The Syndicate

112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:18 pm @tutuu we need to do the MU hydra event together. we'll be One one two two.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:14 am

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 1:29 am poison may as well be an IC this game

No

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 12:59 pm TSP was scummy to me, or at the very least, less towny than most other people in the game. Other people (who I townread) brought a few compelling arguments to the table. I didn't believe that TSP had any idea how to defend himself, which is not what I would expect from a townie placed in the position he was in.

That's three sentences or fewer, right?

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:26 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:14 am

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 1:29 am poison may as well be an IC this game

No

but really, yes

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:27 am

Spoiler: show

villas

Poison
112
Nanook

weaker villas

Michelle
TSP
LC

not reading lol

Hally
tutuu


PoE

dunya
Wilgy
Arete
Vulgard
Ash Lael

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the people in "not reading lol" are not placed in PoE because I believe they're self resolving ; gun to head I'd say tutuu is probably townier than hally and if there would have to be a scum there, it's probably Hally (again, not saying there HAS TO BE ONE, just that, without reading their ISOs and going off what I've skimmed and feels and stuff, Hally looks worse than tutuu. They are in "not reading" because they have too many poasts and technically, they aren't scum reads or town reads of mine, they are more like...they get self-resolved. simple as that. Hally!scum top posting signs herself to a death wish late game. She'd have to answer a shitty question to fight against "why is Hally alive?" etc etc)

villas bracket

Nanook - actually haven't read his posts in isolation, I went with my gut feel of what I've skimmed and he doesn't really look like he's posting with an agenda to me. figures shit out, wants to yeet low posters whereas scum wouldn't be leading yeets there imo. level 1 stuff that I'm fine having him town for.

Poison - self-explanatory, everybody has the read.

112 - feel like she's stark different from her wolf play. Don't think she starts early game with reads, she keeps solving, has heaps between one liners and more depth of thought things. Liking pretty much ~all of her takes and comments. I'd be surprised if I'm being fooled here. It'd have to be a major improvement.

weaker villas

Michelle - liked her snark early on, liking the Poison push, her dunya case is good, think I can see some residue of her previous town meta in the way she's approaching her pushes.

TSP - Yeah so thinking about it, my case wasn't that good (which I've mentioned!) and they had a reasonable explanation for each and every loop hole. The way they've reacted to people poking holes in his reads and actions was prettay villager-y, the post I've quoted was pretty good. I'll just assume he's a town for now.

LC - I believe this is probably a stellar performance for him if he's a wolf. He's doing all the right things. Correcting people on their pushes on him (Hally calling him town for not being scum, he replied with "I'd copy my meta perfectly"), calling people out for town leaning him. I believe I can see some reasoning behind some of his pushes but he doesn't look like he wants to get any credit out of it. I believe if he's a wolf, he's posting primarily with the agenda of being town read and nothing else, and still, he'd be correcting a few holes in his scum play but allowing others to make him susceptible to scum reads, so that doesn't make a ton of sense in my head if he's a wolf looking to act exactly against his usual scum meta and more like his town meta ; I believe he'd leave some of his specific town tells out of this and he'd get greedy, copying it tell for tell is kind of a gambit, I think, and perhaps a bit too much even for LC. Could be wrong, that's why he's in weak villa.

PoE - not scum reads, just people that didn't make it in the villa / weak villa pile

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that's prettay much it

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:36 am Wilgy's catchup I believe was pretty similar to that time in Pyre and I'm impressed you went for Triple Haven over him. The mindset is still pretty much the same, doesn't care about why top wagons are top wagons, he looked frozen while conversation was going and he'd reply to useless poasts / joke poasts until he realised he's not in danger anymore and then left.

dunya's way of reading the game makes it hard for me to realise whether she's a villager or not, her poasts were better live but skimming her ISO it doesn't feel as townie anymore. I can't tell how she's reading the thread or what info she's making reads based on which makes it hard for me to villa read her. Also doesn't really seem to stick to any read or explore it further which makes me feel like the reads are fake. Tons of posts that I didn't like ("I made 112 squirm, taking credit for that" and others which don't look pretty genuine and prettay performative)

Ash already talked about.

Vulgard appeared like he didn't care for the second part of the day which is why I took him off town leans. A wolf in his position would be very much pleased with the game state and it didn't look like scum were in much danger. Why attend second part of the day when towns are being wagonned and you are in no danger.

