[WOLF WIN] Bread Mafia 2024

[Epignosis]

There. Now you remember approximately 8 of them.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Abigail, could you do me a favor and collapse your reads into one post?

That sounds like a lot of work I don't want to do right now cause I'm tired but blah I have been told I need to be more cooperative

I don't even remember who's in this game

Abbi - towniest town to ever town

JJJ - mildly sus performative sue me

LC - not a fan of the turnaround on Falcon kinda feel like they are just following thread flow for their reads their reads list was a lot of words that all basically could boil down to "town cause I don't think they are not town"

Epi - wolfiest wolf to ever woof

Moto - not a big fan of the preemptive "before anyone asks I have no reads" wolf behavior

SVS - too many walls I barely comprehended but townier than not

Roxy - I barely remember Roxy but I town read something not gonna go back and figure out what

Thunal - actually just Towny

Falcon - probably just Towny

Is that everyone

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Thank you, Abigail. I’ll say more later.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The day ends in 15.5 hours, most of which will be spent asleep and at work. Let’s try to make the most of what limited time we have before this day resolves.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm trying to visualize the reads that have been presented and identify patterns if any exist. These are loose estimations by me when it comes to color, since some of you did not use colors. Feel free to correct and/or complain if you feel like it.

Abigail is easily the most counter-culture here, and I'd say that's on-brand. It's not alignment-indicative. Under the present state of affairs, if we were to have motobot flip town, for example (or S~V~S; either would suggest immediate holes in the brewing "consensus"), I'd give more space to her to pursue these reads.

Roxy and falcon should probably be off-limits today unless someone not featured with reads up there has very strong feelings to the contrary.

motobot is the only negative consensus, which is pretty generic. I don't care. I'd vote him out on Day 1.

I'll be interested to see how Roxy, S~V~S, and motobot feel when they are able to share.

[S~V~S]

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

I think I've talked myself into voting here. I've been a wagon the whole game somehow and I think SVS might be watching it happen when I think she's objected to it in the past even when she didn't townread me. Her response to my question was decent but I haven't gotten any town pings from her other solving posts.

This is a lot to walk into.

When did I object when I didn't townread you? I recall 2 games where I defended you, one where I became convinced you were town, the one where the baddie switched their vote iirc, it made me totally change my mind on you. I didn't start defending you until I changed my mind. I came in there intending to vote you until I saw what I saw. No defending there while I thought you were bad, only after I changed my mind. And I aggressively defended you in another game in which you turned out bad. So yeah, I'm wary of you. Especially after being bad with you a few times, I know what you can do, and you do it better than maybe anyone.

In THIS game, you were acting unlike how I have seen you in the past, either affiliation, so I null read you. Not sure how I got into Jays post about things you needed to address.

I am really very honestly surprised that you think I'd defend you if I wasn't sure you're not bad. If anything this statement ironically is something I can't imagine you saying if bad; you would make up something better than that if you were bad. No pockets here, but yeah.

[S~V~S]

Epignosis - Most believable solving process so far

falcon45ca - Seems on brand for his town norms
Princess Abigail - Has initial reads that strike me as ordinary for her
Long Con - Willing to get his hands a bit dirty in the early goings

Thunal33 - Difficult to pair with the majority of this small roster in viable mafia team theories
Roxy - Critical of Thunal in a way that I believed

S~V~S - Posts are tonally okay, but they inspire little feeling and seem a bit cautious
motobot - No truly readable content to this point

No particular order within tiers. If I had to devise a "POE pool", it'd be the bottom four. I don't think that means anything right now. The thread is too shallow.

Okay Jay's list looks very similar to mine right now so if he's mafia I'd be very off base and I have enough ego to not think I am.

But you're in his POE?

[S~V~S]

I would rather she spend her interacting time doing more than bread puns, instead of dumping thoughts when no one's around. But yeah, saying things is the only way.

Um, I'm fairly sure everyone but Jay has been bread bunning. And "dumping thoughts when no ones around"?? Wow. Sorry I get up at 4:30 for work.

