The Syndicate

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:00 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 3:27 pm In a dramatic turn of events I am boycotting a wilgy flip today

id you have any thoughts about my POE post, which you asked for?

Would you flip Schia over Ruri today? You were very gung ho about Ruri during the first half of this phase, but that seems to have gone away?

ruri can always get voted off for all I care just b/c I can't ever find her even if she's town. but I didn't like seeing posts yesterday saying she seemed towny cuz I didn't agree so I cased her thinking it might have been a misclear from other people but idk. she doesn't interact so idk what to do

father forgive them, they know not what they do....

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:12 pm I'm thinking about giving my track to falcon45ca so he either gets nightkilled and clears the POE or he gets to cop check someone if there's one wolf left.

Got a couple cop check faves?

Wilgy is voting me, eh?




Weird

Good hello.

Basically been hungover all day.

Twas a fun mistake.

My gut tells me Porscha is town based on their responses to me.

I still hold firm that Falcon/Nook are very much just town.

Obs is the only one that I would say doesn't have an associative clear, but I also don't think Obs had a teammate.

If there has been a misclear maybe Ruri, but that's tinfoil.

Wolves are Neon and Shia. If I go over today that's still fine just make sure to follow my legacy.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:42 pm Wilgy is voting me, eh?




Weird

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Falc, my gut told me while drunk to sheep Porscha as they had become a point of enlightenment that I'm surprised a religion hasn't been built on.

Now that I am aware, I'm no longer as enticed to join said Porscha devout following, but still think they are town.

I don't think Neon is mafia Wilgs

Ruri I go back and forth tinfoiling

obscurity wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:56 pm I don't think Neon is mafia Wilgs

Ruri I go back and forth tinfoiling

I just don't find a team elsewhere. If Shia/Ruri? Maybe?

Idk Ruri without counter claim, plus the reaction to Nook gimmick.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:53 pm Falc, my gut told me while drunk to sheep Porscha as they had become a point of enlightenment that I'm surprised a religion hasn't been built on.

Now that I am aware, I'm no longer as enticed to join said Porscha devout following, but still think they are town.

See, that's the trick...religion isn't about enlightenment, that's a red herring.



Sheeping Porscha, eh? What was your favorite read of hers?

Like unless I'm just wrong about you and it's you/Porscha lol, but that would make even less sense in this gamestate.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:58 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:56 pm I don't think Neon is mafia Wilgs

Ruri I go back and forth tinfoiling

I just don't find a team elsewhere. If Shia/Ruri? Maybe?

Idk Ruri without counter claim, plus the reaction to Nook gimmick.

Do you get towny vibes off Shia? Ruri?

I also don't have an iron clad team, I actually starting drawing a chart in my notebook earlier with NON-teams to see if I could narrow it down but didn't find it super useful.

Okay I'm looking back, not sure if there's anything that I need to respond to. I will say aside from role shenanigans, an issue I have with Schia is I feel their reads are a bit.. static? Like they're sort of just running a course rather than actively trying to evaluate people.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:58 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:53 pm Falc, my gut told me while drunk to sheep Porscha as they had become a point of enlightenment that I'm surprised a religion hasn't been built on.

Now that I am aware, I'm no longer as enticed to join said Porscha devout following, but still think they are town.

See, that's the trick...religion isn't about enlightenment, that's a red herring.



Sheeping Porscha, eh? What was your favorite read of hers?

The push on me.

It's wrong, but I think it's wrong for the correct reasons. Porscha I think is really trying to solve the more important questions and the reactions I got referring to the suspicion on me my gut screams is towny.

Porscha's take on you is kinda bad, I think. The "you know you'll need to be flipped" is rough but I at least understand someone having this perspective because I know I'll need to be flipped.

Porscha's stance on Ruri I think is better than the stance on you.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:00 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:58 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:56 pm I don't think Neon is mafia Wilgs

Ruri I go back and forth tinfoiling

I just don't find a team elsewhere. If Shia/Ruri? Maybe?

