The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:09 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:38 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:35 pm i'd hope i dont get lynched day 1, im super excited about playing!

exclamation marks
give me the jim jams, i say
"hello, fellow town"

What does this mean? Jim Jams are generally negative, it's like the willies (maybe different where you come from?), but "Hello town" indicates otherwise. After the first two lines, I would expect "hello big baddie".

I think we got a fairly good insight into each other in Survivor; that was probably one of the more stressful and intense mafia experiences I have ever had. The fact that you are so regularly disagreeing with me, but not explaining it in a way I can understand is making it hard for me to see your points, and I would like to see them.

Self imposed haiku;
fun if understandable
not fun if it's not

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:10 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:30 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:18 pm his posts look civ to me

I am not sure I agree, but the fact that you state it so clearly makes me feel way lots better about you, tbh. After Quins post, I went back and reread you, and was a bit conflicted.

I agree with your read on nutella.


I wonder why DH still has his vote on me.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:28 am
Also, Epignosis, where are you? I saw you reading in here a few times last night, but no thoughts. Since you and I think very differently I would like to hear your insights.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:10 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:30 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:18 pm his posts look civ to me

I am not sure I agree, but the fact that you state it so clearly makes me feel way lots better about you, tbh. After Quins post, I went back and reread you, and was a bit conflicted.

I agree with your read on nutella.


I wonder why DH still has his vote on me.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:44 pm this is a half truth
i can see the cogs turning
in reading his posts

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:59 pm nut'la's recent post
what if it is their teammate
that didn't haiku?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:17 am Hey Sprityo, it looks like it's a battle between me and you.

YOU READY FOR THIS!?!???

(actually, I don't want you lynched if you have a cool role, which you're acting like you do. Hm.)

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:17 am Hey Sprityo, it looks like it's a battle between me and you.

YOU READY FOR THIS!?!???

(actually, I don't want you lynched if you have a cool role, which you're acting like you do. Hm.)

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:50 am Question for the field:

Is colonialbob already on his second role, or am I missing something?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:54 am ebwop, if we are looking at it from a tribal perspective, then someone who does not follow host directions is the weakest link, imo, and we are back to RR.

And since we shifted to suspicions (the non LP players seemed more comfy with that, I guess they did not hatch voting plans where they came from) I am OK sticking with it until we see how a lynch pans out. As I recall Golden is not a "No Lynch" fan, and I don't know that he would have a dynamic that favors it.

@ epignosis I think Bob loses his FIRST life on Day 6, not his second?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:49 am Question, hosts or players. I don't expect a host answer honestly, but worth discussing.

The opening post says haiku senders are immune to lynch. Does that mean if the top vote getter is immune, then there is NO lynch, or that it falls back to the top NON immune vote getter?

I have been operating on the assumption of the first option, no lynch. The other does not seem immensely fair, but that does not mean it is not possible.

Linki @ LC, I am not sure if that is possible to know until we have had a result? Are you suggesting a no lynch, like all voting for Bob or something?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:44 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:17 am Hey Sprityo, it looks like it's a battle between me and you.

YOU READY FOR THIS!?!???

(actually, I don't want you lynched if you have a cool role, which you're acting like you do. Hm.)

Why does this post not surprise me?

I kept getting an (albeit early, especially with the two role business) team-y vibe from you and Sprit, especially with how you reacted to the idea of the RR ... UNTIL you dropped that opportunistic vote on him. That made me feel as if one or the other of you was bad, not both. This post brought we right back to where I was.

I want to see SpeedBuffy again~ you may not have been overly effective there due to divided attentions as your other game was in endphase combined with 24 hour days, but once I had a grip on your civvieness, I understood you; but to be honest, I am not seeing that person at all in this game. I am going to reread you there, becasue as I recall, you discussed your civ game there, and being as you were a civ would have no reason to be misleading about it.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:56 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:54 am ebwop, if we are looking at it from a tribal perspective, then someone who does not follow host directions is the weakest link, imo, and we are back to RR.

And since we shifted to suspicions (the non LP players seemed more comfy with that, I guess they did not hatch voting plans where they came from) I am OK sticking with it until we see how a lynch pans out. As I recall Golden is not a "No Lynch" fan, and I don't know that he would have a dynamic that favors it.

@ epignosis I think Bob loses his FIRST life on Day 6, not his second?