Do you think this take on you is scummy for Long Con?

No, not scummy, but maybe unfair. It surprised me that he said that, but I think it sounds pissy rather than scummy if that makes sense.

I didn't mean for it to be pissy. Contextually, it's a response to JJJ praising you because saying things is the way to move the game forward. I was just saying it's better to move the game forward when multiple people are in the thread, some real-time interaction, and you used that time exclusively for bread puns. I know there was plenty of other players doing fluff, but I was in a conversation about you...

Like with you, I need to see more on topic with LC to form an opinion. I used to always think he was bad, so I need to focus on what he says rather than how he says it like I do with most people.

...and, I don't think I am one of those players. I fluffed a couple of posts right when I arrived, but most of my posts have been on-topic. I think I'm one of the least off-topic players so far.

Yeah but this is when I'm here? WTF? This is a very weird thing to put to me. Like here I am now, it's 5 am, I'll only be here 20 more minutes then I won't be until nearly 12 hours from now. i should be back right around EOD. And you need to reread that, I didn't use the time to exclusively make bread puns.

And by on topic, I meant reads and discussion; at that time I didn't think you had.

[S~V~S]

@Long Con like all these posts I'm responding to happened while I was in bed. I go to bed at 9 since I have to get up at 4:30.

[S~V~S]

SVS - My real ping with her is that I don't think she'd be treating me or my wagon this way. She just saw me town it up and get Sloonei in my last game, she's said she has to try to actively find me as town to read me, and here she's just not doing that? I'd expect some comment about my voters or at least thinking it's unusual that I'm a 2 vote wagon. I feel like she doesn't care if I go over and I remember her caring that I was wagoned because she thinks highly of my town play in a past game even when she didn't townread me.

Right. And THAT'S NOT WHAT HAS BEN HAPPENING HERE. You are calling up the last game like it's a valid comparison, and it isn't. You think I'm bad becasue I'm not defending you when I've seen you town it up in the past, even if you weren't doing it here? And tbh, you still aren't except as it applies to me, lol.

I don't think it's unusual that anyone has a two vote wagon when they haven't been playing to their own exceptionally high standard.

I find my wagon more of an issue cause it's coming from someone who thinks I should be defending them when I had a null read on them, and someone who objects to the hours I keep.

As for Jay, he thinks I belong in the POE, and I guess he's right.

[S~V~S]

OK, I was gonna use this AM to decide where to vote, since my last list was all town/null. But instead I spent my mafia time reading weird stuff that i honestly don't understand about how I should object to people voting for people I don't town read and that my schedule makes me bad.

I have to vote now; I may or may not be back before EOD, and if before, not long before. Last day before a holiday weeked traffic here in megasuburbia gonna be hell, as will work since it's end of month right before a 4 day weekend, I doubt i will have time to sneak onto my phone.

So I'm gonna [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine not becasue i think she's bad (I really don't see bad Thunal making *this* argument, which feels straw graspy to me, like she can't find a suspicion and that was what came to mind, if she's bad, she'd come up with a better one imo) but to save myself. I'm open to changing it IF I get the chance to get back in here but I can't guarantee that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@S~V~S, if you town read Thunal, who do you not town read?

I don’t have a clear impression of where you stand on most players.

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

I think I've talked myself into voting here. I've been a wagon the whole game somehow and I think SVS might be watching it happen when I think she's objected to it in the past even when she didn't townread me. Her response to my question was decent but I haven't gotten any town pings from her other solving posts.

This is a lot to walk into.

When did I object when I didn't townread you? I recall 2 games where I defended you, one where I became convinced you were town, the one where the baddie switched their vote iirc, it made me totally change my mind on you. I didn't start defending you until I changed my mind. I came in there intending to vote you until I saw what I saw. No defending there while I thought you were bad, only after I changed my mind. And I aggressively defended you in another game in which you turned out bad. So yeah, I'm wary of you. Especially after being bad with you a few times, I know what you can do, and you do it better than maybe anyone.