Idk Ruri without counter claim, plus the reaction to Nook gimmick.

Do you get towny vibes off Shia? Ruri?

Shia not really? Like, and this applies to Neon as well. They are players that state "I play game like X" and then it's damned if you do/damned if you don't from then out as the "I play game like X" can always be the arguable excuse.

I did get towny vibes from Ruri during nook gimmick, but they have since faded.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:05 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:58 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:53 pm Falc, my gut told me while drunk to sheep Porscha as they had become a point of enlightenment that I'm surprised a religion hasn't been built on.

Now that I am aware, I'm no longer as enticed to join said Porscha devout following, but still think they are town.

See, that's the trick...religion isn't about enlightenment, that's a red herring.



Sheeping Porscha, eh? What was your favorite read of hers?

The push on me.

It's wrong, but I think it's wrong for the correct reasons. Porscha I think is really trying to solve the more important questions and the reactions I got referring to the suspicion on me my gut screams is towny.

Porscha's take on you is kinda bad, I think. The "you know you'll need to be flipped" is rough but I at least understand someone having this perspective because I know I'll need to be flipped.

Porscha's stance on Ruri I think is better than the stance on you.

Oh, and I suppose I should elaborate here. I think I'm making excuses for Porscha to be TR'd and I'm aware of that.

My gut is really telling me to do so. I wouldn't pull Porscha out of PoE, but they are a TR otherwise.

my gut says Creature/Neon/Wilgy are all town > other townreads. Creature clear. Neon from our interactions yesterday. Wilgy just from everything as a whole - like my very very broad POE would be Porscha/NANOOK/Falc/Pyxxy/Ruri/Schia. NANOOK and Pyxxy have definitely been trending up a lot today but I don't feel as comfortable removing them.

i'm trying to reread the game from page 1 again just to see if anything sticks out that i missed early

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:05 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:58 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:53 pm Falc, my gut told me while drunk to sheep Porscha as they had become a point of enlightenment that I'm surprised a religion hasn't been built on.

Now that I am aware, I'm no longer as enticed to join said Porscha devout following, but still think they are town.

See, that's the trick...religion isn't about enlightenment, that's a red herring.



Sheeping Porscha, eh? What was your favorite read of hers?

The push on me.

It's wrong, but I think it's wrong for the correct reasons. Porscha I think is really trying to solve the more important questions and the reactions I got referring to the suspicion on me my gut screams is towny.

Porscha's take on you is kinda bad, I think. The "you know you'll need to be flipped" is rough but I at least understand someone having this perspective because I know I'll need to be flipped.

Porscha's stance on Ruri I think is better than the stance on you.

I found it odd that she seemed locked jnto town not being able to solve the last Maf w/o my flip.


Like, why couldn't last RD lynch have hit Maf? Or this RD? It struck me as strange

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:08 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:00 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:58 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:56 pm I don't think Neon is mafia Wilgs

Ruri I go back and forth tinfoiling

I just don't find a team elsewhere. If Shia/Ruri? Maybe?

Idk Ruri without counter claim, plus the reaction to Nook gimmick.

Do you get towny vibes off Shia? Ruri?

Shia not really? Like, and this applies to Neon as well. They are players that state "I play game like X" and then it's damned if you do/damned if you don't from then out as the "I play game like X" can always be the arguable excuse.

I did get towny vibes from Ruri during nook gimmick, but they have since faded.

ou prefer to vote Neon over Schia, when Schia is the viable counterwagon to you, because....?

okay i need to start cooking dinner, but i RR day 1 and it reminded me that yeah i'm better finding townreads and working down so ima continue with that. i sort of liked NANOOK's EOD1 and remember Sabi tried to discredit this read - which matters because i now see Sabi was basically powerwolfing. Wilgy has a super town day one.

i'm still good with my vote on schia, will be off and on around through EOD.

my father if it be possible, let this cup make me drunk enough to get voters to pass from me yet again onto another mislim: not as i will it, but as thou wilt!!!

