The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 10:35 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 10:29 pm If you wanna cooperate with a guy who's done nothing but give you shit all game, one of these for everyone within the larger PoE pool would be nice.

I don't know what you mean by this. You giving me shit all game or the reverse?

Scotty - interrogative, incredulous, stubborn
Dyslexicon - silly, active, multi-quotes
Quin - independent, paranoid, contrarian

me. i'm not oblivious to the fact i haven't done much.

also, thanks. i want to do a rough meta check, even if you think it has little value.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 10:40 pm also, thanks. i want to do a rough meta check, even if you think it has little value.

By all means, do it.

Not right now, but definitely at some point today (like actually today, no EoD shit). Hold me to it.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 10:00 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 9:59 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 9:54 pm Because if I'm bad I could kill her to stop her from checking and exposing me. That motivation doesn't exist if she's already done that.

The majority of people remaining who would be probable checks are non-dentists.

I am dumb and don't know how this relates.

Lol because you're bad and it doesn't occur to you that most of the remaining townies are just christians anywsy

Quin's posts since the night post have just made me even more sure about him. I hold to the promise that I will look at and consider Scotty but Quin has done nothing to reduce my suspicion of him.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 11:36 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 10:00 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 9:59 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 9:54 pm Because if I'm bad I could kill her to stop her from checking and exposing me. That motivation doesn't exist if she's already done that.

The majority of people remaining who would be probable checks are non-dentists.

I am dumb and don't know how this relates.

Lol because you're bad and it doesn't occur to you that most of the remaining townies are just christians anywsy

lol

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 9:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 9:39 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 9:36 pm am I allowed to talk about why that kill makes me look good or would that be too up myself?

If you think that's the case, then talk about it.

I've already been checked as non-dentist and my teammate Colin is confirmed. It's too late to kill her to hide that. But you'll tell me I could be motivated to stop her from confirming two dentists, which I realised isn't wrong, but I really want you to ignore that bit.

This is a very good point.

However, lapluie could potentially confirm a player as town this day phase if she's alive. Additionally, it was far too late for anyone to counter-claim her, so she was essentially a confirmed civilian power role. She's the obvious kill choice for anyone as mafia, no ifs, ands, or buts.

Also Quin, if you're civilian, you have no reason to wait until Day 5 to mention this, this is something you bring up Night 4 to protect lapluie if you can.

And you brought this up immediately after Day 5 started, which is why it's obvious to me that you waited for the new day to put this idea forth.

eggplant

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:34 am Also Quin, if you're civilian, you have no reason to wait until Day 5 to mention this, this is something you bring up Night 4 to protect lapluie if you can.

How would saying that protect lapluie at all?

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:36 am And you brought this up immediately after Day 5 started, which is why it's obvious to me that you waited for the new day to put this idea forth.

Yes, it is obvious that I'd wait until a person died before explaining why that person's death makes me look good. Did you expect me to say "When lapluie dies it'll make me look really good"?

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:39 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:34 am Also Quin, if you're civilian, you have no reason to wait until Day 5 to mention this, this is something you bring up Night 4 to protect lapluie if you can.

How would saying that protect lapluie at all?

It would have been worth a shot imo.

I guess I find it hard to believe that if you're a civilian, this is a revelation that came to you not but 6 minutes after lapluie's death, which is what it looked like.

But I'm also certain you're Colin's partner anyway, so maybe I'd think that way of any gambit you'd enter Day 5 with.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:41 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:36 am And you brought this up immediately after Day 5 started, which is why it's obvious to me that you waited for the new day to put this idea forth.

Yes, it is obvious that I'd wait until a person died before explaining why that person's death makes me look good. Did you expect me to say "When lapluie dies it'll make me look really good"?

I think the notion being suggested here is that if this notion exists in your head, you have the opportunity during Night 4 to say "they can't even kill lapluie without making me look better", potentially protecting her from a kill.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:45 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:39 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:34 am Also Quin, if you're civilian, you have no reason to wait until Day 5 to mention this, this is something you bring up Night 4 to protect lapluie if you can.

How would saying that protect lapluie at all?

It would have been worth a shot imo.

I guess I find it hard to believe that if you're a civilian, this is a revelation that came to you not but 6 minutes after lapluie's death, which is what it looked like.

But in what way, probability aside, would my post have deterred mafia from killing lapluie had I made it before now? The post literally provides a reason that would increase her chances of being killed in it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:48 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:41 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:36 am And you brought this up immediately after Day 5 started, which is why it's obvious to me that you waited for the new day to put this idea forth.

Yes, it is obvious that I'd wait until a person died before explaining why that person's death makes me look good. Did you expect me to say "When lapluie dies it'll make me look really good"?

I think the notion being suggested here is that if this notion exists in your head, you have the opportunity during Night 4 to say "they can't even kill lapluie without making me look better", potentially protecting her from a kill.

I haven't used a tactic like that (using words to manipulate mafia kills) once in my entire mafia career. It also didn't exist in my head until the kill happened.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:51 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:48 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:41 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:36 am And you brought this up immediately after Day 5 started, which is why it's obvious to me that you waited for the new day to put this idea forth.