In THIS game, you were acting unlike how I have seen you in the past, either affiliation, so I null read you. Not sure how I got into Jays post about things you needed to address.

I am really very honestly surprised that you think I'd defend you if I wasn't sure you're not bad. If anything this statement ironically is something I can't imagine you saying if bad; you would make up something better than that if you were bad. No pockets here, but yeah.

I found the game and it's Sesame Street, where I was wagoned d1 as town and you didn't want to vote me partly because you thought I'd be a loss to town and you thought my vote with Belzy was weird. However, I think you townread me more than you let on that game because your first post the next day was "I still think Thunal is town".

That's not really what I'm saying. I don't necessarily think you'd defend me, I think you'd be like "what is going on?" and think about why people are voting me d1 or try to find me.

[Thunal33]

SVS - My real ping with her is that I don't think she'd be treating me or my wagon this way. She just saw me town it up and get Sloonei in my last game, she's said she has to try to actively find me as town to read me, and here she's just not doing that? I'd expect some comment about my voters or at least thinking it's unusual that I'm a 2 vote wagon. I feel like she doesn't care if I go over and I remember her caring that I was wagoned because she thinks highly of my town play in a past game even when she didn't townread me.

Right. And THAT'S NOT WHAT HAS BEN HAPPENING HERE. You are calling up the last game like it's a valid comparison, and it isn't. You think I'm bad becasue I'm not defending you when I've seen you town it up in the past, even if you weren't doing it here? And tbh, you still aren't except as it applies to me, lol.

I don't think it's unusual that anyone has a two vote wagon when they haven't been playing to their own exceptionally high standard.

I find my wagon more of an issue cause it's coming from someone who thinks I should be defending them when I had a null read on them, and someone who objects to the hours I keep.

As for Jay, he thinks I belong in the POE, and I guess he's right.

Again I'm not necessarily saying you'd jump to my defense, just that there would be some process about me or my voters instead of keeping me as null when I'm the only wagon.

I wouldn't call having fun on the first half of day 1 "not playing to my own exceptionally high standard".

[Thunal33]

Next town game I want to do nothing but fluff to show people that I don't have to be serious and solving all the time. I won't but I want to.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Next town game I want to do nothing but fluff to show people that I don't have to be serious and solving all the time. I won't but I want to.

I’m afraid that’s a reputation that never goes away no matter what you do.

[Thunal33]

Isn't mafia SVS more locked in to a push by now? I was going to continue my tunnel but I remember her hunting for pushes and being eager to shade people as mafia. Her responses feel unlike her bad self especially her bad self when she's being wagoned. I don't know who else it would be but I don't want to be locked in to her just because I can't name two mafia.

[Thunal33]

Next town game I want to do nothing but fluff to show people that I don't have to be serious and solving all the time. I won't but I want to.

I’m afraid that’s a reputation that never goes away no matter what you do.

Don't think I could resist solving anyway lol.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Isn't mafia SVS more locked in to a push by now? I was going to continue my tunnel but I remember her hunting for pushes and being eager to shade people as mafia. Her responses feel unlike her bad self especially her bad self when she's being wagoned. I don't know who else it would be but I don't want to be locked in to her just because I can't name two mafia.

Maybe. I’m not sure that her time constraints have allowed for that either way.

I’d vote motobot too.

[Thunal33]

Isn't mafia SVS more locked in to a push by now? I was going to continue my tunnel but I remember her hunting for pushes and being eager to shade people as mafia. Her responses feel unlike her bad self especially her bad self when she's being wagoned. I don't know who else it would be but I don't want to be locked in to her just because I can't name two mafia.

Maybe. I’m not sure that her time constraints have allowed for that either way.

I’d vote motobot too.

I don't like that SVS has been focused on how bad the reasons are for voting her instead of why she's town, but if she's town then it could be because she doesn't have a lot to defend herself on as town either. I feel unsure enough that I'd rather vote moto at this moment. Boring and shrug, sure, but I don't think SVS is more likely a hit. I remember her mafia play as more exaggerated if that makes sense. I also feel like she takes the jump to actually suspecting me instead of townreading me and voting me anyway.