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:25 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:08 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:00 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:58 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:56 pm I don't think Neon is mafia Wilgs

Ruri I go back and forth tinfoiling

I just don't find a team elsewhere. If Shia/Ruri? Maybe?

Idk Ruri without counter claim, plus the reaction to Nook gimmick.

Do you get towny vibes off Shia? Ruri?

Shia not really? Like, and this applies to Neon as well. They are players that state "I play game like X" and then it's damned if you do/damned if you don't from then out as the "I play game like X" can always be the arguable excuse.

I did get towny vibes from Ruri during nook gimmick, but they have since faded.

ou prefer to vote Neon over Schia, when Schia is the viable counterwagon to you, because....?

Because I'm fine with all 3. If I go over, the game should be easy to solve. I think my existing is making the game harder for town to get there tbh. I do have legitimate concern that if I'm left alive, I'll become a lylo misyeet. Neon and Shia are very likely to have a wolf.

All 3 of these options are good ways to advance the gamestate in a way that gives us a game winning PoE. Just reread my legacy when I do flip, I'm very much confident in my reads on Falc/Nook.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:23 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:05 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:58 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:53 pm Falc, my gut told me while drunk to sheep Porscha as they had become a point of enlightenment that I'm surprised a religion hasn't been built on.

Now that I am aware, I'm no longer as enticed to join said Porscha devout following, but still think they are town.

See, that's the trick...religion isn't about enlightenment, that's a red herring.



Sheeping Porscha, eh? What was your favorite read of hers?

The push on me.

It's wrong, but I think it's wrong for the correct reasons. Porscha I think is really trying to solve the more important questions and the reactions I got referring to the suspicion on me my gut screams is towny.

Porscha's take on you is kinda bad, I think. The "you know you'll need to be flipped" is rough but I at least understand someone having this perspective because I know I'll need to be flipped.

Porscha's stance on Ruri I think is better than the stance on you.

I found it odd that she seemed locked jnto town not being able to solve the last Maf w/o my flip.


Like, why couldn't last RD lynch have hit Maf? Or this RD? It struck me as strange

I've never caught Porscha by watching them get stuck on a subject and sticking to it. I don't think that's a wolf tell and just kinda happens. I think the process for what gets them stuck on a subject is more important to reading that slot.

Should I stay on the Schiavetto wagon or should I move out and let it rand between them and DrWilgy? Also I'm scared the wolfteam could be NANOOK and pyxxy.

I'm trusting Mac on Neon and obscurity being town.

I guess Ruri gets to be kept alive for now.

Porscha I still believe to be town? I have never seen her wolf though.

I guess that leaves DrWilgy, falcon45ca, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, pyxxy and Schiavetto.

pyxxy would maybe look good in the world NANOOK is town and telling the truth about his role.

I really don't think it's Nook though.

Also the Pyxxy Jack stuff really seemed like a soft clear.

I have more time believing that maybe I'm wrong on Ruri or Obs, but not Pyxxy/Nook.

@MacDougall Give us some reads yo




Hold up, Imma get my Oujia board

Meh. Seanzie wanted DrWilgy dead. I dunno if I should fill his wish or NANOOK's.

Is 1-shot empowerer a claim wolf!Schiavetto would make up?

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:53 pm Meh. Seanzie wanted DrWilgy dead. I dunno if I should fill his wish or NANOOK's.

Who's Wilgys partner?


Are they on or off his wagon in your mind?

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:57 pm Is 1-shot empowerer a claim wolf!Schiavetto would make up?

Why did they claim?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:23 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:05 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:58 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:53 pm Falc, my gut told me while drunk to sheep Porscha as they had become a point of enlightenment that I'm surprised a religion hasn't been built on.

Now that I am aware, I'm no longer as enticed to join said Porscha devout following, but still think they are town.

