The Syndicate

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:49 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:46 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:43 am Isn't mafia SVS more locked in to a push by now? I was going to continue my tunnel but I remember her hunting for pushes and being eager to shade people as mafia. Her responses feel unlike her bad self especially her bad self when she's being wagoned. I don't know who else it would be but I don't want to be locked in to her just because I can't name two mafia.

Maybe. I’m not sure that her time constraints have allowed for that either way.

I’d vote motobot too.

I don't like that SVS has been focused on how bad the reasons are for voting her instead of why she's town, but if she's town then it could be because she doesn't have a lot to defend herself on as town either. I feel unsure enough that I'd rather vote moto at this moment. Boring and shrug, sure, but I don't think SVS is more likely a hit. I remember her mafia play as more exaggerated if that makes sense. I also feel like she takes the jump to actually suspecting me instead of townreading me and voting me anyway.

[VOTE: motobot] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:57 am My primary concern about S~V~S is what appears to be a stagnant slate of reads.

She called falcon and I town early, and that hasn't developed since so I suppose it holds. Now she has at least leaned in the town direction for Thunal (while voting). She has interacted a lot with Long Con, but I don't know how she reads him. She hasn't given a take on Epignosis or Roxy, both of whom she knows well as players.

So her primary objective right now is to survive rather than to solve. That can be town too, but it's plainly valid as a mafia agenda.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:00 am I played with motobot in Don't Starve Mafia (as his mafia teammate). He was quiet and unengaged with solving.

I played with motobot in Kagemusha Mafia (both town). He was still quiet, but I was able to find him with good confidence before Day 1 ended. That was primarily a product of his responses to early pressure. He has not responded to early pressure here. Perhaps he "anticipated" it when posting that he had no reads.

I don't have any compelling case to provide for motobot. It's an absence of town. If I vote for him, that will be the extent of it.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:57 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:57 am My primary concern about S~V~S is what appears to be a stagnant slate of reads.

She called falcon and I town early, and that hasn't developed since so I suppose it holds. Now she has at least leaned in the town direction for Thunal (while voting). She has interacted a lot with Long Con, but I don't know how she reads him. She hasn't given a take on Epignosis or Roxy, both of whom she knows well as players.

So her primary objective right now is to survive rather than to solve. That can be town too, but it's plainly valid as a mafia agenda.

and what Thunal is doing is town?

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:00 am I played with motobot in Don't Starve Mafia (as his mafia teammate). He was quiet and unengaged with solving.

I played with motobot in Kagemusha Mafia (both town). He was still quiet, but I was able to find him with good confidence before Day 1 ended. That was primarily a product of his responses to early pressure. He has not responded to early pressure here. Perhaps he "anticipated" it when posting that he had no reads.

I don't have any compelling case to provide for motobot. It's an absence of town. If I vote for him, that will be the extent of it.

it's sad you just pick the lowest poster to take out. Really the easiest option as you will not have to defend your vote for Moto bc they probs won't have too much time to respond (I think they are in school?)

I do expect more from you than this tbh.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:27 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:56 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:22 pm Tbh, I am a little sus of SVS because she's made no comment on my wagon. When I have 2 votes and nobody else has any, I'd expect SVS to want to give me more time like she did last time we were t/t because she thought I'd be an asset to town (I forget the game). Wanting to see more from me is understandable, but I feel like she'd want to look into who's voting me and why.

I didn't comment on it either. It was only 2 votes. Why didn't you look into who is voting you and why? Why must SVS do it?

I did and I felt like SVS was sitting back and watching which bothered me. I think both my actual voters at the time were town and mafia was more likely watching it happen.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:55 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:49 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:46 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:43 am Isn't mafia SVS more locked in to a push by now? I was going to continue my tunnel but I remember her hunting for pushes and being eager to shade people as mafia. Her responses feel unlike her bad self especially her bad self when she's being wagoned. I don't know who else it would be but I don't want to be locked in to her just because I can't name two mafia.

Maybe. I’m not sure that her time constraints have allowed for that either way.

I’d vote motobot too.