[VOTE: motobot] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My primary concern about S~V~S is what appears to be a stagnant slate of reads.

She called falcon and I town early, and that hasn't developed since so I suppose it holds. Now she has at least leaned in the town direction for Thunal (while voting). She has interacted a lot with Long Con, but I don't know how she reads him. She hasn't given a take on Epignosis or Roxy, both of whom she knows well as players.

So her primary objective right now is to survive rather than to solve. That can be town too, but it's plainly valid as a mafia agenda.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I played with motobot in Don't Starve Mafia (as his mafia teammate). He was quiet and unengaged with solving.

I played with motobot in Kagemusha Mafia (both town). He was still quiet, but I was able to find him with good confidence before Day 1 ended. That was primarily a product of his responses to early pressure. He has not responded to early pressure here. Perhaps he "anticipated" it when posting that he had no reads.

I don't have any compelling case to provide for motobot. It's an absence of town. If I vote for him, that will be the extent of it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also really digging being in PoE with the person I was voting

I especially like Epi and the

"I have no idea why Abbi is voting moto kill her

***literally 2 posts later***

Moto can die"

I think this post is kind of bogus. It doesn't have to be mafia bogus necessarily, but it's pointing to a contradiction that doesn't exist.

"I don't know why Abigail has placed the vote that she has placed" is not inconsistent with "I would vote for the player that Abigail voted for".

[Thunal33]

My primary concern about S~V~S is what appears to be a stagnant slate of reads.

She called falcon and I town early, and that hasn't developed since so I suppose it holds. Now she has at least leaned in the town direction for Thunal (while voting). She has interacted a lot with Long Con, but I don't know how she reads him. She hasn't given a take on Epignosis or Roxy, both of whom she knows well as players.

So her primary objective right now is to survive rather than to solve. That can be town too, but it's plainly valid as a mafia agenda.

Yeah it definitely is a stagnant state, but it's hard to say whether that's because of not having a lot of time to think about the game. I'm a little sus of how she hasn't given any actual take on Long Con despite reacting strongly to his posts.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Like with you, I need to see more on topic with LC to form an opinion. I used to always think he was bad, so I need to focus on what he says rather than how he says it like I do with most people.

I need this to become a read. Long Con is now highly on-topic.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Another game that feels mostly like wild guessing. Joy.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: motobot] aubergine

[Roxy]

Another game that feels mostly like wild guessing. Joy.

Let me remind you it is only *Day 1*.

Calm down there cowboy.



Catching up now.....

[Roxy]

Before anyone asks, I don't have a read on anyone so far. As far as I know anyone could be mafia.

Including you?

[Roxy]

I would rather she spend her interacting time doing more than bread puns, instead of dumping thoughts when no one's around. But yeah, saying things is the only way.

Um, I'm fairly sure everyone but Jay has been bread bunning. And "dumping thoughts when no ones around"?? Wow. Sorry I get up at 4:30 for work.

I was waiting for a response from you to LC1 about his post. We have all been playing so long together that you would *think* that he knows you post very early in the AM est and evenings most times.
You have been "saying things" besides pun'ing so I did not understand the point of this post except to give you some shade from the hot day we had here on the East Coast.

Ping 1 for LC1 for me.

[Roxy]

@Thunal33

- Epignosis has voted for you with some implication of suspicion about your handling of him and me.
- S~V~S has said you're a null read, more "casual" than usual, not in an alignment-indicative sense.
- Roxy has suggested your explanation in response to Epignosis was like dancing the cha-cha-cha.
- Long Con suggested some kind of suspicion of his own, clarified effectively by Roxy's description.
- I have suggested that your hunting engagement has been a bit muted.

For such a short thread, this is a considerably negative state of affairs for you (even if not everyone above was concretely negative, e.g., S~V~S). What do you make of that situation, and what do you make of the people mentioned in this post?