See, that's the trick...religion isn't about enlightenment, that's a red herring.



Sheeping Porscha, eh? What was your favorite read of hers?

The push on me.

It's wrong, but I think it's wrong for the correct reasons. Porscha I think is really trying to solve the more important questions and the reactions I got referring to the suspicion on me my gut screams is towny.

Porscha's take on you is kinda bad, I think. The "you know you'll need to be flipped" is rough but I at least understand someone having this perspective because I know I'll need to be flipped.

Porscha's stance on Ruri I think is better than the stance on you.

I found it odd that she seemed locked jnto town not being able to solve the last Maf w/o my flip.


Like, why couldn't last RD lynch have hit Maf? Or this RD? It struck me as strange

what are you referring to here exactly? I never said that

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:00 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:23 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:05 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:58 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:53 pm Falc, my gut told me while drunk to sheep Porscha as they had become a point of enlightenment that I'm surprised a religion hasn't been built on.

Now that I am aware, I'm no longer as enticed to join said Porscha devout following, but still think they are town.

See, that's the trick...religion isn't about enlightenment, that's a red herring.



Sheeping Porscha, eh? What was your favorite read of hers?

The push on me.

It's wrong, but I think it's wrong for the correct reasons. Porscha I think is really trying to solve the more important questions and the reactions I got referring to the suspicion on me my gut screams is towny.

Porscha's take on you is kinda bad, I think. The "you know you'll need to be flipped" is rough but I at least understand someone having this perspective because I know I'll need to be flipped.

Porscha's stance on Ruri I think is better than the stance on you.

I found it odd that she seemed locked jnto town not being able to solve the last Maf w/o my flip.


Like, why couldn't last RD lynch have hit Maf? Or this RD? It struck me as strange

what are you referring to here exactly? I never said that

You didn't say that, it's what I gathered from what you'd said re: my flip being necessary for town win

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:25 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:08 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:00 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:58 pm

obscurity wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:56 pm I don't think Neon is mafia Wilgs

Ruri I go back and forth tinfoiling

I just don't find a team elsewhere. If Shia/Ruri? Maybe?

Idk Ruri without counter claim, plus the reaction to Nook gimmick.

Do you get towny vibes off Shia? Ruri?

Shia not really? Like, and this applies to Neon as well. They are players that state "I play game like X" and then it's damned if you do/damned if you don't from then out as the "I play game like X" can always be the arguable excuse.

I did get towny vibes from Ruri during nook gimmick, but they have since faded.

ou prefer to vote Neon over Schia, when Schia is the viable counterwagon to you, because....?

cuz wilgy is town

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:02 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:00 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:23 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:05 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:58 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:53 pm Falc, my gut told me while drunk to sheep Porscha as they had become a point of enlightenment that I'm surprised a religion hasn't been built on.

Now that I am aware, I'm no longer as enticed to join said Porscha devout following, but still think they are town.

See, that's the trick...religion isn't about enlightenment, that's a red herring.



Sheeping Porscha, eh? What was your favorite read of hers?

The push on me.

It's wrong, but I think it's wrong for the correct reasons. Porscha I think is really trying to solve the more important questions and the reactions I got referring to the suspicion on me my gut screams is towny.

Porscha's take on you is kinda bad, I think. The "you know you'll need to be flipped" is rough but I at least understand someone having this perspective because I know I'll need to be flipped.

Porscha's stance on Ruri I think is better than the stance on you.

I found it odd that she seemed locked jnto town not being able to solve the last Maf w/o my flip.


Like, why couldn't last RD lynch have hit Maf? Or this RD? It struck me as strange

what are you referring to here exactly? I never said that

You didn't say that, it's what I gathered from what you'd said re: my flip being necessary for town win

it was a tongue in cheek joke that i'm tinfoiling you and the comment I had responded to prodded me to reiterate that

I'm still stuck on the notes Schia took SOD2 meant to make him look towny and not a lot else

IRT claim, I'm not sure. Do wolves get help with ideas for claims?

