): Neon, Porscha, Falcon, Seanzie, Jack, Rondo

Falcon (7): Creature, Aro, Alison, Mac, Lucy, SPF, Nanook

Porscha (2): Boq, Lily

Thoughts...if TVT 1 of Boq Lily is almost 100% woof IMHO out of those I'm on Boq

PoE: Boq

Rondo and Seanzie actually feel mostly townie to me as of this day but what's the actual likelihood Alison's wagon is just pure? I dunno. Maybe 2 woofs stacked on Falcon by why not try to get Alison over as I've been repeatedly told she's a strong player.

Creature just feels outed

PoE: Creature, Boq

I kinda don't like Aro at all today and Nanook has felt off this entire game to me but I've never really felt Nanook was easy to read

PoE: Creature, Aro, Boq, Nanook

I dunno if I assumed woofs put 1 on each wagon I'd probably lean Seanzie, Creature, Boq... I'm kind of just leaning town on Alison harder and harder. I suck at mafia.

Anyways somewhere in the yellow are my woofs.

Did I fall into the poe after being declared towncore solely for my Lily vote? Lmao.

It was for the reason I stated.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:51 am
Sure I'm not saying don't vote off wagon. Hell I'm voting off wagon. That's not why it's bad.

I don't solve in consensus with others. But I think a vote can be bad irregardless of intent outside it.

But maybe it's semantics I'd prefer we not clog the thread.

In wolf equity though I have this to say. I suck at Werewolf but I'm better than that.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:03 am I've still in the middle of towncasing myself and I debated whether to say this for awhile or if it would even help since I don't think I've ever discussed this before and it's icky but I'll just say it:

I promise I'm town.

You've never heard me say I promise in a mafia game before and you'll never hear me say I promise in a mafia game again. That's because it would be a trust tell if I did it as a pattern. I feel like as someone who lies because of being a mafia player I need to have something that's trustworthy no matter what and that's why I make sure my promises are 100% true.

This game is just so important to me and I know I'll feel absolutely horrible if I were the lylo mislim and the reason town loses that I feel like I have to do anything in my power to make town win.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:05 amcopypasta btw

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:01 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:51 am
Sure I'm not saying don't vote off wagon. Hell I'm voting off wagon. That's not why it's bad.

I don't solve in consensus with others. But I think a vote can be bad irregardless of intent outside it.

But maybe it's semantics I'd prefer we not clog the thread.

In wolf equity though I have this to say. I suck at Werewolf but I'm better than that.

Why is it bad then, if off wagon is not bad?
I don't think we are clogging the thread. The thread is almost silent and this conversation might make people get reads out of us too tbh! That's pro town.

Thats not a very good defence ngl tbh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:11 am Don't solve whole game.

Kill wolf.

Then reassess.

And don't read the first wolf for spew.

Just reset.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:21 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:17 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Seanzie @Boquise more content pls

Spoiler: show

tbh

Pot Kettle

Are you doing post count pokes at this point? Are you caught up?

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:03 am I've still in the middle of towncasing myself and I debated whether to say this for awhile or if it would even help since I don't think I've ever discussed this before and it's icky but I'll just say it:

I promise I'm town.

You've never heard me say I promise in a mafia game before and you'll never hear me say I promise in a mafia game again. That's because it would be a trust tell if I did it as a pattern. I feel like as someone who lies because of being a mafia player I need to have something that's trustworthy no matter what and that's why I make sure my promises are 100% true.

This game is just so important to me and I know I'll feel absolutely horrible if I were the lylo mislim and the reason town loses that I feel like I have to do anything in my power to make town win.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:41 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:29 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:01 pm I kinda want to resolve porscha first cause I don't think her and Alison are ever paired

my slot wanted to resolve you. Why shouldnt I just do a 360 and tunnel you?

Idk, do what your heart desires, who am I to judge another