I am town and quite concerned because I know people in the Syndicate like to stick to their votes and suspicions and not switch last minute. Killing me d1 is a really good way to lose the game.

However, I was gone all day, didn't realize how much I was being voted/PoEd until an hour ago, and I'm going to catch up and collect my thoughts in my notes first instead of responding to every engagement on me.

I disagree a bit with your thought about people on TS not vote switching at EoD. *We* do it but tbh *I* will never do it just bc someone says lets vote XXX and give zero reasons for the switch. Others not so much.

Honestly if someone made some sort of sense at EoD I would follow them if I agreed with them. I have done it but not very often.

[Roxy]

Roxy hit the Epi=Town conclusion before you did. Argued with you when you were poking at him. What do you think of her? Looks like she's after Thunal... I don't know if Thunal's flippantness is relaxed Towny or what, but I don't feel Wolfness from it at least.

How was I ever being flippant? I was fluff posting for fun like anyone else and poked at a very low confidence thought.

Not wanting LC1 to put words in my post that were not there I want to clarify. I said it felt way off and cha cha cha'ing but I was not after you per se just looking the thread over to see what I could feel. It's only D 1 and I rarely go after anyone D 1. I usually vote off wagon and vote to my own feelings.

Is is suspicious? Yes.
Is it baddie? Idk - yet.

there clarified.

[Roxy]

I was going to say why Roxy's response to Jay correcting that townish vibe doesn't mean towny looked towny for her but I second guessed it mid writeup. I think it's probably a good look for her that she jumped to correct it, but it's a bit too agreeable for me to give her real town points for it.

Her calling out that exact post of mine and saying it was slick wording was just a spot-on ping for how I remember she reads me so I townread her. I know she's scumread me for being too agreeable and townreads when I keep the pressure on and push anti-consensus reads.

I never look for "towny points" from any player. I just dgaf what people think but I also do not want people assuming what I am feeling when I can clarify. And I do hope to help people to read me better though I try to play the same way no matter my alignment.

[Roxy]

Popping in during a slow shift.

I have played with Roxy for over a decade. She still tricks me. At this juncture, from what I have read, I don't think Roxy is mafia.

I'd be reluctant to vote JJJ.

To be honest, I'm a little surprised you haven't given me positive points for a few things on d1. One being that I was bold enough to enter with an appeal to townread you and then double down on it, another being that I was more relaxed than I would have been as scum, and another being that I interacted with you more than anyone else early by my own choice.

Why should JJJ view anyone positively for any of that, especially this early?

ewwww stop it right now.

Last time you came out and straight up called me town you were bad. So now I have that in the back of my head.
You always trick me so..........

[Roxy]

No take on S~V~S or Long Con.

now this is odd to me. you can read me but not them?

SVS feels town to me
LC1 I am fence sitting as per normal. Same for you.

[Roxy]

Tbh, I am a little sus of SVS because she's made no comment on my wagon. When I have 2 votes and nobody else has any, I'd expect SVS to want to give me more time like she did last time we were t/t because she thought I'd be an asset to town (I forget the game). Wanting to see more from me is understandable, but I feel like she'd want to look into who's voting me and why.

I didn't comment on it either. It was only 2 votes. Why didn't you look into who is voting you and why? Why must SVS do it?

[Long Con]

Like with you, I need to see more on topic with LC to form an opinion. I used to always think he was bad, so I need to focus on what he says rather than how he says it like I do with most people.

I need this to become a read. Long Con is now highly on-topic.

I was on topic before she said that as well.

[Roxy]

Btw I'm not actually pushing JJJ here because I think he'll become more readable with time or just get killed n1. If I vote him d1 and he dies and flips town we're losing someone who probably just gets killed early by mafia and/or puts in more effort than anyone else to solve the game. So I'm not going to vote him d1 unless I'm confident which I'm not.

Funny I feel this way about SVS. But it would not stop me from pushing her if I was suspicious. Nobody is asking you to vote for JJJ but can you give more inre: your suspicion/eyebrow arch about JJJ.