You could just say me
If that is what you mean here
It won't make me sad.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:56 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:54 am ebwop, if we are looking at it from a tribal perspective, then someone who does not follow host directions is the weakest link, imo, and we are back to RR.

And since we shifted to suspicions (the non LP players seemed more comfy with that, I guess they did not hatch voting plans where they came from) I am OK sticking with it until we see how a lynch pans out. As I recall Golden is not a "No Lynch" fan, and I don't know that he would have a dynamic that favors it.

@ epignosis I think Bob loses his FIRST life on Day 6, not his second?

You could just say me
If that is what you mean here
It won't make me sad.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:54 am ebwop, if we are looking at it from a tribal perspective, then someone who does not follow host directions is the weakest link, imo, and we are back to RR.

And since we shifted to suspicions (the non LP players seemed more comfy with that, I guess they did not hatch voting plans where they came from) I am OK sticking with it until we see how a lynch pans out. As I recall Golden is not a "No Lynch" fan, and I don't know that he would have a dynamic that favors it.

@ epignosis I think Bob loses his FIRST life on Day 6, not his second?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:56 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:49 am Question, hosts or players. I don't expect a host answer honestly, but worth discussing.

The opening post says haiku senders are immune to lynch. Does that mean if the top vote getter is immune, then there is NO lynch, or that it falls back to the top NON immune vote getter?

I have been operating on the assumption of the first option, no lynch. The other does not seem immensely fair, but that does not mean it is not possible.

Linki @ LC, I am not sure if that is possible to know until we have had a result? Are you suggesting a no lynch, like all voting for Bob or something?

I'm operating on first assumption. The other way results in a guaranteed lynch on non-Haikuers, even if whatever number of them are all tied at zero votes apiece. That is not what I expect to see.

I'm not totally sure what I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting discussing it over not discussing it. I certainly am not suggesting that everyone forget their current votes and pile on bob (or a haiku sender).

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:44 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:17 am Hey Sprityo, it looks like it's a battle between me and you.

YOU READY FOR THIS!?!???

(actually, I don't want you lynched if you have a cool role, which you're acting like you do. Hm.)

Why does this post not surprise me?

I kept getting an (albeit early, especially with the two role business) team-y vibe from you and Sprit, especially with how you reacted to the idea of the RR ... UNTIL you dropped that opportunistic vote on him. That made me feel as if one or the other of you was bad, not both. This post brought we right back to where I was.

I want to see SpeedBuffy again~ you may not have been overly effective there due to divided attentions as your other game was in endphase combined with 24 hour days, but once I had a grip on your civvieness, I understood you; but to be honest, I am not seeing that person at all in this game. I am going to reread you there, becasue as I recall, you discussed your civ game there, and being as you were a civ would have no reason to be misleading about it.

I'm all for you being really good at this... but isn't it a scosche early for that level of read? Your grasp of his Civvie game didn't come until later in Buffy, after a number of days of real play. Don't you think that this Day 1, specifically with the Haiku Lynch Immunity so many of us share, is like... a tainted sample of his game?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:58 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:54 am ebwop, if we are looking at it from a tribal perspective, then someone who does not follow host directions is the weakest link, imo, and we are back to RR.

And since we shifted to suspicions (the non LP players seemed more comfy with that, I guess they did not hatch voting plans where they came from) I am OK sticking with it until we see how a lynch pans out. As I recall Golden is not a "No Lynch" fan, and I don't know that he would have a dynamic that favors it.

@ epignosis I think Bob loses his FIRST life on Day 6, not his second?

We don't have to RR if a guaranteed lynch is what we need. We just have to vote sprityo. A Round Robin would probably end up with no lynch.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:58 am Oh I see it now
You meant those who did not send
The hosts a haiku

---
I won't use the tag
because it makes me nauseous
^^^^^That is not a joke.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:06 pm In the case of a tie, I doubt there is a no lynch, and an RR would be a tie.

I have to go do stuff, bbl.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:05 pm Why did that make you sad?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:09 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:06 pm In the case of a tie, I doubt there is a no lynch, and an RR would be a tie.

I have to go do stuff, bbl.