Yes, it is obvious that I'd wait until a person died before explaining why that person's death makes me look good. Did you expect me to say "When lapluie dies it'll make me look really good"?

I think the notion being suggested here is that if this notion exists in your head, you have the opportunity during Night 4 to say "they can't even kill lapluie without making me look better", potentially protecting her from a kill.

I haven't used a tactic like that (using words to manipulate mafia kills) once in my entire mafia career. It also didn't exist in my head until the kill happened.

I don't hold it against you that you didn't say it.

Anyway, this is all defense and no hunting. If it's not you, then you need to find the one.

I guess from my perspective, lapluie was 100% going to get killed last night, and there's not possible increase from that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:53 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:51 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:48 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:41 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:36 am And you brought this up immediately after Day 5 started, which is why it's obvious to me that you waited for the new day to put this idea forth.

Yes, it is obvious that I'd wait until a person died before explaining why that person's death makes me look good. Did you expect me to say "When lapluie dies it'll make me look really good"?

I think the notion being suggested here is that if this notion exists in your head, you have the opportunity during Night 4 to say "they can't even kill lapluie without making me look better", potentially protecting her from a kill.

I haven't used a tactic like that (using words to manipulate mafia kills) once in my entire mafia career. It also didn't exist in my head until the kill happened.

I don't hold it against you that you didn't say it.

Anyway, this is all defense and no hunting. If it's not you, then you need to find the one.

I will, probably within the few hours. I'm extremely time poor at the moment, as you could tell if you read my incessant whining in the discord. Things that take effort here are low in a long list of priorities.

So...

I've pretty much decided that I'm never lycnhing Jimmey or Nut. Catching up.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:39 am I've pretty much decided that I'm never lycnhing Jimmey or Nut. Catching up.

Why not nutella?

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:58 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:53 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:51 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:48 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:41 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:36 am And you brought this up immediately after Day 5 started, which is why it's obvious to me that you waited for the new day to put this idea forth.

Yes, it is obvious that I'd wait until a person died before explaining why that person's death makes me look good. Did you expect me to say "When lapluie dies it'll make me look really good"?

I think the notion being suggested here is that if this notion exists in your head, you have the opportunity during Night 4 to say "they can't even kill lapluie without making me look better", potentially protecting her from a kill.

I haven't used a tactic like that (using words to manipulate mafia kills) once in my entire mafia career. It also didn't exist in my head until the kill happened.

I don't hold it against you that you didn't say it.

Anyway, this is all defense and no hunting. If it's not you, then you need to find the one.

I will, probably within the few hours. I'm extremely time poor at the moment, as you could tell if you read my incessant whining in the discord. Things that take effort here are low in a long list of priorities.

This'll happen first thing in the morning along with full ISO's Dizzy, Epi, 3J, nutella and Scotty. I just hit the sweet spot between my work projects where I can pull myself away for a bit and don't have a drunk aunt to escort back and forth from her place. But it's also 10pm and I'm no less sick.

Considering self-voting as a self motivator but dat WIFOM too stronk

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 4:37 pm Ima look at nutella next. right now, I’m quite unsure in a battle with Quin and dys. I’m having trouble with quin’s self vote and would like other opinions on whether or not he would do that as bad. Is the gamble worth it?

Yeah, you need to talk more about what makes you so unsure on me.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 9:47 pmI've already been checked as non-dentist and my teammate Colin is confirmed. It's too late to kill her to hide that. But you'll tell me I could be motivated to stop her from confirming two dentists, which I realised isn't wrong, but I really want you to ignore that bit.

That is completely irrelevant. Lapluie is the only kill that makes sense. Marmot's power is completely superfluous at this point. Whereas Lapluie did have the power to confirm the one dentist that is left if she was lucky with her targeting. That player must be in agony now not being able to clear themselves anymore.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:40 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:39 am I've pretty much decided that I'm never lycnhing Jimmey or Nut. Catching up.

Why not nutella?

I'll look into it, I guess.

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I want to believe it's just Quin and that's it.

Can Scotty or someone please provide me with some games where he's played as scum?

[mention]Nutella[/mention], You say my state mirrors yours around end of day 4. But I don't remember you being around in thread so much really? (Haven't gone back to look though) Any reason for this?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:26 am Can Scotty or someone please provide me with some games where he's played as scum?

The sample appears to be limited. These are the Syndicate games he has won as a mafioso:

Home Alone

The Office

Finding games he didn't win will be more difficult, but I'll try.

[mention]Scotty[/mention], you haven't suspected me at all during this game other than for one brief vote following MP's case. Explain this, as it is a stark contrast to Ass Class.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:41 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:26 am Can Scotty or someone please provide me with some games where he's played as scum?

The sample appears to be limited. These are the Syndicate games he has won as a mafioso:

Home Alone

The Office

Finding games he didn't win will be more difficult, but I'll try.

He's asking about me, I think.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:46 am He's asking about me, I think.

