The Syndicate

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:11 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:10 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:08 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:06 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:03 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:01 pm I legitimately think Rej vanishing into thin air when under pressure is outing for him. His tone D1 with the attempt at being overly chill and the use of skeptical emojis to cast shade on attacks against him is congruent with his play in Space Invaders. The argument that he was saved EOD1 checks out.

Rej is scum and should be shot by a vigilante tonight.
What if we lynch him and watch how players react to the wagon?
I am ok with exeing Rej and vigging ChopChop.
Is there another vig?
idk but there's a bunch of potential vigs in the setup so I hope there's at least one. if chopchop doesn't get vigged tonight, we exe him tomorrow. if he's scum he's messenger scum so it's not like he's holding any important abilities.

Good point.

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:12 pm**

I don’t think I really want to engage with “you weren’t obvious town within 10 posts” reads

That’s a ridiculous standard to hold me, a notorious slow starter, to

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:12 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:59 pm Kza wolf here

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:13 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:12 pm I don’t think I really want to engage with “you weren’t obvious town within 10 posts” reads

That’s a ridiculous standard to hold me, a notorious slow starter, to

You weren't obvious town in your first 10 posts of Simple Arsonist either.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:13 pm**

Reading through Nanook I would say gth town tbh.

Maybe I've WIFOM'ed myself into it, but I don't think Nook just says this as scum:

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:06 pm I have like 60 posts over a day and a half that’s not much compared to what you’re used to seeing from me

When he could've used other reasons to defend himself.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:13 pm**

This entire mac experience you just had was from my shower and prior to that my poop hole.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:13 pm**

The advantage of exeing Rej and vigging Chop instead of the other way around is that if Rej is scum (which is likely) we get to force mafia to decide if they want to risk saving him again and potentially outing to save a LHF teammate, or just letting him die in which case we take that pelt to the bank. Making the mafia make difficult decisions is good. With Chop there's no decision they're all just going to pile on and it'll be a 15 vote wagon and we learn nothing.

If there's no vig then we're ~always going to go Chop and Rej the next two days and the order isn't super important. Also if Rej is holding an important scum role we get to stop him from using it tonight.

So it seems mech optimal to exe Rej first if we're confident he's scum.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:13 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:12 pm I don’t think I really want to engage with “you weren’t obvious town within 10 posts” reads

That’s a ridiculous standard to hold me, a notorious slow starter, toentirety

that isn't my read, and i find it scummy that you're characterizing it that way. i've had a concern about you that has lingered throughout the entirety of your game, and i'm contrasting that with how immediately obviously town you were in the last game we played together. my read is not: "nanook was not town in his first 10 posts, so he's scum"

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:13 pm**

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:13 pm Reading through Nanook I would say gth town tbh.

Maybe I've WIFOM'ed myself into it, but I don't think Nook just says this as scum:

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:06 pm I have like 60 posts over a day and a half that’s not much compared to what you’re used to seeing from me
When he could've used other reasons to defend himself.

Lol

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:14 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:13 pm The advantage of exeing Rej and vigging Chop instead of the other way around is that if Rej is scum (which is likely) we get to force mafia to decide if they want to risk saving him again and potentially outing to save a LHF teammate, or just letting him die in which case we take that pelt to the bank. Making the mafia make difficult decisions is good. With Chop there's no decision they're all just going to pile on and it'll be a 15 vote wagon and we learn nothing.

If there's no vig then we're ~always going to go Chop and Rej the next two days and the order isn't super important. Also if Rej is holding an important scum role we get to stop him from using it tonight.

So it seems mech optimal to exe Rej first if we're confident he's scum.

Lets go boss

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:14 pm**

If we are wrong and Rej flips town we probably get a huge amount of spew based off wagonomics around him and ChopChop dies anyway.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:15 pm**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:13 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:12 pm I don’t think I really want to engage with “you weren’t obvious town within 10 posts” reads

That’s a ridiculous standard to hold me, a notorious slow starter, toentirety
that isn't my read, and i find it scummy that you're characterizing it that way. i've had a concern about you that has lingered throughout the entirety of your game, and i'm contrasting that with how immediately obviously town you were in the last game we played together. my read is not: "nanook was not town in his first 10 posts, so he's scum"

You just fucking said it was part of your read

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:15 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:10 pm Daisy is a much better mafia player than you realise btw
Okay.

Let's say it's within her scum range then. Why is she scum here?

I refuse to commit to this read

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:15 pm**

I also feel like his fake outburst in GoC on like d1 demonstrates that he as scum likes to be more adamant or likes to put on a stronger show as to why he's (falsely) town to people. This post count reason? Kinda lame-ish.