I don't like that SVS has been focused on how bad the reasons are for voting her instead of why she's town, but if she's town then it could be because she doesn't have a lot to defend herself on as town either. I feel unsure enough that I'd rather vote moto at this moment. Boring and shrug, sure, but I don't think SVS is more likely a hit. I remember her mafia play as more exaggerated if that makes sense. I also feel like she takes the jump to actually suspecting me instead of townreading me and voting me anyway.

[VOTE: motobot] aubergine

wow wow wow

this post makes me want to vote for you if I am honest.

You saying she was suspicious bc she didn't defend you or look into your voters to I don't think SVS is more likely a hit.

and Moto??? Really?

I guess I am not feeling what everyone else does.

I felt that Moto's post about no suspicions felt town vibey.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:01 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:27 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:56 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:22 pm Tbh, I am a little sus of SVS because she's made no comment on my wagon. When I have 2 votes and nobody else has any, I'd expect SVS to want to give me more time like she did last time we were t/t because she thought I'd be an asset to town (I forget the game). Wanting to see more from me is understandable, but I feel like she'd want to look into who's voting me and why.

I didn't comment on it either. It was only 2 votes. Why didn't you look into who is voting you and why? Why must SVS do it?

I did and I felt like SVS was sitting back and watching which bothered me. I think both my actual voters at the time were town and mafia was more likely watching it happen.

I was watching it happen as well.
Does that bother you the same as SVS?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:00 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:00 am I played with motobot in Don't Starve Mafia (as his mafia teammate). He was quiet and unengaged with solving.

I played with motobot in Kagemusha Mafia (both town). He was still quiet, but I was able to find him with good confidence before Day 1 ended. That was primarily a product of his responses to early pressure. He has not responded to early pressure here. Perhaps he "anticipated" it when posting that he had no reads.

I don't have any compelling case to provide for motobot. It's an absence of town. If I vote for him, that will be the extent of it.

it's sad you just pick the lowest poster to take out. Really the easiest option as you will not have to defend your vote for Moto bc they probs won't have too much time to respond (I think they are in school?)

I do expect more from you than this tbh.

I absolutely don't care what people "expect" from me. My win condition is not to make the most impressive vote. It is to make the right vote. I have no reason to view motobot as a civilian.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:04 pm A lot of people sat back and watched my wagon happen but I specifically thought/think it was worse for SVS.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:06 pm I can't even make a good legacy d1. If I live to d2/d3 I will have a lot better reads like I do literally every town game.

Who is my partner? @Epignosis @falcon45ca

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:10 pm I guess my legacy (if you can call it that since I'll end up doing everything I can to not die) is that Roxy, Long Con, and JJJ are town. The others all are some shade of me having reasons to think they're town (other than motobot) but enough hesitation that they could be PoE given that the bar for this game is really high.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:12 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:10 pm I guess my legacy (if you can call it that since I'll end up doing everything I can to not die) is that Roxy, Long Con, and JJJ are town. The others all are some shade of me having reasons to think they're town (other than motobot) but enough hesitation that they could be PoE given that the bar for this game is really high.

Why are you so sure on LC1?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:17 pm fwiw I am almost certainly misclearing someone and now I don't really think it's motobot either. It's been really hard this game (and probably contributes to the sus on me) to not be paralyzed by the fear of getting it wrong. If my choice goes over and flips town we're not only down one miskill in a 9 player game we're probably down two since I die after and I feel like we just lose then.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:26 pm motobot could flip town and I would be zero percent surprised. motobot could flip mafia and I would be zero percent surprised.

My vote is only slightly better than a guess. Unfortunately, that is still true no matter who I vote for. I am beyond useless in games this slow, and I always have been. motobot is unlikely to become significantly more solvable in the near-enough future, so at least there's some manner of strategic validity to that vote regardless of the flip.

If I have to force myself to pretend someone is truly, genuinely, actually "suspicious" enough to matter, then I'll vote S~V~S.