Arete...I mean, I can ~see her being town, but I don't believe she's passed any reasonable bar for villagery-ness. Her reads are basically poking at Vulgard with a ten foot pole (that takes one page of her ISO) and the TSP scum read that turned into a town read by the end based on one post.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:32 pm and then the three left are wilgy/dunya/ash. so that would have to be the team, but i feel like it’s not. but whatever, probably just kill wilgy and go from there

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:15 am @tutuu If I'm in a final 3 with Arete and anyone else, I snapvote the person who isn't Arete and say GG.

@Hally I had a wacky dream last night. For some reason, we were playing Among Us and I was Impostor with you. And we swept the game. And I was very happy about it.
It makes me hope you're town.

I don't think Hally's EoD was very good, though, but maybe it's because I'm biased against TSP. It felt like Hally was trying to make sure that mafia was not getting killed. I really hate the push on TripleHaven, and TH's flip did not surprise me whatsoever.

Disclaimer: EoD was in the middle of the night for me, so I couldn't attend. Please don't take me to LyLo, or I'm going to cry, because I won't have as much time to make a decision as the other players there.

Catching up took me a while, and I have classes today all day long, so don't expect me to post much. I'm updated regarding the current events, though.

I didn't really like 112's EoD, although if TSP is town, she looks better for defending him when she didn't have to.

TSP's post everybody mentioned is indeed towny, but I don't think it's clearing. It makes me want to go elsewhere tomorrow, though.

I think Michelle vs Poison is TvT.

I am running out of scumreads.

Is there a way to check vote history on this site? I'd like to see how exactly the wagons moved.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:19 am Is it bad that I suspect Hally because they were the equivalent of mafia in the dream I had, even though we were on the same team in that dream?
This is stupid, I should stop. The in-game reason is because of their EoD, since I found it suspicious how they were gunning for TripleHaven, the slanker with 2 posts who understandably flipped VT.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:38 pm Is it normal on this site to just kill the lowest posters first before considering anything else?
I'm not being slanky, I'm just asking if that's the meta, because I seem to be the only person who's like "killing lowposters is a waste of time and they are probably town anyway."

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:24 am I don't know about you guys, but I think Michelle has been getting progressively townier. The take just above this post is something I really like. I don't think mafia would consider "who voted only on the poll is more suspicious, because showing your votes in the thread is a towny activity."

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:41 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:19 am Is it bad that I suspect Hally because they were the equivalent of mafia in the dream I had, even though we were on the same team in that dream?
This is stupid, I should stop. The in-game reason is because of their EoD, since I found it suspicious how they were gunning for TripleHaven, the slanker with 2 posts who understandably flipped VT.

i really would not classify my vote on trip as “gunning” and idk how anyone could come away with that interpretation. nook was gunning for her. i just voted her because i didn’t feel good about any other vote

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:25 am I need to check the TH wagon. I find it really sketchy how it appeared at EoD, was pushed by Hally without evaluating why it might be bad (at least, that is the way I think about it), then people just hopped onto it casually and it flipped. I don't think anyone had a good reason to hop onto it, and yet it went over.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:36 am People were like "let's kill the 2-poster" and for some reason, people were on board with that. That was really, really bad and I had higher expectations.
Which is why I'm trying to find the TH voters, but I'm coming up short.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:46 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:36 am People were like "let's kill the 2-poster" and for some reason, people were on board with that. That was really, really bad and I had higher expectations.
Which is why I'm trying to find the TH voters, but I'm coming up short.

there is no reason why killing a two poster is inherently bad

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:42 am So, the public votes go tutuu->Hally->...no one? Yeeted with two votes??

Didn't Tony/Wilgy have more public votes? What happened there?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:56 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:19 am Is it bad that I suspect Hally because they were the equivalent of mafia in the dream I had, even though we were on the same team in that dream?
This is stupid, I should stop. The in-game reason is because of their EoD, since I found it suspicious how they were gunning for TripleHaven, the slanker with 2 posts who understandably flipped VT.

I mean

That was me gunning for trip and people begrudgingly agreeing FMPOV

Definitely would not classify Hally as gunning for her lol

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:58 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:56 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:19 am Is it bad that I suspect Hally because they were the equivalent of mafia in the dream I had, even though we were on the same team in that dream?
This is stupid, I should stop. The in-game reason is because of their EoD, since I found it suspicious how they were gunning for TripleHaven, the slanker with 2 posts who understandably flipped VT.