[Roxy]

I wouldn't vote falcon today. In that sense he can be a "town read". However, that is not based on nearly enough meaningful anything that I am comfortable trying to build a POE pool on that basis.

The game has been highly null to my eyes so far with few exceptions.

Maybe Abigail calling me performative again is a good thing. She absolutely always does so. I'm not sure if she'd have the presence of mind to do so as mafia. I cannot say that with any confidence.

I do?

Yes, or some variation of that. Me getting RA RA to make threads move makes you go EEK every game.

I may admittedly be mixing you up with 0Ix in at least one occasion, but I am fairly sure it's happened more than once.

tap, tap, tap dancing a bit here Jay. So what if PA thinks you are performative. You do like center stage in games - that's normal for JJJ.
I also do not remember her calling you out in all games you have played together. Did you track that as a statistic? Now I am curious.

[Roxy]

Maybe a good way for us to take the game by the horns and force it to behave in a way that is solvable is to coax a full reads list out of everyone who is willing to provide one.

Even if it isn't fully developed or confident (mine certainly isn't), it's a starting point.

Please do me that favor, friends. I would appreciate it. I don't need explanations unless you want to provide them. Just some kind of ordering is good.

Kinda makes me NOT want to do one as I get suspected every time I do.

JJJ
JJJ
JJJ
JJJ
JJJ
JJJ
JJJ
JJJ
JJJ

[Roxy]

Roxy hit the Epi=Town conclusion before you did. Argued with you when you were poking at him. What do you think of her? Looks like she's after Thunal... I don't know if Thunal's flippantness is relaxed Towny or what, but I don't feel Wolfness from it at least.

Roxy calling Epi's sleep vote "towny" was dubious, but I think she looked authentic in her comments about Thunal. The arrow points up, albeit with little real confidence.

Thunal may be the closest I get to a "suspect" right now. That's really stretching the word. But she hasn't engaged the solving process much beyond comments about Epignosis that may no longer be relevant. "I need more"

Saying I called his "sleep" vote town is what is dubious.

You said-

Your willingness to arrive, tell a story, and place a facetious vote for Sleep without interacting with the existing material left me wanting.

Then I said-

It left me a town-ish vibe....

So not just the vote - arrive + story + vote for sleep = Town-ish vibe----Not Towny. Just wanted to clarify so maybe in the future you'll be able to read me better.
Glad you thought it authentic (meaning what exactly?) as I was giving as I go vibe/tone feels.

I am iffy on this one. While I can appreciate Roxy's desire to clarify, I have some gentle concerns.

The cyan bits seem to first cast shade upon me and then placate me, and it's awkward.

Then emphasizing the difference between "towny" and "town-ish vibe" is a bit much.

I was not shading you nor placating you tbs. I just clarified in hope that it would help you to read me better.
But damn you sure know how to make sure I never help you try to understand my play again.
You are a bit "much".

[JaggedJimmyJay]

tap, tap, tap dancing a bit here Jay. So what if PA thinks you are performative. You do like center stage in games - that's normal for JJJ.
I also do not remember her calling you out in all games you have played together. Did you track that as a statistic? Now I am curious.

I'm not going to go digging around a hundred games, but here's an example from Ted Lasso Mafia:

Some setup notes to be aware of moving forward:

The numbers ratio established in the OP is 12 vs. 4. This is a difficult but not unmanageable arrangement for town, particularly without the benefit of public role reveals.

If the game proceeds at a normal pace (one day elimination and one night kill per cycle), town only gets three mistakes before they reach an endgame phase. Town also boasts one kill (through the Dani Rojas role), but that kill alone would not change this number. It's still three mistakes maximum, and the mafia have two manners of kill protection available to them anyway.

The only way that number changes is with multiple night kill protections and/or a protection plus a kill (I think that works out).

