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Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:37 pm**

It's the end of the semester for me and I have a lot due tomorrow, so I really don't have much time for the game today.

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:37 pm**

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:24 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:24 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:19 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:16 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:13 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:12 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:11 pm

townies can act wolf-like and still be town, while wolf could act town-like and not be good
Mind blown

Seriously though, how does Abigail giving up only halfway through the day not make you want that slot gone ASAP?
pretty easy, why would a wolf throw the towel when there's still 3 of them?

Sometimes emotions explain behavior more accurately than logic does in a social game
well i feel like you are wolf who coasted for 2 days, and started playing once michelle who was carring yall, got the axe
Coasting and no posting are two completely different things
props to you for doing both

Hard to coast in a game you don't know exists tho

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:39 pm**

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:11 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:09 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:08 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:07 pm Instead of relying on smokescreens and misdirection, how about you actually play a real game of Mafia and explain why you're town and why your thought process on Michelle was genuine and not just an attempt to deepwolf?
I haven't been here long, I'm not dead set on anything. But your behavior is super wolfy and I want to lynch you for it
this is either reckless town or wolf pretending to be scum hunting and im leaning towards the latter
This forum is super conservative if asking someone to retroactively explain their thought process is considered reckless lol
townies can act wolf-like and still be town, while wolf could act town-like and not be good

And you’re saying ts account is being reckless and also solving? I’m confused about the distinction you’re forming.

It sounds like you think ts account is both being reckless/all over the place and appearing town by solving. Weird inquiry here

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:42 pm**

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:13 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:12 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:11 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:09 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:08 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:07 pm Instead of relying on smokescreens and misdirection, how about you actually play a real game of Mafia and explain why you're town and why your thought process on Michelle was genuine and not just an attempt to deepwolf?
I haven't been here long, I'm not dead set on anything. But your behavior is super wolfy and I want to lynch you for it
this is either reckless town or wolf pretending to be scum hunting and im leaning towards the latter
This forum is super conservative if asking someone to retroactively explain their thought process is considered reckless lol
townies can act wolf-like and still be town, while wolf could act town-like and not be good
Mind blown

Seriously though, how does Abigail giving up only halfway through the day not make you want that slot gone ASAP?
pretty easy, why would a wolf throw the towel when there's still 3 of them?

Yeah, I’m more on ts account’s side here. Drop you into scumleans.

I think abbi’s defense today has been like a flailing caught wolf that just needed to make something up for the strange behavior at end of day. I think abbi was counting on her magnetizing to Michelle to be a clearing action and I think nothing had made sense until that point.

And we KNOW it’s not a cop check, because Michelle would show as green anyway.

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:43 pm**

Kay kill me

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:43 pm**

See my flip

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:43 pm**

Sheep me

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:43 pm**

Deal?

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:44 pm**

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:43 pm See my flip

Can you just play the game normally instead of this passive aggressive crap please? Asking genuinely

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:46 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:15 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:06 pm Abigail or SVS is fine I suppose.

Haven't reviewed anything recently and my head hurts too much for quantifiable VCA.

I will ask why not Thunal. My immediate guess is to who the teammate was is them.
The way Thunal handled EoD2 was blatantly saving Michelle, which is bit clumsy if she’s wolf. I actually townread her more for the extremely confident push against the Michelle yeet.

I think my main hang up with thunal is in regards to her opinion of me- it’s felt so soft in recent phase. When people suspect me, I tend to get hyper focused on determining if they really mean it, and when I prodded her today on if she still suspects me because it’s felt waffly, the response was akin to ‘well, yeah, i do, you’ve been in my Poe’ but without an sort of follow up

I don't suspect you though? I'm not going to be totally sure or confident of my reads ever and certainly not after yesterday. You're not in my immediate PoE and I wouldn't vote you unless SVS flipped town or there was reason to significantly change my read on her.