But I don't have a whole lot of experience with scum Nanook.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:15 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:14 pm If we are wrong and Rej flips town we probably get a huge amount of spew based off wagonomics around him and ChopChop dies anyway.

Do we tho?

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:15 pm**

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:13 pm Reading through Nanook I would say gth town tbh.

Maybe I've WIFOM'ed myself into it, but I don't think Nook just says this as scum:

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:06 pm I have like 60 posts over a day and a half that’s not much compared to what you’re used to seeing from me
When he could've used other reasons to defend himself.

firmly within both his town and scum ranges.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:16 pm**

Chop seems like more of a sure thing to me but I think rej is a lot higher than rand mafia so

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:16 pm**

Hes mafia but I promised to town shield him so y'all gonna have kill me first!

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:16 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:13 pm The advantage of exeing Rej and vigging Chop instead of the other way around is that if Rej is scum (which is likely) we get to force mafia to decide if they want to risk saving him again and potentially outing to save a LHF teammate, or just letting him die in which case we take that pelt to the bank. Making the mafia make difficult decisions is good. With Chop there's no decision they're all just going to pile on and it'll be a 15 vote wagon and we learn nothing.

If there's no vig then we're ~always going to go Chop and Rej the next two days and the order isn't super important. Also if Rej is holding an important scum role we get to stop him from using it tonight.

So it seems mech optimal to exe Rej first if we're confident he's scum.

enclave can potentially have a doctor, fyi

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:16 pm**

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:15 pm I also feel like his fake outburst in GoC on like d1 demonstrates that he as scum likes to be more adamant or likes to put on a stronger show as to why he's (falsely) town to people. This post count reason? Kinda lame-ish.

But I don't have a whole lot of experience with scum Nanook.

Don’t talk about ongoing games

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:17 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:15 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:14 pm If we are wrong and Rej flips town we probably get a huge amount of spew based off wagonomics around him and ChopChop dies anyway.
Do we tho?

I think so. I'll cross that bridge if and when we get to it; I have no intention of outing what I find to be important spew and letting the mafia construct posts to manipulate it.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:17 pm**

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:16 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:13 pm The advantage of exeing Rej and vigging Chop instead of the other way around is that if Rej is scum (which is likely) we get to force mafia to decide if they want to risk saving him again and potentially outing to save a LHF teammate, or just letting him die in which case we take that pelt to the bank. Making the mafia make difficult decisions is good. With Chop there's no decision they're all just going to pile on and it'll be a 15 vote wagon and we learn nothing.

If there's no vig then we're ~always going to go Chop and Rej the next two days and the order isn't super important. Also if Rej is holding an important scum role we get to stop him from using it tonight.

So it seems mech optimal to exe Rej first if we're confident he's scum.
enclave can potentially have a doctor, fyi

hm.

that changes things

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:17 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:16 pm Hes mafia but I promised to town shield him so y'all gonna have kill me first!

Thanks bb

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:17 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:15 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:13 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:12 pm I don’t think I really want to engage with “you weren’t obvious town within 10 posts” reads

That’s a ridiculous standard to hold me, a notorious slow starter, toentirety
that isn't my read, and i find it scummy that you're characterizing it that way. i've had a concern about you that has lingered throughout the entirety of your game, and i'm contrasting that with how immediately obviously town you were in the last game we played together. my read is not: "nanook was not town in his first 10 posts, so he's scum"
You just fucking said it was part of your read

i feel like you're deliberately misunderstanding my point, so we should probably drop it if the conversation isnt gonna be productive

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:17 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:16 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:15 pm I also feel like his fake outburst in GoC on like d1 demonstrates that he as scum likes to be more adamant or likes to put on a stronger show as to why he's (falsely) town to people. This post count reason? Kinda lame-ish.

But I don't have a whole lot of experience with scum Nanook.
Don’t talk about ongoing games

Oh. Shoot.

I forgot it was still running.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:17 pm**

maybe we should go back to chop after all.

[VOTE: ChopChop] aubergine

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:18 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:17 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:16 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:13 pm The advantage of exeing Rej and vigging Chop instead of the other way around is that if Rej is scum (which is likely) we get to force mafia to decide if they want to risk saving him again and potentially outing to save a LHF teammate, or just letting him die in which case we take that pelt to the bank. Making the mafia make difficult decisions is good. With Chop there's no decision they're all just going to pile on and it'll be a 15 vote wagon and we learn nothing.

If there's no vig then we're ~always going to go Chop and Rej the next two days and the order isn't super important. Also if Rej is holding an important scum role we get to stop him from using it tonight.