I mean

That was me gunning for trip and people begrudgingly agreeing FMPOV

Definitely would not classify Hally as gunning for her lol

I suppose so. You didn't even publicly vote there, though. Were you voting TH at EoD?
Hally definitely added significant traction to the TH wagon.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:34 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:32 pm and then the three left are wilgy/dunya/ash. so that would have to be the team, but i feel like it’s not. but whatever, probably just kill wilgy and go from there

What prompts you to feel it is not?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:10 am PoE

Wilgy / dunya / hally / TSP

think I'm somewhere around here, will keep switching up the formula

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:00 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:10 am PoE

Wilgy / dunya / hally / TSP

think I'm somewhere around here, will keep switching up the formula

having me in a poe of four is actually insane

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:00 pm i wonder who's gonna die tonight btw

this game's a very complex puzzle

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:03 pm I'm starting to get cold feet about tedxtr, which is why I'm not adding him to this list

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:20 am Had some bad jujus when Hally was pushing me at random times as well

she should have a better grip on me than attacking me for "not reading actives"

prettay weird push, felt like I was being "handled" in a wolfy way

i'll quote the page the whole thing was on and you can give thoughts

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:05 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:03 pm I'm starting to get cold feet about tedxtr, which is why I'm not adding him to this list

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:06 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:20 am Had some bad jujus when Hally was pushing me at random times as well

she should have a better grip on me than attacking me for "not reading actives"

prettay weird push, felt like I was being "handled" in a wolfy way

i'll quote the page the whole thing was on and you can give thoughts

i never pushed you ted. when i question someone over something, its not necessarily a push of like “i think this person is scum,” it’s “i saw something that could be concerning or i dont agree with/understand, let me question them to see if i can unpack this/understand them/see if my concern is warranted.” i will even question town reads the same way if i dont get something or want to understand them better. im always evaluating every single read i have all the time and that includes asking questions. it’s maybe fair to say i had some vague suspicion of you in that moment because our reads didn’t line up but i wouldn’t classify it as a push. when i actually am pushing someone, it looks way different

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:25 am starting from bottom of page 31 with "my and ted's views of the game are different and I don't know how to feel about it" and every question after that until I stopped the conversation felt like she wasn't trying to sort me and just handle me in a way

also thought the "me and ted have different views of the game so that must mean something for his alignment" is a weird thing to think about and not a genuine thought that she'd have

we don't have any extensive history where we mindmelded or powertowned or anything so it felt faked and not a villagery approach to me in particular, think she wanted to have the tunnel just to fake attempting to read me because she didn't have me as any lean whatsoever by then

me and Hally have 1 finished game together, one where she died N2 and I sucked and we didn't even interact and one where I was scum and she was town.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:37 am Привет дураки

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:37 am I particularly remember Hally supporting this, which is why I'm singling them out, but they weren't the only one on the wagon.
I could re-read EoD, but I don't actually have a way to check who was REALLY voting TH at EoD, do I?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:44 am At this point I'm under the impression that Poison vs Michelle is just TvT and it's eating the thread alive.
Hi, Epignosis.

Arete wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:18 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:37 am I particularly remember Hally supporting this, which is why I'm singling them out, but they weren't the only one on the wagon.
I could re-read EoD, but I don't actually have a way to check who was REALLY voting TH at EoD, do I?

raises hand

I switched to TH (and announced it in thread, although maybe not with the right words) because people who've played with TSP kept telling me that was just how TSP plays as town

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:44 am Reading the poll right now. The TH wagon is very sketchy to me, meanwhile I townread every single TSP voter.
Hmm.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:20 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:44 am Reading the poll right now. The TH wagon is very sketchy to me, meanwhile I townread every single TSP voter.
Hmm.

how is it sketchy? the th wagon is me/nook/tutuu/arete, who should all be town, plus tony and wilgy who are more uncertain. wilgy especially

but like, idk i feel like you’re making a bit of a big deal out of trip being eliminated? does fol just never kill low posters? like why is this so objectionable on D1? im just confused

Arete wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:18 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:37 am I particularly remember Hally supporting this, which is why I'm singling them out, but they weren't the only one on the wagon.
I could re-read EoD, but I don't actually have a way to check who was REALLY voting TH at EoD, do I?

raises hand

I switched to TH (and announced it in thread, although maybe not with the right words) because people who've played with TSP kept telling me that was just how TSP plays as town

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:20 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:44 am Reading the poll right now. The TH wagon is very sketchy to me, meanwhile I townread every single TSP voter.
Hmm.

how is it sketchy? the th wagon is me/nook/tutuu/arete, who should all be town, plus tony and wilgy who are more uncertain. wilgy especially

but like, idk i feel like you’re making a bit of a big deal out of trip being eliminated? does fol just never kill low posters? like why is this so objectionable on D1? im just confused