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:46 pm**

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:27 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:26 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:50 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:24 pm Current reads list:

Town:
Lorab
Robyn
Cape
Wilgy

Light town:
ts account
DM (only slightly)

Light scum:
SVS
Thunal
Bereft

Scum:
Rondo
Abbi
you having lorab so high as town is kinda laughable to me tbh
I’ve come around to just thinking it makes no sense based on wagons for lorab to NOT be town.

Please expand on holes in my theory

Wait, what do you mean?

I’ve already previously explained.
My tinfoil theory where lorab was mafia was that she could have been the head honcho money dude, but thunal reminded me that Michelle did make a big push on lorab, and it would make no sense for her to push her partner who is more important.

It makes so much more sense for lorab to just be a town that was almost an easy mark in the counter wagon

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:47 pm**

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:14 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:06 pm Abigail or SVS is fine I suppose.

Haven't reviewed anything recently and my head hurts too much for quantifiable VCA.

I will ask why not Thunal. My immediate guess is to who the teammate was is them.
I haven't been impressed with thunal and would join their wagon barring them coming back and actually doing some work

Read my ISO. I haven't done a lot of work today because of irl but it's clear I've done a lot of work this game.

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:48 pm**

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:30 pm Also the night kills, long con, jjj

I can get the long con theory for maybe SVS. That kill really doesn’t reveal much about anyone else. But JJJ would be a thorn in most mafia side based on participation alone.

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:48 pm**

Yeah, Abi is just town.

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:48 pm**

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:47 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:14 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:06 pm Abigail or SVS is fine I suppose.

Haven't reviewed anything recently and my head hurts too much for quantifiable VCA.

I will ask why not Thunal. My immediate guess is to who the teammate was is them.
I haven't been impressed with thunal and would join their wagon barring them coming back and actually doing some work
Read my ISO. I haven't done a lot of work today because of irl but it's clear I've done a lot of work this game.

Sounds good, I'll check it out after work today. I don't mind giving a pass for irl business

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:49 pm**

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:43 pm Sheep me

Can you tell me why you townread SVS?

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:49 pm**

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:35 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:32 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:04 pm You know what fuck it

This isn't a role claim it's not info dumping I don't think it violates the rules of I get modkilled oh well

I didn't get a clarifying question about my role answered until EoD when I called Michelle scum
huh.
I literally asked twice or thrice about it starting at SoD and it didn't get answered till EoD

So you got something that won’t be revealed by your role, and is just something we’ll have to trust you on with blind faith since there’s no other thing to point to.

Is that right?

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:52 pm**

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:46 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:15 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:06 pm Abigail or SVS is fine I suppose.

Haven't reviewed anything recently and my head hurts too much for quantifiable VCA.

I will ask why not Thunal. My immediate guess is to who the teammate was is them.
The way Thunal handled EoD2 was blatantly saving Michelle, which is bit clumsy if she’s wolf. I actually townread her more for the extremely confident push against the Michelle yeet.

I think my main hang up with thunal is in regards to her opinion of me- it’s felt so soft in recent phase. When people suspect me, I tend to get hyper focused on determining if they really mean it, and when I prodded her today on if she still suspects me because it’s felt waffly, the response was akin to ‘well, yeah, i do, you’ve been in my Poe’ but without an sort of follow up
I don't suspect you though? I'm not going to be totally sure or confident of my reads ever and certainly not after yesterday. You're not in my immediate PoE and I wouldn't vote you unless SVS flipped town or there was reason to significantly change my read on her.

So if SVS town = Scotty bad? That’s not how that works

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:52 pm**

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:48 pm Yeah, Abi is just town.

why.

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:53 pm**

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:44 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:43 pm See my flip
Can you just play the game normally instead of this passive aggressive crap please? Asking genuinely

Can you fuck off and not tell me how to play mafia

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:54 pm**

I WANT Abbi to give tangible reads and not be a martyr for sake of being a martyr, but she’s not advancing her reads or doing solving.

I think she just knows she’s caught. I’m sorry

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:54 pm**

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:49 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:43 pm Sheep me
Can you tell me why you townread SVS?

