Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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MP. Maybe Eloh.Diiny wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:29 pmBelieve I asked you a question- fancy answering it?
Who's scum, Jack?
Who's scum?
criticizes everyoneJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:54 pm I am thoroughly underwhelmed by a Bass lynch. This is laziness. I can on rare occasion understand lynching a total lurker on a Day 1 wherein the participate rate is abysmal and there's nothing to work with, but this one hasn't been bad. There are plenty of posts, though I admit that I haven't read them all yet.
epi is known for having roles decide ties.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:04 pm Epi said in a recent hosting effort that he doesn't like ties being randomized and that he won't do it that way anymore. Beyond that no clue.
1) SecretsDiiny wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:37 pmHow does not knowing the theme make them less helpful when all the roles are transparrent and explicitly outlined? What advantage does an SF fan have here?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:32 pmAn excuse to be less helpful. Saying things to say things. I don't disbelieve Sloonei, though, hence my emphasis on bs over actually arguing his point was scummy.Diiny wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:20 pmWhy would it be within scum's interest to pretend not to know this game's theme?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 2:28 pmFor saying Dhalsim is an alien.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:25 pmI'm not convinced it did anything. Hard to say though.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:36 pm Sup Din and Dun. What's your story?
Tempted to vote Sloonei for the alien comment.
Do we think the day one poll did anything? Power up Ryu maybe?
Why exactly are you tempted to vote Sloonei?
I guess I could say that pretending to not know a theme is scummy but really, it's that Dhalsim is just an Indian dude. Calling him an alien? Thas racist.
You like to toss votes out early, generally speaking? Or are you extra suspicious of me? Or is this your day one style? Trying to get a feel for you.
I do like to toss votes out early, but I'm still concerned that you're saying things for the sake of saying things, to use your own language. Game mechanic speculation and whether ryu was superior to ken in mvc2 takes second place to scumhunting, ESPECIALLY on day one.
this is a decent analysis.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:16 pmI hate this post. Whole lotta nothing. Like trying to guess the plot of a show. But there is no script, no writer playing up drama, just players playing and thus, no strength behind these ideas.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:42 pmProbably. I'm sure I'll get brazen at some point here too like I almost always do, but my record at actually catching scum when I put my foot full on the brakes is almost certainly laughably bad. Especially early on in games the past couple of years, I try to be as measured as possible, but I'll still poke something if I feel there's something worth poking. As the game progresses I'll probably be more likely to pursue something doggedly. It depends inevitably on what happens though. If I really thought there was something super suspicious in the thread right now I'd be all over it, I think anyway. As it stands, unfortunately I think this game is a more typical Day 1 -- there's a bunch of weaksauce cases to be made that may or may not be totally legit, and I'm not in love with any of them -- specifically, the thoughts people have said re: any of the players with votes right now (Sloonei, JOH, LC, and speedchuck). With that said, however, I'm most potentially swayed by dunya's observation of LC. Just not ready to pull the trigger on it. Not convinced in the slightest by any of the others.Diiny wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:31 pmI remember you being a tad more brazen than this in our games on OT. I like that you've stuck your neck out for some people, but tbh conversely that ties in with my fear of you treading very lightly.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:15 pm I'm cautious because this is me. If I were to display any amount of confidence on Day 1 I'd be full on in MP hurricane mode based on very little and that typically doesn't end as well for town as I'd like it to, to put it lightly. I find that town benefits much better from me being cautious than careless.
If you had to choose right now, who's scum? Is your vote staying on squid? show me some fire without any actual consequences.
If I had to choose right now... ugh. I'm terrible at scum reads early in the game and these days much prefer to play POE for the first phase or two because I think it plays to my strengths. That said, I suppose I'd pick two or three of Bass, DFaraday, Dom, DrWilgy, Elohcin, and malakim to be bad (and which I choose would be basically luck at this point because none of them have literally anything substantial to judge), and then one of the players with votes right now that have some heat (JOH, Sloonei, LC, speedchuck -- GTH I'd pick LC), and then one of the more talkative bunch so far (you, Jay, dunya, Sloonei again, Blooper -- GTH I'd pick Jay). So LC, Jay, and two lurkers basically. I think.