If that's the case:

Fire Emblem

Mad Max

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:41 am The sample appears to be limited. These are the Syndicate games he has won as a mafioso:

Home Alone

The Office

Finding games he didn't win will be more difficult, but I'll try.

More Scotty:

RED vs. BLUE

Triskaidekaphobia

Hell with it, let's do the other two:

Dizzy mafia in Currents

nutella mafia in Fire Emblem

nutella mafia in Battlestar Galactica

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:01 am Hell with it, let's do the other two:

Dizzy mafia in Currents

nutella mafia in Fire Emblem

nutella mafia in Battlestar Galactica

I was also mafia in Battlestar btw.

I will encourage people to read through all of Scotty's ISO with all the knowledge we now have. I'm doing it now. Will have to post the ISO in several parts, cause I'm quoting every other post it seems.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:46 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:41 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:26 am Can Scotty or someone please provide me with some games where he's played as scum?

The sample appears to be limited. These are the Syndicate games he has won as a mafioso:

Home Alone

The Office

Finding games he didn't win will be more difficult, but I'll try.

He's asking about me, I think.

I was asking about Scotty. I think I have played with you as scum in my first game here (I forget the name)? Also you were in FE cause I already skimmed that for other reasons.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:48 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:46 am He's asking about me, I think.

If that's the case:

Fire Emblem

Mad Max

Also Zodiac mafia and Monkey Island. Technically indy in the latter but it was essentially a scum team pretending to be something else.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:10 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:46 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:41 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:26 am Can Scotty or someone please provide me with some games where he's played as scum?

The sample appears to be limited. These are the Syndicate games he has won as a mafioso:

Home Alone

The Office

Finding games he didn't win will be more difficult, but I'll try.

He's asking about me, I think.

I was asking about Scotty. I think I have played with you as scum in my first game here (I forget the name)? Also you were in FE cause I already skimmed that for other reasons.

Phenon. The game where even though I wasn't bad, I still qualified for best baddie.

Catching up

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 7:29 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 7:23 pm I’m still thinking but currently rank my proposed lynch tomorrow as
Nutella
Dys
Quin

In that order. Convince me otherwise.

I think the independent cases for nutella and for Dizzy are comparable with regard to their interactions with Colin. Where I think they separate is their appearance at face value, particularly in a pressure scenario. I think Dizzy looked more authentic in the Day 4 madness for example, and that nutella was following the motions that Dizzy and I were making more than creating motions of her own.

Dys was all in on Colin being warm and fuzzy, and that’s what I was extrapolating in her iso.

But yes, after review, I found nutella following the pack more often than not- she wasn’t making waves and yet still reactive to switching reads back and forth only so much as not to draw too much attention.

So I’m here thinking: would colin’s partner be more or less inclined to come to his defense on D4?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 7:31 pm @Scotty, is the order you gave first-to-last lynch or last-to-first?

That was first to last

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 8:15 pm Scotty you are making a lot of wrong assumptions there. At one point you address a post I made about Dyslexicon as if it was about Colin. You might wanna double check details like that before insisting I'm contradictory. Also, no I actually wasn't around at EOD. I caught up after it ended and saw there had been several more vote changes in the last half hour of the poll.

Anyway, yes I townread Colin until claimgate, and then his behavior around marmot's claim looked awful. Yes he didn't make my narrowed down poe pool befoe then because I townread him more than 4 others at that point, but not enough to clear him. I get why I look like a potential teammate but I assure you I am not and that all of my reactions yesterday were genuine.

Are you talking about this one:
“JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑ I am particularly interested in Dizzy and Colin. They're the most difficult cases to sort given my own preconceptions and also the fact that my own content plays a large role in what I compiled. A less biased perspective would be super.”
“Nutella wrote: I had a similar experience when I ISOed Dyslexicon earlier today -- I was expecting them to look mostly town but I came out of it with pretty much no solid reason to town read them (and not much solid reason to scum read them to be fair, but there is a little bit that points me in that direction, including the Gladys stuff).”
You use the descriptor “them” as a response to Jjj’s quote in talking about both Colin and Dys. So I don’t know what you want me to say there.

Oh god dammit I just realized something when looking thru ISO’s and using the search function with “Colin” only includes when the user says the word and not when they respond to the name of the search term. That fucking sucks. No wonder people are like “I totally said that”. Yeah, I see you more or less calling out Colin on his bullshit earlier when looking at your full ISO.

In any case, both examples of Dys and nutella are fluid, and I haven’t discovered anything to the contrary

Full Scotty ISO Day 1 and Night 1

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 1:00 am [VOTE: choutas] aubergine

Eyyyyyyyy boi

Votes choutas first thing (RVS).

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 6:29 pm

Choutas wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:48 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:14 pm

Choutas wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:01 pm I use chrome maybe its a settings issue.
Anyhow lets get to business.

Cool. What do you think of rabbits?

Also, the game

Theyre cute but they make terrible meat so a no for me.
The game has started in a mild manner we need to stir things up. Force people to read others.