Her town is frustrated towny 99% of the time

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:54 pm**

Also remember this holiday season that it’s just a game and remember to drink your egg nog, pet reindeer and be merry

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:55 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:42 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:13 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:12 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:11 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:09 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:08 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:07 pm Instead of relying on smokescreens and misdirection, how about you actually play a real game of Mafia and explain why you're town and why your thought process on Michelle was genuine and not just an attempt to deepwolf?
I haven't been here long, I'm not dead set on anything. But your behavior is super wolfy and I want to lynch you for it
this is either reckless town or wolf pretending to be scum hunting and im leaning towards the latter
This forum is super conservative if asking someone to retroactively explain their thought process is considered reckless lol
townies can act wolf-like and still be town, while wolf could act town-like and not be good
Mind blown

Seriously though, how does Abigail giving up only halfway through the day not make you want that slot gone ASAP?
pretty easy, why would a wolf throw the towel when there's still 3 of them?

Yeah, I’m more on ts account’s side here. Drop you into scumleans.

I think abbi’s defense today has been like a flailing caught wolf that just needed to make something up for the strange behavior at end of day. I think abbi was counting on her magnetizing to Michelle to be a clearing action and I think nothing had made sense until that point.

And we KNOW it’s not a cop check, because Michelle would show as green anyway.

I thought the opposite when I saw it. I've seen her want to die over a townread before and these sudden changes in energy and direction are pretty consistent with town her.

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:55 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:54 pm I WANT Abbi to give tangible reads and not be a martyr for sake of being a martyr, but she’s not advancing her reads or doing solving.

I think she just knows she’s caught. I’m sorry

I'm a martyr cause I've barely got the mental capability to give enough of a fuck to save myself so why bother when I always kill myself over my town reads anyways

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:58 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:54 pm I WANT Abbi to give tangible reads and not be a martyr for sake of being a martyr, but she’s not advancing her reads or doing solving.

I think she just knows she’s caught. I’m sorry

Why would she be a martyr as wolf anyway though? Unless she's teamed with SVS, which I doubt because of their interactions, wolf Abi would have a perfectly viable town wagon to push on instead of wanting to die over her.

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:58 pm**

If Princess A, dies and flips town, then big yikes to scotty and even bigger yikes if he is also town...

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:59 pm**

Scotty is better than TS here so

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:01 pm**

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:54 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:49 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:43 pm Sheep me
Can you tell me why you townread SVS?
Her town is frustrated towny 99% of the time

Maybe. I tend to see frustration or being demoralized as NAI and I didn't think her return post was bad, but it also didn't change that I think she's the person that fits best with Michelle from both ends.

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:03 pm**

It's one of those things where I think SVS fits as mafia more than anyone else but I'm not totally confident that she's mafia. I'd maybe give her 50-55% odds of flipping scum.

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:04 pm**

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:01 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:54 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:49 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:43 pm Sheep me
Can you tell me why you townread SVS?
Her town is frustrated towny 99% of the time
Maybe. I tend to see frustration or being demoralized as NAI and I didn't think her return post was bad, but it also didn't change that I think she's the person that fits best with Michelle from both ends.

She got scum read before she even got into the game she's been forced on to the back foot she displayed towny indignation and her tone is frustrated town not frustrated mafia

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:33 pm**

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:01 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:54 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:49 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:43 pm Sheep me
Can you tell me why you townread SVS?
Her town is frustrated towny 99% of the time
Maybe. I tend to see frustration or being demoralized as NAI and I didn't think her return post was bad, but it also didn't change that I think she's the person that fits best with Michelle from both ends.

I don't want to reward this kind of behavior in games I play
Being as uncooperative as they are does nobody any good

Some of their spew feels more like attempts to get me off their back than anything, which either alignment can do. Abigail behavior isn't indicative of town to me and the content I have seen from them is wolfy

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:39 pm**

I was warned that there might be an issue with the time ending on the poll. Just a glitch in the system when you set it for a specific time.