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:03 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:02 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:00 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:23 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:05 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:58 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:53 pm Falc, my gut told me while drunk to sheep Porscha as they had become a point of enlightenment that I'm surprised a religion hasn't been built on.

Now that I am aware, I'm no longer as enticed to join said Porscha devout following, but still think they are town.

See, that's the trick...religion isn't about enlightenment, that's a red herring.



Sheeping Porscha, eh? What was your favorite read of hers?

The push on me.

It's wrong, but I think it's wrong for the correct reasons. Porscha I think is really trying to solve the more important questions and the reactions I got referring to the suspicion on me my gut screams is towny.

Porscha's take on you is kinda bad, I think. The "you know you'll need to be flipped" is rough but I at least understand someone having this perspective because I know I'll need to be flipped.

Porscha's stance on Ruri I think is better than the stance on you.

I found it odd that she seemed locked jnto town not being able to solve the last Maf w/o my flip.


Like, why couldn't last RD lynch have hit Maf? Or this RD? It struck me as strange

what are you referring to here exactly? I never said that

You didn't say that, it's what I gathered from what you'd said re: my flip being necessary for town win

it was a tongue in cheek joke that i'm tinfoiling you and the comment I had responded to prodded me to reiterate that

It better be, or you'll be hearing from my lawyers

I read the most recent page of Neons ISO, and it's gross

obscurity wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:03 pm I'm still stuck on the notes Schia took SOD2 meant to make him look towny and not a lot else

IRT claim, I'm not sure. Do wolves get help with ideas for claims?

Yeah, there's an online site you can go to, and for $9.95/month you'll receive fresh Mafia claim ideas daily

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:53 pm Meh. Seanzie wanted DrWilgy dead. I dunno if I should fill his wish or NANOOK's.

truly i tell you, we should continue to ignore flipped townies

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:07 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:53 pm Meh. Seanzie wanted DrWilgy dead. I dunno if I should fill his wish or NANOOK's.

truly i tell you, we should continue to ignore flipped townies

Why?

she's being sarcastic

I honestly don't think schia is wolf but maybe i'm getting snowed

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:08 pm

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:07 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:53 pm Meh. Seanzie wanted DrWilgy dead. I dunno if I should fill his wish or NANOOK's.

truly i tell you, we should continue to ignore flipped townies

Why?

are you shitting me?

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:09 pm she's being sarcastic

thought it was pretty clear yeah but i appreciate you saying it so that i did not have to

I mean I'm stuck on that because part of why I tinfoiled Anne was flipped townies... and that was what a lot of people on her wagon used

Like I do think it's reasonable to say not to ignore them though but also they should not be the only reason

The Neon wagon at this point feels like the worst possible thing and I hard veto that. I think Wilgy is town but the flip should 100% be in Wilgy/Schia. or we should've talked about that earlier I don't want Anne crap again

Unfortunately I can't be on much longer/following until like 10 minutes before flip because I have dinner but I'll be back then

obscurity wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:17 pm Like I do think it's reasonable to say not to ignore them though but also they should not be the only reason

The Neon wagon at this point feels like the worst possible thing and I hard veto that. I think Wilgy is town but the flip should 100% be in Wilgy/Schia. or we should've talked about that earlier I don't want Anne crap again

they're not the Only reason but when we have a dead villager that have advocated for a lim on a slot & said slot was tending to the presumed counterwagon to a flipped wolf & survived the following day phase's pretty contentious!! EOD because of a runaway 11th hour flashwagon on a player whose interactions with both flipped wolves seemed pretty plausibly villagery & then the uniTR who had said slot at the top of their POE before giving in to paranoia and abandoning the wagon gets killed the next day, like

sorry, i don't feel great ignoring that! and i definitely don't feel good about the Wilgy/Nook wagons flipping *again* after.... wilgy gets shitfaced and posts a bunch?