I harbor very little real trust for this roster. Long Con is probably my top town read at this point, even him flipping mafia would be unsurprising.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:35 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:22 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:21 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:09 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 5:02 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 1:36 pm I would rather she spend her interacting time doing more than bread puns, instead of dumping thoughts when no one's around. But yeah, saying things is the only way.

Um, I'm fairly sure everyone but Jay has been bread bunning. And "dumping thoughts when no ones around"?? Wow. Sorry I get up at 4:30 for work.

Do you think this take on you is scummy for Long Con?

No, not scummy, but maybe unfair. It surprised me that he said that, but I think it sounds pissy rather than scummy if that makes sense.

I didn't mean for it to be pissy. Contextually, it's a response to JJJ praising you because saying things is the way to move the game forward. I was just saying it's better to move the game forward when multiple people are in the thread, some real-time interaction, and you used that time exclusively for bread puns. I know there was plenty of other players doing fluff, but I was in a conversation about you...

Like with you, I need to see more on topic with LC to form an opinion. I used to always think he was bad, so I need to focus on what he says rather than how he says it like I do with most people.

...and, I don't think I am one of those players. I fluffed a couple of posts right when I arrived, but most of my posts have been on-topic. I think I'm one of the least off-topic players so far.

I know this is to SVS but I wanted to ask what exactly is she supposed to do if when she can be in the thread and no one else is?

She obv did more than bear buns when she was here hence why JJJ "praised" her. (your words not mine) She did on topic posts as well.
Do you want her to start calling you irl so you can be in the thread for some interactions at 430 am est?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:06 pm I can't even make a good legacy d1. If I live to d2/d3 I will have a lot better reads like I do literally every town game.

Who is my partner? @Epignosis @falcon45ca

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:37 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:17 pm fwiw I am almost certainly misclearing someone and now I don't really think it's motobot either. It's been really hard this game (and probably contributes to the sus on me) to not be paralyzed by the fear of getting it wrong. If my choice goes over and flips town we're not only down one miskill in a 9 player game we're probably down two since I die after and I feel like we just lose then.

Oh honey best advice - don't play to your fear. Just play. You will either be right or wrong - no one is perfect (except JJJ) <<<< that is a joke.

I have been feeling a bit better about you but I cannot clear your slot until I can clear your slot (if that makes sense).

I honestly suspect most people in this game. Somehow the more posts the more suspicious I become.

If that is the case then I would look at only Falc and Moto. Poss SVS and LC. Bc they are the lowest posters.
I was also until my catch up so I also suspect myself

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:31 am OK, I was gonna use this AM to decide where to vote, since my last list was all town/null. But instead I spent my mafia time reading weird stuff that i honestly don't understand about how I should object to people voting for people I don't town read and that my schedule makes me bad.

I have to vote now; I may or may not be back before EOD, and if before, not long before. Last day before a holiday weeked traffic here in megasuburbia gonna be hell, as will work since it's end of month right before a 4 day weekend, I doubt i will have time to sneak onto my phone.

So I'm gonna [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine not becasue i think she's bad (I really don't see bad Thunal making *this* argument, which feels straw graspy to me, like she can't find a suspicion and that was what came to mind, if she's bad, she'd come up with a better one imo) but to save myself. I'm open to changing it IF I get the chance to get back in here but I can't guarantee that.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:53 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:31 am OK, I was gonna use this AM to decide where to vote, since my last list was all town/null. But instead I spent my mafia time reading weird stuff that i honestly don't understand about how I should object to people voting for people I don't town read and that my schedule makes me bad.

I have to vote now; I may or may not be back before EOD, and if before, not long before. Last day before a holiday weeked traffic here in megasuburbia gonna be hell, as will work since it's end of month right before a 4 day weekend, I doubt i will have time to sneak onto my phone.

So I'm gonna [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine not becasue i think she's bad (I really don't see bad Thunal making *this* argument, which feels straw graspy to me, like she can't find a suspicion and that was what came to mind, if she's bad, she'd come up with a better one imo) but to save myself. I'm open to changing it IF I get the chance to get back in here but I can't guarantee that.