It ends tonight at 12 midnight GMT/ 7 PM for the east coast Americans. I don’t know everyone’s time zones to convert them all sorry! But you have a little less then 4 1/2 hours

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:41 pm**

ruh roh

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:41 pm**

anyway i'm veto'ing the abbie chop

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:42 pm**

and yes, i have veto powers and i could care less what anyone else thinks

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:42 pm**

svs or ts account

idc which

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:43 pm**

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:42 pm svs or ts account

idc which

My slot is p low risk high reward
[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:49 pm**

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:43 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:42 pm svs or ts account

idc which
My slot is p low risk high reward
[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

bro is this just outing?

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:51 pm**

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:49 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:43 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:42 pm svs or ts account

idc which
My slot is p low risk high reward
[VOTE: SVS] aubergine
bro is this just outing?

...no?
Keeping my slot alive* is low risk high reward

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:33 pm**

Current vote total w/ 3.5 hrs left:

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:33 pm**

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:42 pm svs or ts account

idc which

Might I interest you in

Bereft instead?

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:34 pm**

Nah, I don’t think I feel like voting SVS or ts account.

Especially with Bereft just sitting and waiting to poach the vote again

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:35 pm**

I'll be home for a bit while I ISO thunal, make a reads list of players I interacted with, then head back to school and probably not be around for a few hours

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:52 pm**

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:42 pm svs or ts account

idc which

co-signed

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:53 pm**

@ts account read on bereft?

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:58 pm**

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:53 pm @ts account read on bereft?

which one's that
is that the one I'm sheeping robin's read on? I'm probably doing that

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 5:05 pm**

I actually really like thunal's day 1 so far
the iso feature on this site isn't conducive to making a wallpost so I'll just summarize what I've read:

Thunal starts off with some quick n easy town leans, which is usually a good way for town to start off the game. It's easy enough for a wolf to fake, but the part I really liked was when they asked SVS about their read on Long Con and Scotty, the two town leans Thunal already has. This is a super organic train of thought for a genuinely solving towny to follow so I buy it for now
Thunal has also been consistently aware of every player's suspicion of them and asking them to elaborate. Don't know that I would particularly align it to either side, might just be their playstyle

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 5:12 pm**

hm don't love the turnaround on scotty though
that's just slightly off for reasons I can't place yet

worth noting that robyn apparently also had a townread on thunal by the same point, what's your current read of thunal robyn? (ugh typing robin with a y feels so wrong to me)

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2023 5:16 pm**

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:34 pm I don't think Scotty/Cape are teamed anymore btw, and even when I made the read I knew it was low probability. I just nailed a w/w pair from d1 distancing in my last town game so I got excited when I had the thought.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:20 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:03 pm @Thunal33, I had the same thought that Cape's quick flurry of anti-Scotty propaganda might be more about getting out of trouble than actually suspecting Scotty. However, he made some points I thought were legitimately compelling too.
I think subscribing to Thunal's logic is silly, like why would I not only feel the need to get pressure off myself but also bus at the same time? Like to me that's a pretty bad mafia play unless I was gonna play exactly like ilario or something from my mafia team of Severance that u hosted. But you also said you dont in like another post. Generally I am anti bus early on, like I would vaguely sus my maf partners verbally if they were sussing me and if the thread direction was really going that way, then i might succumb. Like I didnt have a good voting record in my recent scum game here.

I felt kinda strange about ur dynamic with me/Scotty and how hard you shifted into me all of the sudden being scum from your light town reads. Felt like you were building specifically scumreads off consensus
I think Cape straight up calling my logic silly is unpairing with Scotty. It's easier to be dismissive when you know it's wrong.

I would like this post to be genuine but I just can't accept it yet

like I can totally see a towny with this character arc but I just don't think thunal is that character yet
some more insight would be nice

I also struggle to reconcile the flipped perspective on scotty without any interaction with scotty themselves whatsoever. That's just ??? even if town, makes the slot way harder to solve
I will think on it tho

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