As for what I'd do with my vote, it's very likely moving away from Blooper. I don't feel anything bad about her right now; it was basically RVS. I'd most likely vote for Bass. Not sure yet. It'd be nice if more folks popped in here soon so I can sort through how everyone else is feeling.
I dislike his interactions with LC a lot (in that LC comes out on top and MP comes across dishonest) and of course, his push on Bass, a townie.
At this point, MP is my top suspect.
i meant dunyaDom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:20 pmi doubt diiny has bstcMovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:27 pmDoes this post seem forced to anyone else?
I'm not necessarily scum-reading Diiny for it, but something is off. It just seems to me Diiny is struggling coming up with conversation, but it's striking to me that he singled out Jay only for this inquiry.
As MP may or may not tell you, he actually defended me.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:41 pmHence part of my suspicion of MP and his accusations of LC falling flat.
I don't like this handwavy defense of MP.Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:57 pmOoo, Sweden. I'm fascinated by other places because I've never been off the east coast of the United States.
I think Simon is civ. I agree with MP that his contributions seem solid. I will also say that Simon is right in that we were talking about street fighter costumes for Halloween. We like to dress up as a family sometimes and I was asking who Abigail (my daughter) and I could be. I was unsure of how many girls were in the game. And I brought up how the characters wear almost nothing and we couldn't dress like skanks (well ever!) but specifically at the end of October. Anyway. That's all I'll say about that.
I don't think LC is bad at this time. I'll tell you if I change my mind on that.
I don't think MP is bad atm either. He likes to get his boxers in a bunch Day 1, I've learned thia of him. So I don't pay him any mind.
I don't know who is bad yet, but if I had to guess it would be niju. She is awful chatty for her meta. Maybe she is just happy with that new ring on her finger. But she is definitely acting outside her usual self.
Also, sorry for not being present today. I was out all day with lots to do.
Felt like a backtrack for sure.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:49 pmAs MP may or may not tell you, he actually defended me.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:41 pmHence part of my suspicion of MP and his accusations of LC falling flat.
To avoid misinterpretation or whatever: I believe this is mild buddying.
-_-
I don't buy that MP totally thinks you're civ for a second.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:49 pmAs MP may or may not tell you, he actually defended me.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:41 pmHence part of my suspicion of MP and his accusations of LC falling flat.
To avoid misinterpretation or whatever: I believe this is mild buddying.
but he townread lc first, didn't he?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:54 pmFelt like a backtrack for sure.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:49 pmAs MP may or may not tell you, he actually defended me.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:41 pmHence part of my suspicion of MP and his accusations of LC falling flat.
To avoid misinterpretation or whatever: I believe this is mild buddying.
Him heavily townreading me after I made one joke post also reads as buddying. It has been stated that I tend to read based on myself more than I really should. I've been wary of buddying attempts of late, especially from Mass Effect players.
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:18 pmI think I agree, but I simultaneously also hesitate to scum-read speedchuck or LC for doing something so brazen. Again this is anecdotal, but in my mind more often than not, most people who play scum roles try everything possible to get the spotlight off of them on Day 1, not put it on them. And what speedchuck and LC did was risky if they're scum.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:15 pm To reiterate/clarify a point I made earlier: I don't think Jack was being serious about his desire to vote for me. His temptation to vote for me boiled down to a "That's racist, man!" joke. I read nothing into it. That it was then picked up, apparently, by speedchuck and Long Con is something worth pursuing in the absence of anything more substantial.
Linki x100: Stop posting so I can post!
Yuck yuck.Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:24 pmI don't have anything to say about the RYM players as it will take me a bit to get to know them first, I think.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:12 pmThanks for the elaboration! That's an interesting observation. I'll agree that she is a bit more posty than a typical game although not completely out of character (see: Clue where she and I chatted a lot on D1, if I recall correctly), but I haven't found anything questionable in her content. She could be bad I suppose and hiding behind a lurker vote to avoid having to fake suspicions, and so I questioned her a bit earlier, but I don't have any reason to believe to be true at the moment.
Do you have any thoughts on any of the RYM-based players (Diiny, dunya, Jay, Sloonei) or anyone else for that matter? I assume you would have stated something outstanding otherwise when you said stuff about me/LC/Simon, but I figured it doesn't hurt to ask.
You're right that voting blooper really does no good anyway. It would just make it easier for mafia to blend.