With that in mind, we should just operate under the assumption at present that we are only allowed to make three mistakes. That is not very many. So we are going to have to play hard as a town team to overcome that. It can be done, but it will require concerted desire from everyone to make it so. So let's do that. The best weapon town possesses in a game like this is its ability to talk during the day phase, and so talk we must. Inactivity is more damaging in this setup than it would be in other setups. Mafia already boast a considerable voting block, and we must avoid helping them by unnecessarily splitting our votes or by leaving our votes off the board. These things routinely lose games, and they are unforced errors. We can avoid them if we are conscious of it and communicate effectively.

"Stop telling me how to play, Jay."

I appreciate everyone's right to do their thing, and I hope that's exactly what you do. Play however you like! I just want to emphasize that we begin this game in a difficult position, and that will not change for the better unless we cooperate.

LAMIST:p

("LAMIST" stands for "look at me I'm so town", which is just another way of calling someone performative)

[Thunal33]

Tbh, I am a little sus of SVS because she's made no comment on my wagon. When I have 2 votes and nobody else has any, I'd expect SVS to want to give me more time like she did last time we were t/t because she thought I'd be an asset to town (I forget the game). Wanting to see more from me is understandable, but I feel like she'd want to look into who's voting me and why.

I didn't comment on it either. It was only 2 votes. Why didn't you look into who is voting you and why? Why must SVS do it?

I did and I felt like SVS was sitting back and watching which bothered me. I think both my actual voters at the time were town and mafia was more likely watching it happen.

[Thunal33]

@JaggedJimmyJay is it sane of me to tinfoil Epi? Probably not but I am anyway because I don't think I'd be his biggest suspect after all my interaction with him yesterday. His read on me feels too stagnant.

[Roxy]

I would rather she spend her interacting time doing more than bread puns, instead of dumping thoughts when no one's around. But yeah, saying things is the only way.

Um, I'm fairly sure everyone but Jay has been bread bunning. And "dumping thoughts when no ones around"?? Wow. Sorry I get up at 4:30 for work.

Do you think this take on you is scummy for Long Con?

No, not scummy, but maybe unfair. It surprised me that he said that, but I think it sounds pissy rather than scummy if that makes sense.

I didn't mean for it to be pissy. Contextually, it's a response to JJJ praising you because saying things is the way to move the game forward. I was just saying it's better to move the game forward when multiple people are in the thread, some real-time interaction, and you used that time exclusively for bread puns. I know there was plenty of other players doing fluff, but I was in a conversation about you...

Like with you, I need to see more on topic with LC to form an opinion. I used to always think he was bad, so I need to focus on what he says rather than how he says it like I do with most people.

...and, I don't think I am one of those players. I fluffed a couple of posts right when I arrived, but most of my posts have been on-topic. I think I'm one of the least off-topic players so far.

I know this is to SVS but I wanted to ask what exactly is she supposed to do if when she can be in the thread and no one else is?

She obv did more than bear buns when she was here hence why JJJ "praised" her. (your words not mine) She did on topic posts as well.
Do you want her to start calling you irl so you can be in the thread for some interactions at 430 am est?

[Roxy]

To be clear I'm going to tryhard at some point the question is just whether I should do it now even though I'm exhausted because Epi's here and I think he's town so I want to get his vote off me.

I'll at least make a read list.

Epi only has one vote and would be nice to see some interaction betwixt the two of you.
Bummer!
Exhausted is a bit of a stretch of the imagination. For me at least.

[Roxy]

Oh wait I forgot Abi lol. She's in townleans because her calling JJJ PoE and being very off the cuff is what I associate with town her but she hasn't done any concrete town pings.

yah I also noticed that she has not given her town points away like normal instead she is looking for baddies. Is this a change of style or alignment? I am not sure.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay is it sane of me to tinfoil Epi? Probably not but I am anyway because I don't think I'd be his biggest suspect after all my interaction with him yesterday. His read on me feels too stagnant.

I would call that a valid criticism of Epignosis. He's a town read in a thread environment where the bar is pretty low. Anyone here can be mafia.

[Roxy]

^ actual footage of Epi right now

Me? Oh no. I'm close to this:

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think my town read of Roxy has strengthened.