What are the odds Thunal & SVS are partners?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:55 pm I doubt it @falcon45ca. Thunal was the first person to actually move against S~V~S with a vote.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:55 pm I doubt it @falcon45ca. Thunal was the first person to actually move against S~V~S with a vote.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:55 pm I doubt it @falcon45ca. Thunal was the first person to actually move against S~V~S with a vote.

I remember Falcon doing this before where he suspects two people who have fought a lot or are voting each other of being partners.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:55 pm I doubt it @falcon45ca. Thunal was the first person to actually move against S~V~S with a vote.

See, that kind of stuff does not sway the needle at all for me

Maf vote each other all the time, I've done it on multiple occasions. Plus a vote is very...um, impermanent

I notice Thunal isn't voting SVS now

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:55 pm I doubt it @falcon45ca. Thunal was the first person to actually move against S~V~S with a vote.

See, that kind of stuff does not sway the needle at all for me




Maf vote each other all the time, I've done it on multiple occasions. Plus a vote is very...um, impermanent





I notice Thunal isn't voting SVS now

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:31 am OK, I was gonna use this AM to decide where to vote, since my last list was all town/null. But instead I spent my mafia time reading weird stuff that i honestly don't understand about how I should object to people voting for people I don't town read and that my schedule makes me bad.

I have to vote now; I may or may not be back before EOD, and if before, not long before. Last day before a holiday weeked traffic here in megasuburbia gonna be hell, as will work since it's end of month right before a 4 day weekend, I doubt i will have time to sneak onto my phone.

So I'm gonna [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine not becasue i think she's bad (I really don't see bad Thunal making *this* argument, which feels straw graspy to me, like she can't find a suspicion and that was what came to mind, if she's bad, she'd come up with a better one imo) but to save myself. I'm open to changing it IF I get the chance to get back in here but I can't guarantee that.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:05 pm One day I shall register for one of JJJ's classes, whilst also playing a game of Mafia w/ him at the same time...

"Excuse me, Doctor Jay...I notice the assigned reading is not on the syllabus?"

Jay grumbles incoherently, the smell of cheap bourbon thick in the air

*nods*

[VOTE: jjj] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:01 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:55 pm I doubt it @falcon45ca. Thunal was the first person to actually move against S~V~S with a vote.

See, that kind of stuff does not sway the needle at all for me

Maf vote each other all the time, I've done it on multiple occasions. Plus a vote is very...um, impermanent

I notice Thunal isn't voting SVS now

That’s fine. Mafia certainly vote for each other.

I just doubt it in this context.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:05 pm One day I shall register for one of JJJ's classes, whilst also playing a game of Mafia w/ him at the same time...




"Excuse me, Doctor Jay...I notice the assigned reading is not on the syllabus?"




Jay grumbles incoherently, the smell of cheap bourbon thick in the air




*nods*





[VOTE: jjj] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:06 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:31 am OK, I was gonna use this AM to decide where to vote, since my last list was all town/null. But instead I spent my mafia time reading weird stuff that i honestly don't understand about how I should object to people voting for people I don't town read and that my schedule makes me bad.

I have to vote now; I may or may not be back before EOD, and if before, not long before. Last day before a holiday weeked traffic here in megasuburbia gonna be hell, as will work since it's end of month right before a 4 day weekend, I doubt i will have time to sneak onto my phone.

So I'm gonna [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine not becasue i think she's bad (I really don't see bad Thunal making *this* argument, which feels straw graspy to me, like she can't find a suspicion and that was what came to mind, if she's bad, she'd come up with a better one imo) but to save myself. I'm open to changing it IF I get the chance to get back in here but I can't guarantee that.

@Roxy Town S~V~S would rather vote who she thinks is bad and go down with her head held high.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:08 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:05 pm One day I shall register for one of JJJ's classes, whilst also playing a game of Mafia w/ him at the same time...

"Excuse me, Doctor Jay...I notice the assigned reading is not on the syllabus?"

Jay grumbles incoherently, the smell of cheap bourbon thick in the air

*nods*

[VOTE: jjj] aubergine

Funny of you to imply any student has ever read a syllabus