So it seems mech optimal to exe Rej first if we're confident he's scum.
enclave can potentially have a doctor, fyi
hm.

that changes things

actually they're guaranteed to have a one-shot doctor

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:18 pm**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:17 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:15 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:13 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:12 pm I don’t think I really want to engage with “you weren’t obvious town within 10 posts” reads

That’s a ridiculous standard to hold me, a notorious slow starter, toentirety
that isn't my read, and i find it scummy that you're characterizing it that way. i've had a concern about you that has lingered throughout the entirety of your game, and i'm contrasting that with how immediately obviously town you were in the last game we played together. my read is not: "nanook was not town in his first 10 posts, so he's scum"
You just fucking said it was part of your read
i feel like you're deliberately misunderstanding my point, so we should probably drop it if the conversation isnt gonna be productive

And i feel like you’re throwing a bunch of unreasonable shit at me, so

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:18 pm**

Nanook, what are the alignments of SPF and Mac, the two people calling for your head?

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:18 pm**

still think rej is the better execute.
it's possible he is the enclave doctor after all

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:20 pm**

i have no issue with killing chopchop today. i am largely voting rej for the sake of science and vanity

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:21 pm**

can the doctor self protect?

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:22 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:18 pm Nanook, what are the alignments of SPF and Mac, the two people calling for your head?

No idea

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:22 pm**

I guess I could OMGUS but we’d all know my heart isn’t in it

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:23 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:21 pm can the doctor self protect?

no

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:23 pm**

DOOM is in the game. I forgot that DOOM was in the game.

This is a bad sign because in Bread Mafia she went super saiyan and made herself obvtown. And even when she was being scummy in Bread Mafia she wasn't the completely AWOL kind of scummy.

@DaughterOfOmega where are you?

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:25 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:23 pm DOOM is in the game. I forgot that DOOM was in the game.

This is a bad sign because in Bread Mafia she went super saiyan and made herself obvtown. And even when she was being scummy in Bread Mafia she wasn't the completely AWOL kind of scummy.

@DaughterOfOmega where are you?

she's basically claimed NCR

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:26 pm**

I kinda think she's lying

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:27 pm**

KZA wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:25 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:23 pm DOOM is in the game. I forgot that DOOM was in the game.

This is a bad sign because in Bread Mafia she went super saiyan and made herself obvtown. And even when she was being scummy in Bread Mafia she wasn't the completely AWOL kind of scummy.

@DaughterOfOmega where are you?
she's basically claimed NCR

I went through her ISO. I see the soft now. I didn't notice it before.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:28 pm**

Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:30 pm**

I think scum that try to go UTR don't usually claim power roles early on. If she attempts to back out of claiming NCR we exe her. If night results make it questionable that she's from NCR we exe her. Before that I am not too worried. DOOM also does not strike me as the sort of brash player that just slaps down a fat PR claim immediately as mafia, and it would be unusual for a scum team to instruct her to do that.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:30 pm**

perhaps im just gullible but i feel it is entirely possible that alison mac and sloonei are all town

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:31 pm**

I could see Rej going either way tbh but I kinda want to lean town in his ISO.

But I don't really see him surviving an FX, while I see better potential in ChopChop.

They're a good slot to resolve mechanically somehow though.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:31 pm**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:30 pm perhaps im just gullible but i feel it is entirely possible that alison mac and sloonei are all town

Why would you be gullible for believing this?

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:32 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:31 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:30 pm perhaps im just gullible but i feel it is entirely possible that alison mac and sloonei are all town
Why would you be gullible for believing this?

being paranoid about 3 players with big reps is fair imo I do it all the time

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:32 pm**

I have returned. I remain unconvinced that Mac is town.

I have been convinced that Martin is town though.
[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:33 pm**

I think Mac is town.

There is scum out there who saw me and Mac attacking each other early and drooled all over themselves envisioning the two heads of WIMbot getting into a TvT fight hammer and tongs. Who was trying to egg us on against each other?

This agenda seems incompatible with Sloonei's behavior so that looks good for him.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:33 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:31 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:30 pm perhaps im just gullible but i feel it is entirely possible that alison mac and sloonei are all town
Why would you be gullible for believing this?

i've perceived the thread consensus as: "the group of alison/sloonei/mac is not pure" for a while now

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:34 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:32 pm I have returned. I remain unconvinced that Mac is town.

I have been convinced that Martin is town though.
[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I wrote up a couple of posts explaining why I townread him. He's being productive now and his reads don't look bad to me. People have testified that there are plausible reasons to believe he would step back from mafia based on his past couple of games. What's your concern?

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:34 pm**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:33 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:31 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:30 pm perhaps im just gullible but i feel it is entirely possible that alison mac and sloonei are all town
Why would you be gullible for believing this?
i've perceived the thread consensus as: "the group of alison/sloonei/mac is not pure" for a while now

My perception of the thread consensus is that myself and Sloonei have been widely townread with a couple of tinfoils, and Mac has been widely suspected but became more trusted after he re-entered the thread.

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