I don't have anything to say about the current wagons. I don't understand them, tbh.
I guess I need to vote before going to watch tv with Epi and going to bed. My eyea burn, I'm so tired. Um......has bass even poated anything all game?
Pinterest is pretty much only for weddings and recipes. I haven't even looked at my Pinterest since our wedding, lol. Have fun!nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:30 pmLOL I admit, I'm pinning stuff like mad while checking back here periodically.
ISO'd her just now.
Damn, that is a cool feature.
Ugh.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:26 amTinfoil MP/LC scumteam, with all the buddying and false accusations between them. Just doesn't sit well with me.
No, it's a quote from Wil Wheaton from a Tabletop Season 4 episode "Mysterium."Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:28 am Did Gary Gygax realy say that?
Ugh.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:26 amTinfoil MP/LC scumteam, with all the buddying and false accusations between them. Just doesn't sit well with me.
Assume Eloh is bad (cause this is otherwise a worthless exercise).
IKR? I generally don't follow tinfoil.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:28 amUgh.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:26 amTinfoil MP/LC scumteam, with all the buddying and false accusations between them. Just doesn't sit well with me.
Actually wait a secondJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:52 amAssume Eloh is bad (cause this is otherwise a worthless exercise).
What do you make of her vote and interactions when it comes to Sloonei, Simon, MP and Blooper?
Why?
She went back and forth in night vale, but not usually in the same post. A sampling of her D1/N1 posts that game:Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:35 pm I thought Eloh was wushu washy in Nightvake in the exact same way she is here.
The MP/LC thing really didn't go anywhere. I don't feel like it helped anything, but I don't suspect MP for latching onto something minor, especially on Day 1.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:19 amGood luck. MP's been on a rampage.
If you could weigh in on Sloonei, MP, Eloh, LC, Diiny, and Simon, that seems to be the focus of discussion. And me.
Or heck, make a rainbow. The game isn't huge.
what is bstc and why do you doubt i have it?Dom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:43 pmi meant dunyaDom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:20 pmi doubt diiny has bstcMovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:27 pmDoes this post seem forced to anyone else?
I'm not necessarily scum-reading Diiny for it, but something is off. It just seems to me Diiny is struggling coming up with conversation, but it's striking to me that he singled out Jay only for this inquiry.
confused y'all.
...I'm confused.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:26 am Dii is prob town, I think. Despite this next comment.
The push on LC to clarify why he didn't use OT green text to comment on sloonei is pretty much the silliest (to use a nice word) exchange I've ever seen. It made LC look better for no reason. I'm not going to read into the thing on LC much. LC's defense was good, but any townie or scummie can defend against a stupid argument. Hmph.
Tinfoil MP/LC scumteam, with all the buddying and false accusations between them. Just doesn't sit well with me.
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:01 pmThat said, I found this to be a bit of an aggressive reaction from LC. While things like this also seem typical of early-game Long Con, I can't not question him a little. While I did not find him suspicious for labeling my Dhalsim alien comments "weird", I don't think it's "ridiculous" for MP to have engaged in a discussion about it in the early parts of Day 1, and I think there absolutely exists an argument for him potentially "fanning the flames" of a possible suspicion against me. It's not the argument that I would support, but I would not deny its credibility. His post history after this is almost entirely MP & Diiny-related. He gets no pings from Diiny, but does not flinch on his "MP is definitely bad" position because of what he perceives to be a dishonest handling of the situation by our Sock Commander. I do not perceive this dishonesty. I'd ask LC if he can see any town motivations for MP to have pursued this line of discussion.That's ridiculous. I didn't do anything risky by agreeing that it's weird to call Dhalsim an alien.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:18 pmI think I agree, but I simultaneously also hesitate to scum-read speedchuck or LC for doing something so brazen. Again this is anecdotal, but in my mind more often than not, most people who play scum roles try everything possible to get the spotlight off of them on Day 1, not put it on them. And what speedchuck and LC did was risky if they're scum.
You are bad in this game, MP. I can smell it on you. You're trying too hard on this.
*vote MovingPictures07*
I'd also ask him for fresh reads on new players. Hey LC, got any thoughts on players not named MovingPictures or Diiny?