As for Day one Mac i think hes right into the role.

Are you looking to stir things up? Because “he’s right into the role” ain’t stirring shit

Whatever right into the role means

Prods choutas for not stirring things up.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 11:09 am [VOTE: TheFloyd] aubergine hasn’t checked in

Moves vote to Floyd for inactivety.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 11:26 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 11:19 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 11:18 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 11:12 am Wait, did Elo never actually vote Jay? That's odd.

Oh ho. So really, there should be 5 votes on JJJ.

Yeah, I’m avoidig this train like hot fire. Way too easy

@G-Man is it possible to update everyone’s ISO when you get a chance? Everyone has posted but Floyd

Normally I'd be in 100% agreement with you. But something's off with Jay this game, and I've tried to articulate why I think that makes him look bad. What do you think of what I've highlighted?

My initial thought during the Quin/JJJ spat was that they look civ. That hasn’t changed.

I agree with your assessment that jjj engaged with Elo and Quin and essentially no-u’d them, but he didn’t hide that fact either. I think he’s backing up his reasoning and is feeling cagey. Which I don’t blame him for- I’d probably be like that too as the front runner on D1.

I think I have to look at the votes on him first and foremost, because I can’t shake he feeling that he has too many errant votes for bs reasons on him. I don’t like nova’s vote, and I don’t even know why dizzy is voting there. Now you’ve come to the conclusion that he’s bad, and there’s a recipe for a mislynch in a 13 Person game.

Unless everyone votig for JJJ right now is town and we’ve just solved the game lol

But nah.

Throughout D1 Scotty is vocal about not lynching Jimmey. This is possible TMI. One of the reasons Scotty don't want to vote Jimmey is that there are too many votes there so it's too easy.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:21 pm Someone else get on Floyd please. JJJ should not be lynched day 1

Asks people to get on Floyd instead of Jimmey.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:27 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:24 pm Scotty, Floyd can be and is likely to be replaced though. How about someone else?

We don’t know that. In any case, I like where my vote is regardless.

If there were another option, I’d say Elo or choutus

Don't want to move his vote in spite of a possible replacement. But if he did it would be Eloh or choutas.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 9:27 pm I missed EoD but I ain’t mad choutas got the axe.

As long as y’all got off JJJ

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 1:20 am Heyyyyy we did it! (Well I didn’t do it) day 1 lynch is how Greece should have gone, and here we are!

I am going to bed now but hopefully there’s something juicy in chorus’s posts. If I recall, he didn’t really have much to say At all tho

Yeah ok. Didn't take part in the choutas lynch.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 1:29 pm Catching up:

ThNks jjj for doing the interactive analysis. As I suspected, choutas doesn’t have too many interactions with anyone. But there’s still stuff to look at with voting.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:02 am Thinking more about wolbre's rainbow where he listed Choutas twice: Would a teammate do that?

This definitely struck me as odd and I’m glad Marmot brought it up. I think that a player could make that mistake in either alignment, but I think even moreso in a situation where a mafioso is moving around names on their spectrum list to make sure they cover all their bases. Matter of fact, j would make sure I didn’t miss my teammates. I think missing teammates would look more damning than not, and double teammates, albeit careless, is a slightly better mistake.

In wolbre’s case, I see definite possibility of teammate collusion there.

Doesn't find much in terms of choutas interaction, but brings up wolbre listing choutas twice, which imo is an easy thing to jump on, especially when someone else already brought it up.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 1:58 pm I dont feel like lynching Floyd tomorrow. Maybe down the road if we’re having trouble in paradise finding the active scummates (there’s at least one), but not soon.

If nutella it whoever does replace in, then great

Lost interest in lynching Floyd. Don't really know why.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 2:03 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:06 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 11:55 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 7:25 pm Here's My Reads list, I'll try to provide a small quip next to each one (just in the order i saw them)
Order of the Manboob
Wolbre04 - lord and savior
JJJ - t/t argument with MP7, me and Lilefer have a similar way of playing as t/t against each other


Knights of the Nipple

Kyle
Lapluie - compared to a previous civ game, u look good
Colin
Quin
Nova - fine except that JJJ vote
MP7 - Argument with Jay seems t/t
Marmot/Mac - got us info that makes laplui look pretty good
Quin


Charlie Black Man - baseball guy who isn't actually a black man
Choutas - his meta is low posting and not being around much
Dizzy - dont like your vote on JJJ
Scotty - always wants me dead
Choutas - Who is she

Sekiy
Elohcin
Floyd - Who is she

really exhausted tbh, ima get some sleep, cya guys later

Choutas is in this rainbow twice.

Choutas - his meta is low posting and not being around much
Choutas - Who is she

wolbre, what in the world does this mean? You wrote off that Choutas has the meta of low-posting, and asked who she was??

I'm green in there despite my vote on JJJ being bad according to him. That vote and case I have on JJJ are the only contribution I had D1.