I just mean a Round Robin tie would likely end up the same as everyone voting for a Haiku-sender, and I think that would be a no-lynch. I didn't mean a tie just results in no lynch, but that the likely randomizatinon result would be a majority Haiku-sender.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:07 pm I sent this to Marmot (and DH), but I want to put it out there as well, for full disclosure or whatever.

Subject: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:58 am Oh I see it now
You meant those who did not send
The hosts a haiku

---
I won't use the tag
because it makes me nauseous
^^^^^That is not a joke.

How about a background of blue with a hint of green, and white text?

And we could also make "AUBERGINE" into size 1, like this: AUBERGINE Then it's not a glaring thing, but it's still searchable.

Marmot, is there a forum way to make a background colour for text? Something we could use in games?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:10 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:05 pm Why did that make you sad?

I don't love being laughed at, no one does. Everyone says stupid things at times. But I also am perhaps overly sensitive to that, so meh.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:11 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:07 pm I sent this to Marmot (and DH), but I want to put it out there as well, for full disclosure or whatever.

Subject: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:58 am Oh I see it now
You meant those who did not send
The hosts a haiku

---
I won't use the tag
because it makes me nauseous
^^^^^That is not a joke.

How about a background of blue with a hint of green, and white text?

And we could also make "AUBERGINE" into size 1, like this: AUBERGINE Then it's not a glaring thing, but it's still searchable.

Marmot, is there a forum way to make a background colour for text? Something we could use in games?

You are a good friend
I don't mean to be a pain
I hope this is solved.

I'm glad you brought it up. I'm supposed to be the Graphics guy around here, so I figured I should give my two cents about the visuals. Also, I think my way would look really sharp!

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:10 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:09 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:06 pm In the case of a tie, I doubt there is a no lynch, and an RR would be a tie.

I have to go do stuff, bbl.

I just mean a Round Robin tie would likely end up the same as everyone voting for a Haiku-sender, and I think that would be a no-lynch. I didn't mean a tie just results in no lynch, but that the likely randomizatinon result would be a majority Haiku-sender.

But a tie where none of the votes count but one would not be a tie, would it?

Day One has begun. You have 48 hours to lynch somebody. All players who paid the correct entry fee will be immune.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:51 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:50 am Question for the field:

Is colonialbob already on his second role, or am I missing something?

You should read the post
From our lovely host golden
that started this thread.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:37 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:51 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:50 am Question for the field:

Is colonialbob already on his second role, or am I missing something?

You should read the post
From our lovely host golden
that started this thread.

I did read it. I misunderstood it. I understand now.

My take on this, then, is that colonialbob is something of a "bulletproof Innocent Child," that is to say, an invincible cleared civilian- at least until Day 6. That would make him inherently trustworthy and a thorn for whatever mafia are in here with us.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:49 am Question, hosts or players. I don't expect a host answer honestly, but worth discussing.

The opening post says haiku senders are immune to lynch. Does that mean if the top vote getter is immune, then there is NO lynch, or that it falls back to the top NON immune vote getter?

I have been operating on the assumption of the first option, no lynch. The other does not seem immensely fair, but that does not mean it is not possible.

Linki @ LC, I am not sure if that is possible to know until we have had a result? Are you suggesting a no lynch, like all voting for Bob or something?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:50 am I will Vote For Chuck
I wont use the gross vote tag
It makes me feel sick.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:59 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:50 am I will Vote For Chuck
I wont use the gross vote tag
It makes me feel sick.

I'm considering changing the tags for tomorrow, but if you sabotage their use, your vote won't count and I will put my heels in for tomorrow.

It's designed so that people are able to search and undertake accurate vote analysis. Please don't subvert it.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:44 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:17 am Hey Sprityo, it looks like it's a battle between me and you.

YOU READY FOR THIS!?!???

(actually, I don't want you lynched if you have a cool role, which you're acting like you do. Hm.)

Why does this post not surprise me?

I kept getting an (albeit early, especially with the two role business) team-y vibe from you and Sprit, especially with how you reacted to the idea of the RR ... UNTIL you dropped that opportunistic vote on him. That made me feel as if one or the other of you was bad, not both. This post brought we right back to where I was.