That said, I found this to be a bit of an aggressive reaction from LC. While things like this also seem typical of early-game Long Con, I can't not question him a little. While I did not find him suspicious for labeling my Dhalsim alien comments "weird", I don't think it's "ridiculous" for MP to have engaged in a discussion about it in the early parts of Day 1, and I think there absolutely exists an argument for him potentially "fanning the flames" of a possible suspicion against me. It's not the argument that I would support, but I would not deny its credibility. His post history after this is almost entirely MP & Diiny-related. He gets no pings from Diiny, but does not flinch on his "MP is definitely bad" position because of what he perceives to be a dishonest handling of the situation by our Sock Commander. I do not perceive this dishonesty. I'd ask LC if he can see any town motivations for MP to have pursued this line of discussion.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:01 pmThat's ridiculous. I didn't do anything risky by agreeing that it's weird to call Dhalsim an alien.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:18 pmI think I agree, but I simultaneously also hesitate to scum-read speedchuck or LC for doing something so brazen. Again this is anecdotal, but in my mind more often than not, most people who play scum roles try everything possible to get the spotlight off of them on Day 1, not put it on them. And what speedchuck and LC did was risky if they're scum.
You are bad in this game, MP. I can smell it on you. You're trying too hard on this.
*vote MovingPictures07*
Behind The Scenes Communicationdunya wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:57 pmwhat is bstc and why do you doubt i have it?Dom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:43 pmi meant dunyaDom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:20 pmi doubt diiny has bstcMovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:27 pmDoes this post seem forced to anyone else?
I'm not necessarily scum-reading Diiny for it, but something is off. It just seems to me Diiny is struggling coming up with conversation, but it's striking to me that he singled out Jay only for this inquiry.
confused y'all.
How's aboutspeedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:44 pmShe went back and forth in night vale, but not usually in the same post. A sampling of her D1/N1 posts that game:Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:35 pm I thought Eloh was wushu washy in Nightvake in the exact same way she is here.
"I actually like this response to Epi. I think if someone grasps onto this "reason" for why Tony may be mafia, they should be looked at more closely as maybe being mafia themselves."
"So in other words, you're going to vote for someone based on your weaknesses? I think you may have my vote."
"If I could cqhnge my vote it would be to you. You're acting very scummy."
"I think I'm seeing a town golden."
"Who was it that said, "please don't vote jack" out of nowhere yesterday at end of day 1? I wanted to inquire about that."
Me, that was me. I did that. "Why did you say it?"
In night vale, Eloh flopped back and forth, sure. But she made statements. She called out things, questioned people, made calls on reads. Whereas in this game Eloh has been wishy-washy. I know it's backwards, but meta-wise: Is Eloh's current act just town unsureness?
Or is Eloh's more confident act something she does when scumhunting, since night vale had two scumteams? That would make her more scummy this game.
linki: Because of her non-committal statements, Sloon. I'm trying to figure out if Eloh's meta points one way or another right now.
His remark doesn't make sense to me, so did he really mean Diiny instead of dunya despite getting confused and saying he meant dunya instead of Diiny...since the convo was on Diiny?Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:04 pmBehind The Scenes Communicationdunya wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:57 pmwhat is bstc and why do you doubt i have it?Dom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:43 pmi meant dunyaDom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:20 pmi doubt diiny has bstcMovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:27 pmDoes this post seem forced to anyone else?
I'm not necessarily scum-reading Diiny for it, but something is off. It just seems to me Diiny is struggling coming up with conversation, but it's striking to me that he singled out Jay only for this inquiry.
confused y'all.
I felt he got rather defensive, in an agitated sort of way, especially with MP who for the most part was defending him. I'm not sure yet how I interpret that.
Do you have any thoughts worth sharing on those of us you are familiar with?dunya wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:21 pmI felt he got rather defensive, in an agitated sort of way, especially with MP who for the most part was defending him. I'm not sure yet how I interpret that.
It's pretty exciting and challenging playing with brand new people who I have no idea how they usually react so I'm reading other people's interpretations of character and posts and relying a bit on the info I get here and there of what seems odd and unlike their usual meta, etc.
I get what LC said, but somehow I just don't buy it that he was talking out of character in some OT banter just yet so I'll keep an eye on him.
Jay asked three questions with bold, underlined, and italicized WHYs. My initial reaction is it's a character stipulation of some sort.