Bing bong. This is basically an antidefense for himself. Nova had no interaction with choutas and felt almost as empty as choutas. I could very well vote here tomorrow if nothing else is inspiring me. But I feel inspired in general and it’s not the xanax

Scotty drags up a post from Nova on N1 to throw some suspicion. I can definitely see mafia doing this after deciding on the kill for cover. Scotty did not mention suspicion on Nova on D1 (actually he early said Nova was "AOK", but now he apparently is.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 2:45 pmI don’t quite understand the jump for Colin into civ territory and it looks like neither do you. Do you have a better idea of how that jumped?

And lol I’m “meh compared to last game”

I could be convinced that dys only had choutas on his belt pouch and not on his back because he suspected Colin more, and I could be convinced that that side eye to choutas was a slight distance in the case of this lynch happening as it did. But I’m in the camp that dys is good right now. Just curious of how hisnread of Colin has changed

Ima look at Colin next

Scotty is rather inconclusive about me in an ISO, but does ask me what made me change my mind about Colin. I could see this from either alignment though.

Full Scotty ISO Day and Night 2

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 11:17 am I’m Shirt on time but nova’s kill is odd to say the least. Looks like he didn’t have many strong accusations except maybe wolbre. Can’t really link the kill to anyone

It might be too easy but I’m gonna start with a vote for [VOTE: wolbre] aubergine

But am also up for either marmot or MP.

I don’t wanna limit it to just them tho. I don’t wanna feel like I’ve been bamboozled by seemingly town looking players- that’s trouvle. But I currently have no reason to suspect jjj. Lol that’ll probably come in day 4 when he’s stil pumpkins water on the cistern and hasn’t been NK’d

Will check back later in the day

Scotty votes Wolbre early in the day and doesn't change it. I think Wolbre is a really easy target.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 3:43 pm Looking at colin’s Iso

He has this habit of not quoting posts with answers to phantom questions and it’s slightly frustrating. Colin, do you do this every game?

You got through most of day 1 pretty actively promoting not lynching JJJ and MP, and voting lap, though I’m not entirely sure why.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 8:59 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 8:57 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 8:52 pm Pages 8-9

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 4:04 pm Yeah, having read the case against Jay, I don’t see anything I wouldn’t expect from his town behavior. I don’t see the case on Dizzy and I’d prefer not to vote Floyd, but between those two, if a replacement’s not happening I won’t lose sleep lynching someone not even in the thread.

Colini's posts reads like a scum player who wants to lynch the town player who deserves it the most.
^Someone talk to me about this.

You mean like Colin is going after low hanging fruit, easy suspects? Yeah, I could see that. His reads are probably the "easiest"; i.e., his town reads are active and his mafia reads are relatively inactive or acting weird.

I mean, I disagree with “low-hanging fruit” but it is true that I’m aligning the active people as town right now. I didn’t really think of that like that. But if people are “acting weird” as you say, what’s bad about suspecting them?

Safe is probably the term I’d use for Colin at this point in the game.

Also I’m almost done with his iso and he still hasn’t mentioned choutas but once.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 8:49 pm Okay, so reads:

JJJ, MP seem town. I’ve explained why for JJJ but MP also feels earnest and interested in solving the game. Epi seems to be playing as I have always seen him (town) so I can get behind him for now too.

I liked the cases made earlier on lapluie, Eloh, and I understood J’s ire toward Dyslexicon so I guess those are the biggest suspects. Because Marmot made one of those cases (lapluie) I would townread him too.

Scotty feels different to me from AG, where he was town, but maybe I’m not accustomed to his playstyle in general. Wolbre is playing similar to what I’ve seen but people have asked good questions of him and I don’t think he really addressed them. Choutas, as others have said, flying so far below radar I forgot he was here — not good. Slight scum lean on gut or soul or whatever.

Floyd, nothing. Nova, really not sure. Everybody I didn’t talk about, idk.

lol ok so his main suspect is lap (and I think Elo and Dys?The syntax of that sentence was weird) then slight shade to me and choutas.

Definitely safe reads all around though. Nothing condemning.

This came like 40 min before EoD:

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 9:07 pm I think there are better options than Choutas as I said, but I’d be fine with his lynch.

“As I’ve said”
no you didn’t. You said you preferred lap and read him as slight scum lean.

Bad look. I don’t like how your only mentionof choutas was slight scum and even at the end you slightly defend him.

I lean bad on Colin right now.
Where are you now on lap? And what has changed in reads for you?

Scotty does an ISO of Colin and has critical things to say and leans bad on him. He also ISOs Eloh and Wolbre and leans bad on them as well.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 5:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 5:06 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 5:02 pm I mean, I can answer to that- you had 0 suspicion of choutas hntik that moment at the end when you jumped, which basically said ‘well, i ordered steel toed boots, but these flip flops they sent me will work!”

Nobody was talking about Choutas when I left the thread. When I came back near the deadline, I think he was leading the lynch. So yes, I was going to look into him then.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 9:04 pm Yeah, Choutas doesn't have anything that looks town.

Should we lynch him?

why ask permission? I think you and Mp where the last 2 to vote there, but I also don’t know what the totals of everyone else were at the time.