I want to see SpeedBuffy again~ you may not have been overly effective there due to divided attentions as your other game was in endphase combined with 24 hour days, but once I had a grip on your civvieness, I understood you; but to be honest, I am not seeing that person at all in this game. I am going to reread you there, becasue as I recall, you discussed your civ game there, and being as you were a civ would have no reason to be misleading about it.

linki, lol. Yup.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:34 pm no I was the second guy

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:34 am

Spoiler: show

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:44 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:19 pm Also sprit, you gave DDl a plus 1. He came in scolding people for not wanting to talk suspicions, which is not true, and then went on to discuss, not suspicions, but mechanics.

Do you have thoughts on this?

this is a half truth
i can see the cogs turning
in reading his posts

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:59 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:49 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:44 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:19 pm Also sprit, you gave DDl a plus 1. He came in scolding people for not wanting to talk suspicions, which is not true, and then went on to discuss, not suspicions, but mechanics.

Do you have thoughts on this?

this is a half truth
i can see the cogs turning
in reading his posts

I don't think it is a half truth. I see cogs as well, but perhaps different ones than you see. Also Chucks strong reaction to the RR plan got my eye, he seems to be saying he is a laid back guy, but he seemed pretty far from that when he reacted to the suggestion.

Who would you recommend I look at instead? I am not married to this vote.

nut'la's recent post
what if it is their teammate
that didn't haiku?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:10 pm hmmmm I think I like DDL's perspective but I still see it both ways, like I see the value in learning someone's role if we can but then it sounds like they could change alignment so that could be dangerous. I'm leaning toward DDL's side then and I think even if we get a no-lynch we can still have a productive D1 discussion.

like.... what is the likelihood that there is actually someone who both didn't submit a haiku and is a member of the mafia?

I'm definitely over the haikus. Quin is giving me the feelbad jimjams with his last couple of posts. I have the uncut posts in the above spoiler tag for reference.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:44 pm this is a half truth
i can see the cogs turning
in reading his posts

This is about DDL, in response to S~V~S' accusation that DDL was not following up adequately after pooh-poohing the Round Robin in favour of more info. What cogs do you see turning? I assume this means you can see Civ thought processes going on from DDL? This seems very off-handed and I'm going to need to hear more about this.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:59 pm nut'la's recent post
what if it is their teammate
that didn't haiku?

This looks like lazy fearmongering. I don't think it's a true take on a baddie perspective. The risk of lynching anybody is pretty low this time, and I doubt that a baddie nutella would be so concerned that she'd need to start making sure everyone thinks it's unlikely.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine PLASTICENE JELLYBEAN

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:48 pm The only way that having 2 roles does NOT benefit scum is if we commit to every lynch. Mathematically.

Lynching someone opens them up to lynch or nightkill. It takes us two lynches to kill someone. It takes us TWO lynches. If we mislynch, mafia can kill the mislynchee instantly. Would they do that?

"Of course," Long Con says. "After all, killing someone else would supply a townfirm."

Right. So Mafia will probably finish the job for us. Unless they don't. In the case that our lynched dude is scum, they'll kill someone else. This leads us to kill the dude again, and they can finish the job on that other person, bringing us back to square one.

Basically, for game balance and assurance that mafia won't just wipe the floor with us, both sides will, by nature, double down. Which is dumb, because it means the second roles we are given aren't worth a flying flip darn tootin' skippy, except for a last night action before biting the dust. In addition, the roles of these players that get doubled down on won't be revealed if they get nightkilled (we'll know they aren't scum, but that's all).

AM I MISSING ANYTHING?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:48 pm The only way that having 2 roles does NOT benefit scum is if we commit to every lynch. Mathematically.

Lynching someone opens them up to lynch or nightkill. It takes us two lynches to kill someone. It takes us TWO lynches. If we mislynch, mafia can kill the mislynchee instantly. Would they do that?

"Of course," Long Con says. "After all, killing someone else would supply a townfirm."

Right. So Mafia will probably finish the job for us. Unless they don't. In the case that our lynched dude is scum, they'll kill someone else. This leads us to kill the dude again, and they can finish the job on that other person, bringing us back to square one.

Basically, for game balance and assurance that mafia won't just wipe the floor with us, both sides will, by nature, double down. Which is dumb, because it means the second roles we are given aren't worth a flying flip darn tootin' skippy, except for a last night action before biting the dust. In addition, the roles of these players that get doubled down on won't be revealed if they get nightkilled (we'll know they aren't scum, but that's all).

AM I MISSING ANYTHING?

By night killing other options, the mafia is providing itself with a chance to grow.