It could be said on one hand that you and MP drove the nail in the coffin and would be looking pretty, but I don’t know how much of choutas’ lynch was going towards inevitability at that point.

Does anyone remember what the votals were before Mp and marmot switched?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 7:37 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 7:31 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 11:17 am I’m Shirt on time but nova’s kill is odd to say the least. Looks like he didn’t have many strong accusations except maybe wolbre. Can’t really link the kill to anyone

It might be too easy but I’m gonna start with a vote for [VOTE: wolbre] aubergine

But am also up for either marmot or MP.

I don’t wanna limit it to just them tho. I don’t wanna feel like I’ve been bamboozled by seemingly town looking players- that’s trouvle. But I currently have no reason to suspect jjj. Lol that’ll probably come in day 4 when he’s stil pumpkins water on the cistern and hasn’t been NK’d

Will check back later in the day

Why Marmot or me?

Your votes came together when the lynch was basically decided, on what I recall was flimsy cause. Any late train riders get my eye

I don’t remember all your reads on the matter because you write tomes and I haven’t done your iso yet, so you might have explained suspicion with choutis earlier but I just don’t remember

These two posts seem to contradict each other if I'm reading them right. When he talks to Marmot, Scotty said he doesn't know where the votes were at and doesn't know how much choutas was decided. When he talks to MP he says their votes came after the lynch was basically decided. I don't see anything between these two posts (Scotty has no posts himself between these) that would change this view for Scotty.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:20 am Rip wolbre, hi nutella!

I think I like you. Can you expand on why Elo is at the bottom for you?

This is N2. Scotty says he likes Nutella, though Nutella has made no alignment indicative posts after learning her role. I think I asked him about this at a point, but can't recall I got an answer.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 12:34 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:59 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:40 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 12:17 pm I don’t feel good about Eloh either but I’m of two minds on that post. Could be scum self-preservation, or Marmot’s more charitable explanation could hold up.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 3:29 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 2:39 pm I'm considering lynching Quin. His only sign of life today was to freak the hell out about some Dizzy interpretation of his own posts. I don't see evidence that this guy gives a crap about the hunt.

I don’t feel great about him either, or that he’s staying away from two wagons that both seem reasonable.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 3:31 pm And Marmot too — what’s up with MP in your eyes?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 5:36 pm I have you and Marmot leaning scum, and I’m not convinced re: Eloh, so I don’t think those are just “easy” reads.

As far as “flexible” goes, I’m certainly open to hearing arguments for anybody but a lot of these players I’ve only seen one way and I’m doing a lot of taking peoples’ word on meta analysis. JJJ, Epi, Kyle, I don’t know what they look like as scum so I don’t know what to watch out for. I disengaged from Greece after dying so anything that happened after the early stages was beyond me.

All these posts were right after each other.
So you had one eye on Elo, one on Quin, Marmot and (I think) MP, and you ultimately add to the wolbre train. That’s a lot of eyes that aren’t really looking anywhere in particular.

You’re a spider. I have my one cyclops eye on you

He had talked about wolbre quite a bit earlier on in the day, so I don't find it strange at all.

But even towards the end there, he was leaving himself open to voting all other major wagons. Makes me feel like his hands were in multiple honey jars and the honey jars were spilling over, if Colin is bad then I can see one of his bad reads here being a teammate. Like, if the Elo one had taken off for real (and she were bad) he could go “oh...well I said I thought wolbre or Quin or marmot was bad so ima vote there”

This is about Colin. Still criticism of Colin and linking him to other players.

Full Scotty ISO Day and Night 3

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 11:21 pm Fuuuuuuuuuu bye Kyle-

That kill actually made sense. There’s gotta be a strategy here, even if we don’t see t

i pronanly already said it but my participatioj is going to dip a lot this weekend and I’ll do my best on bathroom breaks to respond and keep making shit happen but know that im not just chillin in a freezer somewhere

Says the kill makes sense. I low key disagree since Kyle was both out of it and revealed not to be arguably the most dangerous power role.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 11:27 pm [VOTE: Elo] aubergine

I think her buddy Colin saved her yesterday and my suspicion hasn’t abated for her, so...one of them

Will take a look at voting patterns more tomorrow

I would avoid Quin altogether. I don’t think he’s bad unlesssssss he is the white bunny who can’t be lynched. That’s the only reason I would see for him to self vote at that point (I don’t remember how many votes he had in my reread)

This is where Scotty votes Eloh and continues to link her to Colin. Imo this is a rather classic scum move - connecting a teammate with a easy to frame town and then vote the town, and then reassess when the town flips.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 12:15 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 11:56 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 11:49 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 11:31 pm You’re gonna have to flesh that tinfoil out a little bit, Scotty.

It’s wax paper, not tin foil.

I’ll get to it tomorrow but even still, why are you acting so surprised?

Why wouldn’t I be surprised...?

I’ve already called you out on things yesterday so it seems like you’re taking my accusation as if it’s out of the blue, when in reality I know you’re playing dumb because you responded to it

Between Scotty and Colin. I think this is a bit awkward. Would bad Colin call town Scotty's accusation tin foil?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 12:54 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 12:28 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 12:14 pm What makes Scotty town again? : p

For me it’s that he seems pretty similar to his town play in AG the more I see of it, but he’s going to have to flesh out some of these ideas he has and soon.

I’ve already said I think you look suspicious for how you subtly defended choutas on day 1 by proffering that there were better options while rolling your eyes and placing a vote there. You showed up to a friend’s house, and when he handed you a cold refreshing glass of Sunny D, you told him you’d drink it even though it tastes like cat urine

Colin's post here is interesting. D1 Colin mentioned that Scotty seemed different than in AG. But here he says Scotty is town for seeming similar to AG, and this point Scotty already has general town cred. Here is the quote from Colin D1:

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 8:49 pmScotty feels different to me from AG, where he was town, but maybe I’m not accustomed to his playstyle in general.

Weak accusation that is nullified.

In the original quote over Scotty reiterates his suspicion for Colin. Scotty also makes more of these funny allegories to Colin then to others, just an observation. Colin doesn't seem worried about Scotty's accusations imo.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 1:04 pmI’ve already said I think you look suspicious for how you subtly defended choutas on day 1 by proffering that there were better options while rolling your eyes and placing a vote there. You showed up to a friend’s house, and when he handed you a cold refreshing glass of Sunny D, you told him you’d drink it even though it tastes like cat urine

And I’ve already said that I didn’t defend Choutas. What time would you like us to repeat this exchange tomorrow?
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That you can’t own up that you even softly defended him is beyond me. Like, it’s ok if you did defend him, everyone does that. But you’re so guarded about it

Who is your scummate
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More bickering.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 7:31 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 5:46 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 1:31 pm Yikes this weekend is going to be a drag for a lot of people. I know I’m rather occupied right now, but it’s not a time to be stagnant.

Quick, someone talk about why mp is suspicious before he gets back!

Lynch Jay with me.

You’re being manic right now where your sock is about to unravel, and I like it.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Scotty jumps onto Jimmey from MP's enthusiasm.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 8:01 pm I’d rsther do a Colin lynch today, but Mp is very convincing.
It’s not even what he’s saying, it’s how he’s saying it

First statement of lynch intent towards Colin.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 11:19 am ALIVE:
ColinIsCool - BAD
Dyslexicon - GOOD
Elohcin - BAD
Epignosis - BAD
JaggedJimmyJay - GOOD
lapluie - GOOD
M Plus 7 - GOOD
Marmot (Replaced MacDougall) - BAD
Nutella (Replaced TheFloyd73) - GOOD
Quin - GOOD
Scotty - GOD

And Colin is BAD in the list.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 11:36 am Ima movin back to [VOTE: elo] aubergine

But the vote goes back to Eloh instead.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 12:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 12:00 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

This is still my preference. I have more active suspicion of him than I do of Elohcin.

Yeah yeah yeah

Back learning to tie my shoes [VOTE: marmot] aubergine

I don’t have anything new to say about marmot- his immediate self vote and calling himself scum always makes me wary, and his vote for choutas at the end of day 1 with no explanation or written suspicion beforehand is the most suspicious vote

And then follows Jimmey on Marmot.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 12:53 am Im of two minds with that lynch.

1) there was something screwy with the marmot defense and 2) there was something screwy with the read evolutions at the EoD.

Gonna go in order

You guys love to talk not when I’m around.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 7:29 pm I’m going to switch to [VOTE: MARMOT] aubergine for the time being. Eloh reacting so differently in this game has me rethinking things.

What ‘different reaction’ made you switch? Was it just that you knew she was civ and you were just making things up? That I think Colin is bad is clouding my judgment on everything he does here and his aversion to the Elo lynch at the last second is mighty fishy. That he switched to Marmot makes me feel better about marmot too, because these were the only 2 lynches at the time.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:09 pm I'm voting to save myself because I am civ. I rarely see marmot as bad, but there is more of a chance that he is bad because I am civ.

oh man, then this post. It’s just so bad it’s comical. Which is funny because it’s not funny and shes dead. But the logic presented here wouldn’t make me want to not vote her if I were around.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 1:26 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 12:59 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 9:24 pm I felt very solid on Eloh for a lynch today but the more I think about it, there’s a big key difference between her U-Pick scumming and here. She tried a gambit there to get away from the lynch and here she just ... hasn’t tried anything.

Hmmm.

I’ve already responded to this quote and I don’t remember you giving me any reasonable response.

Does this game being [mostly] open change your mindset if that one was closed? It’s an entirely different scenario, it’s like hiring this mariachi band to your wedding because you thought they were wonderful that one time you were drunk in Cozumel. It’s not the same.

Anyway, it doesn’t matter now, since she’s dead and civ. But your reasoning there sounds...uh...fabricated? Yea, that’s the word.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 2:03 am All of Colin, Marmot, Mp and Quin can’t be bad, so this is slightly frustrating.

I think we should just lynch colin tomorrow and run from there. @nutella @M Plus 7

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 7:24 pmColin doesn’t seem like he’s making decisions this game that seem organic. He was a bad student and didn’t show his work with his change of heart on Elo- what is different in her play that he decided it was a bad idea to pursue her further? I’d expect a teacher to be more critical of that.

When Night 3 starts Scotty immediately throws dirt on Colin and says he should be lynched next day.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 2:00 amI don’t even know what I’m saying. My coffee is wearing off

I HAVE to include this. I think Scotty is scum, and if it's true, BOTH scum committed the fatal coffee slip. It's the best thing ever.

Full Scotty ISO Day and Night 4

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 1:15 pm Will read and respond more thru day but for now [VOTE: colin] aubergine

Scotty finally votes Colin for the first time.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 1:52 pm Killing Mp was a fucky kill but you know I’m done trying to read these kills. Mp was in like half the town’s lynch pool so whatever. Apparently it’s doing the job tho because y’all seem to be more confused than a cabbage in a beanie baby collection. My number 2 suspects are currently Colin and combo of Epi/Quin. Will expand.

I’d say that Mp was on to someone, and will take a look at his reads yesterday, but I could have said the same thing about nova and all nova cared about was wolbre, and we all know how that turned out. Worth a look tho

I questioned his interpretation of the MP kill as well. I didn't think MP was a very likely mislynch. Also, it's worth noting that even though Scotty has constantly said Colin is bad or leaning bad, he (usually immediately) also points the finger in other different directions as well. This has been consistent throughout the game.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 3:22 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 9:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 6:50 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 6:22 pm sorry all i'd do more but suddenly sick as a sig dog who still has a mountain of work to do

if someone could link me to some stuff about colin i'd appreciate it

Heres an initial case

A lot of my suspicion stems from that and his response that that last look at choutas wasnt defending, when I see it clearly as such. The rest of my suspicion of him is semantics and that he is playing a safe game.

JJJ has his own beef with him tho

I think your argument, full stop, is semantics. That, and the worst case of tunnel vision I've seen since I dogged somebody through half a game in Fallout Mafia on RYM. I was wrong then, and you're wrong now.

Okay, well i could be wrong, sure. I’ll own up to that if the time comes, but your tone is just nagging me as bystander material, like you’re at a polo match with some pecan-encrusted kettle corn kernels. And looking at JjJ’s conclusion, it seems to mirror what I’m seeing- you have a defense of many, but an offense of few. Plus, MP was dogging you before he died.
I dunno dude, I just can’t unsee some stuff. Like The Wicker Man. What the FUCK was that movie?

Keeps the pressure up. And also the funny allegories.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 6:27 pm Ok all caught up. Had to keep reading between work breaks.

This is bullshit. I believe lap is telling the truth, and unfortunately that means both Colin and marmot could be bad, but only one of Colin and marmot is bad, but I ALREADY FIGURED THAT. My initial thought as I was reading everything in succession that Colin is just peddling bullshit because he knew he was caught but I can also see why marmot could be vomiting feces and Colin was just holding back to claim so that he didn’t have to. Marmot coming out as the doctor at a 4 v 2 vote with like 9 hours before EoD is definitely a questionable move.

I hate this. I still lean Colin

Scotty is not around for a lot of the Marmot/Colin drama. But he expresses indecisiveness when he gets caught up.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 6:47 pm GUYS what if Marmot left his breadcrumb trail for this very purpose for whichever power role seemed most appealing to claim as.

Think about it-

He claimed 20 minutes after lap claimed today, and the breadcrumbs he left were vague enough that it could have been for anything.

Also he claimed Gladys a while back, didn’t he? Why on earth would the doctor claim Gladys?

Scotty comes with decent arguments against Marmot.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 7:04 pm Guys i only have 3% on my phone and am in the woods for the night workig. I do have a charger but I can’t peomise I will locate an outlet in this building before EoD.

If we lynch off wagon I support Quin, if you guys think the math works best there. Lap sus he’s in the pool with Colin and marmot and the chlorine needs to come in on one of them I feel

Supports Quin if we lynch off Marmot/Colin, but he did express wanting to lynch between Marmot/Colin.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 7:11 pm[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

The doctor protecting the cop is like paper beating scissors. It don’t make sense

Scotty eventually switches to Marmot. This is his last post on D4.

Imo Scotty is definitely a likely candidate to be mafia. If I go through his scum games and feel there is a great different there compared to here, I will rethink. I also want to go through Quin and maybe Nutella's ISO. At least for my own sake.

On D5 I have trouble with how Scotty is so in the clear with Jimmey having organic reactions while he think my reactions are not, since I feel me and Jimmey was basically at the exact same plays in the end of D4, only I ended up choosing Marmot over Colin in the end.

Please read through this ISO and tell me where I'm wrong. The only think that makes me question myself is Scotty voting Colin all of D4 (finally...) but then switching to Marmot last chance. Maybe he really wanted to lynch the doctor.